The decade from 2013 to 2023 was something of a halcyon period for Dodge. Despite Ram trucks being spun off into its own separate entity, and the short-lived compact Dart, the brand was surprisingly successful. Under the leadership of Tim Kuniskis, the remaining core models, the Charger, Challenger, and to a lesser degree the Durango SUV established the brand as the home of American muscle, in large thanks to the supercharged Hellcat V8.
However, now, aside from a final run of supercharged Durangos with engines built more than a year ago, the Hellcat is dead and Dodge is about to launch into what it hopes will be the era of American e-Muscle starting with the 2024 Charger Daytona and now I’ve finally been able to drive it.
There’s definitely a group of people who will be upset about this car. The kind of Mopar-or-no-car enthusiasts with the word HEMI tattooed on their frontal lobe. The kind unwilling to accept that things change. This car, and this review, will probably make them mad. Let this be a trigger warning, then, because the era of e-Muscle is here and Dodge’s first attempt at making a muscle car out of an EV actually worked.
The Old Cars Were Great, Don’t Get Me Wrong
The now-retired LX platform Charger and Challenger (and Chrysler 300) were unquestionably aged. Major elements of it were borrowed from the Mercedes-Benz W210 E-Class from the mid-1990s. However, just being old didn’t make it bad.
In fact, while the Challenger/Charger weren’t on par handling-wise with the latest generations of sports cars, they had surprisingly good driving dynamics for what was basically a big muscle sedan/coupe. Nonetheless, by the early 2020s, it was clear this architecture could no longer be kept current with new emissions, fuel economy, and safety requirements.
In the wake of the PSA/Fiat Chrysler merger that spawned Stellantis, the decision was made to develop a series of four new platforms, three of which would be used for North American models: STLA Medium, STLA Large, and STLA Frame. The STLA Small platform would be reserved for most of the rest of the world. STLA Frame is obviously for body-on-frame trucks and SUVs like RAM and Wagoneer. STLA Medium and Large are unibody architectures.
All three are so-called multi-energy platforms, meaning they can be built as full-battery electric vehicles, internal combustion, or varying degrees of hybrid. In retrospect, given the somewhat erratic adoption curve for EVs, especially in North America where they have become unfortunately politicized, this turns out to have been a smart product planning move on Stellantis’ part.
GM went all in on electric-only architectures that don’t offer propulsion flexibility. Stellantis will now have the flexibility to build many of its new products with the propulsion systems that the market is demanding. This includes easily building different variants for different parts of the country. States like California, Washington, and even Florida that are adopting more EVs will get them, while regions like the Plains states can continue to burn fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
The first product to hit the market from the STLA Large platform is the 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona. Despite the fact that it’s already December, the first run of new Chargers will be sold as model year 2024 because that’s what they were certified as before some program delays pushed the launch from summer until the end of the year. The 2025 models will probably launch sometime in the spring.
Interestingly, despite its last several years on the market bringing the strongest sales during the Challenger’s run, Dodge has for now at least shelved that nameplate. The Charger name will now be used on both two and four-door models (more accurately three and five-door since these are all hatchbacks).
The Daytona suffix is the indicator that this is a battery-electric model. In mid-2025, Dodge will add variants powered by the 3.0-liter Hurricane inline-six cylinder engine that will be simply called Charger. At some point, there is also likely to be a hybrid or plug-in hybrid variant, but we have no idea what that will be called except that it probably won’t be 4Xe. At launch, there are two trim levels pulling up to the dragstrip Christmas tree, R/T and Scat Pack, and that’s what Dodge brought us to Phoenix to drive.
Let’s Take A Walk Around
Thankfully, the new Charger mostly eschews overtly retro design, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t show some classic DNA of the nameplate. Unlike the LX Chargers in their various incarnations over the past 15 years, the new car has some hints of the second-generation model from 1968-1970 in its shape. It is a clean, relatively modern design with a 3-box profile. As an EV, it doesn’t need a massive front air intake (although the coming Hurricane-powered version will probably have a notably different fascia) so it makes do with a smaller grille below the bumper to cool the battery and motors.
The Daytona name is in part a reference to the high-winged, long-nosed, 1970 NASCAR homologation special. Since that sort of look probably wouldn’t go over well in the mid-2020s, the new Charger has a hood that slopes down to the mid-point of the front fascia, for aerodynamics, but maintains the taller more aggressive look with what the designers have dubbed the R-Wing.
The R-Wing manages the airflow over the front of the car to balance lift/downforce without increasing drag. This slim panel connects the corners to give the nose a taller stance that vaguely echoes the 1968 model with a slot below for airflow over the hood. The Polestar 3 has a similar setup on its nose.
The most blatantly retro element of the new Charger is the return of the “Fratzog,” the three-pointed logo that was used on Dodge cars from the early-1960s until the early 1970s. When Kuniskis showed a shadowy teaser during the Stellantis EV day three and a half years ago, the backlit Fratzog was the only clearly visible element. While most people today probably won’t recognize it, fans of those original Dodge muscle cars certainly got the hint. The Fratzog sits on a vertical support pillar at the center of the R-Wing that echoes the vertical splitter of the 1969 model. It also appears in the center of the rear fascia, wheel centers, and assorted other locations.
At the rear, there is a full-width tail lamp cluster with the now traditional Dodge race track surround lighting. Despite the 3-box profile, the Charger is actually a liftback, with the rear glass and what would be the trunk lid lifting up as a single piece. If Dodge produces a police version of the new Charger, this setup will be appreciated because the modest trunk opening of the last Charger made it challenging for loading and accessing the gear that officers today carry in their vehicles.
Below the rear bumper is a comb-like row of slim vertical slats with the label Fratzonic across the top. This of course is the outlet for the much-discussed Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust, which we’ll return to later.
It’s not so noticeable in photos, but when you see the Charger Daytona in the real world, you quickly realize how large it is. At 206.6 inches long, it’s eight inches longer than the last Charger. The 79.8-inch width is 4.8 inches more than the old standard body version and 1.5 inches more than the wide-body, thus making all new Chargers a standard widebody. It’s still about 1.4 inches shorter than the 1968 model but three inches wider than the vintage variant. Despite all the extra girth, the new Charger loses about 1.6 cubic feet of people volume relative to the old sedan, mostly from a three-inch reduction in rear legroom, but there is nine cubic feet more than the Challenger.
With the rear seats up, there are 22.7 cubic feet of very usable cargo room compared to just 16.5 cubic feet in the old Charger. With the seats folded flat, 37.4 cubic feet are available. Civilians who like taking their vehicles to the drag strip or track will also appreciate this body configuration, because it’s possible to load a full set of extra wheels and tires in the back. Chargers equipped with the Plus pack will also have a modest frunk installed as well that’s big enough for a backpack or your charging cable.
Despite, the massive opening for the hatch, the overall structure of the Charger is substantially stiffer than before. The body-in-white without the battery installed is 23% stiffer than the prior generation and adding the battery boosts that improvement to 50%.
The first new Chargers to be delivered will be the two-door variants with the four-doors arriving in the coming months. The exterior dimensions are identical for both with common sheet metal for hood, roof, and fenders. Only the door aperture changes to accommodate shorter front doors and an extra pair for the rear.
The Driving Environment
Undoubtedly, the most modern visual aspect of the new Charger is the cockpit. While Jeep and Ram have gone a bit over the top with adding screens in recent years, the Charger is a bit more restrained with just two screens. All new Chargers get a 12.3-inch center touchscreen that is canted toward the driver. The base R/T models also get a 10-inch instrument cluster display that can be optioned up to a 16-inch unit. The Scat Pack gets the 16-inch driver display as standard fitment.
While many automakers have opted to go with column-mounted shifters on their newer EVs or in Tesla’s case, to just go with the touchscreen, Dodge is rocking it old school. The Charger has a modern take on the classic pistol grip shifter. Like most modern vehicles and all EVs, this is just an interface to an electronic switch since there is only one forward and reverse gear. Despite being electronic, the shifter is set up to work like a traditional mechanical unit, staying in each gear position rather than reverting back to a central position like many others. The future, high-performance–as if 0-60 in the mid-3 second range from 670-hp isn’t high performance!–Banshee powertrain is expected to have a multi-ratio transmission, but that version isn’t available yet.
Overall, the cabin of the Charger Daytona feels much more premium than the prior generation with lots of soft-touch materials, contrast stitching, and interesting moldings on the door panels that interact in interesting ways with the ambient lighting. Best of all, there is no piano black apart from the glossy bezels on the displays.
There are two types of front seats. The standard configuration is a two-piece seat back with an adjustable headrest. Base models get a mix of fabric and leatherette covering with Black or Demonic Red full leatherette optional on the R/T. Scat Pack buyers can also opt for a high-back seat with a fixed headrest in various combinations of suede and leatherette or full Nappa leather.
Both seat combinations proved to be comfortable in the 100 or so miles of on-road driving we did and supportive when running through the tight curves up South Mountain as well as the higher speed corners of the Radford Racing School track. A potentially surprising aspect to many potential buyers of the new Charger is the seating position. Since this is an electric car with the battery pack under the floor, the floor is actually a bit higher than the prior model so the hip point feels closer to what you will find in many modern crossovers. It’s certainly not Jeep Wrangler tall, but neither is it like sitting in a Viper or even a Mustang.
One of the biggest advantages of the extra size compared to both the old Charger, and especially the Challenger, is the rear seat. The front seats in the current coupe power forward and the doors are long enough for surprisingly easy access to the back seat. With the front seats back in position for someone at least six feet tall, my five-foot-ten-inch frame had multiple inches of knee room and headroom. Again, the seating position isn’t like sitting upright in a Wagoneer, but it’s not knees up either. Two adult couples could comfortably take a weekend road trip in the Charger Daytona with space in the back for their belongings.
From the driver’s seat, the steering wheel has both a flattened top and bottom section. It’s nothing like the yoke-like device you’ll find in a Tesla Cybertruck though, it’s large enough in diameter with a thick rim that is comfortable to hold and easy to twist when the roads get curvy. None of the cars we had access to had the smaller 10-inch instrument cluster display, but I can imagine that the full display would be easily visible within the top portion of the wheel. With the larger 16-inch display, the designers have thoughtfully laid out the information so that nothing is hidden behind the rim. Most information is inside of the rim with a few bits of ancillary data like ambient temperature visible in the corners of the display outside of the rim.
One slightly disappointing element of the interior is the strip of climate controls just below the center touchscreen. Like the latest Mustang and some other Ford models, these touch controls are on a single piece of somewhat cheap-feeling plastic that feels decidedly out of place. It’s not a deal breaker, but something to be aware of.
Let’s Climb The Mountain
The whole drive program was based at the Radford Racing School in Chandler Arizona. From its founding in 1968, until it went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2019, it was known as the Bob Bondurant School of High-Performance Driving. After being acquired, the name changed to Radford in 2021, but it continues with most of the same programs from before including racing, teen driving, security driving, and other classes.
The school was the first to create a purpose-built track for training and it was recently completely resurfaced. After a presentation from Dodge CEO Matt McAlear, chief engineer Audrey Moore and designers Scott Kruger and Ryan Nagode, it was finally our time to see if this machine was a worthy successor to the Hellcat.
Let me say first that there is a certain group of die-hard V8 Charger/Challenger fans that will never ever be convinced that electric anything is the way to go, no matter how many times they get their butts kicked at the drag strip. But the ugly truth is that those people actually comprise only a small minority of the people who actually bought Chargers and Challengers over the past decade.
Most of the cars sold by Dodge left the factory with Pentastar V6s. The Hellcats got the attention at Cars and Coffee, or when waking their neighbors early in the morning or late at night, but they weren’t the bulk of sales.
We headed out on the morning road drive in a Scat Pack with the Track package that starts at $73,190. It also had the glass roof and carbon and suede package that brought the total to $78,680. All 2024 Charger Daytonas have the same 250-kW electric drive modules (EDM) on both the front and rear axles. The EDM consists of a permanent magnet motor, reduction gear set and integrated power electronics module.
On the R/T, the EDMs are programmed to deliver 456 hp and 404 lb-ft of torque. A press of the Power Shot button the steering wheel delivers an extra 40 hp for up to 10 seconds. Opting for a Scat Pack gets the Direct Connection Stage 2 tune as standard (other tunes will be available as an option later) which delivers 630 hp and 627 lb-ft along with the extra 40-hp Power Shot. The front EDM also has a clutch to decouple it from the drive wheels while cruising for reduced drag and better efficiency.
Between the EDMs is a 100.5-kWh lithium-ion battery pack. The pack contains 13 modules filled with Samsung SDI nickel-manganese-cobalt prismatic cells. The R/T is EPA rated at 308 miles of range while the Scat Pack with a bit more weight and larger, stickier tires is rated for 241 miles. All of the current Charger Daytonas use a 400V electrical architecture, although the Banshee variant will be upgraded to 800V. According to Dodge engineers, when pre-conditioned, the battery will charge at up to 220-kW from a 350-kW DC charger and get from 20-80% charge in about 24 minutes. AC charging at up to 11-kW is supported that gets the battery from 5-80% in 6.8 hours.
We didn’t have the opportunity to do any charging during our time in Arizona, and the Radford School hasn’t yet installed DC fast chargers although they are planning to get some to support their new fleet of electric Chargers.
Instead, Dodge had Michigan startup Ion Dynamics bring out a few of its mobile charging units. These charging carts have a 104-kWh battery on board and can charge a car at up to 60-kW. They can be replenished from a standard 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet. The carts can be remotely driven around using a handheld controller or can operate autonomously in a facility like the Detroit Smart Parking lab where they are also being tested.
Pressing the start button causes the Fratzonic exhaust to emit a sound something like a turbine spooling up followed by a roar indicating the car is running. Unlike the Hyundai Ioniq 5N, the Fratzonic isn’t trying to emulate an existing engine, the sound is unique to this car, but it’s clearly meant to indicate that it means business.
At “idle” it settles down and one of the multiple tones that can be distinguished sounds like a pulse overlaid on the low-frequency rumble. Of course, the beauty of this is that it can be turned off entirely if you want to be a good neighbor and when track, drag, or drift mode is engaged, it gets much more rowdy. At some point, we fully expect Mopar and the aftermarket to offer alternative sound palettes as well.
We headed out with the drive mode set to Auto and using a mix of interstate and surface streets headed to South Mountain Park and Reserve. The new Charger features a multi-link front and integral link rear suspension architecture. The R/T has conventional monotube dampers while the Scat Pack we were driving has dual valve adaptive units. Base R/T models roll on 245/55ZR18 Nexen all-season rubber on alloy wheels with 255/45ZR20 Nexens included on the Plus or Blacktop packages.
With significantly more power and torque to transmit, the Scat Pack starts with equal-sized 305/35ZR20XLGoodyear Eagle Sport All-Season rubber at all four corners. When equipped with the Track Pack, the rear tires are expanded to 325/35ZR20 of the same all-season variety and those that really want to be able to extract the most from the Charger can upgrade to Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 tires of the same dimensions. The cars we used for road driving had all-season rubber while we shredded the summer tires on the track and drift pad. Those significantly wider and stickier tires are one of the key reasons the Scat Pack range takes such a hit.
While the roads in the Phoenix area are generally in pretty good shape, they weren’t completely devoid of imperfections such as expansion joints to deal with the mix of cold night desert air and extreme summer heat. I wouldn’t describe the Scat Pack as exactly supple, but the ride quality was surprisingly good, even when we got to South Mountain where the pavement quality was less consistent.
There was no harshness or thumping to speak of despite the Scat Pack’s 29% stiffer spring rates and this can likely be attributed to the adaptive dampers. At the end of the day when we drove an R/T with the conventional dampers back to the hotel, the ride quality was still very good overall, but those expansion joints definitely came through a bit more. It will be interesting to see how these two variants fare when we get them back on Michigan roads in the coming months.
As we entered the park, we made our way up a surprisingly twisty road up the mountain. With a curb weight of 5,698 lbs for the R/T and 5,767 for the Scat Pack, the Charger Daytona isn’t exactly svelte and tips the scales at nearly 1,200 lbs more than a Hellcat Charger. However, most of the excess mass is low in the structure in the form of that battery pack and the weight is distributed evenly front to rear compared to 57/43 distribution with the blown V8.
Combined with all-wheel-drive, the result is a surprisingly nimble feel that doesn’t come across as heavy as it actually is. On a curving mountain road with few straights of any significant length, the Charger Daytona is far more fun to drive than you would expect from something that weighs nearly three tons apart from two notable exceptions, the steering and width.
There is a variable ratio rack and pinion steering system that works well enough but even in Sport or Track mode doesn’t really provide any feedback about what is happening at the front wheels. As you press the buttons in the lower left quadrant of the steering wheel to switch from auto to sport to track, the effort increases a bit, but it still feels largely disconnected. I suppose since this is a muscle car and not a sports car, that’s probably appropriate, but it was slightly disappointing. The other concern was the sheer width of the Charger which took up much of the space on the mountain so we had to be particularly careful on all the blind curves to make sure to keep to our side of the double yellow line.
With all of that mass, there is a lot of kinetic energy to dissipate and the Charger has that handled. The R/T gets 354-mm front and 350-mm rear rotors with floating calipers. The Scat Pack, however, really comes ready to work with 410-mm rotors at both ends, six-piston Brembo calipers on the front, and four-piston units at the rear. Since it’s also electric, there’s plenty of opportunity for regenerative braking and paddles on the back of the steering wheel allow the driver to adjust the regen up and down. You might think that such large brakes are unnecessary with regen braking. But when the battery is fully charged, it has little or no capacity to absorb the energy recovered by regeneration so the friction brakes are needed to dissipate kinetic energy, especially on the track.
In the Uconnect 5 interface, there is also a setting to toggle creep mode on and off. For those that really want to emulate the old ICE feel, creep on and low regen feels like a conventional automatic transmission. With max regen and creep off, the car will come to a complete stop although the regen still isn’t quite as aggressive as some other EVs.
Throughout the drive, we played around with the sound settings. While it doesn’t sound like a Hellcat, the loudest sound is considerably more aggressive and fitting of a muscle car than what you’ll encounter in the Ioniq 5N or a Mach-E in unbridled mode.
Dodge has opted not to include the simulated shifting of the Hyundai and that is actually a bit of a shame. While the sound and shift emulation may sound like a gimmick (and it is), it’s actually a lot of fun to turn it on when driving on a back road. On the Charger or any of the other EVs, I’d leave it all off when just commuting though as it’s much more relaxing.
Hitting The Track
After lunch, we got to do some laps on the Radford school road course with Scat Pack cars on the summer performance tires. As on the mountain, this hefty beast feels surprisingly well balanced and the width is less of an issue although it could come into play when passing during a track day event. In order to optimize the capability, there is a race prep mode in the performance pages of the infotainment system that can used to bring the battery to its optimal operating temperature of about 65 degrees for maximum current flow. Depending on the starting point, race prep can take up to about 5 minutes.
We were just doing lead and follow with an instructor so it wasn’t an issue. When coming out of the final corner onto the pit straight, tapping the power shot button on the lower right quadrant of the wheel gives an extra 40-hp boost that could come in handy when racing although the standard 630-hp is plenty. As on the Ioniq 5N, the extra audio feedback from the Fratzonic exhaust is actually helpful in gauging where in the performance range the car is and it’s just plain fun.
Following our track time, I headed to the skid pad to try my hand at drifting. When selecting drift mode, the Charger decouples the front EDM and operates as a rear wheel drive car. Even with only half of the available power and torque, the instantaneous delivery of the electric motor and all of it at the rear axle, makes initiating a drift surprisingly easy, even with the Supercar tires. Maintaining the drift takes quite a bit more practice however as you try to figure out the correct amount of pedal modulation. Regardless, generating smoke and shredded rubber is a no-brainer.
While I didn’t make it to the drag strip, preferring to take some more laps of the road course, those that did, found the Charger Daytona quite capable. Thanks to the instant torque response that even a supercharged V8 can’t approach and the all-wheel-drive, the Charger Daytona is capable of much more consistent launches than its rear-wheel-drive predecessor. Timing slips I saw had elapsed times ranging from 11.4 to 11.7-seconds, very impressive and consistently quicker than a non-Demon Hellcat.
Driving the R/T after the Scat Pack was perhaps a mistake. With 456-hp plus the 40-hp power shot, it’s still a very quick car getting to 60-mph in 4.7 seconds. But it doesn’t feel quite as brutal off the line as its sibling. However, given that most previous Charger and Challenger buyers opted for the Pentastar V6, they will probably be more than satisfied with the new R/T. Opting for the R/T means getting the same size tires all around and no Track, Drift or Drag options in the driver mode settings. It’s still got the same purposeful looks and most onlookers will never notice the difference.
So what is the competitive set for the new Charger Daytona? That’s actually surprisingly difficult to define. Probably the most obvious candidates are the aforementioned Ioniq 5N, the Mach-E GT, and the Tesla Model S Plaid. The Plaid is in many ways a muscle car, not having the greatest handling, but exceptional acceleration capability. The Tesla can easily out-accelerate the Charger with a 2-second 0-60 compared to 3.3 for the Dodge. The Dodge is a lot sleeker-looking than the Hyundai or Ford.
An alternative perspective is to consider the Charger an alternative to crossover coupes like the BMW X6M or Porsche Cayenne coupe. It’s quite a bit more affordable than those Germans, offers more room inside, and has a unique character all its own.
The initially available Chargers aren’t exactly cheap with the R/T starting at $61,590 including delivery and the inaugural Scat Pack going for $75,185. At about $17,000 more than the 2023 Scat Pack Wide Body Charger, it might seem expensive and it is. However, it’s important to keep in mind that the new Scat Pack is actually quicker than the old Hellcat Red-eye that went for $95,000.
From the start of production, the battery modules used in the Charger Daytona will be coming from Samsung’s factory in Hungary so the car won’t be eligible for the federal tax credits, although customers who choose to lease will get the credit passed along. At some point in 2025, the first of two joint venture factories between Stellantis and Samsung in Indiana is due to begin producing cells. If the new administration in Washington doesn’t find a way to repeal the IRA in the next year, cars with those cells will become eligible for credits with a purchase.
Bottom Line
After spending a day with the new Dodge Charger Daytona, I feel like it absolutely does carry on the muscle car tradition into a new era. Despite its prodigious mass, the Scat Pack is the quickest accelerating Charger ever, matching the mightiest Vipers and only getting beat by the Challenger Demon models. While it lacks that subtle pulsing vibration of a big V8, the sound is kind of fun and it has way more utility than we ever could have expected from a car like this.
The problem for Dodge is that the purchase of a car like the Charger is never an entirely rational decision. While no one actually needs a car like the Charger Daytona, I believe there will be some who want it. There is absolutely a group of Hellcat V8 diehards that will go to their graves condemning this car and refuse to consider it no matter how many times they get beat at the drag strip.
But if potential muscle car drivers would just set aside their preconceived notions and head down to their local dealer and take one for a test drive, they might just find themselves lusting after this new breed of American e-Muscle and continuing that halcyon era.
The headline was right, I got mad (maybe not mad, but maybe just frustrated)… but not in the way the author thought. There really isn’t any proof the statement above is true.
The most successful EVs have been and continue to be ground-up designed as EVs with no compromises. Want to understand why this car is so huge? It wasn’t designed only to be an EV.
In addition to that… the best selling HYBRIDS were not designed to also be EVs.
So is it “smart product planning” by Stellantis to approach both EVs and Hybrids in ways that run counter to the way the most successful EV and hybrid manufacturers approach the challenge? Or did they cheap out and not commit to either program because they blew off developing new platforms for forever and really had no choice… which is not at all “smart product planning”?
It’s so huge more likely because of the EV design vs the hybrid. Sure you have to put an engine in the front for a hybrid but the battery, which is generally a flat, large, rectangular shape is what dictates the length and width of this vehicle.
I would disagree. EVs generally are a lot bigger on the inside compared to similar ICE powered cars, because so much of an ICE car’s size is required to manage the engine in a crash.
Do the rear seats fold flat and become level with the cargo floor?
I see that it might be time to hit up that decision tree.
Why? Do you want to be able to latch a tent on it and sleep in it?
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Asking for a friend.
those temperature control buttons are already greasy and tacky. knob is the solution
This might sell alright, but is very clearly a car, that for Stellantis, will likely only ever be sold in north america. I think where this car might shine is law enforcement fleet use. However, the price is a huge concern, and this is going to be sold alongside the hornet and the durango. Dodge does not have a very deep or wide product mix. While this seems like a good vehicle, I do not see this being the sales killer that the prior charger was.
I could see it going to Australia, and limited exports to Europe and the Middle East, but yeah, that’s about it. Though in fairness, that’s exactly the way it was with the old Charger.
Have to admit, I’m kinda impressed. Muscle cars are generally not my cup of tea, but this is very good looking. Also the interior (other than the steering wheel) is fairly good looking. The platform flexibility is also a great thing, but I have my doubts they’ll actually use it. One of these as a hybrid would be excellent, especially since it’s a hatchback. That said, it’s too big and too expensive.
This review inspired in me a glimmer of hope for Stellantis.
The decision to create new flexible platforms and to seemingly pull this one off well is impressive. (Not being an automotive engineer, perhaps I am too easily impressed.)
I found a lot of the styling elements very satisfying. Inside and out.
I really got a kick out of the startup sounds… It sounds like an edited-for-length clip of the Allison 250 in a Bell JetRanger spooling up. And without the scent of burned JetA.
This car is too big and way too wide for me. And also, too expensive.
But hopefully, things they learn from developing this product can trickle down to something more practical.
Good luck, Dodge!
I wanted one of these, I did. But it’s about 8 years too late to market and 2 years too late for me personally.
You call 2013-2023 halcyon days for Dodge . . . I call it stagnation and a slide into irrelevance.
Electricity is a fine way to propel a vehicle. That doesn’t mean all vehicles need to be electric. I think electric cars lack the soul of an ICE car. For many if not most drivers they care nada about soul. I would like to retain a few ICE cars for those who do.
Is it possible for a vehicle to have “soul” that does not involve excess heat, excess noise, harsh gear changes, torque steer, questionable reliability, compromised packaging, and/or low efficiency?
I’m curious myself. My carbureted beaters definitely had soul, and I still talk to my 20+ yo cars—mostly when I’m playing at the edge of traction. But, they start every time because I use Stabil & a battery tender as I don’t drive them daily, so while I can talk about the difference between the turbo awd and the torquey rwd, I really only see mechanical differences rather than personalities.
One must have character to have soul, so I would think it pretty unlikely for something without those faults to have soul. That said, there’s considerably more room for a car as appliance than a car as a thing of joy in America, so what does it really matter if an electric has soul or not?
As a van autist, I strongly prefer compromised packaging and questionable reliability.
No cars have a soul. That’s something that auto journalists made up when they couldn’t find any reason to fault a car (usually of Japanese origin). A car can have character, but that only comes from being driven and used and is completely agnostic of powertrain, body style, year, country, or drivetrain layout.
So I guess you’d agree that the NSX has no soul? Heh.
When NSXs were new, some reviewers were quite clear in their opinions that while they were very capable machines – they were also rather dull drives when compared to likes of Ferraris and such.
I seem to recall a phrase along the lines of “Your Grandmother could drive this.”
Only in the world of automotive journalism is a product considered better because it’s worse in every way.
Bingo.
Maybe cars don’t have a soul, but cars are designed and engineered by humans, and there are human ambitions behind every car. I think generally car models (not talking about individual cars with emotional values attached etc.) tend to be perceived as having soul when they are designed to fulfill some certain specialized duty without too many compromises. I tend also think that as many niche cars are made by smaller engineering teams the individual engineers impact on the end result is bigger than in volume models, which also adds to the soul.
And of course good looks have never hurt either.
206.6 inches long is an absolutely ridiculous length for a two door. That’s 10 inches longer than a Lucid Air, which itself is a very large vehicle.
You weren’t around in the 70’s were you?
For reference, the longest 2-door car I have ever driven is a 1967 Chrysler Newport Custom. Overall length: 219 inches, (18 ft, 3 in).
It’s worth noting however that the Newport’s wheelbase is only three inches longer than the Charger EV at 124 inches. If you do the math you’ll find that works out to nearly 8 FEET of overhang on the Newport, between the front and rear. Mostly the rear.
Speaking of which, Chrysler should pull a reverse Daimler Chrysler and turn this muscle car into a luxury car with rear wheel covers and call it the Newport or even the 300 Newport
The Buick 225 didn’t get its name from the engine displacement.
It’s almost 32 inches longer than my Volvo C40 EV. I would have preferred something a little smaller. (I was around in the 70s and know how big cars were; I don’t need something that large, that’s all.)
I find it strange and slightly suspicious that this review didn’t mention the massive throttle lag that the guys at Throttle House reported.
First, to the car: it looks really, really good from most angles except that side-on profile shot, which makes it look HUGE. The price made me double-take, but as a “halo” car to get people interested in the ICE version, it’s probably not a bad strategy. It won’t be my next car, but for the sake of all the people working at Stellantis in the US, I hope it sells.
Now, to the article: I have always appreciated The Autopian’s transparency, especially when covering junkets … but this piece doesn’t include the site’s usual disclaimer about the automaker paying for travel costs. Is that because Sam (who’s a great contributor) isn’t on staff? Just curious …
I have to say that I like it a lot and love the fact that it’s a hatchback.
The only thing I don’t like is the CCS charge port instead of NACS and the fact that it’s a Stellantis product which means the first 1-2 model years should be avoided.
Manufacturers sticking with CCS after signing on to NACS annoyed me at first, but honestly I get it. First, because a lot of these vehicles were designed before they adopted NACS. But second, there are a lot of CCS chargers out there now in places where there may not be NACS chargers. I know they make adapters to go from NACS chargers to CCS plugs, but I haven’t heard of anyone making the opposite. Just my 2 cents as someone who’s never even sat in an EV, let alone charged one.
Design-wise it’s significantly more upscale and cleaner than the old charger. I can appreciate the lift back functionality, but the proportions are just so weird to my eyes. Maybe it’s the super long wheelbase combined with the massive C-pillar in the side profile? But it’s got the appearance of being long as hell. The wheel arches look too tiny for it.
I think the bigger worry is… Who exactly is this going to sell to? It’s far too expensive for the outgoing charger’s demographic. A Dodge with muscle themes is not going to sell to trendy EV-adopter or Tesla types. It lacks real muscle pedigree without ICE, so Dodge/muscle fanboys aren’t interested (even the normal ones outside the hellcat-revving douchebags). It’s heavy as hell and handling isn’t anything to write home about, so it’s not going to appeal to regular enthusiasts who want more than acceleration – something so widely available in EVs anyway that it’s not unique to muscle cars any more.
Rather than singing the praises of the new Charger, this article seems to be making excuses for its shortcomings, or trying really hard to convince readers that it’s a “good” car. It also glazes over a lot of things like the massive weight and size, or the removal of the character and sensory experience that neutering the ICE brings, something that’s quite real to a lot of enthusiast buyers. EVs objectively lose a level of driver engagement compared to ICE, eg how its difficult to drift with less feedback from the motor or your ears. We are told to just accept that this is how things are now and it’s fine.
Of all the manufacturers making the transition to EV (whether forced to by regulations or trying to claim a market segment early), Dodge is gonna have a weird time. Cheapness and V8s, their biggest selling points, do not exactly fit into the limitations imposed by EVs. The new Charger honestly seems like a good effort if this is the road they’re choosing to go down, but it will be very interesting to see how this goes.
“It’s far too expensive for the outgoing charger’s demographic”
But it’s only $1000/month for 86 months on approved credit….
More like $1500/month for 86 months with their rates
Don’t forget about the negative equity getting rolled into the loan. The person will be at least 15k underwater as they go from one new thing to the next.
The guys hanging around the front desk of the stealership waiting for their next
victimup better watch out when their last sale pulls up to the door…“Maybe it’s the super long wheelbase combined with the massive C-pillar in the side profile…”
Although I’m no designer, the picture of the silver model (full side profile) in the article makes me think they should’ve added more window to the C Pillar. The way it widens as you go towards the rear of the car makes it look kinda…fat?
With the exception of that, I generally like the design of this new car. I’m still not paying what they’re asking, though.
I think I maybe know who will buy these: upper-middle class folks (engineers, middle management, etc) who have money for nice things, but appreciate “the economy, stupid” of driving an electric car. The sort of people who buy a loaded Model 3 or base Model S, not because of the political statement, but because they genuinely see it as a decent car for their needs. Add in to it that a lot of these people happen to be late Boomers / Gen X-ers who remember muscle cars and land yachts and the Dukes of Hazard, and the Dodge-styled shell becomes a strong selling point. In other words, it’s a car my dad might buy.
Id agree with that take for sure. Except the buyer will still have to trust dodge as a brand. My dad’s a boomer and won’t buy American. And not to mention the brand image mattering to some of those same folks who’d rather be in something “cool” (Tesla) or just perceive Dodge as a budget brand. Otherwise though, I do think you’ve picked out a specific segment! Still think it’s a bit narrow vs the huge demographic the current chargers appeal to
Well, it is a rather narrow band, but remember that that’s just the electric model. If Dodge doesn’t do anything horrific with the petrol version, then I don’t see why that wouldn’t appeal to the same people who bought V6 and some V8 Chargers and Challengers.
Great looking car, love the interior, and it sounds like a lot of fun.
After my 4XE experience however I don’t think I’d touch one, at least not for a few years.
Instead of crossovers NASCAR should race this in the electric series
I like it. This would be a good fit for my spouse. She likes sporty but ultimately practical sedans, and she’s a big muscle car/fastback styling person.
NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Seen a handful of these on M plates in person and they do look nice imo. Still no signs of the 4 door but maybe next year.
With that said, I still think Stellantis is thoroughly cooked.
Stellantis’ NA market has been struggling. But internationally they are doing just fine! They are still putting out a ton of practical and highly desired cars for regular folks from Peugeot/Citroen etc. that we just don’t think that much about over here!
Was waiting to start seeing some actual production models to understand why my head is struggling with the proportions, and yep….I still can’t wrap my head around why this looks so derpy to me.
Some angles look ok, but most just look like the proportions of the giant front to normalish sized rear are way off. And I think it is more of a combination of elements making me perceive it as such more than it actually being weirdly proportioned…
I’d like to see Adrian do a breakdown (if he has already, I missed it).
Also, anyone else see a bit of the late 90s Charger concept creeping in here? The rear in particular…
Do try to keep up darling:
https://www.theautopian.com/the-2024-dodge-charger-doesnt-quite-work-so-lets-fix-it/
Nexen tires huh? The car starts at $60k?
Yeah, lets put the same tires on it that you’d find on a clapped out 2009 Challenger bought at a buy here/pay here lot. More Tavares cost-cutting I guess huh?
Ah Nexen….the eternal answer to “got anything a bit cheaper than the Hankooks or Coopers?”
Don’t knock them until giving them a fair shake. I’m seriously considering Hankook or, gasp, Sailun tires as my next set. The EV specific tires from those brands are getting rave reviews so far.
For this kind of coin I’d take the three row non-sliding door, van not suv, Lucid Gravity. More range, faster, better looking inside and out IMO. Of course I might be a crowd of one.
I’m totally with you! Still not spending that much coin on anything though 🙂
This looks fun! I hope Dodge make it, great memories with my Challenger and Viper. I worry the nameplate is a drag on this thing’s marketing. I doubt X6M or Cayenne shoppers would even consider it.
I’m curious why this weighs 1,000 lbs. more than a Model S Plaid. The Charger is a few inches longer than the Model S, but they are otherwise similar and have nearly identical battery capacities. I understand batteries are heavy and EVs will weigh more than ICE vehicles, but I don’t understand how EVs with similar dimensions and performance differ so much in weight. Given the impact on range and performance, I’m surprised Dodge didn’t make an effort to add some lightness.
I otherwise like this vehicle. I would consider buying one (used) despite its bulk, but I’m genuinely curious why it is so much heavier than its competitors.
Well, the next BMW M5 is coming in at 5350lbs. So, the Charger is not much heavier than that car. And I think the Charger is much bigger.
I think it comes down to all the new safety standards required when you make a brand new model. Say some new regulation that came into force in 2022. Car released before 2022 do not need to meet those new standards… they can continue to be produced and sold without issue. But it you release a new model in 2024, it must meet those standards. Thus the increasing weight of new cars. The Model S benefits from being a old model here.
According to a Car and Driver article about the M5, the new hybrid drivetrain adds 882 lbs. Without that, it only be 200 or so lbs. heavier than the previous mode. The new M5 is also slightly larger than the older model, so that might explain some of the 200 extra lbs. that are not accounted for.
Also, don’t all vehicles of the same model year have to follow the same safety standards? If so, that can’t explain why a 2025 Charger EV outweighs a 2025 Plaid by 1,000 lbs.
Actually no, all cars do not follow the same safety/emission/etc standards. Cars must meet standards for the year the model is introduced. It is called a grandfather clause.
When rules change during the production run for a car, that older car does not have to be reengineered to meet those standards. The expectation is the next generation of the car will be built to the newest standards.
There are limits to how long a car can be grandfathered, but I believe it is usually at least 5 years and longer depending on the country.
Great write up on an interesting car. I wonder how successful they will be at convincing the demographic that bought the previous Challenger/Charger to go EV.
Why do they need to convince previous Challenger/Charger owners to go EV?
The Mustang Mach-E has been reasonably successful, yet based on available data most Mach-E buyers never previously owned a Mustang. The Charger EV is different enough from its ICE namesakes that it will appeal to a different subset of buyers. It doesn’t matter who buys it, as long as someone buys it.
I have hope for Stellantis, they have the right product at the wrong time, they are a little late to the EV party. The major issue I see is dealing with CDJR dealers, they have no clue fixing our Pacifica PHEV, I wonder how they are going to do with this.
The I6 should have been released at the same time, that’s where they are going to make money.
They expedited the release of the I6 and it’s right around the corner