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A Matter Of Condition: 1984 Pontiac 6000 vs 1996 Mazda Miata

Sbsd 8 27 2024
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Welcome back! Today we’re conducting a little thought experiment: Given the same purchase price, are you more interested in a super-clean example of a boring but competent car, or one of the greatest sports cars ever made in appalling condition?

This matchup is inspired by yesterday’s little economy cars. Of course the CRX won yesterday, in an absolute blowout. Nobody, including me, wants a Tercel when they can have a CRX for five hundred bucks less. I knew that going in, but how often do you find a clean Tercel of that era? I had to feature it, even though I knew it was going to lose big.

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But those two were in about the same condition. The CRX had more miles on it, but ran better, otherwise they were both pretty clean. This meant that most of you probably cast your votes based on the CRX being cooler and more fun.

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What would happen, I wondered, if they weren’t in the same condition? If the price is the same, what happens if a near-spotless example of an undesirable car goes up against a badly-abused and poorly-modified example of a desirable car? Would that change things? Just how bad does the “good” car have to be for you all to choose the “bad” car over it? We’re about to find out.

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1984 Pontiac 6000 LE – $3,000

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Engine/drivetrain: 2.8-liter overhead valve V6, three-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Cheyenne, WY

Odometer reading: 66,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great

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General Motors vehicles have often followed a pattern: the engineers come up with something brilliant, the accountants penny-pinch it half to death, the marketing people rush it into production, and then the engineers gradually undo all the damage done and fix the problems. The front-wheel-drive X-body was a mess when it first came out, but GM engineers learned from their mistakes, and the FWD A-body that followed turned out to be a pretty good car, and stayed in production for 14 years.

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This Pontiac 6000 is a fairly early car, lacking the refinements of later A-bodies. It still has a carburetor atop its 2.8 liter V6, and its transmission is just a simple TH125C three-speed. But it’s a nice low-mileage example that has had only two owners and has been well cared-for. The seller says it runs and drives “beautifully,” and recently took it on a road trip down Interstate 25 from Cheyenne to Denver. It’s not a long road trip, but it’s encouraging nonetheless.

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Inside, it’s an absolute time capsule. I can look at this photo and know exactly how this interior feels, sounds, and smells. I can hear the click of the turn signal stalk and feel the plastic rim of the steering wheel. A lot of you dislike GM cars from this era, I know, but to me this looks like home. This car also highlights what it was like to have a la carte options available; you’d never see a car equipped with a power seat but manual crank windows even ten years after this.

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It’s clean and shiny outside, and since Wyoming doesn’t use road salt, it’s probably clean underneath as well. I believe this may have been a fleet vehicle of some sort; I see what looks like a unit number in one photo.

1996 Mazda MX-5 Miata – $3,000

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Engine/drivetrain: Supercharged 1.8-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, RWD

Location: El Cajon, CA

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Odometer reading: 121,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives, but stalls at stoplights

Who doesn’t like a first-generation Miata? They’re cute, fun to drive, user-friendly, economical, and reliable. It’s no wonder enthusiasts say “Miata is always the answer.” I had one myself for many years, and only reluctantly sold it when I bought my MG and thought it was silly to have two small sports cars. Sadly, I sold mine back when they were cheap; these days, good Miatas are going up in price, as the rough ones age out or get modified to death.

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I’ll just come right out and say it: I do not consider this a good Miata, and I do think it has been modified very nearly to death. It has an aftermarket supercharger bolted to its 1.8 liter twin-cam engine, and while I’m sure it has increased the power output, it sounds like it has ruined the Miata’s easy-going nature. The seller says it idles rough and stalls at stoplights. There is probably some tuning that can be done to alleviate this, but honestly, I don’t think a little extra power is worth it.

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The questionable modifications continue inside: The airbags are gone, it has that ridiculous katana-handle shifter, and the characteristic “eyeball” vents in the dash have been removed and replaced by gauges related to the supercharger. At least the seats look like they’re in decent shape. The outside is, of course, a greatest hits of terrible ideas: lowered suspension, a hideous body kit, aftermarket wheels, and LED headlights with those halo thingies.

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The rear window is shot, and I bet the rest of the top isn’t far behind. Replacing a Miata top isn’t as difficult as some other convertibles, but it’s still a few hundred bucks and a day’s work to do it right. The fire extinguisher is probably a good idea, but the “roll bars” are probably useless. It’s just a sheetmetal shelf under that carpet, and if the bars have a flange at the bottom that simply bolts to it, as I suspect, then it offers negligible protection. A proper roll bar for a Miata attaches to the tub at the sides, along the seat belt towers, and actually stiffens the structure quite a bit. But this is not that.

I’m not being very impartial on this one, I realize, but if you’re a regular reader you probably already know which one of these I prefer. But I’m curious to hear what you all think. Can you make a compelling case for that Miata? Can you allow yourself to “settle” for the Pontiac instead? I’m honestly curious to see which way this one turns out.

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Eric W
Eric W
2 months ago

Miata takes up less space in the garage.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
2 months ago

Holy shit Mark I have to hand it to you – that might be the worst Miata I’ve ever seen in kind-of running condition. I can’t believe I had to vote for that Pontiac but the modifications to that Miata would result in an immediate jail sentence for the perp if I were king for a day.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago
Reply to  PresterJohn

Maybe it is just being surrounded by Miatas all the time, but it isn’t even the worst running Miata I have seen in the last week lol

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
2 months ago
Reply to  Turbotictac

Damn sounds like lots of people are going to jail in my king-for-a-day world…

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago
Reply to  PresterJohn

As they should. Straight to jail. I saw that Miata and said “Stock front bumper, yeet the side skirts onto FB marketplace, a cheap new top, throw the shift knob away, and a cheap maaco paint job and that car wouldn’t be so bad. Then all it needs is a set of airbags and some mechanical touchups and we are good to go. I bet I could have a respectable little supercharged NA Miata for less than 2k additional cash. Which for ~5k isn’t so bad in this market.

Stephen Bierce
Stephen Bierce
2 months ago

I had my Mum’s Cutlass Ciera and I liked it. But this Pontiac is better. MUCH better.

ColoradoFX4
ColoradoFX4
2 months ago

I’d ask some questions about the Pontiac’s history (for sale in WY but with newish CO plates?), but assuming the story makes sense I’ll take the 6000. Honestly, even if the story makes no sense at all I’m still staying away from that Miata.

Tim Simning
Tim Simning
2 months ago

My family owned a 6000 for 13 years. Same color, different wheels, no power seats or luggage rack. Good car. But for lack of garage space This one would be mine.

ReverendDC
ReverendDC
2 months ago

Who doesn’t like a Miata?

Me. I hate those things. Zero practicality, not fast, not particularly good looking, and tall person unfriendly. That Pontiac, on the other hand…although I’d MUCH prefer the fuel injected version of the 2.8, I have an unnatural love for that engine. 0-30 was extremely punchy. The car wrapped around it…I could take it or leave it…but still better than the Miata.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago
Reply to  ReverendDC

They are fairly practical for commuting, but definitely no family car. For very little money though they are decently quick.

MY LEG!
MY LEG!
2 months ago

Do I get a Blaupunkt in the 6000?

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
It's Pronounced Porch-ah
2 months ago

I picked the Pontiac because the brown interior made me smile and I already have a convertible. Unfortunately, the Mazda needs paint to look acceptable and some work before I would consider it safe/reliable. For $3k there are still some decent parts I am sure, and if the seller is willing to haggle that might be the perfect starting point for an off-road Miata.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
2 months ago

That Miata reminds me of dating in my teens & 20s.

So, in channeling my youth, I’m gonna ignore all the red flags and jump in with both feet on the car that clearly has a great many issues and will only cause me pain and heartache.
Hopefully it’s a good ride in between the disasters.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
2 months ago

That Miata has a substance abuse problem. No matter how much you want to save her she’s just going to snatch the cash from your wallet and leave you broken hearted.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago

Oh I also wanted to add that the roll bar is in fact functional. That is not your typical “style bar” and is instead a Hard Dog Deuce reminiscent of the old AC Cobras.. It mounts to the chassis at multiple points and also has backing plates for rigidity. It is a fully legitimate roll bar and will function as one in a rollover.

http://www.bethania-garage.com/deuce.htm

Chris Stevenson
Chris Stevenson
2 months ago

I’d daily that Pontiac around town.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago

Boy racer Miata vs Grandma’s old car?
Easy for me. Pontiac this time.

But I still want to bitch slap the turd who ruined the Miata.
Just because…

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago

I own two Miatas, and have enough spare parts to get several more on the road easily. There is nothing on that Miata I can’t tackle in my driveway so I will take that one, although I will be talking that price way down. Honestly even for parts if I could get it under 3k it is worth it. Most likely though they just threw a supercharger on with some sort of piggyback fuel/timing management so the fix should be easy enough. Worst case it needs an engine and I have about 4 of those laying around not counting the ones in my cars so that’s easy too.

William Eby
William Eby
2 months ago

My father let me have his Pontiac 6000 with the Iron Duke 4 in it, because I was in college, and my car died. The car had overheated once, and my dad had fixed it, probably the first time I saw a fix by him not work. It overheated again on the way back to my down (2 hour drive). I had to walk a few miles, so when you say Pontiac 6000, I still get a nervous tick in my eye.

But two things made me vote 6000, he MX5 is horrendous, and that brown interior is…somehow soothing. I… am drawn to it in a non-JD Vance sort of way. I want it.

Donovan King
Donovan King
2 months ago

I’m actually excited by the idea of the Pontiac and would probably pick that over a lot of different competitors.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 months ago
Reply to  Donovan King

Well, Pontiac’s slogan was “We Build Excitement.”

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 months ago

Satan: Mark! I will allow four of your vehicles to run trouble free for two months if you do me one…. small favor.
Mark: Well, I do have a lot of errands that require driving…
Satan: Make the Autopians reject a Miata!
Mark: No! Anything but that!
Satan: I’ll throw in a chrome bonnet strip for the MGB GT fishmouth grille and a metal brake master cylinder.
Mark: Say no more.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
2 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

Still didn’t work on me. Miata is still the answer

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
2 months ago

The only way Miata is the answer today is if the question is “How many terrible decisions can you fit in one package?”

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
2 months ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

My choice in partners over the years proves that there is no limit to the amount of terrible decisions that can fit in one package. Miata it is!

JDE
JDE
2 months ago

considering 3k is about winter beater money these days and that one is pretty immaculate. If I was in the market for said type of vehicle I think a non mucked with FWD luxobarge, even one 40 years old might be the better play than a clapped out, poorly done RWD convertible nightmare, that is too small for much anyway.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
2 months ago

I couldn’t even finish reading the Miata write up after seeing that shifter handle. And I really like the luggage rack on that back of that Pontiac, so that’s my pick.

Donovan King
Donovan King
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

The luggage rack was icing on the cake. I didn’t think I could vote Pontiac any faster, but then I saw that. Talk about a great accessory that you don’t see anymore.

Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green
2 months ago

The Goolie (that’s what we called them) is a time capsule of the 1980’s. It’s worth it for the history alone.

Also, you get to say “I’m taking the Goolie today…” That’s worth $3k, right?

Redfoxiii
Redfoxiii
2 months ago

Wow neither of these is how I would choose to spend $3,000.00

However, the Miata is a $6k – $7k car after all the work it needs. You’re buying a chassis – and that’s not the one I’d pick for a big project, personally.

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
2 months ago

The answer is always “Gawd!, Blech!, not the Miata today”. Give me the Pontiac. Not exciting but it’s probably a decent car for $3K. The Miata (or what’s left of it)? it’s just been ruined. As others have said, for the money it would take to undo the monstrosity, it would just be better to find another Miata.

Church
Church
2 months ago

I can fix her/him! Give me the Miata.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago

WOW power seats but crank windows. I’ve never seen a car with that combination.
On the other hand, I’ve seen ganked Miatas littering the roadside for decades. I’ll take the grandma car and let some dumb young punk tackle the myriad of tomfoolery on the “better” car.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago

I was an inspector for Pontiac way back then. And drove hundreds of the 6000 cars.
For a GM, they were a decent choice, everything considered.
Sometimes Grandma’s car is the better choice.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

But if you were going to dig up a mint A-body for recreational use today, wouldn’t you rather have the Olds or Buick with the proto-3800?

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago

A good question. Was basically a Pontiac guy.
As such am sure to have driven or rode in several examples of the Olds and Buick for certain. My mother in law, bless her heart was an Olds or Buick lady for 60+ years.

For me I always loved the faux euro interior on the Pontiac 6000, the handling was really sharp for what it was. GM even offered some upgrade stuff through GM Parts to make that work even better.
It just felt like the best handling FWD GM had to offer at that time.

But what really works for me was the interiors and especially the seats.
The fronts were especially comfy, and easy to fall asleep in on a road trip.
The rear area was better than standard to match the fronts.

Well, hell I remember thrashing hundreds of these and wanting one then.
As a single guy in early 20s. That’s how nice they were.

Even the four banger engine was pretty able to withstand abuse.
The six bangers were the best of course. With the fuel injection, it really helped a lot.

Wish this one was close to me.

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