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A Signifcant C-Pillar You Should Be Aware Of: Cold Start

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Ah, the C-pillar; of all the pillars we name with letters in the automotive world, the C-pillar is by far the thirdest. C-pillars, perhaps as a result of their location towards the rear of the car and the seeming freedom that offers, can find themselves growing to extraordinary sizes and taking on some strange shapes. Which is pretty much what occurred on the first-generation Datsun (or Nissan) Cherry 100A or late 120A. I mean, just look at that damn thing! It’s huge and majestic and unashamed and unbound!

This particular C-pillar only appeared on the coupé version of the Cherry, which was quite a striking design, largely because of this C-pillar, which, just in case you didn’t notice, was absolutely massive.

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I mean, is it even still a “pillar” at this point? It’s a whole wall.

It almost feels like Dick Teague’s famous sketch for the AMC Gremlin, drawn on an airline barf bag:

Cs C Pil Barfbag

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But then when I look at the Cherry, I realize Datsun’s designers took things way further than Dick Teague ever dreamed. Look at the proportions of it! It takes up at least a third of the car, with its vast, unbroken, painted surface.

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I bet visibility was pretty miserable.

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Cargo area seems to be pretty cavernous, and that rear window is just about horizontal, and is almost a glass roof more than a rear window.

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There was an X-1 variant as well that had a 1.2-liter engine and twin carbs that look like Hitatchi SU-style carbs, because they have those bottle-like dashpot things.

The Cherry coupé has a somewhat van-like quality to it, because of that vast, windowless side panel, and, really, it almost is a van. That’s a good-sized and relatively private cargo area back there, flanked by those twin pillars of C.

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Those are good taillights, too. That odd little air-exhaust-vent molding or maybe a scoop I’m not so sold on, though.

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Is this sort of strangely prescient of the Cybertruck? I mean, it kind of looks like that, with that bulky, angular ass. You could hide a truck bed in there, if you really wanted to.

Anyway, I really just wanted you to appreciate that huge C-pillar as much as I do, if possible. Because, damn.

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Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

I “C” what you mean…now I want a frozen Icee

Nick Fortes
Nick Fortes
1 month ago

I see in the x-ray view the rear axle shows separate shock and coil over. I always thought this was a relatively new phenomenon but here it is in the early 1970s.
Also: Cool.
https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/HERITAGE_COLLECTION/cherry_coupe_x1.html

Last edited 1 month ago by Nick Fortes
Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
1 month ago

Watermellon Datsun? Watermellon Datsun.

Viking Longcar
Viking Longcar
1 month ago

Datsun, or escape pod?

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

Dwarf breadvan.

John Gallup
John Gallup
1 month ago

As a former owner of, and long-haul commuter in, a B-210 wagon, I salute this forebear.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  John Gallup

It reminds me of the B210 a buddy owned in HS. Tough little thing, considering the shenanigans we got up to with 3 or 4 teenage boys in it.

Last edited 1 month ago by TOSSABL
Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
1 month ago

Oh my gawd Becky! Look at those c-pillars! They’re so huge!

JDS
JDS
1 month ago

I like C-pillars and I cannot lie. You other drivers can’t deny…

PlatinumZJ
PlatinumZJ
1 month ago

They’re just, like, out there.

Ottomadiq
Ottomadiq
1 month ago

Looking a little Celestiq-y

Spectre6000
Spectre6000
1 month ago

Visibility would be absolutely fine if the mirrors were adjusted properly. Plenty of rear window and the door windows go well behind the driver. I’m not even talking about the fender mirrors (never experienced them myself). THAT (how to adjust mirrors properly now that OEMs are using side view mirrors that are not capable of adjustable to angles that permit the task) is something worth writing an article about! Even 99% of the readership is almost certainly unaware of how it’s actually supposed to be done, despite how it even used to be spelled out in owners manuals back in the 50s! These days, drivers ed teaches it wrong (confirmed to me just two days ago by an youth), and I don’t think I’ve seen a car on the road aside from my own where I couldn’t see some dim face in a SIDE view mirror from BEHIND.

(This is a habit I proselytize at every opportunity, and a hill I will die on.)

Last edited 1 month ago by Spectre6000
Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

Back a 1974 F600 chipper truck and chipper up winding driveways for five years in your twenties and then you can rant. Also had that hood fly up on the highway, and safely got it over to the shoulder to close it.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

Soooo what is this mythical way of setting the rearview mirrors then?

Autonerdery
Autonerdery
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

I use this method, which is quite effective. To set the driver-side mirror, from the driver seat, lean over as far to the left as you can (up against the window, basically) and angle the mirror outward until you can just no longer see the side of your own car. To set the passenger side, lean to the right over the console and do the same.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago
Reply to  Autonerdery

Use the same process. Works great. Have to reset everytime my wife used the cars as she disagrees.

Viking Longcar
Viking Longcar
1 month ago
Reply to  Autonerdery

I thought everybody did this? It seems like the proper and logical way.

Then again, based on the quality of driving I see on the interstate…

Ian McClure
Ian McClure
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

There are articles with diagrams and stuff that can explain it better, but basically you angle them very far away from the car, so they properly show your blind spots instead of uselessly duplicating the view from your central windshield mirror.

Spectre6000
Spectre6000
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

See Autonerdery’s comment below. That is what used to be in owners’ manuals and taught in drivers’ ed before the triple rearview mirror technique snuck in. I’d add that you follow up by observing cars move across your mirrors as you pass/are passed on the left and right. You should see the cars (not enormous trucks or SUVs) go from your rear view mirror to your sideview mirrors to your periphery with some overlap. They never leave your sight.

Genewich
Genewich
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

Man, fender mirrors are the best. Tiny blind spots, don’t even have to turn your head to look, I just love them. If we ever get cameras in place of mirrors, I want my screens to be in the same spot in my field of view.

Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
1 month ago
Reply to  Genewich

I have never driven a car with fender mirrors. Kind of curious how they would be.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomas Metcalf

I really liked fender mirrors on my old-school Triumph TR3a, but mostly for the style.

I’ve also had several Spitfires, one had fender mirrors, all the others with mirrors on the door pillars. Due to a hood swap, I had both sets on one of my Spitfires for several months. The defects of fender mirrors became very much more apparent.

Fender mirrors are so much harder to adjust, and are much more sensitive to poor adjustment. They only work well on very small cars, because when they’re too far out there on the fender, the reflected images get really small. They view a bigger area, but the objects you see are so much smaller that you can easily miss pedestrians, bicycles, scooters and motorcycles. (Especially back when scooters and motorcycles didn’t run daytime headlights.)

With door frame mirrors, if your field of view is too small or at a poor angle like when you’re going around a corner, you can move your head around and see more much more easily. You can’t really do that as much with fender mirrors because the angle of reflection is so much smaller.

Fender mirrors also vibrate a whole lot more than door frame mirrors. Much like a motorcycle mirror, at certain RPM ranges, it was really difficult to see anything clearly in the mirrors.

But fender mirrors look really cool on some old British and Japanese cars. The only time I liked them better was on the track, when I was focused hard on the road ahead, but slow enough to be passed often. Even then, I wouldn’t say they were better because of the vibrations, and that they were worse to use in the corners.

Last edited 1 month ago by PaysOutAllNight
Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

While setting the mirrors well may be beneficial, not universally understood, and not universally done, having actual visibility is of great benefit. I’ve driven cars with good and poor visibility, vans, box trucks, and a jeep.

Being able to actually turn your head and see something is of great use, including when maneuvering at low speeds and in tight quarters, or where there is a lot of pedestrian activity. Pulling alongside a pillar in a tight underground garage I don’t want to rely only on mirrors. Hell, I’m watching out /for/ the mirror so I don’t damage it (been there once).

There’s a reason why very review of the Mazda 3 praises the car but condemns the rearward visibility. And I don’t think auto journalists don’t universally fail to adjust their mirrors properly.

Rapgomi
Rapgomi
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

You do you – But I personally hate not having the side of my car in the mirror for a spatial reference. I find it disorienting and it makes it impossible to know if the mirror has been bumped. If I need to see more in the mirror I can shift my head.

And no image in a mirror is as good as being able to turn look out the window.

Spectre6000
Spectre6000
1 month ago
Reply to  Rapgomi

Try it for a week. You’ll get used to it. It’s far more discomforting to have blindspots because you have three rear view mirrors and no side view mirrors.

Rapgomi
Rapgomi
1 month ago
Reply to  Spectre6000

I’ve tried it and I don’t like it. Even if the mirrors are not where you consider optimal, they still provide some side coverage, and I can lean forward if I want to see more of my blind spot in the mirror. And a side mirror where you can see the car for reference makes placing the car backing up much easier.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

And if we’re very quiet, and still, we can witness the miracle of morphology as the reborn coupe emerges from its crystallise.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

Chrysalis. The word you were looking for is chrysalis.

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
1 month ago

I mean, that C-pillar is big enough for an opera window!

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
1 month ago

You know what works really well in the summer in Tokyo? A car with a gigantic horizontal window.

The C pillar keeps prying eyes away from your blow up doll named “Erika”, while the heat keeps her inflated to full firmness.

Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
1 month ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

I prefer the term “vinyl partner”. Much more inclusive.

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomas Metcalf

Is that an Autopian membership level? I’d spring for the “Rich Corinthian Leather partner”

Elanosaurous
Elanosaurous
1 month ago

I love it! Reminds me of an Alpine A310, which was almost exactly contemporaneous but looks much more like an 80s car than a 70s car. And the white X-1 pictured with the rectangular “vents” going up to the roof looks like a budget Alfa Romeo Montreal , which came out 3 years earlier. This was definitely the era where Japanese manufacturers were quickly picking up on styling cues from American and European cars and incorporating them, before fully creating their own Japanese identity.

Interrobang‽
Interrobang‽
1 month ago

You just know that started life as a B-pillar in the original sketches before Engineering had to stick their stupid noses in and be like “Oh, we can’t make a window that long” and some nonsense about regulations or door length or some other malarkey. The designer grabbed a ruler and scribed the thinnest, straightest line he could right down the side of the car, and the b-wall became the c-wall. That designer went home that night and sobbed into a Lotus Europa S1 brochure.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago
Reply to  Interrobang‽

I can also see the opposite: the design started having a normal window filling most of that space and dividing it into two pillars. Then either someone in management or the crazy guy in design said, “why don’t we replace that last glass with a solid metal panel‽ It’ll look *so cool*!!! *Please* can we make a prototype????”

Laurence Rogers
Laurence Rogers
1 month ago

I’d call that a C-wall, that ain’t a mere pillar!

The taillights are near identical to those of an XT Falcon.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

The last time I saw pillars that large was on a hill in Athens!

Timbales
Timbales
1 month ago

More C Pillar than a Mazda 3 hatchback

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Is that the panel delivery version? (lame joke)

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

It’s the Nissan Cherry Pie Panel Delivery Coupe DeLuxe.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 month ago

I’ve always felt–probably not any brilliant insight–that the C-pillar can make or break any design. It’s where the beltline and roofline meet, and the rear wheel arch is just below. It all has to be just right.

This C-pillar is…something else. It creates a kind of junk drawer for fussy details. The prominent badging, the vent thingy, the crease along the bottom, and then the graphics on the X-1, which appear to go through the badging.

I read somewhere that JDM designs, at least historically, tended to focus on details more than the overall shape and proportions. This was because cars in Japan are typically seen in a fragmentary way through dense traffic. Maybe this is an example.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
1 month ago

Back in my day we didn’t have no “blind spot monitoring”! If another car was there when you turned in or changed lanes, you got smacked and that was that! We pounded out the dents with our bare hands! Insurance? What’s that? The cash stuffed under our mattresses was our insurance! If we ran out we went broke and ate whatever we could find on the side of the road! That’s the way it was and we liked it!
#grumpyoldman
#davidwontgetthispopculturereferenceeither

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 month ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

And we had onions tied to our belts, because it was the style at the time.

Data
Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

By God we loved it!

I read this in Dana Carvey’s grumpy old man voice.

El Chubbacabra
El Chubbacabra
1 month ago

Fun fact about the taillights: they were a common mod in the kaido racer scene.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

You’d think a cherry would never need a C section, but the Datsun Cherry does.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago

Imagine how many sausages and cases of beer you could fit in that thing…

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

My Winter Car reference?

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

Yah got it. Teimo would be proud!

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

“Tay-mo, my man!”
🙂

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

No – but Bento Boxes and large bottles of Sapporo?
Hai!

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I liked Kirin Ichiban better than Sapporo when I could buy it out of a vending machine for ¥100.
And, if you ever go to Japan, keep in mind that benjo is bathroom, while bento is lunch. One can lead to the other, but, being directed to the lunch counter while under considerable internal pressure is not fun

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

I lived in Japan from 90-92 – Drove a 1980 Honda Prelude XE 5 speed.
And honestly – I prefer Kirin Ichiban and Asahi Superdry to Sapporo…
…but this is Autopian, and there’s been no Plymouth Ichiban or Superdry – So here we are 😉

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

We lived in Kyoto twice while I was in grade school, then Nagasaki from 77-80. I cherish the memories.

not exactly unrelated, I jumped at the chance to buy a Sapporo around ‘98. Wish now I’d kept it, but parts were getting thin on the ground by then, and someone needed it more than I wanted to work on it, so it left within a year.

Anders
Anders
1 month ago

At what point does a fat C-pillar turn a car into a panel van?

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Anders

Marketing and swinging rear doors.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
1 month ago

That C-pillar is almost as huge as an original Lotus Europa B-pillar.

AssMatt
AssMatt
1 month ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

This is the correct first comment.

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