Iaorana, Autopians! I have returned, more or less rested, and only a little sunburned, to once more guide you through the weird waters of the cheap used car market. I want to say a heartfelt mauruuru to Griffin and David for keeping the lights on while I was away. And with that, I have exhausted the two words of Tahitian I managed to learn, so let’s get back to cars, shall we?
Yesterday, Griffin showed you some sort of plastic sporty thingamajiggies. I don’t know; they’re popular with retirees, or something. They kinda look the same to me, but he seemed awfully excited about them. The poll as of this moment only shows 43 votes; can that be right? It seems that you all don’t share Griffin’s enthusiasm for America’s Sports Car.


Seriously, though, if you want a Corvette to actually drive, and don’t want to spend a fortune on it, it seems to me you want a C5. Yeah, they’re bland-looking, but they’re good performers without being all “grr” about it. But like some of you mentioned in the comments, just look for a regular C5 for half the price of this one, and don’t worry about the Z06 package.
Now then: We told people we were going to Tahiti, but that’s not quite accurate. Tahiti is the biggest island in French Polynesia, and it’s the one with the international airport, so you kinda have to go there to get to any other island. But we actually spent most of our time on the next island over, Moorea, a half-hour ferry ride away. Moorea has one good paved road, circling the entire coast, and that’s pretty much it. There are one or two roads that lead to the interior, but they get unsuitable for normal cars pretty quickly.
The ring road is about 80 kilometers long, one lane each direction, and definitely puts the “French” in French Polynesia. The road signs are standard round European signs, and the bulk of the cars I saw were little Renault and Peugeot hatchbacks. Most were newer models, like our rented Peugeot 208, but I did see quite a few old survivors still making the rounds. So today, in honor of these island runabouts, we’re going to look at two delightful little French cars.
1972 CitroĂ«n Ami 8 Break – $13,695

Engine/drivetrain: 602 CC air-cooled overhead valve flat 2, four-speed manual, FWD
Location: Medford, OR
Odometer reading: unknown
Operational status: Runs and drives, but has a few quirks
Right after World War II, there was a proliferation of cheap and cheerful cars in Europe. Folks needed to get around, but there wasn’t much in terms of resources to make them, or purchasing power to buy them, so they had to be small, cheap, and simple. Volkswagen’s Beetle was the most successful, but the Fiat 500 and CitroĂ«n 2CV sold like hotcakes, too. But as time went on and Europe’s economy started moving again, it became clear there was a market for larger or fancier cars, but still not much money to develop them. The old platforms would just have to be stretched a little further. Thus, the Beetle begat the Type 3 and 4, the Fiat 500 begat the 600 range, and the 2CV begat this car, the Ami.

Mechanically, it’s about the same as a 2CV: same air-cooled flat-twin driving the front wheels, same interconnected leading/trailing arm suspension that makes bumps magically disappear, same oh-no-it’s-gonna-scrape-the-door-handles cornering attitude. It’s just a little bigger and more substantial car, though that’s not saying much; the 2CV is about as wispy as cotton candy. In the Ami, the engine displaces 602 cubic centimeters and puts out a whopping 32 horsepower. The seller wrote a whole novel about this car in the ad, and I had to read the whole thing to ascertain its mechanical condition. It runs and drives, after some work to undo damage done by a previous owner, but still leaks a little oil from a stripped drain plug, and third gear no longer has a synchronizer. The seller says it’s just a matter of practice to shift it well.

Inside, it’s all good old-fashioned CitroĂ«n weirdness: your interface with the car consists of a single-spoke steering wheel and that same umbrella-handle gear shift that I’m dying to try some day. The interior is in good condition, but it ought to be; it’s not much more than some black vinyl stretched over everything. The front seats are not original, but they do look comfy.

This is the “Break,” or wagon, form of the Ami, and I’m not sure a car is capable of looking more French than this. But not in a “look down its nose and flick a Gitanes butt at you” way, more of a “stylish girl carrying a picnic basket with a baguette sticking out” sort of way. It’s friendly, a little gawky maybe, but appealing. And completely rust-free, according to the seller. Can’t say that about every fifty-three-year-old car.
1995 Renault Twingo – $4,000 CAD
Engine/drivetrain: 1.2-liter overhead valve inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Odometer reading: 85,000 kilometers
Operational status: Runs and drives well, former daily driver
Here is a car that, in these circles, probably needs no introduction. Renault’s delightful Twingo economy car has been an icon ever since it came out, at least among those of us who pay attention to small economy cars we are geographically prohibited from buying. And now that the Twingo has aged into import eligibility, the dream can finally be a reality. This Twingo is for sale in that magical land to the north, where they can import cars a full ten years younger than we can down here in the US. As such, this car has been owned by the same lucky enthusiast since 2013, and was daily-driven for several years.

Behind the Twingo’s charming smile is an absolute dinosaur of an engine: Renault’s “Cleon” overhead valve inline four, which dates all the way back to the early 1960s. This one is fuel injected, and oriented east-west instead of north-south like it was in the Renaults of old. It’s a simple engine, but if it was good enough for the Alpine A110 and Renault 8 Gordini, I imagine it’ll do fine here. And judging by the condition of some of the Twingos I saw in Tahiti, these are tough little cars. The seller says it runs great, and they’ve taken to driving it daily again just to make sure it’s ready to go.

The Twingo’s interior was pretty stylish in the ’90s, but it’s a bit dated-looking now. I do like that upholstery, though. The carpet is a little grubby, but it’s in good shape otherwise. And while you might think of small economy cars as being “poverty-spec,” you’ll be pleasantly surprised that the Twingo has power windows, power locks, and the all-important air conditioning. And one thing the Twingo was praised for when it was new was its interior space; it’s a small car, but you can actually fold all the seats flat and sleep in it. Or, you know, not sleep. Oh la la.

But it’s that charming face that we all fell in love with, a face that’s instantly recognizable coming down the road at you. Twingos came in a bunch of good colors; this one is a little more subdued, but you don’t see many purple cars. The seller says the previous owner painted the bumpers silver, and now the paint is flaking off here and there. It’s fine; it looks a hell of a lot better than some of them I saw last week.
French cars got a bad reputation in the US, and I’m not sure why. In other parts of the world, they’re known for toughness and reliability; look at the Peugeot wagons and pickups trundling around Africa with a bazillion miles and no window glass, running on pure spite. And after seeing them in action, as well as driving one myself, last week, I have a newfound appreciation for little French cars. Besides, lots of other cars look alike, but nothing looks quite like these. Which one has stolen your heart?
That Ami 8 is a poem.
Twingo because K-swap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ilquKJVXR8
After Driving a Twingo in France, back in ’97 or so, it was pretty OK to drive.
Cheaper car because I want neither car.
I went with the Twingo simply because it is less money. While I appreciate the quirkiness of French cars, I don’t desire to own one, so more money for a car I don’t want loses to less money for a car I don’t want. If they were both the same price I’d vote for the Ami 8, but it isn’t, so I didn’t.
I have a longstanding dream of importing my own Twingo and EV converting it. I don’t think I’d do that to something that’s in good enough mechanical shape to daily, though.
Plus, the EV conversion means sending it to 2CV Club Cassis, so the car has to be in France already.
I dunno, maybe I’m not weird enough, but neither really has much appeal to me. Twingo, because AC.
The Twingo wins by default.
The Ami seems like someone trying to unload a bad project car with hidden issues in addition to the ones already disclosed.
Pourquoi pas les deux?
Of course that’s not an option, and even if it were I couldn’t afford both, or even the Ami on its own. But if I had a job and this a reason to drive, I could afford the Renault, since “$”4.000 {French car, so French decimal notation) is something like a couple hundred bucks, and I guess I can spare that from the 401(k}. It would serve as a fine voiture quotidienne here (although truthfully the lack of local terrain and any desire to go anywhere not strictly necessary and within 30 miles means the Ami would as well, but the absence of any SdC would make it unpleasant for three hot ‘n’ humid months), so Hello Twingo! it is.
It’s all right there in the names. The Twingo has “go”; the Ami sounds like a sigh of regret – Ah me. Renault for the go today.
I’ve owned, and killed, both a Ami 8 and an Ami Super, though both of the Fastback style. A riot to (try) and drive fast.
I would love to have another go, but the tinfoil nature of their bodywork makes me yearn for a crumple zone that doesn’t feature my body as a stressed member.
Twingo it is then, despite the memories, which include an engine swap without assistance or a hoist.
I’m gonna dodge the tariffs and pick the one for sale in Canada. Twingo for the Wingo.
The Twingo is obviously the better choice at the better price, but the heart wants what the heart wants. That Ami is so beckoning in a delightful way.
If that Twingo doesn’t win I will eat a Xtronic CVT belt
I’ll proctor the event.
Do I need a ticket to attend?
Entry is free, but there is a price to be paid on your psyche.
Proctologist is only needed in the end.
I’d rather pay too much for something that isn’t practical to drive on the interstate, than not that much for something I do not want.
I had never seen a Ciroen Ami 8 before, and it may be the ugliest thing I have ever seen! Love it!
A wagon is next on my list to get for my collection, I always thought it would be a big American wagon with wood grain stickers on the side, I need to re-think my life now.
If you find it ugly in the wagon form, check the regular form 🙂
Check out an Ami 6 Berline, those are really funky.
A Citroen from 1972 would look great next to my ’72 Super Beetle. So that one, please.
The Ami reminds me of when I was a kid, I’d walk down to our town library and one-by-one check out their collection of World Cars books, published by the Automobile Club of Italy. The late 60s and early 70s – before “global cars” were a thing – was an interesting time as a car enthusiast. Poring over those books and seeing what the rest of world had (or had to deal with) was fascinating.
That being said, I’ll take the Twingo. It’s much cheaper, a bit more contemporary, and at one point I randomly ended up with a diecast of one from work that I have in a box somewhere.
Another way of looking at this is that for ~$17k you can have the perfect two-car solution.
This is possibly the worst two-car solution I’ve ever seen.
So go buy a Rav-4 and a Camry then, casual.
That’s a far more useful choice!
The Ami is one of my bucket list cars, along with a Renault 4. That isn’t a bad price, and I am genuinely interested. The Twingo seems to be a good deal and reminds me of the weeks in college I spent in France with a group of French folks my age drinking wine in ruined castles.
I think I will take both.
I’d take the 4 over the Ami. There are more interesting Citroens out there.
There are so many interesting Citroens! I like the Ami for its pure oddball nature but would rather daily a Renault 4. If I can find either at a decent price locally, it will become my daily summer driver.
The Twingo, but only because it’s not as completely, totally, absolutely ridiculous looking as whatever that other thing is.
I think you’re buying one of these for very different reasons. You buy the Twingo because you want a silly fun car you can probably daily, you’re buying the Ami because you need attention. They are terrible to drive, absolute dogs. Don’t get me wrong, they’r adorable and they look fun and practical, but if you’ve ever driven a full sized French car with only two cyliders, you know exactly what I mean:
“Hey, what’s the 0-60 time?”
“Maybe!”
I would take the Twingo in a heartbeat though, because it’s a great little car, they are actually pretty fun to drive, and surprisingly reliable. I would definitely swap the seats out though, I can almost smell those from here. 90’s fabric seats were awesome for a while, but they hold on to everything that’s ever happened in them and I can’t imagine there’s much Fabreeze could do to combat 30 years of gross
Either car probably goes round corners better than 99% of US cars.
Probably? The Twingo I’m sure, because they’re a joy to drive as fast as they’ll go, but I can’t really remember the Ami being capable enough to take around a corner in any way that you could describe as ‘engaging’. Bouncy is more like it.
I don’t really have a lot of experience with American cars, other than the Explorer my brother left us when he moved to Oz. It’s been a joy to work on since it’s big and every part is dirt cheap and simple to fit parts on to. It has a supringly tight turning radius for a larger car, but it’s not exactly great like a small hatchback/wagon would be
I am all over the twingo on this one. It’s dirt cheap, and while I agree the Ami is adorable, it’s not something I would actually want to drive. Never thought I would see the day when the most powerful car listed in a comparison was a twingo though!
I love purple cars.
I love teal cars.
I love happy cars.
I don’t think I need to explain how I feel about happy purple-and-teal(-and-grey) cars.
Le Ami will be my friend. The camber you get when turning the steering wheel is making me feel especially positive about this decision.
Seems you’ve considered all the angles.