Good morning! Our final Showdown of the year is also the first under our new experimental “make it, take it” rules, which means yesterday’s winner comes back to face a new challenger, and today it’s a bit of a format war as our stalwart Mercury wagon squares off against its natural competitor, the minivan.
I honestly had no idea how you all were going to vote yesterday. The two cars weren’t really comparable, so instead it came down to a question of use: Are you looking for a cheap beater, or for a nice clean weekender? The Stanza is too nice to subject to the grind of daily use, and Taurus/Sable wagons are a dime a dozen, even now. In the end, you focused on the “Shitbox” aspect of the name of the game, and gave a landslide win to the Mercury.
Quite a few of you felt the Stanza was overpriced for what it is, as well, and I don’t really know what to tell you about that. There are more cars considered “classics” available these days than ever before, as the reliable and well-built vehicles of the 1980s and 90s age into the market, which should make them less expensive – but nostalgia always drives up prices, even for a dull little Nissan sedan that is – as of tomorrow – forty years old. (Ouch.)
When the minivan arrived on the scene in the mid-1980s, it quickly took over the station wagon’s place as the preferred family hauler. But even from the beginning, Chrysler and the other pioneers never forgot the “van” part of the formula, and offered their new “garageable vans” in bare-steel, no-window versions just like the big vans. They made a great alternative to a small pickup truck, for tradespeople who wanted more weather protection and security.
Chrysler kept making a cargo version of its venerable Caravan until its first major redesign in the mid-90s, but Caravan C/Vs, as they’re known, are becoming a rare sight these days. Let’s see if you prefer it to the Mercury wagon you already know.
1995 Mercury Sable GS Wagon – $2,400
Engine/drivetrain: 3.0 or 3.8 liter overhead valve V6, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Cape Coral, FL
Odometer reading: 113,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
I have a specific memory of the Mercury Sable – well, two, actually. The first is that when my mother went looking for her very own first car in 1987, she had her heart set on an Audi 5000, but my dad, penny-pincher that he could sometimes be, insisted that she test-drive a Sable as well. She bought the Audi. The other memory is of driving a first date home in hers after she ended up in no condition to drive, or walk or talk, for that matter. Not a bad car to drive at all, as it turns out – but no, there was no second date.
It annoys me that there is no underhood photo of this car in the ad; the Taurus and Sable were available with either the 3.0 liter “Vulcan” v6, or the “Essex” 3.8 liter. No badges on the exterior tell the tale; you have to pop the hood and look. Neither one is perfect – the Vulcan is a little low on power and the Essex had some head gasket issues, but they’re both generally reliable, as is the AXOD four-speed automatic that’s mandatory with either. And because Ford built a zillion of these, mechanical parts are available anywhere, and will be for a long time to come.
A bigger problem with this particular Sable is that corner of the rear bumper that’s ripped off. Ten years ago, every self-service junkyard in the country would have been brimming with Taurus and Sable wagons, and you probably could have even found one in this light blue to match. Now, the pickings are probably quite a bit slimmer.
Still, for the price, it’s not a bad used car at all. It’s comfy, reliable, and practical – and it has not only a way-back seat, but a light bar across the front! And I can’t think of another station wagon that checks both of those boxes. If you can, please let me know in the comments.
1990 Dodge Caravan C/V – $2,200
Engine/drivetrain: 3.0 liter overhead cam V6, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Gastonia, NC
Odometer reading: 160,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
Minivans were heralded as the ultimate family vehicle, but practicality for hauling stuff was baked right into the concept from the beginning: hauling a 4×8 sheet of plywood flat on the floor, like a full-sized pickup, was one of Chrysler’s original design requirements. And that was with the standard short-wheelbase version; this long-wheelbase “Grand” version has even more room for work.
This ad is short on photos as well; we only get four, and none of the inside or under the hood. But Dodge wanted to brag about the availability of a six-cylinder engine in the Caravan, so it added a little chrome “V6” badge to the front fender. The six in question is Mitsubishi’s 3.0 liter 6G72, a tough and reliable engine whose reputation is only sullied by a tendency to burn oil at higher mileage. Passenger Grand Caravans had Chrysler’s new and troublesome Ultradrive four-speed automatic, but the C/V stuck with the simple and stout Torqueflite three-speed. I also discovered, while researching these vans, that the C/V was available with the V6 and a five-speed manual. I bet they sold about five of them. It runs and drives well, but the seller says some new steering tie-rod ends wouldn’t go amiss.
Another feature unique to the Caravan C/V is the availability of barn doors in the rear instead of a hatchback-style tailgate. This makes loading and unloading easier for some things, and it eliminates the possibility of the tailgate falling down when those gas cylinders wear out like they always do. It still has a single sliding door on the passenger side; dual sliding doors wouldn’t arrive on the Caravan until the third generation.
It looks great outside, but it was owned by a mobile auto detailing business; a clean car is just good advertising. It’s rust-free, too. I wish we could see inside, but I can see through the windows that it has the typical gray vinyl seats that most cargo vans have. The only information we get about the interior’s condition is that it needs one window regulator replaced – manual crank windows, I’m sure.
Either one of these would make a fine stuff-hauler for weekend projects, without the hassles of an open pickup bed. And they’re both simple and common mechanically, so you can keep them running for a good long while yet. The Sable is more luxurious, but if the Caravan is as clean inside as it is outside, its condition could offset the Sable’s grubbiness. So which one will it be – the family wagon, or the handyman’s van?
(Image credits: sellers)
Too close to call
That Caravan is perfect! It could be a hippie, dippy van. Or you can turn it into a mobile van for DJs. Or just turn it into a pimped out shaggin van. Or combine all three. Toke, poke and listen to Killing Joke…
“Ass, gas or grass; nobody rides for free”
The van all the way, just gotta stay away from any schools so people don’t get the wrong idea.
I voted van, I like small vans and would love a Transit Connect or old Escort van. I also like sedan deliveries like the VW Squareback van.
https://images.app.goo.gl/n87trT1KVgqXHcBo8
How ’bout this little beauty?: Chevy Vega sedan delivery
It’s a Vega, need I say more. Of course an engine and transmission swap fixes most of what’s wrong with a Vega
So long Sable, gotta nice place down by the river where that van will come in handy. Caravan, cause it’s a car and a van!
Sable for me. It will be a much nicer ride than a mini panel van.
I’ll take the cool Caravan since I didn’t vote for the Mercury yesterday and don’t plan to again unless it’s something way worse. I do like the Dodge and the regular version was one of our family vans growing up.
This one I could even throw in a sleeping bag and “live in a VAN down by the river!”
Happy New Year!
I had no idea you could get barn doors on those vans. That thing is too nice to chose a ragged out Sable over it. “Dime a dozen” you say? I have seen exactly one Taurus/Sable wagon in the last decade, which means finding a replacement bumper will be an absolute nightmare.
Van me! I have no idea what I’m going to do with it, but I’ll figure it out.
Wagon > van. It also bothers me that there are no inside pictures of the van. The cargo area could be all kinds of messed up.
I kinda wanted to see a competitor make it all week, but the Caravan eclipses the Sable. Decent condition for a ‘box and cheaper to boot.
Minivan with barn doors. I’d be tempted to buy it if it was local instead of a pickup truck.
“The Essex had some head gasket issues, but they’re both generally reliable, as is the AXOD four-speed automatic that’s mandatory with either.”
Tell me you’ve never owned a Taurus without telling me you’ve never owned a Taurus…
The AXOD is legendary for longevity issues, with the first 2 revisions prone to breaking hard parts. Even after 4 revisions, Ford never got this family of transmissions to hold up well. This 1995 Sable should have the second revision, prone to TCC lockup issues (TC clutch sticks in the engaged position, causing slamming during shifting and being prone to stalling at stop signs. The lurching wears the clutches and eventually breaks hard parts). This is better than the first revision that had lubrication issues, but definitely not great. Change your fluid every 30,000 miles, hope for the best, and budget for the eventual transmission rebuild.
As for the Essex, any engine with a 60,000 mile head gasket replacement interval shouldn’t be called reliable. That’s significantly harder than changing a timing belt every 100k. And we all know how David feels about that.
I like the Taurus platform, and our family has owned (and rebuilt!) several of them. I’ll even vote for this one, as the Caravan is also prone to transmission failures. But I’d never call an AXOD variant or a 3.8 Essex reliable. Not when they were new, and certainly not by modern standards.
Had a 97 Sable that the dealer had repaired the transmission on before I bought it. He showed me the receipts. $25 in parts, $2100 in labour. Remove the transmission, disassemble it, and one of the first pieces that goes in is the $25 nylon part that replaced a plastic version that was prone to failure. Never had a transmission issue while I owned it (about 4 years). Great car otherwise.
80’s-90’s 3.8’s were junk (except the Super Coupe) until they fixed the head gasket issue at some point in the late 90’s (?)..they still had other problems though.
And you are correct, the AXOD/AX4S/AX4N family of transaxles were all just shitty.
The CD4E transaxles they put in other cars at the time held up much better.
Going van I’d say. For a ’90 it actually probably is the 3.3, they had it standard on extended length vans on the engine’s intro and the 3.0 started to trickle back in to Grands in later years.
Unrelated but I recently came across a pic of a ’91 C/V and it had a certain…scary Easter bunny look to it that still haunts me a bit. Dunno if they actually produced many with that face because later gen-2 C/Vs just had the same nose as regular Caravans. But the sealed beams on the facelifted gen-1s looked more natural since it is just a light swap, more typical of cargo/base van setups – but also the nose the Euro Voyager used rather than composites.
I’ll take the Caravan. Looks like a cheap, mostly reliable van for a bike hauler.
That van just looks cool.
We are a fickle bunch, me included.
We were all in on the Mercury yesterday, but today we want the minivan! And I have a deep desire to do weird things to it…
That van is a peach, and I can’t remember the last time I saw barn doors on one. We’ll take the Mini Ram.
The van. I don’t even know what I would do with it, but the van.
Live “down by the river?”
If it ain’t got a bog, it ain’t living.
Love that van. The fact that it’s a completely utilitarian vehicle and absolutely spotless is such an abberation that I can’t possibly pass on this. Bonus because my old man had one of these as a delivery vehicle back in the day that he bought from a defunct pool installation company – I used it a lot for my various hauling tasks and it was a stout little beast.
I used to ride around in a friend’s 1991 Grand Caravan and while I can’t say it was bad, I have no desire to own one – especially not a windowless creeper van version. Sable gets my vote again.
Someone needed to take away the Sable’s owner’s keys a year or two earlier.
I want that Caravan real bad
My parents also test-drove a Sable in 1987, a totally loaded one. They ended up buying a base-model, dealer-demo Acura Legend instead. I think it was the right move.
Sable all the way. I had my Mom’s hand-me-down ’93 sable sedan (even in that same baby blue!) with the smaller V6 in high school and college, and when I got the car it had 250,000 miles on it. After finishing college, my parents sold it for $800 with 325,000 on the odometer. Only major repair the car ever had was a transmission rebuild (my dad was absolutely anal about maintenance).
Yeah every light in the light bar was burned out but the engine just wouldn’t die.
Does the Caravan come with free candy?
no. It isn’t red 😛
So red powerwashes off. Good to know.
It’s too clean for that. It has more of a Flowers By Irene vibe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsamUj8VcAUK9UW.jpg
Either way it’s a box with a surprise inside!