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Are Nissan Altima Drivers Really That Bad? A Deep Dive Into The Internet’s Most Feared Drivers

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The Nissan Altima and its drivers have a bit of a reputation. Getting behind the wheel of one seems to imbue a driver with a primal, almost corrupting power. As if the Altima becomes a vessel for its driver’s contempt — for this cruel existence, and for their (and their car’s) very connection to this mortal coil.

Or at least, so goes the stereotype. But how true is it really? We can all rattle off unflattering and mostly untrue cliches about almost any car. Corvettes and New Balance shoes, Subaru drivers’ affinity for vaping and granola, lifted truck owners’ male inadequacies, and so on. Confirmation bias is a slippery slope, and we can wind up believing things that we want to be true by only looking for evidence that they are. But everyone, including Nissan Altima drivers, deserves a fair shake.

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So I looked into it, and it looks like Nissan Altima drivers might indeed be more reckless than the average driver. Let’s look at some stats.

“Big Altima Energy”

Nissan Altima Question Marks
Source: VW Vortex

“Big Altima Energy” is the most common name for a set of behaviors that, while not exclusive to Altima drivers, are seemingly better embodied by them than drivers of any other car. As outlined by the Facebook group Big Altima Energy and Urban Dictionary, Altima drivers are associated with driving cars in visible disrepair with complete disregard for safety.

Nissan Altima Dbags
Source: CivicX

They may drive at perilous speeds with significant body damage and noticeable drivability issues, like an emergency spare bolted in place, busted lights, collapsing suspension, and so on. According to the stereotype, you’ll see them weaving through traffic at high speed, blowing red lights, or in extreme cases, ramping themselves off stationary flatbed trucks

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A couple of weeks ago, I had to dodge a speeding Altima while walking in my own neighborhood when they drove right at me rather than inconvenience themselves by bouncing through a couple of small potholes. Altima drivers, per the stereotype, aren’t mere adrenaline junkies like your average street racer in a Dodge Charger; some truly seem to hold contempt for anyone in their way.

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Screenshot Source: Urban Dictionary

Obviously, Altima drivers aren’t the only ones playing chicken with pedestrians or speeding in road-unworthy vehicles. But they’ve seemingly combined these bad behaviors so prominently and for so long that the phenomenon garnered a name for itself, possibly starting around the first half of 2022. That’s when the Urban Dictionary entry for “Altima energy” and the first Google searches for “big Altima energy” were made according to Google Trends. These were examples of people agreeing on vernacular for a trend they themselves had observed for years, but had not yet put a name to.

Nissan Altima Fare Thee Well
Source: Reddit

“Are all Nissan Altima drivers d[$%!]bags?” asked one CivicX.com forum user in 2019. Indeed, “Nissan Altima Drivers are the worst” agreed a VW Vortex poster almost four years prior in 2015. Even elements of the motorcycle community were wary of Altimas at least as far back as 2018 according to comments on this Reddit post.

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Image: Reddit/Regularcarreviews
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Image: Reddit/Regularcarreviews

And then there’s that “Regular Car Reviews” Reddit thread above from a few years ago in which folks are spending lots of time time defining “Big Altima Energy.” Clearly, Altima drivers were an established group of motoring miscreants by that point. At least, according to the absurd stereotype. 

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Nissan Altima Search
Source: Google Trends

But as my dad likes to say, stereotypes are a shortcut for thinking. Just because we think Altima drivers suck at driving doesn’t mean they do. Given how many of Urban Dictionary’s Altima-related entries are outright prejudiced, it seemed the whole “big Altima energy” schtick runs the risk of being used as a cover for bigotry. Parroting the meme any further wouldn’t feel right unless I could prove to myself that Altima drivers really are agents of chaos.

The Data Behind The Stereotype

So I hunted for data on Altima drivers’ behavior for months, reaching out to various insurers and industry groups. None returned my inquiries. None until LendingTree, which offered me takeaways from tens of millions of submissions to QuoteWizard, its in-house insurance quote aggregator. This data is all self-reported by drivers, and is one of the largest and most complete sources of info on driver behavior out there.

The company also parsed data from NHTSA’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), which records fatal crashes across the United States. Specifically, they looked for crashes involving aggressive or distracted driving, which I’ll abbreviate “ADF” for aggression/distraction fatalities. It also contextualized info from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s public insurance loss database, which painted an unflattering portrait of Altima drivers.

According to NHTSA FARS data processed by LendingTree, Altima drivers ranked sixth for ADF crashes in 2022, with 63. They also stand out in IIHS rankings for midsize sedan insurance losses, with the highest rate of claims filed for personal injury. Altimas also rank second for claim rates on bodily injury, medical payments, and property damage, which also takes claim values into account. (These are all second to the Chevy Malibu, a comparison we’ll explore more later.) It also came in third for losses by collision, and fourth for losses on comprehensive policies. Interestingly, the all-wheel-drive Altima was ranked separately with significantly lower rates of insurance losses. I’ll touch on a potential cause of that later.

Nissan Altima Data
SOURCE: IIHS/FARS Data Analyzed By Lending Tree

But hold your horses, because it’s too easy to draw a misleading conclusion from these stats at face value. If the Altima has poorer safety ratings than other midsize sedans, a higher rate of fatal crashes doesn’t say as much about its drivers. You may also wonder why the same-size Honda Accord—which ranked higher for ADF crash volume—doesn’t have the same stigma attached. Or for that matter, why the seemingly injury-prone Malibu ranks lower than the Altima for ADF crashes in 10th. There seems to be an answer to these questions, and it starts by touching on the list’s big hitters.

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Nissan Altima Crashes
Source: NHTSA

That’s literal, because three of the top five vehicles on the ADF list are full-size pickups. Their mass simply means crashes involving them can be more serious, while their popularity means they just get in more crashes. Popularity also explains the Accord-Altima-Malibu hierarchy, because it mirrors their last decade of sales.

Nissan Altima Graph

Between calendar years 2014 and 2023, Honda sold 2,725,113 Accords according to Good Car Bad Car, with Nissan notching 2,088,302 Altimas and Chevy claiming 1,449,792 Malibus over that period. Compare that to their rate of ADF crashes, and you’ll find the Altima has an 11.1-percent higher rate of these incidents than the Accord. (Meanwhile, the Malibu comes in 3.5 percent below the Honda.) This isn’t due to any difference in how safe these sedans are, either: All three have five-star NHTSA crash test ratings at both ends of the 2014-2023 window.

“When it comes to IIHS safety ratings, the 2020 Altima performed quite well with good ratings in six different crashworthiness evaluations and a top rating of superior in our original 12- and 25-mph crash prevention tests,” commented Joe Young, director of media relations for the IIHS/HLDI. “In fact, combined with several other ratings, the 2020 Altima earned a Top Safety Pick that year.”

Young also noted that the IIHS’s ADF numbers were based solely on 2019 and 2020 models, meaning these statistics aren’t skewed by crashes involving older, less-safe vehicles. That means, despite competitive safety marks from both the federal government and independent testers, the Altima is still a statistical outlier. That seems to leave only one variable to blame: the driver.

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The Drivers Behind The Data

2025 Altima Sv Special Edition
Image: Nissan

“The Nissan Altima is a safe car that is often driven in an unsafe manner,” summarized LendingTree’s Rob Bhatt, a car insurance expert and a licensed agent. “Its high ranking for fatal accidents from speeding or aggressive driving is particularly troubling.”

From insurers’ perspective, Bhatt says the Altima is a “puzzling” vehicle. He explained that insurers determine premiums using data on how often a car is crashed and how expensive those crashes are. There are plenty of predictive risk factors too, like low safety ratings, complex or electrified drivetrains, and being a performance car. By all measures, the safe, simple, slow Nissan Altima should be as expensive to insure as any other run-of-the-mill commuter.

“The Altima is a gas-powered car with a high safety rating,” Bhatt said. “It should be involved in fewer accidents than other cars and have fewer repairs. It’s not an EV, hybrid or precision tuned luxury car, so it’s probably cheaper to repair than cars with more sophisticated technology or intricate features. In other words, it should have low claims frequency and low claims severity.

But against all logic, the Altima more than doubled the average rate of personal injury and medical payment claims for midsize sedans between 2020 and 2022. Its rate of crash claims was 45 percent above the average, too. To put things into perspective, Bhatt compared the Altima’s premiums to those of a vehicle you expect to be pricey to insure—a luxury EV.

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Source: Nissan

“I recently reviewed insurance rates for 36 new model year cars to compare EV insurance rates to rates for gas cars,” Bhatt said. “The Nissan Altima had the 25th-highest insurance rate. Full coverage for a Nissan Altima costs an average of $228 a month, before discounts. That’s slightly higher than the $225-a-month rate for the electric Cadillac Lyriq. One of the more interesting aspects about this is that a new Lyriq costs more than twice as much as an Altima.”

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“Unfortunately, the actions of its drivers are offsetting the positive qualities that should be providing low crash rates and low insurance rates,” Bhatt concluded.

So there you have it, Altima drivers really do seem to cause more trouble on the road than the average driver. But why? That’s a far harder question to answer. 

“Driver death rates reflect the real-world experience of a vehicle, which can be affected by where, when, how, and by whom they’re driven,” the IIHS’s Young told me. “If newer/younger drivers are drawn to a given model, that could affect its real-world experience because these drivers are more likely to crash. Similarly, men (especially young men) are more likely to engage in certain reckless behaviors like red light running, so a model that appeals to this demographic may be driven more dangerously in some cases.”

Identifying those demographics is tougher than it sounds, because the automotive industry keeps those cards close to its chest. When I contacted JD Power for current Altima-buyer data from its APEAL studies, whose publication Yahoo! Autos covered in 2016, it declined to share. Much of the info that is out there is of a similar, outdated vintage, and only addresses the new-car market. The body of Altima owners as a whole is better-understood by insurers, who didn’t return my emails.

2012 Nissan Altima certified pre-owned
Photo credit: Nissan

But one demographic repeatedly pops up, both in studies from a decade ago and in contemporary reporting. The JD Power study covered above noted Altima customers were more price-sensitive than the average midsize car buyer, and also favored its thrifty fuel economy. A 2016 LendingTree study published in Media Post observed the Altima’s popularity with Millennials, a skint demographic compared to the average new-car buyer. More recently, marketing analysts at YouGov reported this year that Nissan customers in general are more likely to be from poorer households. According to the Federal Reserve, lower income correlates with the one demographic that LendingTree’s Bhatt suggested was worth noting — buyers with low credit scores.

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Past insurance industry research has shown that drivers with bad credit are generally more likely to get into an accident than those with good credit,” Bhatt said. “In most states, insurance companies can charge you more if you have bad credit.”

Bhatt emphasized how tenuous the correlation between crashes and credit rating are, and the flaws with the credit score system as a whole. That said, it’s an interesting coincidence that Nissan buyers previously ranked second-lowest in a 2020 LendingTree study of credit scores by car make. Only Kia ranked lower, and both makes have a reputation (deserved or not) for playing fast-sand-loose with who they finance. For what it’s worth, both were named by CarsDirect in November 2023 as good options for car buyers with bad credit.

[Ed Note: To be clear, we’re not saying that folks with less money are worse drivers. Insurance companies consider folks with lower credit scores to be higher risk (some experts seem to say a low credit score implies a recklessness that translates to driving, but that seems simple to me), though that can be due to a number of factors, like perhaps folks with lower credit scores being youngerThis is a complex issue; just know that we’re not saying that your driving ability has to do with how much jingle you have in your pocket! -DT]

Additionally, it’s interesting that all-wheel-drive Altimas should have markedly lower crash rates than front-wheel-drive models. AWD is a premium option, so hypothetically, AWD Altimas are less accessible to buyers with the poorest credit scores (who correlate with higher crash rates). The reduced acceleration that comes with AWD may also contribute—though even the AWD Altima still comes in above average for insurance losses according to the IIHS. 

The Fastest Car In The World Is A Rental Nissan Altima

Nissan Altima 06 09 Model
Source: Nissan

To scrape together one last small plate of food for thought, let’s also consider Nissan’s dependence on fleet sales to hit its targets in recent years. As of early 2018, Nissan was the top seller to rental agencies according to Grewal & Levy Marketing—a crutch that Automotive News reports Nissan had returned to as of March 2024. Rental-industry software supplier Rentall indicates that the biggest rental agencies replace their fleet vehicles after no more than a year of service, meaning they regularly offload lots of hard-lived late-model vehicles—disproportionately Nissans—onto the used market. These are circumstantial connections, but it seems safe to guess that there’s an abundance of ex-rental Altimas out there. They’re new enough to look reasonably classy, yet cheap enough that a shopper with a rocky financial history can secure a loan for one.

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Knowing all of the above, I’ll let you paint the picture of the archetypal Altima driver in your head. They drive perfectly safe cars, yet they get into serious crashes far more than they should. Why? We can’t say definitively, because it’s a chain of correlation and circumstantial evidence. But there do seem to be compounding factors that make Altimas accessible to less financially stable buyers, who, at least statistically, are more likely to be in crashes. But again, it’s not just a simple correlation.

In light of all this, it’s much harder to point and laugh at Altimas on the road, even if we’re justified in giving them a wide berth. But this knowledge won’t serve us for very long. While the Altima seems to be going away in a few years, its drivers aren’t going anywhere. They’ll take the wheels of other cars and disappear into the crowd, remaining anonymous as long as they don’t make statistics of themselves. If they do, we’re sure to spot their descendants cutting through traffic in whatever takes the Altima’s place. And in time, maybe they’ll leave numerical tire tracks that pick up where the Altima’s leave off.

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Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 days ago

Around my area, I find Ram 1500 pickup truck and Hyundai Elantra drivers are generally worse than Altima drivers.

Bob Boxbody
Bob Boxbody
2 days ago

Jettas are the ones with bad reps in my head. Also, the last year or so, I’ve noticed that Kia Souls are often being driven like crap. And Teslas very often also, especially with lane changes, which prompts the question: Am I witnessing FSD doing stupid things, or are Tesla drivers simply inconsiderate drivers in general?

Last edited 2 days ago by Bob Boxbody
Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
2 days ago

I have my own theory on this:

People who are low income and low credit have certain habits – Among them being habitual video game players and major consumers of “reality TV” & “viral internet stunts”

The habitual video game player often has a distorted sense of reality where actions don’t lead to consequences other than “Game Over – New Game Start?” Then consider the popular games out there which involve people and driving – and treating other people and drivers as obstacles to be killed or sped around…

Couple that with a feeling of a lack of control over their own lives, and a lack of empathy for others – reinforced by “reality TV” and “viral internet stunt” culture where people who do bad and stupid things get rewarded with fame and fortune and nobody dies.

Put that person behind the wheel of a cheap to own and operate vehicle (Altima) when they’re perpetually late to wherever they need to be (because they spent too much time watching TV, playing video games and watching viral internet stunt videos)

And you wind up with BAE.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
2 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Sort of? I’ve been playing video games my entire life, but I have no misconceptions that behaving dangerously or selfishly is without consequence. I don’t think it’s the fault of the video games any more than it’s the fault of someone reading a lot of fiction – it’s neither the falsity nor veracity of the story or its medium, but the interpretation of the consumer. Just because someone can turn off a game or close the book doesn’t mean they are intrinsically or *necessarily* conditioned to believe their actions are without consequences. I believe it’s possible to be influenced by those things, for sure. I just don’t think it’s the first thing to examine.

There’s an analogy that sticks with me that I always find helpful for teasing apart correlation and causation: reading parenting books doesn’t necessarily make you a better parent. Being the sort of parent to read parenting books does.

I think personally think it’s closer to a deep, unrecognized nihilism – nothing matters, I might as well die fast (literally and figuratively) and if I take someone else out so be it. It’s not videogames or TikTok or Facebook or alcohol or drugs or whatever vice or vice-adjacent thing. It’s unhealthy people engaging with those things in unhealthy ways.

Note: I think Facebook, TikTok, social media, manipulative video game design, etc, are definitely unhealthy and self-reinforcing. Once you get in they are designed to trap you, and people are not immune to manipulation. But if you’re already looking for an escape, and you’re a narcissist folding in on yourself like a bleak emotional croissant, you get trapped in the escape, or more accurately, the Altima.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
2 days ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

Dammit, now I want a croissant.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
2 days ago

Its because Nissan used to give anyone with a 350 credit score and a heartbeat an Altima for zero down. This is the answer I found when living in West Dallas (ghetto). Just saying, I have met people, usually women of a certain ethnic background, who would make me think “oh I know your trifling ass drives an Altima”.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago
Reply to  AcidGambit

For sure in my friends and family circle, there is a STRONG correlation between credit score and car crashes. And of course, people with crap credit and no money don’t get their cars fixed after a crash, hence all the banded-up Nissan hoopties around.

J Hyman
J Hyman
2 days ago

IDK, my personal bugaboo is the Corolla. Drivers generally have no idea what is going on around them. Not enough power to be malicious, but sufficient to be an obstacle in Brownian motion.

Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
2 days ago

Yes! These are the hard hitting, detailed exposes we need!

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
2 days ago

11 years ago one of my neighbors who thought it was a good idea to go for a drive because she couldn’t fall asleep hit (and totaled) my 1975 MG MGB convertible while it was parked in front of my house. While the MG was totaled,her car didn’t come through unscathed either (a Toyota Camry). It was replaced by a Nissan Altima(which from my understanding) that didn’t last long!
I still scratch my head on her thought process,I think the police officer investigating the accident was more PO’d than I was!

PackardGuy
PackardGuy
3 days ago

I wonder what ‘Altima energy’ drivers drove before the Altima came out. Surely, such drivers existed in the past?

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
2 days ago
Reply to  PackardGuy

Before the Altima? Depends.
Honda Civics,Accords, maybe even a Ford Escort or Tempo or two.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
2 days ago
Reply to  PackardGuy

Nothing. They couldn’t afford a car.

FloorMatt
FloorMatt
2 days ago
Reply to  PackardGuy

Ford Probe

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
3 days ago

It’s mostly being young and what’s affordable. Someone help me out. For years I’ve being hearing jabs directed at New Balance shoes. I see all age groups and all ethnicities wearing them. What am I missing?

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
2 days ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

New Balance has historically been a brand much less interested in style than comfort. They sell their shoes in widths up to like EEEE and older white guys have traditionally loved them.That’s where the whole Corvette driver stereotype comes from.

Several years back the “normcore” trend took off and New Balance suddenly became more relevant than they had been in many years. That brought the brand into the spotlight and they’ve been fairly clever about keeping themselves there by introducing new lines and collaborations as well as sponsorship deals with big-time athletes. They sit in a pretty sweet position right now… they sell the OG shoes to the old guys and young people who wear them ironically but also have newer lines to cater to sneakerheads.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
2 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

Thanks.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

That Covette owners of a certain age inevitably wear them. It doesn’t matter who else does.

Here in God’s Waiting Room, FL, where a Corvette seems to be a retirement right of passage, you very quickly find that the Corvette stereotypes are sterotypes for very good reasons. New Balance shoes, Jorts, Navy caps, trophy wife, all wrapped up in an allegedly 1 of 1 Corvette.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
2 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Guilt by association. Got it!

ChrisGT
ChrisGT
3 days ago

“Let’s look at some stats.”

David Tracy has is corporate mumbo-jumbo notebook at the ready!

Hans
Hans
3 days ago

my first car…. was a salvage titled second gen nissan altima way back in 2001. I drove it like the 155hp sports cars that it is. Since it was salvaged the oem exhaust had rusted out and I replaced it with an aftermarket cheaper one (that happened to also be louder)

So I am maybe a pioneer I think….. predictably now i’m a BMW driver, but i’ve grown up and drive fairly responsibly

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
3 days ago
Reply to  Hans

You left out the most important detail: did you crash the Altima? Obviously the owner before you did… unless you’re responsible for the salvage title?

Hans
Hans
22 hours ago

nah my fathers friend got it from a copart auction for me… so someone else had crashed it and we repaired it mostly. but it had the spirit of an altima in it already

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago
Reply to  Hans

The BMW driver stereotype has long since been taken over by Infiniti. the G35 is the Altima of sports sedans.

I drove a succession of Jettas like an asshole before I grew up.

Dale Petty
Dale Petty
3 days ago

25 years ago my job location changed, resulting in a 25 mile interstate trek to work. Back then the Mitsubishi Galant divers seemed possessed. Soon after, Mitsubishi dealers in New England came under federal indictment for falsifying loan applications to get low credit score folks car loans.
Nissan since filled the possessed driver niche with the Altima and more recently the Rogue.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
2 days ago
Reply to  Dale Petty

When I lived in Dallas I was told the reason everyone in the hood had an Altima was because they were giving them for 0 down with a 350 credit score.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
3 days ago

I haven’t read all the comments yet, but my off-handed guess is that Altima drivers have a higher baseline anger factor, because they are driving Altimas vs the other options. A CVT Nissan of either the Sentra or Altima persuasion have been among the top most boring rentals I got.

I had a Corolla rental last week with 1300 miles on it, and I would put it up there too. And it had several cabin rattles already! With only 1300 miles on it!!

If I had to replace my ’17 Accord V6 with 63K on its odo, I don’t know what I would replace it with.

Economically, as few miles as I put on it (and I have a scooter which is a blast to ride around town when the weather cooperates), it would probably make sense to not have a car at all and Uber/Lyft/scooter around town and rent something when I need to go further. Kinda depressing.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
3 days ago

I think it’s probably an age related thing. When I was younger, I tended to drive aggressively, sometimes even dangerously. In my mind I was a talented racer (who’d never been to a track) and all the slowpokes around me were the problem. Coincidentally, I had a poor credit rating and little money, so an inexpensive nice(ish) car would have been a popular choice with me. Given the ubiquitousness of the Altima as a rental car, as others have said, it’s available to people who are as I used to be.

Note, I had BAE, but I was driving a Geo Metro in those days. I somehow stayed accident free and have since grown up.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
3 days ago

Agreed! I used to fling a Peugeot 504 around windy roads in coastal NW California, tires squealing or at least often getting perilously close to their limits of adhesion.

45+ years later, I drive a far better handling car now, but I don’t think I’ve ever gotten it close to its limits in 8 years and 62K miles.

Itching to get past something being driven reasonably around windy roads, but in a car with only 110 HP back then was frustrating. I have 2.5 X as much horsepower available under my right foot in a car that weighs only about 25% more than the Peugeot, which would get me past the “slow pokes” in a heartbeat, but now, I’m just not that much in a hurry. I can back off and take an occasional glance at the scenery instead of trying to get through it as fast as possible. (And I was surprised to see that 504s were actually pretty light [2,800 pounds] for a robustly built car with really thick sheet metal. And a torque tube… Perhaps a topic Mercedes or Jason might want to tackle someday. Just sayin’).

And now, I hate being the driver who holds people up on roads like that. In my defense, in my Peugeot days, I was driving solo and now I usually have a passenger or two or three and I don’t carry vomit bags in my car and tend to drive more like a chauffeur than a crackhead. On roads like that, if they have pull-off spots, I’ll take one.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

To be fair (I have owned four 504s) the limits of adhesion were quite low, so you weren’t going very fast, and they actually handle really nicely within those low limits.. And mine were all diesels, so I was trying to maintain speed even harder than you were in all likelihood. The only way to make progress in really slow car is NEVER LIFT, EVER. 🙂

But same here – I am a MUCH calmer driver now than I was in my youth. I will go somewhat quickly when conditions allow, but I am never recklessly, which was my default state for the first 5-10 years I had my license. And I honestly don’t know how I didn’t die my first year or two behind the wheel, there were several times I really should have, especially given what early ’80s cars were like.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I had two. Both gas. One stick and one Automatique. I really liked the clutch and transmission in the manual one.

I had a housemate who borrowed his mother’s diesel station wagon/estate with the slush box and man, that thing was slooooooow.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

Yup, I had two diesel wagons, One stick, one Automatique. Those cars teach one patience. My 4spd diesel sedans were fast enough. 80mph was fine, just loud. Always wanted to do a 5spd swap, but had to sell before I got the round tuit.

This was my best one ’79 4spd sedan – one of my favorite cars of all time, and dearly missed:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/10764510@N05/albums/72177720323898226/

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I think I have complimented you on that car here before. The paint is a great color, and the alloy wheels are awesome. I had a ’70 and a ’71. It’s remarkable how little they changed over the years.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

She really was lovely! The paint wasn’t original, it was a yellower metallic green when I got it, but it came from Palm Springs and the paint was burned off by the sun. ZERO rust though. Had to sell when I lost my job in ’03. One of my 504 wagons was almost as nice, but I don’t have any pictures of that one.

Had a bunch of 505s too, including the very last ’92 505 SW8 imported into the US. That was also the only 5spd SW8 sold in the US. I miss Peugeots.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Me too. I test drove a 505 and I remember its ride as being almost magical. I rented a diesel 307 for a few days while on vacation in France and wished I could have brought it back with me.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
3 days ago

Well, I drove up to Easton PA today to pick up something from a precast concrete place, and the only two cars that actively tried to kill me were both Altimas. One had no apparent damage, but did have a cursive “Blessed” sticker on the trunk lid, the other one did have a partially detached front bumper flapping in the breeze

EXL500
EXL500
3 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

A few days ago I was tailgated more closely than anytime in my driving life, so close I chose a different route: yep, Altima.

Chris Campbell
Chris Campbell
3 days ago

Up here in Siberiacuse, it’s not the Altima. It’s the Nissan Rogue. They’re cheap, everywhere, and the drivers just don’t give a flying fornication. At least BMW drivers try not to damage property while not signaling. Rogues live up to the name.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago
Reply to  Chris Campbell

A Rogue is just an Altima with a lift kit. Same BAE.

Avalanche Tremor
Avalanche Tremor
3 days ago

To add to the correlation/causation issue I wonder if looking at it the other way around may help explain at least some part of the low credit score correlating with unsafe driving, which is maybe unsafe driving is a contributing factor to a low credit score? Cars are expensive and if someone treats theirs poorly it’s more likely to cost more money in the long run. Not to mention if someone has a habit of wrecking cars they still have a note on that can very easily cause some debt issues very quickly.

D-dub
D-dub
2 days ago

I think it’s a single character trait driving both outcomes. An inability to consider the consequences of one’s poor choices will lead to both poor credit and unsafe driving.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

Chicken and egg situation.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
2 days ago

Throw the disparity between insurance rates in there too. Person with low credit buys an Altima because it’s cheap, but the higher cost to insure helps keep their credit down and finances tight.

Mike F.
Mike F.
3 days ago

Altimas have never stood out as being problematic to me. Yeah, you get the occasional one trying to to 90 mph through 60 mph traffic, but there are as many or more other cars and trucks (especially lifted trucks) that do the same thing. If I were to put one ahmakeead of others in the “jerk driver” category, it would probably be Mercedes. The Chargers and Mustangs also figure in, although some of that might be the fact that there are so many of them on the road right now.

Logan King
Logan King
3 days ago

I’m a fair bit amused that this detailed, extensive dive into this perceived phenomenon that involved consulting several experts (and shout out to a great article, really) led to a conclusion that is basically “Yes, Big Altima Energy is a thing”

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GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
3 days ago

The Altima, like Curly Howard before it, is a victim of circumstance. Your article really highlights just how flooded the market was/is with these cars.

The standard offenders are the L32 and L33. Made at a time when Nissan was in a reckless quest for growth. Also developed in the wake of mid-size sedans being the top sellers in the US.

It was a perfect storm that sent a flood of cheaply made and priced vehicles down to the bottom of the market. Another car will take the mantle when an automaker makes the same mistake.

That said, most jokes on the matter are very classist and typically involve “punching down” on the people our system failed. Not cool, man. Not cool.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
2 days ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

So what you are saying is I am allowed to make fun of Altima drivers because I am poor and live in the inner city? I don’t know why we have to tip toe around race when every single time am Altima almost kills me it’s being driven by an obese black woman who thinks the world owes her everything.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago
Reply to  AcidGambit

Nah, skinny black chicks drive them just the same. And black guys too.

And pretty much everyone else who drives them, no matter skin tone, once the cars reach their 3rd or 4th owner. I certainly never see NEW Altimas being driven with BAE. New Rogues though.

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
6 hours ago
Reply to  AcidGambit

Does being in difficult situation typically give you the right to belittle people in the same situation?

Last edited 6 hours ago by GhosnInABox
Drh3b
Drh3b
3 days ago

Here in North St. Louis County, the worst drivers are Chargers and any car with no plates or expired temp paper plates.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 days ago

So this is speculation at best but is it the vehicle makes for worse drivers or bad drivers buy cheap decent cars? Cart before the horse. And please never agree to allow your insurance company to monitor your driving 24/7. One sharp break to avoid an accident you double your premium

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

Meh, I did the Snapshot thing with Progressive for giggles. Had a few hard brakes over the course of the six months. I think I ended up with a B+ rating. Saved a hundred bucks or so on my already low premium. It does actually make you think ahead more, but I also very much think their threshold for what makes a hard brake is too low. Sometimes, the level of braking to stop on a yellow from speed limit speeds here in SW FL was enough to get the thing to squawk. So that leads to wanting to risk running a red to avoid that. Dumb.

However, I would NEVER in a million years use the phone version. I only had one of my two cars insured with them, the other one is with a different company. That that one is the much more fun car. it was not a hardship to drive my cruise liner of a Mercedes a little more calmly than my usual calm style to save a few bucks, and if I needed to drive late at night I drove my other car. But the next year GEICO was even cheaper with no monitoring nonsense.:-)

Haywood Giablomi
Haywood Giablomi
3 days ago

So basically they’re popular with people who make bad decisions?

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 days ago

No they are cheap so people who aren’t rich buy them then get screwed because bad drivers also buy them.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

Ultimately, it’s chicken and egg. Do poor people make bad decisions because they are poor, or are they poor because they make bad decisions. The answer is probably “yes”.

Curtis Loew
Curtis Loew
3 days ago

In a way. They are sold to people who have made poor life and financial choices and now can only afford a 200k mile Altima from a buy here pay here for $88 a week. So, not so much popular as it’s the car of last resort for poor decision makers.

AcidGambit
AcidGambit
2 days ago

Yes. While this is the politically incorrect answer, yes, people buy Altimas because they are the only cars many people can afford. Weird thing is they have developed a cult following in the hood for being indestructible.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
3 days ago

The deferred maintenance because of low finances…. I get that, I’ve been there
But driving like an ash hole…. Come on man, don’t be that guy

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

So everyone does that? Or should be punished because some do it?

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
2 days ago

I’m just saying, I don’t begrudge Altima owners for having questionable maintenance.
I begrudge them for bad driving
Of course, not all Altima drivers do this. But stereotypes exist

Jatco Xtronic CVT
Jatco Xtronic CVT
3 days ago

Well, many Nissan vehicles, including the Altima, are equipped with the extremely capable Jatco Xtronic CVT. Unfortunately, a lot of Nissan Altima drivers let that raw power, that ultimate capability, go to their heads, and they abuse that power on the road. That is the only downside of the Xtronic: it enables terrifying driving. A testament to how good it truly is, however.

Last edited 3 days ago by Jatco Xtronic CVT
Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
3 days ago

I’m on to you, Big CVT…

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
2 days ago

To paraphrase, with great CVT comes great responsibility.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 days ago

I think the CVT saves us from them. Imagine how many would be terrorizing the roads if they were as long-lived as Camrys and Corollas? The CVT inevitably blows up, and one less Altima or Rogue on the road. Of course they just go buy another one at the BHPH. It’s a neverending circle of life.

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