Happy Friday, Autopians! Today we’re looking at a pair of cheap used cars that are the same color, close to the same price, and hold roughly the same amount of stuff, but differ in how they put the power to the road. Have we reached the era of the electric shitbox, or do we have a ways to go yet? You be the judge.
I’m honestly a little surprised that yesterday‘s final tally was so lopsided. I expected the Suzuki to put up a better showing. Was it the grubby interior? Or the faded paint? Or simply the fact that an Astra is actually a pretty nice little car, whatever badge it wears?
Personally, I’ve never driven an Astra, but I did put several hundred miles on its smaller sibling, the Corsa, many years ago while on vacation in the UK, and I really enjoyed it. If the Astra is more or less the same thing only bigger, then it would be my choice as well – especially since I know I don’t like the Aerio’s dashboard.
Now then: EVs are here, and they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. And at some point, older ones are going to become just plain old used cars. It won’t happen anytime soon, but eventually, based on the sheer numbers of them sold, I’ll be able to feature a $5,000 Tesla Model 3 on this column.
But will anyone want it? Battery degradation is real, and while the technology is way better than it was, and improving all the time, the fact that an EV loses effective range over time while an ICE-powered car does not is going to have an effect on their value. So today, we’re going to look at one of each, within a hundred dollars of each other in price, and weigh the pros and cons of each.
2001 BMW 525iT – $1,700
Engine/drivetrain: 2.5-liter dual overhead cam inline 6, five-speed automatic, RWD
Location: McHenry, IL
Odometer reading: 147,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives, but has a check-engine light
There is nothing more expensive, the old line goes, than a cheap German car. German engineers tend to design things with a high level of precision and complexity, and then expect a degree of fastidiousness about maintenance that doesn’t really exist outside of the owner’s manual. When removed from the cold environment of a CAD program and subjected to typical road conditions and owners’ casual attitudes, German cars have a maddening and expensive tendency to fail, or at least make you keenly aware of every warning light on the dash.
This wouldn’t matter if they weren’t so damned nice. If BMW’s E39-chassis 5 Series were any less wonderful to drive, we could simply ignore it and let it fade into the mists of automotive history, along with Hyundai Excels and Ford Tempos. But that smooth, powerful inline six, powering the rear wheels of a wonderfully balanced chassis, makes it worth putting up with all the German car bullshit. Sometimes.
This 525i is powered by the smallest engine offered in America in the 5 Series, a 2.5 liter six making 192 horsepower. It drives the rear wheels through a five-speed automatic. Yes, of course, a manual would be more fun, but even with an automatic, a BMW of this era is a nice car to drive. This one runs and drives well, but it has a vacuum leak that causes a stumble in the idle sometimes, and the Check Engine light is on. It also burns a little oil. It does, however, have new catalytic converters, new brakes all around, and some other recent work.
Unfortunately, however, this is a Midwestern car, and we all know what that means. Rust has had its way with the underside of this car, notably in the jack points, which will eventually make future repairs much more challenging. I once had to junk a Honda Accord that needed nothing but new rear brakes, because it was too rusty to jack up safely. This one is nowhere near that bad, but unless you have welding skills and a lift, know that its days are numbered.
2011 Nissan Leaf SL – $1,800
Motor/drivetrain: 80 kW AC electric motor, single-speed gearbox, FWD
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Odometer reading: 66,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great – for short distances
It’s hard being a pioneer. Blazing a trail for others to follow means inventing whole new ways of doing things, failing to meet expectations even though you didn’t have those expectations yourself, occasionally dying of dysentery … it’s not easy. Nissan’s Leaf hatchback was the first EV produced in serious numbers, and as such, nobody quite knew what to expect of it. When it was new, it was compared to ICE cars, and not always favorably. Now, the first-generation Leaf gets compared to newer, better EVs. Poor thing can’t catch a break.
The Leaf’s battery is a 24 kilowatt-hour lithium-ion pack, good for about 75 miles of range when it was new. This one, thirteen years and 66,000 miles later, is down to about 35 miles of range around town, and less than half that on the highway. Newer Leafs use a lithium-iron-phosphate battery, which suffers from a lot less degradation, but that doesn’t help this poor car. It does run and drive flawlessly; you just can’t stray too far from home.
It looks like it’s in really nice shape inside, at least from the one photo we’re given. The Leaf was panned for being “cheap” inside when it was new, but that’s because reviewers were comparing it to other cars at the same price. This is an economy car; it was just an expensive one. Now, as a cheap used car, it’s fine.
Outside, it’s fine, except for one crunched fender. But I lived in Los Angeles for a couple of years, and I remember what the traffic was like. A little body damage on a cheap used car isn’t necessarily a disadvantage; it’s more like a warning to other drivers: “Look what happened to the last person who wouldn’t let me merge.”
Buying a cheap used car is always a gamble, and it’s always a compromise. Do you look for something dull but sturdy, or something that’s more fun but occasionally might not make it home? In this case, the compromise is potentially high maintenance costs, or the need for a reeeeally long extension cord. Which way are you going to go?
(Image credits: Facebook Marketplace sellers)
My vote is for David’s Leaf. Once you spend the $4000 on a new battery pack, you’ll have a decently reliable and cheap to operate local runabout.
https://www.greentecauto.com/hybrid-battery/nissan/leaf/nissan-leaf-battery-pack-and-modules-assembly-gen-1-2011-2012
With the BMW though… even after you fix everything, it will likely continue breaking in expensive ways. And it will be more expensive to insure and operate.
The BMW is just a little too far gone in ways I don’t want to deal with.
The Leaf I could possibly work with as is.
Guys, don’t vote, it’s a trap! Whoever votes is legally obligated to buy from Mercedes & David.
This is way too meta for me. Or at least too self dealing.
Don’t worry, mine was sold last night to someone who is going to have it as a first car. 🙂
It’s good to learn the “Life is Suffering” lesson early in life.
Doin’ your part to discourage a new generation from driving? 😉
She’s just insuring their safety.
If your car can’t leave the driveway, it’s much harder to crash it.
I’m not trying to apologize for snowflakes here, but you can’t just take someone new and throw them into the German CEL deep end right away. Ease them in. Have some decency. I don’t know, make them learn how to weld first, or how to befriend a welder. Give them some time to develop character before battle.
Whatever doesn’t kill them, etc. And who knows? Maybe whoever is buying Mercedes’ BMW (that’s not confusing, not at all) happens to be a savant with diagnostics & a soldering iron.
Not to mention the environmental benefits even better than an EV!
They’re gonna be in such good shape from all the walking!
In the battle of “which of these will look better while broken down in my driveway”, I guess I’d pick the BMW.
My son and I are electrical engineers, so whether we refurbished, replaced, or upcycled the battery pack into a house battery I’m guessing we could do something with it.
As lovely as the thought of a BMW wagon is, I’m afraid it would be a money pit and never as nice as I would want it to be.
I could actually use the leaf. The BMW would be useless to me.
Sorry Mercedes.
(Though I wouldn’t pay over $500 for either of them.)
I had a regular-ass ’01 525i sedan a while back. Whilst the motor was strong like bull and the driving dynamics were excellent, everything failing around it was total bullshit. Serves me right for assuming that a luxury German car wouldn’t dare use cheap plastics to hold everything together (examples: pinhole leak in the coolant lines and the little arms holding the sunroof up failing TWICE) like lesser vehicles.
I still voted for the Bimmer. At least it’ll go places.
This is by far the most “neither” matchup I’ve had in a while.
ACTUALLY (insert meme face here), ICE engines do lose effective range over time. The difference is in how. As an ICE engine ages, tolerances become looser, parts become clogged, sludge builds up, all of which reduces the MPG produced by the engines when new. Obviously EVs lose it in battery capacity, but the motors are so simple, they basically never lose their efficiency (basically a copper coil around permanent magnets, or two copper coils, or a combination of both). The question is what you want to repair or replace…batteries or engine components.
Also, almost forgot…CEL or no…WAGON IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
Wait a minute, I know these cars…
For a split second I was begrumped and then immediately came to love the joke.
That said, DT could fuel an entire week with a tourney at the end. Rundown Runoff they could call it.
Given how difficult and expensive it is to get a replacement battery for that leaf the choice is simple. You could have the bimmer sorted for a couple hundred bucks and have a nice daily. Tell Mercedes it’s SOLD! Dave can keep his to short grocery runs. Ha!
Usually Friday’s give you some fun options. Usually.
The BMW is somewhat tempting to sort, but the rust reaper will absolutely turn the best intentions into an empty space where your money way. I guess the Leaf is probably more “fixable”, but I honestly have no idea what that means with a battery pack. Cool – I’ll take the leaf and use it for groceries and going to the gym and shit.
The Leaf with a new or remanufactured battery would be excellent, and I could probably install it in a weekend on my dad’s hoist (he also has relevant safety gear for working with EV batteries). The range on that car is more than enough for 95% of my driving, easily, and we make so many short trips that we honestly could keep it topped off with 110 V charging.
Wanted to vote today. But just couldn’t go there.
It’s like asking if I would rather date MTG or Loren Boebert.
Not gonna happen. Sorry.
They’re both $1000 overpriced, but I voted leaf because rust is an instant nope for me.
A guy paid $1,500 for the BMW last night! My initial price was actually $2,500. Oh boy, now that was overpriced!
I unironically love the first generation Nissan Leaf. They are comfortable, efficient, quiet, nice looking cars. I no longer have one, but I would like to get another one at some point. If I could have one preserved ordinary car, it would be an OG Leaf. In the future I will probably be the idiot spending $30,000 for a time capsule Leaf on bring a trailer.
That being said, I voted for the BMW. I am not eligible for any state or federal incentives so I would have to pay the artificially high asking price. In this condition, this is a $750 car at most. I’m not paying $1,800 for this car, particularly when you can get a newer Leaf with a good battery and no damage for $4,500. Government incentives are strongly disincentivizing me and others like me from buying used EVs.
Or lease a new Leaf for $20/month! I know the first-gen Leafs (Leaves?) are known for crummy batteries, but I’m wary of EVs for the long-term. If battery swapping were more commonplace, it’d be worth it. Rust normally has me running, and I didn’t take a good look at the BMW ad, but it’s a better candidate for restoration or at least some triage to slow the decay. The Leaf isn’t worth putting money into.
I would absolutely lease a new Leaf if I could get one of the $20 per month deals. That really is an incredible deal. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen a deal like that in my state.
I think battery swaps/repairs will become common in the future. Someone already mentioned it earlier, but there is a company called Greentec that will replace/upgrade batteries in 1G Leafs. It is expensive so it isn’t a great option for most people, but I could see myself buying a nice but cheap OG Leaf with a bad battery and replacing the battery.
Also, Nissan changed the battery chemistry for 2015 and later models; the updated battery chemistry held up much better than earlier cars. It is common to see 2015-2017 Leafs with most of their original battery capacity (my 2016 had 83% when I sold it at 85k miles).
What you have done here: I see it (feel free to imagine a picture of a pelican all up in someone’s business)
I can make my daily commute with the Bimmer. I’d be a quarter of the way there and then have to start walking in the Leaf.
Although, I am half-tempted to see what IC engines fit in the Leaf chassis.
In the great words of Fats Domino. “I’m Walkin'”
Shoe leather might get a lot of write-in votes.
I see what you did there! That Leaf with a bum battery certainly ain’t going anywhere XD
The Leaf is enough for me to run to the store or a nearby friend’s. I will keep my ICE car for “long distance” (over 15 miles) road trips.
Perhaps I am OCD, but why does “Wanda’ have a full quotation mark on the left and a single apostrophe on the right. I would hope that would scrape off easily, or be covered up with a couple Autopian stickers.
Ah, yeah, that part. I took the picture as I was removing the decal, so you ended up with that weird result. Thankfully, the whole thing came off nicely.
The BMW having a name reminds me of this utterly charming British film made in 1953 titled Genevieve about two young couples who compete in the London to Brighton veteran car rally in their cars, a Darracq named Genevieve and a Spyker, which were just (!!) 49 years old at the time of filming: http://imcdb.org/vehicle_65612-Darracq-10-12-Type-O-1904.html
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_65613-Spyker-14-18-hp-1904.html
One of the protagonists works in London and street-parks the Darracq near his office, what a hero!
Well worth watching and as of this time of posting it’s actually available to watch on several streaming services such as Tubi and Plex. Here in the US when I first saw it it wasn’t available on any streaming services and I had to scare up an old DVD from online. Apparently it’s a popular holiday favorite to watch on TV in England.
I don’t know, I’m kinda fond of Wanda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imE9T8pAQcM
Perfect! I can’t change my vote though. If the choice had been between the Leaf and an RV, it would have been a no-brainer for the RV.
Big German wagons are for bringing people and stuff with you on a trip. An unreliable, rusty one can no longer fulfill its role.
A tiny Japanese EV is for running errands in town. This one can still do that.
While I would love to have a Mercedes 5-series, living in Texas affords a wealth of non-rusty used cars. I’ll take the Tracy Leaf and find a local shop to swap the battery with a reconditioned unit.
Unfortunately for our beloved staff, I’m looking to sell, not buy a car.
Yeah, the Leaf proving it’s just a normal Nissan 😛
And who is Wanda? LOL
I voted for the Leaf