Good morning! Today we’re going to discuss the possible implications of that fateful five-word question: “How bad could it be?” Well, we’ve got a partially-disassembled Jaguar, and a high-end BMW that conked out in a parking lot and hasn’t started since. Neither one is for the faint of heart. Which one will tempt you to make bad choices?
Yesterday we looked at two tiny imports with even tinier engines. There was lots of talk about engine swaps in the Suzuki – and one commenter mentioned a full chassis swap onto a wrecked side-by-side frame – but in the end, the Honda Z600 won out. No need to swap the engine in that one; just get it running again, plant your foot firmly on the gas, and listen to it sing its little song.
Or at least, that’s the way I would go. I’ve always been fascinated by those early high-revving Honda engines, and I’d like to experience one for myself someday. And I’ve spent way too much time screwing around with two-stroke snowmobiles to want to mess with that Suzuki engine. It may only have a dozen moving parts in the whole thing, but there are endless ways for it to run like crap, or not run at all.
Now then: We’ve all done it. Something catches our eye, and we are powerless to resist it, no matter how many warning bells go off in our heads. Old houses, cheap boats, that aspiring model you met at the party – you just know they have the capacity to break your heart, but you go for it anyway. And you learn the hard way. (At least, one would hope.)
In the automotive world, certain cars have similar reputations, BMW and Jaguar among them. They’re nice cars, but fragile and expensive to repair when (not if) something goes wrong. And their appalling depreciation and resulting low prices make them even harder to resist. So what do you say? Let’s put on our Bad Idea Jeans, and take a look at one of each.
1990 Jaguar XJ-S Convertible – $2,500
Engine/drivetrain: 5.3-liter overhead cam V12, three-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Caspar, CA
Odometer reading: 114,000 miles
Operational status: Unclear – but I don’t think it’s drivable
As far as I have ever been able to tell, the only difference between a “grand tourer” and a “personal luxury coupe” is country of origin. They’re both big two-door cars meant to impress onlookers and eat up miles in style, with comfortable interiors and big engines. The Jaguar XJ-S may have succeeded the E-Type, but it was no sports car; it was a lot closer to a British Cadillac Eldorado.
The XJ-S had one thing no Cadillac had been able to boast since the 1930s, however: a twelve-cylinder engine. Jaguar’s High Efficiency V12 grew out of its earlier design and sent nearly 300 horsepower to the car’s rear wheels – at least in Britain. American XJ-Ss made do with a mere 263 horsepower – still nothing to sneeze at in the 80s and early 90s. If I’m reading the ad right, this engine is not original to the car and has only 35,000 miles on it. I think it was just recently installed and is not ready to fire up just yet. I don’t think the radiator has been put back yet.
The car itself has only 114,000 miles, and it looks pretty good. The leather and wood are in decent condition, anyway. The rearview mirror is lying on the center console, but that’s easy enough to re-glue onto the windshield. It is a British car, though, so there’s a good chance that at least some of those electrical switches are inoperative.
It’s in reasonable shape outside, but not great. There’s a pretty good ding in the passenger’s side door, and the grille is missing, though it might be in the trunk or something. The hood is, I think, just set in place, and not yet reattached to its hinges; it looks like it is completely removed in the engine bay photos.
2012 BMW 750Li (Alpina B7?) – $3,990
Engine/drivetrain: Twin-turbocharged, 4.4-liter dual overhead cam V8, six-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Portland, OR
Odometer reading: 106,000 miles
Operational status: Ran fine a month ago, now won’t start
I grew up, as so many enthusiasts my age did, idolizing BMW’s big sedans. The 5- and 7-Series sedans from the 1980s were legendary, with their shark-nosed profiles and their powerful inline sixes. It’s hard to tell exactly when these cars fell from grace; it happened by degrees. The 90s editions gained V8 engines and more rounded shapes, but still looked purposeful. But then, with a Bangle-butt here and a VANOS rattle there, they just got more bloated and complex. By the time they looked like this one, I had lost all interest.
Worse, the reassuring numbering system that had let us all know what was under the hood of any given BMW began to break down around this time. This is a 750, which should have a five-liter engine by the old numbering system, but it does not. It has a 4.4 liter V8, with two turbochargers improbably nestled between the cylinder banks. It’s powerful, certainly – it boasts an output of 400 horsepower or more – but at the cost of some truly frightening reliability problems. This one was bought at auction, parked for a month, and has not been operational since. It will run for a few seconds on starting fluid, which points to a fuel delivery problem, but BMW fuel pumps aren’t easy, or cheap, to replace. The seller seems to know this, and is dumping the car for six thousand dollars less than they paid.
Inside, it’s in nice condition, but of course it’s a hellscape of electronic gobbledygook, centered around that iDrive thingy that everyone hates so much. At least it’s old enough to have some physical controls as well. These are very comfortable cars, no doubt, but I still personally dislike the fact that “luxury” now means electronic crap rather than superb quality.
The seller calls it a 750Li M-Sport, but I don’t think that’s what it is. It has an Alpina badge on the back, and the VIN comes back as an Alpina B7, which would make it quite a bit more special, and more like 500 horsepower. That might make it more worth fixing, but no less expensive or frustrating to troubleshoot.
I guess the good thing about these two is that they’re as cheap as they’re ever going to get, so you have some wiggle room in the budget to whip them back into shape. But it won’t be easy; their current woes are likely just the beginning. Buy low and sell high is the standard advice when investing; with cars like these, I think it’s buy broken and sell running – before they have a chance to break again and break your heart in the process. So which one have you fallen for: the sleek twelve-cylinder Jag, or the lightning-fast spaceship BMW?
(Image credits: sellers)
The Jag. Nice lines, convertible. Hopefully simpler problems to deal with than the BMW though the miles of hose in the engine bay gives me heartburn.
I love bad ideas and lawn art. Gimme the Bimmer
Yikes. Pass on both.
Next up in the Showdown . . . Magic Beans vs. Cow
Nope nope nope all the way to that BMW. I think the dealership knows exactly what is wrong with it, and they know that the cost makes the car effectively totaled. If you offer them a parts car price they might even take it.
The engine bay of the Jag is scary. Maybe that rats nest of wires and vacuum lines is factory correct, but regardless I think it tells you what to expect. It costs less though so it gets my vote today.
Anyone have Sreten’s email from M539 Restorations on youtube?
The Alpina has his name written all over it
Hear, hear!
*adjusts monocle*
Harrumph, harrumph.
I really don’t want either, but I might at least be successful in getting the Jag running.
That’s pretty much my thought on it. Worst case it is a far simpler machine which means it should be a lot easier to drop in a different engine/transmission.
Exactly. Buy a Jags that run kit, and drop a 350 in it if you have to.
If I’m just gonna burn money, I’ll burn the smaller stack.
Jag for me.
The best way to make a small fortune buying BMWs is to start with a large fortune.
Jag all the way. If I’m going to dive headfirst into the insanity of cleaning either of these up, I’m choosing the one that justifies my insanity and doesn’t leave me smelling like Drakkar and weed.
I was on Team Jag even before I saw that the BMW was being offered by a used-car lot that just wants it gone.
I may not be able to trust the Jaaaag’s two owners (edit: and I’d ideally want to see that history documented along with its other parts and services), because they both (or all) bought a Jaaaag, but I sure don’t trust the past two owners of that poor apparent Alpina.
Just… no.
I drove tons of those era BMWs – including B7s and 760iL’s. If that’s an Alpina, it doesn’t have the Alpina engine or any of the Alpina parts and badges anymore. Honestly a 750 of that era really doesn’t feel that special, and you’re in for a torture rack of maintenance and never ending, dealer software required repairs. I would never consider a non-M BMW made after about 2003 w/o a warranty, *especially* the big sedans where ‘tech’ was the priority in design.
And the jag… 3 spd auto and a convertible. Two sins that the rest of the car just can’t rise above in my book.
The E46 330i went to 2005, so that’s my non M cutoff, but yeah I’m with you on all of this.
A place called “Alfa Motors” seems like it should actually specialize in mechanic’s specials…
Also here for the noncommittal search tags at the bottom. Volkswagen misspelled…ok, people do that often, but that’s the only brand they mention. They actually have some decent inventory although they seem to pose every S/CUV with a roof basket.
Voted Jaaaag because Jaaaag, but was searching for the Nope button.
I too scrolled down expecting a ‘Nope’ option.
And here we both are, sorely disappointed.
When a car isn’t even worth $2500 in fake internet money you know its bad.
I voted for the BMW. I think it would be worth risking $3,900 on this car. It would still be a decent deal if you had to spend a few thousand repairing it. Plus, there is always a chance it could be a relatively simple repair. I would take that any day over a 35 year old British project car.
No contest. Jaaaaaaaaaag for me. That V12 can probably be made to purr again. Don’t forget the good AAA membership for when it breaks somewhere rural and scenic.
Those are some pricey paperweights.
Of the two, I’d prefer the Jag – but since neither are really running, I’ll pass.
Buy the Jag and part it out. Hopefully recoup what you spent and on to the next bad decision
The Jag did move somehow for those photos, it is in different spots. I’d rather have the sorted Jag convertible than the 750/B7/whatever it is. So Jag it is.
And who buys an Alpina B7 and doesn’t realize it? I’d imagine most buyers of a decade plus old 7-series are buying it for the flex, so it is a head scratcher that the ad wouldn’t be screaming ALPINA, unless they really don’t know what they are doing beyond “want a big BMW”.
Today both of these shit boxes get a resounding NO vote. YMMV as always.
What does it mean when a 1990 Jaguar V12 is the better and more reliable car over a BMW?
The Jaaaag is something I’d actually be excited about, a car I’d look forward to seeing and wrenching on out in the garage. Being a Jaguar, I’d already know the odds would be slim of bringing it up to daily-status anytime soon, but it would be fun to try. And, if things don’t go as planned, small-block Chevy conversions on these things are a known quantity. British Eldorado it is.
Don’t Alpinas have the Alpina badge on the steering wheel? I guess this could have a replacement steering wheel after a crash or something. More red flags. The Jag it is.
Usually steering wheel, engine bay, and the Alpina rims, lack of these make it very sketchy in my mind.
Ooh, I was gonna send this to tips@, but i’d rather send it here directly! Please pick two cars from this site I just saw a commercial for today. There are a few gems here 🙂
https://www.swflauto.com/
Is this the one with the commercials that have that coked-up sweaty guy urging people to sell him their car? It’s like every other ad on WINK!
You know that’s right, lol. Dude likes to slide in the ol’ “We aren’t owned by a hedge fund” line as a cherry on top.
And as for my two picks from that site it would have to be the Hyundai XG350 and the John Deere Backhoe Loader. The perfect two-car garage right there.
Those are good choices! I am partial to the H2 and wrap it in camo or maybe that diamond-pattern metal look.
Scrolling through the list it all seemed pretty reasonable. Then suddenly and H2 and and H3. Those are the two that should face off.
The Jag should have a TH-400 transmission. I’ll sell the 12 and just drop a 454 in it.
You can do that…with an adapter kit
While the internals are TH-400-based, the bell-housing and TCM are unique to Jaguar. A GM engine will not just bolt right up. I found this out when the transmission–which is 4L80-based–in my 1996 XJ12 had to be rebuilt.
This is also true for the Bentley and Rolls-Royce models that used GM transmissions into the 90s and early 2000s.
I took the Jag on cost alone. It is a basket case, it worth more in parts.