I’m someone who has a lot of fondness for old, obsolete media. In my office, I am surrounded by, let’s see, six different old computers that use 5.25″ floppy drives (ranging from 90K to 360K) as their primary storage medium, two that use two different formats of 3.5″ floppies, and between five and seven that use some manner of cassette-based storage. Then there’s all the different cartridge-based consoles, and even one that can also use these funny little cards. There’s an eight-inch floppy hanging on my wall, too, and a big Bullwinkle laserdisc down here. I clearly have some perverse love for old media. And yet, despite all this, I hate compact discs (CDs) and am happy they’re gone.
That’s right, I said it: fuck CDs. Granted, this take is probably at least a decade or maybe even two too late to, you know, matter, but I have been encountering more and more people who profess some nostalgia for those shiny discs, and to those people I just have to say, with all due respect, knock it off. CDs are not worth your nostalgia, because they’re charmless and clumsy and cumbersome, and it’s good we’ve moved on.


More specifically, I think CDs were especially garbage when it came to using them in cars, one of the best places to listen to music, period. I’m not just saying this from some elevated and removed position of objective assessment, this all comes from someone who was there, dammit, who lived with these things and wanted them to be great, only to be sorely disappointed.
I tried, dammit. I tried to like these things, because when they first hit the scene, it was genuinely exciting. The first commercial CD came out in 1982, and everyone lost their shit. It was being hyped all over the media, where they claimed it was the perfect new medium, completely resistant to dust and scratches, and would make everything else obsolete:
Much of this is, of course, absolutely true: lasers did read the music off the disc, they were compact, the audio quality was great, but everything about dust and scratch resistance was complete horseshit. CDs were fragile and annoying.
When I got my first CD player, the medium was about 6 or 7 years old; I started with cassettes in my first cars, a ’68 Volkswagen Beetle, soon to be replaced by a ’71 Super Beetle. I finally got a cheap portable CD player for my car maybe around my senior year of high school, and used one of those cassette adapters to connect it to my terrible Sparkomatic speakers I had clumsily installed in my doors.
That’s when I learned how absurdly sensitive CDs were to skipping. A Beetle is hardly the smoothest car in the world, but my cassettes never cared a bit about that. These princesses that were CDs, though, would panic at the slightest jostle, stuttering and restarting, and being unable to get through the first 10 seconds of a song.

Eventually, I came up with a solution like you see above, crudely illustrated from hazy memories. In order to get the damn thing to play any song I had to carefully fold at least two layers of impact-absorbing hoodies or sweatshirts or towels and place that under the CD player, which would then be placed squarely in the center of the passenger seat, so the cushioning and springing of the seat could help the process of coddling His Majesty The Great And Sensitive CD Player just right.
Of course, this was useless if you had a friend with you in the car, and the whole setup required near-constant maintenance and monitoring. But somehow I stuck with it, babying this absurd contraption for hours and hours on road trips, just so I could listen to, say, Hey or Lovecats or Rock Lobster at full volume.
Now, sure, many cars came with in-dash CD players, ones specifically engineered for the automotive environment, and those did not skip. They were vastly better. But, even with the right equipment, CDs still sucked.
The problem is that the physical form of a CD is simply not well-suited to being played in a car. The disc itself is far too fussy about how it must be handled. Remember holding CDs by their edges, being careful not to get any fingerprints on the bottom, because then it wouldn’t play? That’s ridiculous.
Drop one on your car’s floor? The CD is likely boned. Have any crap on your floormats that could scratch a sensitive CD’s surface? Of course you do, because everything could scratch them. Saying the word “grit” to a CD loudly enough could scratch it.
Compare that to plastic cassette tapes, which could be lost in your car for months, until finally found under a floor mat, partially adhered to the carpet via a combination of mud, grime, and probably some vomit. You could just pick it up, give it a quick perfunctory wipe on your pant leg to get off the biggest chunks, thunk it in the cassette slot on your head unit, and that motherfucker would play.
Not only that, but the packaging that CDs came in were awful, too. “Jewel cases” is what they were called, and they were miserable, miserable things.

Remember those? Even outside of a car, in the stable environment of a home on dry, non-seismic ground, they also sucked. If you had a stack of them, their nearly non-existent surface friction meant that every stack of three or more CDs was likely to come crashing down if you just looked at it too intently.
And whenever these cases encountered even the slightest bit of physical trauma, one or both of those little hinge tabs on the cover would break off, making the whole thing an even less stable mess.
Because these cases were such garbage, most people, especially for in-car purposes, would take their CDs out of the cases, then slide all of their CDs into these big binder things:

The binders themselves were a decent solution to the considerable problem of CD storage, but then you were left with big stacks of empty, usually somewhat broken jewel cases, which still usually had all of the album art and liner notes you wanted to save, so they just took up space somewhere, devaluing everything around them.
Yes, CDs let you jump to any track. Great. They could hold a good amount of music. Fine. I would have sacrificed either of those traits for a music medium that was less of a hassle to handle, use, store, maintain, everything. Cassettes were better. Vinyl records have their own kind of novel charm. What do CDs have?
Fuck-all, that’s what. Well, wait, I take that back: the lightning show they’d give when you put them in a microwave was pretty fun:
Aside from that, CDs were garbage, and I’m so glad not to have to deal with them anymore. For a good 20 years, these things were absolutely everywhere, and it was hell. I know it’s annoying to have to re-buy all your music on new formats, but I was happy to do it when everything went digital.
I get nostalgia for obsolete media. Of course I do. But I cannot give CDs that sort of attention, because they did not and never will deserve it. The current noncorporeal nature of modern music playing in cars, where everything is streamed from the internet or a USB drive or something like that may lack a certain character, but it’s so much better to live with.
So, if you’re young and being lured by the shiny, rainbow-reflecting allure of the CD, perhaps considering starting a semi-ironic collection of your own, hear this: stop. Don’t do it.
Go further back and collect cassette tapes, or even 8-tracks, which were also garbage but at least they were fun garbage. CDs are not fun. They’re the self-satisfied prima donnas of music media, and I will happily support launching all remaining ones into the sun.
So there.
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I started driving in the 90’s. I had none of the issues you claim in my 1987 Jimmy with an aftermarket CD player. CDs were WAY better than cassettes. Add in a multidisc changer – with discs that you burned with just the good songs from each album and you had hours and hours of music without every changing a disk
Now digital is even better but CDs were a step change improvement at the time.
That is one hot take you have Jason so I hope you like all the clicks you’re generating. In the early years of CD car audio, yes, the diskman sitting on the seat sucked. I also had an old JVC indash cd player that actually had a tray that slid out ( very close to how PCs do it). After that though, all the indash players I had rarely skipped and those 6 disk cd changers were great for about a weeks worth of music.
CDs still sound better than any streaming or MP3 in most OEM systems that still have a CD slot. I will say, I like the fact I can load a ton of songs to a USB stick and play them on random. I will die on the hill of CDs sound clearer though.
My Pioneer radio’s CD player is far better then it’s Bluetooth. Never had a CD skip or stop playing at random times!
It also can play DVD’s. Too a cool like 360p I think. Or maybe that was the Tony Hawk disc I tried lol
From my cold, dead hands. Also as of last Sunday I am now Laserdisc man.
The last couple of cars I had with CD players had changers, so you could just load the 6 you most wanted to listen to and not worry about fumbling around. I don’t think I ever experienced a skipping issue post-1980s, and generally found CDs way less sensitive and temperamental than cassette tapes, which I’ve never liked (more like tolerated when there wasn’t a viable alternative, but I always felt they sucked).
Cassettes warp if you leave them in the sun, the tape can unspool and get jammed, then you need to carefully disentangle it from the tape deck and rewind with a pencil, and you’re going to have loss anywhere there was a crease, plus tapes wear out over time, the more you play one, the worse it is. Today, you have to deal with 35-40 year old used tapes with noisy or sticking spools, and any tape player ever made that hasn’t had its belts replaced yet needs them replaced right now, because they all went bad by now
That said, a working cassette player in a car is probably more useful than a CD player at this point, because you can run a Bluetooth adapter in a tape player, but there’s no such thing for CD
I think cassettes are much better than most people give them credit for. I have plenty of cassettes that are over 40 years old and the sound quality is still impressive. Tape decks for automotive use are less than seller however, since they’re prone to collecting dust and grime. That’s when the pinch rollers can get sticky and cause it to eat a tape.
Dang, just when you think you know someone.
Your initial trials with portable players in cars aside, modern players work great. I literally last month got a Sony double din off Ebay for my Ranger EV with CD/DVD player and Carplay, the unexpected part is it only plays audio cds, no mp3 cds, which is fine because again Carplay, but it means I can grab one of the over 300 CDs I have on the wall in our office for the ride and be instantly transported to a different time.
I can also spend hours whittling down playlists to the best 20 songs to rip to an audio CD, and if I want again, carplay for the entire playlist.
I remember tapes, tapes sucked, Dolby NR just killed the treble to try and reduce hiss, the actual radio station sounded better than tape, not CD, CD sounds clean, and if you get a nice AAD create one it sounds so much richer.
Harumph! Harumph I say!
I wholeheartedly agree. I spent a week using CD’s from my collection in a newly-purchased old BMW that didn’t have aux-in but had a factory CD player, and I remembered just how annoying CD’s were to use. It’s such a hassle to change them while driving, and having to open and close a bunch of fragile plastic cases was very irritating. I was extremely happy once I got my Bluetooth setup installed (BlueBus) and was able to just listen to music off of my phone like a civilized person.
I’m gonna push back on this one a little bit, even as a young person. It’s a lot more fiddly to have to search up music on my phone while moving than it is to hit the eject button and swap a disc while barely having to look down from the road.
Swapping the discs is the tricky part unless you have one of those big CD cases, and even them it’s rather cumbersome. Also with a phone you can just put on a big playlist or queue up several albums before you drive if you know you’ve got a long drive ahead of you, that’s what I do. That being said, I’m pretty good at switching music on my phone without looking away from the road so I find it to be a smooth experience.
Sorry, Jason but this is a horrible take and not a hill to die on.
I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s and CD’s were and still are lightyears better than cassettes or 8-tracks.
Vinyl I still like because it’s a different experience but you can take all magnetic audio media and light it on fire for all I care.
Disagreeeeeeeeeeeee
I do collect CDs. Why? It’s the highest quality, easily digitizable means to find a lot of music that has never made it onto streaming services. In my case it’s a bunch of obscure Australian classical music, but it’s always fun to find an album at Goodwill too that has just escaped Spotify’s grasp. To be fair, I rarely play them as-is and generally use the digital files I rip onto my PC, but regardless this is music that isn’t available any other way.
That said, I also don’t remember CDs being as fussy as you say they were. My dad, an avid listener of NPR’s ‘Wait, Wait…Don’t Tell Me!’ used to burn hundreds of discs with an episode on each to listen to on road trips, and they played just fine even with a few scratches and/or fingerprints in the ’05 Odyssey. That underlines the next best part of CDs—that you could easily and cheapy burn a few MP3s onto one in no time on the home PC to play in the car. Keep in mind these were cars from that horrible interim period in the 2000s with no cassette, no aux-in jack, ONLY CD and FM/AM. And even a CD with a few compressed MP3s still beats the awful reception of an FM transmitter.
I have a couple hundred CDs. I love the format. Then the industry decided streaming was the thing. I’ve simply said no way you can f*ck off.
I disagree with you on this one.
Also: CDs were expensive! Ten 1990 dollars for one album – and the music industry took the opportunity to stop releasing singles. Even blanks were pricey enough that you felt the loss of a destroyed one. Nobody did the microwave light show until the early 00s when they’d become the standard for PC data storage and AOL started junk-mailing them by the millions.
When CD’s came out, cassettes were $8.99 for a new release, I never thought CD’s were THAT expensive for media that, theoretically, wouldn’t wear out. I remember buying two cassette copies of the double-album Pink Floyd’s The Wall while in HS at $17.99 each, as the thinner tape of a double-album cassette didn’t last very long in the cheap cassette decks we all had. That hurt at a time when I was making $3.35 an hour.
Regarding portable CD players, I guess it depended on the car and model. I had a Kenwood CD player with the anti-skip buffer routed into the tape player of my Oldsmobile. There was a spot at the bottom of the center dash stack where it fit pretty perfectly. It skipped if you hit a big pot hole or something, but was fine for the most part. CD players built in to the head unit had zero issues.
I also started driving in the late 90’s. I do not remember there being much of a cassette section anymore at the local Circuit City or where ever else music was for sale. It was CD or radio. So CDs it was.
Eventually I ripped copies of most of my CDs, so I didn’t worry too much about scratching them up. And then came MP3 CD mixes on burned CDs too. Toss it in the seat on a road trip, put it away later. I rarely scratched up a CD so bad that it was not functional.
As soon as the head units with a USB slot appeared though, I bought one and put hundreds of songs on a thumb drive. Then an iPod. Now I stream it.
I still have a CD in my car though as a backup to the backup (iPod Touch still going). The CD still sounds good at least, better than cassettes ever did.
And I believe Sony offered us the best of both worlds – the MiniDisc, but no one bought them.
MiniDiscs were so awesome. Such a great media. I often travel by bicycle and back in the day, they were the best media for custom mixes, size and sound quality. Too bad they never took off.
If there had been minidiscs instead of CDs the world would be a better place.
Oh Lord Andy, did you not take a morning dump today?
I don’t have time to do a brutal takedown of this screed, but it is wrong. Comparing CDs to cassettes reveals a tin ear not qualified to speak on the matter. And all the problems Jason had with those cheap portable players is due to them being cheap. My Sony D-25 Discman had a larger buffer and thus would play in a car just fine. Scratched CDs could indeed be a problem, but any scratch on vinyl was a guaranteed problem. I also repaired some scratched CDs which is not possible with any other medium. Sure cassettes were more reliable, but pre-recorded ones sounded like crap in comparison and had a nasty habit of wrapping around capstans.
I’d classify almost every problem Jason had as user error. If you treat your media like some utility that owes you performance, you’re going to be sorely disappointed as Jason was/is. If you stacked any of my vinyl records, you’d be buying me replacements. If you threw one of my mix tapes recorded on Maxell XLII-S tapes with Dolby C noise reduction to the floor of the car, you’d be walking. If you didn’t put a CD back in it’s proper storage and it’s becomes unplayable, you’re buying me a replacement. All music storage mediums are optimized to provide the best sound, not be monkey proof. Basically, you’ll get back exactly what you put in. If you store your CDs in piles on the floor and then try to play them on a $17 portable player, yeah, you’re going to hear what you deserve.
Love you Jason, but dude…
buy cheap crappy electronics and get crappy results, spend some money on good junk you cheap prickAs someone who grew up largely after physical media in general, I think CDs are pretty good. I don’t remember significant skipping in my dad’s 2000 Civic player, and I think you’re significantly underrating the awfulness of magnetic tape spinning around separate coils as well.
In the mid-nineties, I took a road trip from VA to NC to Denver, CO. I bought a portable CD player to use in the rental car, along with one of those tape adapters that you insert into the car’s head unit. I carefully curated a selection of CDs for my CaseLogic wallet, and even had a little pillow for the CD player to rest on, to reduce skippage.
Unfortunately, the cassette deck had ‘auto-reverse’ and when I inserted the tape adapter, it just kept trying to flip the tape. Foiled!
We ended up borrowing books on tape from friends. and renting some others at Cracker Barrel.
Finally someone agrees with me. CDs in a car in this day and age is asinine. I hitched a ride on this ship 10 years ago. All my music, perhaps 600-700 CDs and LPs are all digitized in FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) so they quality is equal to a CD. I have a couple of 32 gb pendrives, each with around 30 albums and I rotate them every couple of months. As easy as peeing the bed.
Your LPs are digitized? Just curious what you used?
I use a U-Phone UFO202 (Amazon, around $20) to interface the turntable to my PC. I use Audacity to manage the recording, and to clean up the results and split the tracks, which is the most time consuming part, besides letting the LP play through. I don’t take the time to do this very often, so I made a list of the process so as not to miss any steps. The list is 47 steps long. Yes, it takes a while, but I am committed. Or perhaps, I should be…
I drive a 2012 model year car with a AM/FM/CD player. It doesn’t have Android or Apple whatever. And, I don’t want to pay Spotify/Amazon/Whoever else to listen to music via BT on my phone.
So, my choices are:
A> The 3 radio stations that I can kind of pick up and like.
B> Listen to the vast collection of CDs, I already own.
And, I just have a little CD wallet that straps onto my sun visor that holds about 10 disc. I swap them out every few weeks or so.
Back in High School the 90s, I had a 1976 Toyota Pickup, with a Realistic (The old Radio Shack in house brand) Cassette deck, and a portable Sony Discman with the adapter. Never had issues with skipping or interruption’s, because it was a quality device that had built-in anti-skip and read-ahead tech that worked great.
Somewhere I still have the Realistic 7-band equalizer and Clarion Cassette Deck from Mom’s 77 LeBaron. Bought it from one of her friends who was a real audiophile! Both were transfered to Dad’s 80 Datsun pickup and my 78 Fairmont along the line. I MISS RADIO SHACK!
Sounds good, but too much work to make it worthwhile. I can’t even keep up with my social calendar.
What are you using to play FLAC? Can’t just plug those into the car dash last I tried. Have they started supporting FLAC in cars?
Yeesh I remember growing up and my mom’s 99 Grand Prix always had a bunch of CDs under the passenger side sun visor so any time you needed it was a giant surprise of CDs falling all over you.
Ripped most of my CD collection onto an old Android phone with an SD card. The native USB reader on my Toyota is terrible and this works better as a solution. I use a 3.5mm plug and operate using the phone touchscreen.
Potentially long post incoming…
Rarely do two oddball situations align well enough to permit a reasonable comparison, but here we are: in the very early 1990s I was using CDs in a 1972 Super Beetle. 😮
When bought the SB it had a similarly tragic tape deck and door speakers, but a friend had given me a Sony DiscMan(tm) in which the battery had died but the player still worked when plugged in either to AC or to a 12V lighter socket.
Using it in the car was an issue, as VWs from that era did not come with cigarette lighter sockets. One morning on a day off, I awoke around 3am with an epiphany: I could wire in my own socket under the hood and connect it to a 12v switched terminal so it would be hot when the key was on! I waited impatiently until Radio Shack finally opened and luckily they had one in stock – huzzah!
I went home, consulted the VW wiring diagram, wired up the socket, and tested it – success. Now what?
Rummaging through some random stereo parts, I found a small 40W-per-channel amplifier. Hmm. Hey, this amp has the red and white RCA inputs – what if I connected a patch cord from the 1/8″ headphone jack on the Sony to the amp? That would get me output AND I could use the volume control on the player to… control the volume.
That left the need for speakers. Fortunately, at that time in history there were MTX behind-the-seat speaker boxes for mini pickup trucks *everywhere*. They generally had subs and tweeters, and some had midrange drivers as well. I swapped a pair of tires to another friend for a lightly-used behemoth, plunked it in the cargo well behind the rear seat, and wired it up. SUCCESS!!
I now had a stereo that would handle the digital cannons on the 1812 Overture CD, and it did not skip even thought the SB was slammed 4+ inches in the front. The end.
PS The amp lived in the glove compartment and the Discman sat on top of it. While playing, the glovebox door remained open to let the heat out. When the car was parked, the electronics were hidden from view.
This is true Audio Engineering.
Audiophile, even.
I don’t think there has ever been a totally satisfactory physical, transferable media format that could long survive in a car. Had too many 8-tracks and cassettes eaten by players to ever be happy with those. CDs just added the inconvenience of special handling requirements, which is just what you need while driving, another distraction. That’s why the only formats I accept in my car are AM and FM. Screw satellite radio and its constant juice sucking, battery killing ways. Begone Bluetooth, and CarPlay and its ilk. WiFi fo fum, I smell the death of info freedom. Now EVs are killing AM. Well, that and right-wing media ownership. Fuck it. I’m riding in silence from now on.
I prefer radio but I am often in places I am too far away from a decent Public radio station or decent modern rock station and I would rather have my head in the catalytic converter than listen to country music or religious programming.
You’d think country stations could play music from more than just one country.
That was a fantastically funny comment! I am often far enough north to ignore Canadian country music also.
It’s easy to say from our current perspective that CDs were bad because they could get scratched, etc. But they were, and are, so much better than LPs and cassettes. The only thing LPs have going for them is big album art.
I had a car that came with a 6-CD changer. At some point I replaced that with a deck that would play CD-Rs loaded with MP3s, and that was great because I could get about 10 albums-worth of music on one CD-R. Skipping wasn’t a problem because the deck had enough read-ahead memory, and really, it was only the earliest CD players that lacked this. I had one of those little CD wallets that lashed to my sun visor and held 10 or so discs. That was a lot of music to be able to carry around. And because I was just carrying MP3 CDs, I wasn’t worried about the original media getting scratched up.
The car that replaced that one (which I still drive) has a USB port, and I thought “cool, I’ll load up a thumb drive with a lot of music.” And technically that does work, but it takes forever for the car stereo to read in the file index. So I play music off my phone, which is fine.
I remember when I got my first aftermarket MP3 CD head unit in my car and started burning discs. I picked up my girlfriend, and as we got in the car I popped in a disc labelled, “Aerosmith”.
“Which album is that?” she asked innocently.
I lowered my sunglasses, looked into her soft brown eyes, and replied, “All of ’em, baby.”
At least that’s how I remember it. If I had to guess, I’d say the girl doesn’t remember it at all……
The only way this story would have been better is if the band had been Foghat.
“Sparkomatic” just sent me on nostalgic trip back in time to the halcyon days of my teen years. I stuffed one of their head units into my 76 Mercury Montego. No auto-reverse, but it was superheterodyne.
CDs were better than cassette tapes. Not only did cassette tapes not sound as good, but they also tended to stretch and give these weird sounds where the tape was up against the head on a hot day. Finally, there was the dreaded thing of not hearing a “CHUNK” from the eject button but a “Chrunchsssss” which meant if you were lucky you had to spend 10 minutes with a pencil, but most likely meant you had to throw that tape out and hope the stupid player didn’t eat the next one.
I agree that CDs skipped at weird times, But Cassettes sucked. Oh and as for Vinyl. You got about 10 good playings out of a record before it would start skipping or hissing or something. Smart people used those 10 playings to make cassette copies.