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E Is For: 1976 Excalibur Series III Phaeton vs 1990 Eagle Talon TSi

Sbsd 3 21 2025
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Happy Friday! We’re at the end of the first week of our tour of the alphabet, and we’re celebrating the letter E with two cars with seriously mixed-up lineages. The prices are way different, I realize, but that’s okay, because I say it is.

For yesterday’s matchup, I almost had to give up and find another D car in place of a Daewoo. They are not easy cars to find for sale these days. The only other Daewoo I found was a red Lanos hatchback that was up to its axles in a blackberry bramble, and probably had been for at least a decade. I almost went with that one, but this Leganza had better photos. In either case, I didn’t expect it to win, and I was right.

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That cute little Daihatsu Mira hatchback is the kind of car I love: small, lightweight, simple, and with roughly the same energy as a pug attacking an ice cream cone. It’s probably not a “keeper,” but as something to fix up, enjoy for a year or so, and then sell for what you’ve got into it, it could be a whole lot of fun in a small package.

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When you start digging into the history of the auto industry, it’s pretty amazing how much cross-pollination there is between companies. Smaller makers buy components from larger ones, joint ventures produce weird cross-breeds, and auto execs jump from company to company and often take their preferences and ethos with them. Almost no cars are the pure vision of just one person, or company. Today’s cars both have some really mixed-up family trees – and that might be the only thing they have in common. Let’s check them out.

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1976 Excalibur Series III Phaeton – $33,500

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Engine/drivetrain: 454 cubic inch overhead valve V8, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL

Odometer reading: 49,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great

The whole neo-classical car phenomenon is a little strange. It’s hard for me to believe there are enough people who want to buy a car that looks like a 1920s Mercedes but drives like a 1960s Impala, but plenty of companies tried it, and they all sold at least some cars. One of the more successful companies, Excalibur, of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, started out as a Studebaker show car, designed by Brooks Stevens. Studebaker passed on the idea, but the Excalibur went into production anyway. About 3,500 Excaliburs were built over the course of twenty-seven years – not bad for a tiny company that made most of the car itself.

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Production Excaliburs all had Chevrolet V8s. Corvette 327 small-blocks were used in the early days, but this Series III car has a big-block 454, backed by a Turbo-Hydramatic 400 transmission. With a full complement of malaise-era smog equipment, this big engine only manages 215 horsepower, but it provides a good soundtrack; those side-exhaust pipes coming out of the hood are functional, not just decorative. Roaring V8 exhaust, and Roaring Twenties bodywork – it’s sort of like The Great Gatsby meets Southern Culture On The Skids.

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In contrast to the many kit car manufacturers active at the same time, Excalibur did the thing right – these cars are comfortable, and well put together, from what I’ve heard. This is the four-seat Phaeton model, with nice-looking leather seats, and a full set of gauges that all work fine. It has had some recent mechanical work, and runs like a top, the seller says.

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The bodywork on an Excalibur is fiberglass, or course, but well-done fiberglass. This one is in good condition, with only a few rock chips to tell the tale of its 49,000 miles. No worries; nobody wants a flawless car anyway. It has new tires, and includes the full convertible top and side curtains, which look like they’re in nice shape as well.

1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD – $7,500

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Engine/drivetrain: Turbocharged 2.0-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, AWD

Location: Zanesville, OH

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Odometer reading: 180,000 miles

Operational status: Doesn’t say, actually – I assume it runs fine

Chrysler’s purchase of American Motors in 1987 made for some really strange showroom-mates. This Eagle Talon is a product of Diamond-Star Motors, a joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi, but it was sold alongside Jeeps and rebadged Renaults, as well as other Mitsubishi products. I feel sorry for mechanics at Jeep-Eagle dealerships in 1990; imagine having to know the ins and outs of AMC’s inline six, the notorious PRV V6, and this car’s turbocharged twin-cam four.

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The DSM factory in Normal, Illinois produced these sporty coupes with not only Eagle badges, but Mitsubishi and Plymouth as well. Three levels of power were offered; this turbocharged 2.0 liter version was the top dog, with 190 horsepower delivered to a complex all-wheel-drive system through a five-speed manual. These cars were seriously quick in their day, and became a darling of the tuner crowd. Stock Talons and Mitsubishi Eclipses are getting hard to find these days. (Plymouth only sold about six Lasers, I think, so hardly anybody even remembers them.) This one looks stock, but the seller has provided absolutely no information about its condition, so it’s hard to say for sure.

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It looks good inside and appears to be stock in there as well – right down to the factory stereo, which has an in-dash cassette deck and a CD player. Fancy stuff for 1990. The car has 180,000 miles on it, but only the sagging driver’s seat outer bolster shows it. Unfortunately, like all first-generation DSM coupes, it does have those dumb motorized shoulder belts.

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Outside, it’s got a bit of rust, though it’s hard to say how much exactly, because of those plastic lower skirts on the body. The right front fender has a hole in it, which isn’t a good sign. It’s one of the dangers of driving a cool AWD car in the Rust Belt – it’s great in the snow, but you pay for it.

I can’t imagine anyone in their right mind cross-shopping these two, but no one has ever accused me of being in my right mind. So I’m making you choose between a neo-classical hot rod convertible and a fire-breathing early 90s sports coupe. Next week, we’re continuing with the alphabet, with F through J. See you then!

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Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
6 hours ago

Eagle Talon… always liked those cars so it gets my vote… especially given it’s way cheaper.

Now about that Excalibur… My memory of them (like most of these neoclassics) from the 1980s was how they usually sold them with cheap-assed, low-performance versions of the Chevy 305 or Ford 302 engines.

Was a little surprised when I read that it had a 454 big block engine.

But having said that, the asking price for that Excalibur is pure crack pipe.

Just because it’s rare doesn’t mean it’s valuable. Plus these things have always been cheesy and never had the stylistic attention to detail that the original cars they were styled after had.

I look at those VW Beetle tail lights along with other cheesy details and it reinforces my view that as expensive luxury cars, these have always been a cheesy joke.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
6 hours ago

Yes to the cheesy joke. Excalibur fans will point out those are Hella lights. And they have All rear light functions in one housing.

AlterId is disillusioned, but still hallucinating
AlterId is disillusioned, but still hallucinating
1 hour ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

Well, if Torch is allowed to vote (I suspect that, like the Royal Family, he is not), I think this tells us which one he’d choose.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
52 minutes ago

The argument could be made that VW uses Excalibur lights

SAABstory
SAABstory
7 hours ago

The Excalibur is the automotive version of the Sister Christian scene in Boogie Nights. I’ll take the Talon.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
7 hours ago

The Excalibur is the car equivalent of a guy who believes no means yes.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
6 hours ago

And the problem is? 🙂

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
3 hours ago
Reply to  Arrest-me Red

When they finally have a reason to test his DNA, it matches about a dozen cold cases.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
7 hours ago

Excalibur is not a kid car, it was made in a factory by car builders. It was the fifth or sixth largest car company about the size of Checker.
There were the big three, AMC, then Excalibur and Checker, bringing up the rear

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
6 hours ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

It might not have been a kit car, but with all the little details in the design that scream “CHEAP”, it still ends up looking like a kit car.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
6 hours ago

They started looking cheap(er) after the series 1
IMO the S1 are cute

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
6 hours ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

I was looking at some that were for same and this example from 1975:
https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1911480/1975-excalibur-series-ii-for-sale-in-st-louis-missouri-63114

Seems to have way more attention to detail. By 1977, they had the Beetle tail lights and other details that indicated ill-advised cheapening of the design.

Car Guy - RHM
Car Guy - RHM
7 hours ago

I could never figure out the market for the cheesy replicars between the Excalibur’s, the Glassic phaetons, the Bugatti replicars.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
6 hours ago
Reply to  Car Guy - RHM

They all seem to be in Florida, so that’s a clue.

Red865
Red865
5 hours ago
Reply to  Car Guy - RHM

I always thought of them as for ‘old money’ posers.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
7 hours ago

I would do bad things to that Excalibur. Big meats out back and a tunnel ram through the hood!

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
7 hours ago

I know that I’m in the minority here, but I freaking love the neo classical stuff, and especially with a GM big block?! The price seems reasonable for that, but I honestly have no idea. I love it and would happily drive that thing for years!

Red865
Red865
5 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

The big block powertrain is the only thing attractive to me on this one….bet it sounds good though!

Protodite
Protodite
4 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Yeah I find it so utterly bizarre and I like the attempt to do something different. I don’t love them, but I do enjoy them! Something that really gets me is that these things get hate while the also bizarre and ugly Japanese cars like Miruoka trade in the same kind of not-really-fitting-old-style-to-new-vehicle-very-well gig, but seem to get lots of love. Why the difference?

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
4 hours ago
Reply to  Protodite

Most people I know hate the Mitsuoka Le Seyde as well haha. I would love one! It’s a Silvia that looks like this, what’s not to love?!

Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
7 hours ago

The Talon and it’s not lose at all.

My kid loves british mysteries and the Excalibur looks like it would be perfect parked in front of a manor until you get to the interior.

Who wanted this as an automatic, why isn’t it at least a column shifter, and good lord the stereo. Was it mounted with a hacksaw? A hidden stereo that works with Carplay/Android Auto would be amazing here but not good enough with that ugly outdated while simultaneously being anachronistic shifter.

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
7 hours ago

As for the Excalibur, it’s perfect that it’s in Ft Lauderdale. When I was a kid, we moved to Miami for 7 years, and aside from the many Porsches (only place I’ve ever lived where they were everyday sightings), the main thing I remember is cars like these, although most of them were shitty kits. I’ll admit that this is clearly a step up, but I am not the kind of person who would enjoy being the center of that kind of attention.

Oh yeah, and jacked up pickups with gun racks. That was the other signature vehicle of Miami, especially the further south you went on US 1, aka Dixie Highway.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
7 hours ago

Hey, my Mom bought one of those 6 Lasers! She loved that car so much she still has the Owners Manual and when I jokingly asked for it one time she said “I had to get rid of the car when I had you, so unless you get me a new Laser, I’m keeping this book!”

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
7 hours ago
Reply to  Ron Gartner

Funny, my mom got her Laser when she got rid of me—my HS graduation, her present. I was handed down the Grand Am.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
6 hours ago
Reply to  Jason Roth

Should have flunked Senior Year, she’d have more time to save up for a Mustang!

Data
Data
7 hours ago
Reply to  Ron Gartner

Your mom sounds hilarious. 🙂

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
6 hours ago
Reply to  Data

She’s quite the character! Back when she sold the Laser, she bought a 3rd gen Jetta and blasted around Wisconsin and later Ohio with me, and later my sister and I, in the backseat. It was a VR6 with a manual transmission, of course. I have pictures somewhere of her putting a Christmas wreath on the rear window with suction cups for Christmas.

She later sold that and bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.2 V8. She insisted for an exhaust because it sounded “cool”. After my parent’s divorce, she bought an exhaust and I learned what a burnout was as she left the exhaust shop.

That Jeep finally blew up the transfer case right before I turned 16, so she bought a Ford Escape and finally settled down on the fun cars. I used that Escape as my car for driving tests and going around at 16 to friend’s houses until I got my car. She currently has a Ford F150 that my Stepdad gave her. We’re currently working to find her a Green, 2 door, manual, Bronco that’s in the right price range for her.

Matt Sexton
Matt Sexton
6 hours ago
Reply to  Ron Gartner

Friend of mine had a DSM Laser as well. For some reason they decided that at 6’4″, I was the one who should ride in the back seat. Pro Tip: The back seat is for kids. Little ones.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
6 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Sexton

As a 6’7″ guy in high school, I was always jokingly told to ride in the backseat. Sometimes I did, just for the laugh. DSM coupes, ZX2 Escorts, and Pontiac Grand Am rear seats are all built for little kids.

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
4 hours ago
Reply to  Ron Gartner

A friend of mine received a Laser as a college graduation present from her parents. If I remember correctly, this car told you that your door was a jar.

StillPlaysWithCars
StillPlaysWithCars
7 hours ago

I’d rather have the Talon but some of this pictures are show that the plastic body cladding is hiding quite a bit of rust. If it were priced in accordance with condition I’d go Talon but as it stands I see a $3k car that maybe has 3 years left before it crumbles. Guess I’ll live out the 2020s great Gatsby style.

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
7 hours ago

Both of my parents had Lasers: my mom got a base model in teal (her first car was a TR3, she didn’t need a lot of power), then a couple years later my dad replaced his ’83 Supra with a turbo Laser in red (I’m pretty sure the AWD was a major factor in north Jersey). My mom also talked one of my HS classmates into getting a Laser as her graduation car.

And actually, I was temporarily driving my dad’s Laser when I met my wife 25 years ago—she’s not a car person, and I had to explain my usual ride was not a bright red sports car.

So yeah, obviously I picked the Eagle. At the time I thought it looked the best of the 3, not that there was much differentiation in that first generation.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
7 hours ago

Excalibur’s are…how do I put this…one of the worst car ideas, ever.

That Talon is an easy win for me, plus it’s an early one so it has the stronger/desirable 6 bolt 4G63 which was less prone to crank walk.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
7 hours ago

Operational status: Doesn’t say, actually – I assume it runs fine

That’s almost as bold a statement as asking $7500 for that heap.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
7 hours ago

If that was a series one Excalibur, it would be worth it. They don’t get enough respect.
Mid/front engine, V8, supercharged, four speed. It’s a lot to love.
After series one, they kind of went downhill

FloridaNative
FloridaNative
7 hours ago

Easy one for me. Loved the first gen Eclipse/Talon/Laser when they came out and this one is the best version… turbo, AWD, stick and apparently unmolested. Plus I absolutely can’t stand Excaliburs. Never have and never will.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
7 hours ago

EEEEEwwwww.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
7 hours ago

I didn’t even notice the Eagle’s rust hole until you pointed it out. The rest of the body and paint looks in awfully good condition unless it’s had a good repaint or a trick of the rain. I am really overwhelmed by the amount of info in its ad (/s) but I don’t have any plans to portray a cartoon villain either, so Talon it is.

Lewis26
Lewis26
7 hours ago

That’s a speed hole.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
7 hours ago

I also missed the fender hole, but I did see the rust in the door sill. That’s a big ol’ red/orange flag for how sound the car is. The Talon is way overpriced, the Excalibur is probably overpriced but who the hell knows by how much, I might have to go with neither again today.

StillPlaysWithCars
StillPlaysWithCars
7 hours ago

That was my catch too. I was all in on that Talon until I saw the door sill. If rust is showing there the subframe likely has been compromised. What the extent is, I don’t know, but I’m not paying $7500 internet bucks to find out.

67Mustang
67Mustang
6 hours ago

rust hole sounds dirty

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
7 hours ago

Apropos of nothing, this Excalibur is the same age now as the Mercedes SSK it’s supposed to emulate was when it came out.

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
7 hours ago

For those old enough to remember the early years of MTV, the Exalibur was used in more than one cheesy video where it was a stand-in for a “rich and fancy” car. Since I’m not David Lee Roth, I have little use for one apart from those wistful memories – especially when it’s almost 4x the price of an already overpriced AWD Talon that could actually be driven unironically.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
7 hours ago
Reply to  Pneumatic Tool

DLR was the best frontman ever. No one made a video sparkle like him.

Red865
Red865
5 hours ago

Back when music was ‘fun’…never really got into Van Hagar and their later versions. They lost that ‘sparkle’ that you mention.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
6 hours ago
Reply to  Pneumatic Tool

I prefer to look at it as “If I bought the Excalibur, I’d be one step closer to becoming David Lee Roth”.

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
3 hours ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

You do have a point.

4jim
4jim
7 hours ago

I was a massive fan of the Mitzu siblings back in the day as well as the other hot sporty cars of the day like the probe gt, and the rest. But now I think I would pass on this one.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
7 hours ago

Talon 100%. While the rust sucks, it would be a fun winter beater. I can’t think of any situation outside of actually being the Monopoly man where I would drop nearly $35k to cosplay as the Monopoly man…

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
7 hours ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Or, stand in the back seat while someone else drives you like… that one guy Charlie Chaplin used to roast.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
7 hours ago

While it was neat to learn of the existence of the Excalibur, it’s just not for me. Gimme that Talon

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
7 hours ago

Excalibur for me. Odd and I like it.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
8 hours ago

I have no upcoming plans to cosplay as Scrooge McDuck or Cruella DeVille, so I have no use for the Excalibur.

I’ll take the Eagle Talon.

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