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It’s been a while since I’ve done a specifically Tesla- or Elon Musk-centered Morning Dump so I feel like I’m owed one. Elon Musk did another earnings call and, while the present is mixed, he made some big promises about the future. That’s what he does. He makes big promises and fulfills some of them. The promises are big enough that it only takes a few hits, though, to make him the richest person in the world.

Toyota is decently well-off as well, and a small slide wasn’t big enough to prevent the company from being the biggest one in the world again. How’d it do it? Hybrids, of course. Jaguar Land Rover is a little worse off as well, with profits falling in Q4 of 2024. Blame the pound.

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One thing that might impact sales here in the United States is the Fed’s decision to not lower interest rates, meaning that pressure will still remain on auto loans for the near term.

‘You Can’t Be A Toddler Forever, They Grow Up’ – Elon Musk

Tesla released its Q4 and full-year financials and, mostly as expected, the company’s numbers were down. The expectation from the market was that Tesla earned $27.26 billion in revenue at the end of last year and that the company’s earnings per share (eps) would hit $0.76. Instead, the company made just $25.71 billion, up slightly from last year, with an eps of $0.73 cents.

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Again, not a huge surprise here, as the company tried to maintain sales with a mix of older models and, unsurprisingly, net income dropped along with increased incentive spending. At the same time, Elon Musk has made investing in AI and other projects a big priority, so his company has been spending a ton of money. Tesla is not a car company in Musk’s view, it’s a technology company that makes cars.

Will shares suffer due to this miss? Probably not! It doesn’t seem like people buy Tesla based on underlying business fundamentals (you might notice, for instance, that a big chunk of income came from selling regulatory credits) but, instead, on what Musk says he will do. Musk said a lot of things. Lewin already wrote about Tesla’s plans to roll out some form of driverless taxi service in Austin this year. That’ll definitely help when your drunk idiot friends get you kicked out of The Ranch and you have to slink off to Coyote Ugly.

What else? Elon Musk said in October at the last one of these that it would be “silly” and “pointless” to build the rumored $25,000 Tesla. People keep asking about the car and CFO Vaibhav Taneja gave a sort of answer to that:

We are still on track to launch a more affordable model in the first half of 2025 and will continue to expand our lineup from there. From a dollar-for-dollar basis, we believe we have the most compelling lineup today compared to the industry, and it will continue to get better from here.

That’s something.

The big news is that Musk thinks that there’s a path where Tesla will become the most valuable company in the world, many times over. Here’s the quote, via The Motley Fool’s transcript:

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I see a path. I’m not saying it’s an easy path but I see a path of Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far. Not even close, like maybe several times more than — I mean, there is a path where Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined. There’s a path to that.

I mean, I think it’s like…a difficult path but it is an achievable path. And that is overwhelmingly due to autonomous vehicles and autonomous humanoid robots. So, our focus is actually building toward that. And then that’s where we’re laying the ground.

We laid the groundwork for that in 2024. We’ll continue to lay the groundwork for that in 2025. In fact, more than laying the groundwork, actually started building the structure. We’re building the manufacturing lines.

What does this mean? AI. Robots. FSD. Seriously, he’s big on FSD. Were you aware?

And I’d like — setting up for what I think will be an epic 2026 and a ridiculous ’27 and ’28, ridiculously good. That is my prediction. As you very few people understand the value of self-driving and our ability to monetize the fleet. Some of these things I’ve said for quite a long time, and I know people have said, “Well, Elon, the boy who cried like a wolf like several times.” But I’m telling you, there’s a damn wolf this time and you can drive it.

In fact, it could drive you. It’s a self-driving wolf. For a lot of people, like their experience of Tesla Autonomy is like if it’s even a year old, if it’s even two years old, it’s like meeting someone when they’re like a toddler and thinking that they’re going to be a toddler forever. But obviously not going to be a toddler forever.

They grow up. But if their last experience was like, “Oh, FSD was a toddler.” It’s like, well, it’s grown up now. Have you seen it? It’s like walks and talks. And that’s really what we’ve got.

I do appreciate that Musk here is at least conscious that he makes all these promises all the time. Just think of all the people who are still sitting on $50,000 deposits for a Roadster something like seven years later.

That’s just the way Musk works and, in the interim, he’s managed to make EVs profitably (which few have done), launched a bunch of rockets into space, and become best friends with the President. For better or worse, if you invest in Tesla you’re investing in the idea that Elon Musk’s management style and vision is eventually achievable. If Tesla becomes more valuable than the next five companies then a $400 share price is extremely low and buying more makes sense. Even if he’s not the Lisan al-Gaib are you really going to be mad if Tesla is only worth as much as the next four companies?

Up to this point, depending on when you got in as a Tesla investor, believing Elon Musk has likely paid off quite well.

Toyota Is Still The King Thanks To Hybrids

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The new Prius looks so good, right? The new Prii are unbelievable.

Last year, Toyota’s deliveries were down 3.7% globally if you throw in subsidiaries Hino and Daihatsu, reaching just 10.82 million in 2024. That still means Toyota is the king, having sold about a million more cars than Volkswagen, which dropped to just 9.03 million vehicles delivered last year.

The company can’t seem to build cars fast enough for the United States, and at least part of that decline is attributable to the fact that Tesla got hit with a bunch of recalls and stop-sales in North America. A massive certification scandal in Japan also didn’t help.

What Toyota did well, according to Automotive News, is sell a crap ton of hybrids:

Gasoline-electric hybrids comprised 43 percent of Toyota’s parent-company global volume, up from 34 percent in 2023. Battery-electric vehicles, by contrast, still barely registered. Global BEV sales climbed 35 percent, but only amounted to 139,892 vehicles, or about 1.3 percent of Toyota’s worldwide volume.

“In North America, the lineup of electrified vehicles has been increasing,” a Toyota spokesperson said while announcing the figures Jan. 30 in Tokyo. “In addition to growing environmental awareness, demand among consumers in North America has shifted from gasoline-powered vehicles to purchasing hybrid vehicles,” the spokesperson said.

That tracks.

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Jaguar Land Rover Also Missed Estimates

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It’s a strange moment for the Tata-owned Jaguar Land Rover. The Land Rover part of the equation continues to deliver high margins from mostly gas-powered trucks while Jaguar has basically stopped building cars in order to prep for a new, more premium EV future.

The company’s Q3 25 (but Q4 24 by the calendar) was, eh, not great. Profits fell about 17%, though margins were pretty good with a pre-tax margin of 9.0%. Why the profit loss then?

The increase in profitability year‑on‑year reflects higher volumes, improved mix and a reduction in depreciation and amortisation (D&A) driven by Castle Bromwich production cessation and ICE end of life extensions, partially offset by an increase in VME, warranty costs and unfavourable FX revaluation.

One of the downsides of reporting your earnings in pounds is that the pound is way down to the dollar, which is a situation that’s likely not to change anytime soon.

Fed Keeps Rates Steady, Which Isn’t Great For Car Buyers

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This time last year the US Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed) was coming off of a couple of good quarters of inflation dropping and the assumption was that rate cuts might be coming in the summer. And then inflation didn’t drop and so the rate decrease got pushed into the second half of 2024.

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History is repeating itself because that’s basically what happened at the start of this year as the Fed’s chairman Jerome Powell said the central bank isn’t going to move rates yet.

Per CNBC:

In their news release announcing the decision — which analysts typically parse for signs of the path ahead — Fed officials struck a more cautious tone on inflation. They removed part of a line in their previous release saying inflation “has made progress toward” a goal of 2%, noting in Wednesday’s statement only that it “remains somewhat elevated.”

Powell said at a news conference after the announcement that recent inflation data looked “good” but that “we’re not going to over-interpret two good or two bad [inflation] readings.”

While access to credit for car buyers is improving, slowly, a rate cut probably wouldn’t have hurt. Other factors, such as delinquencies, are also helping keep rates up.

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The Big Question

Will any company knock Toyota off as the biggest carmaker in the world? Which company and when?

Top photo: Tesla/Depositphotos.com

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Jon Benet
Jon Benet
38 minutes ago

Imagine how great Tesla would be doing without Elon dragging it down.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
54 minutes ago

So, FSD was a toddler and now it’s all grown up? Um, yeah… I’m guessing more like preadolescent. Way far from adult, and still not of the age I’d trust driving the vehicle I was in, (unless maybe it was a golf cart and not on a public road).

I still can’t believe we let these things loose on public roads. By all rights it should require an opt-in for these things to be on the road with me. But hey, drunk drivers get to be on the roadways with me, so I guess it’s just another risk I need to assume if I want to drive in public.

As a society we’re saying the inevitable deaths are the price of progress, it seems.

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
2 hours ago

Shatner. You should punish yourself listen to William Shatner.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

Shatner’s version of “Common People” is fantastic.

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
1 hour ago
Reply to  Wuffles Cookie

I was thinking Rocket Man.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
3 hours ago

Not sure who you’ll be listening to tomorrow, but I’m crossing my fingers it will be David Soul. However, it’s far more likely it will be someone more recent like David Hasselhof, Jennifer Love Hewitt, John Travolta or Patrick Swayze.

As to who might knock off Toyota, I’m pulling for Tata, but it will probably be a Chinese company in 2027.

Trucky
Trucky
3 hours ago

Proposal to refer to Tesla robo-taxis as “Ride Heiling” from here on out.

Ottomadiq
Ottomadiq
1 hour ago
Reply to  Trucky

I mean…

DJP
DJP
45 minutes ago
Reply to  Trucky

That is *totally* going to be the gesture you are going to have to make to call one of those Robocabs over.

Last edited 45 minutes ago by DJP
NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
3 hours ago

“ Gasoline-electric hybrids comprised 43 percent of Toyota’s parent-company global volume, up from 34 percent in 2023. Battery-electric vehicles, by contrast, still barely registered. Global BEV sales climbed 35 percent, but only amounted to 139,892 vehicles, or about 1.3 percent of Toyota’s worldwide volume.”

I think that is because their BEVs kind of suck, right?

As far as Musk goes, I think we all can agree you cannot take one word he states literally. Everything he states is at-best “aspirational”. But on Full Self Driving, it is usually “delusional”.

“Hooray! Tesla might do in 2025 (although probably not because we frequently stretch the truth!) in Austin what Waymo has been doing for years in Phoenix! For such a futuristic company with such grand plans, why is Tesla behind everyone on everything EXCEPT EVs… where they keep insisting their future does not lie?

Get Stoney
Get Stoney
3 hours ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

Well, they have charging/home energy storage locked down pretty good.

Weston
Weston
3 hours ago
Reply to  Get Stoney

Home energy storage and solar panels makes financial sense when you pay 40 cents a kWh. Less than that and it’s hard to break even. Math works!

Baron Usurper
Baron Usurper
4 hours ago

Putting 50k down for a Roadster 7 years ago was a self-inflicted injury. Can’t find any sympathy for those people.

>Will any company knock Toyota off as the biggest carmaker in the world? 
Not for a long time and I couldn’t even tell you which company would do it.

Jon Benet
Jon Benet
4 hours ago

I think that Dude is so up his own K-hole.

Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
4 hours ago

Now, you all can argue, BUT I PERSONALLY WILL NEVER TRUST MUSK AGAIN. Nor will I buy any of his cars.

Curtis Tyree
Curtis Tyree
4 hours ago

That’s what he does. He makes big promises and fulfills some of them.”

He finally delivered on 1 promise (the CT) after being made fun of for his constant empty promises, and we all see how that’s working out.

Parsko
Parsko
5 hours ago

If I was

  • surrounded by people I hired to analyze trends and “run numbers” all day long
  • then have them present said numbers to me
  • and all I say is “yes” or “no” based on the presentation in front of me

you would be a fool to consider me a genius.

He is no genius, he is just good at recognizing a good deal. A good deal that has been researched, vetted, then presented to him. This has all he has ever been good at.

Trucky
Trucky
3 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Correction, he is good at having money and paying people to identify good deals.

Parsko
Parsko
2 hours ago
Reply to  Trucky

YES, that he can then say “yes” to. I agree.

Trucky
Trucky
2 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

AND steal credit for

Drshaws
Drshaws
5 hours ago

Came to appreciate the DEEP Dune reference. Well done Matt.
And no – Musk is no Kwisatz Haderach.

Mr E
Mr E
3 hours ago
Reply to  Drshaws

Feed him to the worms!!!!!!!

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
3 hours ago
Reply to  Drshaws

Once he goes to Mars, we can call him the voice from the outer world.

Dinklesmith
Dinklesmith
5 hours ago

The fact that people still believe and take Musk seriously makes me realize just how gullible and dumb the average person is. Are we as a species really that bad?

Parsko
Parsko
5 hours ago
Reply to  Dinklesmith

50% of the population is below average intelligence

Dimitar
Dimitar
4 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Not necessarily true, the irony of this comment is hilarious.

Parsko
Parsko
4 hours ago
Reply to  Dimitar

I think you get my point.

Black Peter
Black Peter
4 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Maybe not if he’s in the lower 49.999999999%. How dare you round up!

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
3 hours ago
Reply to  Black Peter

somewhere out there the one person that make up that last .000000000000001% is like WTF MAN (in the voice of Eddie Murphy).

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
3 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

Technically true (the best kind) if the population determines the average.

The issue is that the average intelligence level seems to have dropped Old people getting senile, while young people are (on average) not getting an education that increases intelligence. First one is natural. Second one is actively supported by people who need the populace to be dumber.

Ben
Ben
3 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

50% of the population is below average median intelligence

FTFY. 😛

SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
51 minutes ago
Reply to  Ben

“Median” is a form of “average.” “Average” does not necessarily refer to “arithmetic mean” as commonly considered.

Source: married to a HS math teacher

Black Peter
Black Peter
4 hours ago
Reply to  Dinklesmith

Yes, but also no.. Interestingly I heard Chris Hayes (whom I don’t really care for) on the Bulwark podcast yesterday. He was talking about the “Attention economy”, that what is driving so much profit right now. Social Media etc., isn’t an information or data economy but an attention one. People have the capacity to understand Musk is not Tony Stark, just as they have the capacity to understand trump wasn’t a good choice, they just don’t have the available attention to intake the facts. Outside of work and my wife and dogs, a lot of my attention is taken by politics, even while engaging in hobbies, or working in the garage, I have a podcast or YouTube something running. People who golf, or watch pro sports, (not to judge) lose that “attention” from their budget, that could be spent learning how much a fraud Musk is.

Cerberus
Cerberus
4 hours ago
Reply to  Black Peter

And I contend that all this obnoxious software safety BS in cars and elsewhere are another part of keeping people distracted and angry while they fleece us. For many, empathy is a luxury for those who aren’t struggling to survive, which tracks with what we are seeing. This can even be observed in animals living in captivity that become friendly with prey/predators or rivals when in nature.

Mike B
Mike B
3 hours ago
Reply to  Black Peter

I spend a lot of time in the car and walking my dog, and usually I’m listening to a podcast during that time. I have a few on political/current events that I follow, and for the sake of my mental health, I’m trying to wean myself off of them. I know that everything is fucked and corrupt, I don’t need to constantly hear about each new thing that I can’t do anything about. I’ve especially had to stop with Kyle Kulinski, I typically enjoy his presenting style, but lately the subject matter puts me in a mood that makes me want to veer into an overpass.

I’ve been listening to lighter stuff, like “We have ways of making you talk”, a WW2 podcast.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Mike B
Mr E
Mr E
3 hours ago
Reply to  Dinklesmith

It saddens me to say this, but…(sigh) yes.

Crank Shaft
Crank Shaft
3 hours ago
Reply to  Dinklesmith

Fuck yeah we are! We are The Worst!

Ash78
Ash78
5 hours ago

Why can’t ketamine affect him the same way as all the people I knew in the 90s who were using it?

That is, total silence, lying on a couch, bothering nobody and generally alienating all friends and family in the process.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
3 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

I went through two rounds of treatment as an antidepressant. It didn’t work for shit, but I enjoyed Fear Inoculum much more deeply.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
3 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

I assume this is a Tool reference?

And if so, yeah I could see that.

Mr E
Mr E
3 hours ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

That’s the pneuma!

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
3 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

Well at least the alienation is still part of the equation. 1 out of 4 ain’t bad.

Pajamasquid
Pajamasquid
5 hours ago

He managed to convince climate change deniers to buy EVs. Those of us who actually believe in climate change but are not happy about an Elon-centric future should really just buy widebody Hellcats to accelerate the planet’s demise.

Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
4 hours ago
Reply to  Pajamasquid

Guess you haven’t heard of SpaceX and all of it’s launches and what fuel they use. Then understand that he wants to get to a point where they launch every day.

Ottomadiq
Ottomadiq
1 hour ago
Reply to  Pajamasquid

He also convinced more climate change believers to not buy one… so…

Mr E
Mr E
5 hours ago

Do I believe Musk? A pompous, self-absorbed illegal alien Nazi oligarch kiss-ass?

(minutes of riotous laughter)

Fuck no.

Who Knows
Who Knows
5 hours ago

If BYD keeps up their level of growth, they’ll pass up Toyota by the end of the decade. I’m guessing they will take sales away from them in “other parts of the world” as well, so my guess is by 2030 Toyota will be a bit under 10M, and BYD a bit over 10M in yearly sales.

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