The Volkswagen-funded Scout brand is bringing back a truck and SUV marque that has been dead for over 40 years, and since 2022 we’ve all been curious what’s going to come of it. But now we have an answer: These are the first two Scout products, and they look absolutely incredible.
The SUV is called the Traveler and the truck is the Terra — names derived from SUV and pickup models (respectively) from the brand’s past. And like those models, these new machines will be body-on-frame, solid-axle off-roaders that try to keep things (relatively) simple. They’re not promising autonomy. They don’t shove every button into a touchscreen. The doors don’t require some weird electromechanical switch. These are two off-road machines that happened to be propelled by electric motors, and they’re starting at a reasonable $50,000 for the Traveler SUV and $51,500 for the Terra pickup. (This is after incentives; retail prices are around $60,000).
Let’s just get straight to the most exciting news: Range Extender. Yes, even though the Traveler and Terra will be offered as fully electric models with about 350 miles of range, there will be 500-mile-range EREV models available. This is huge news.
A Gasoline Range-Extender Called ‘Harvester’
Modern EV technology simply does not allow for a pickup truck or towing/off-road-focused SUV to be built with good range at a reasonable price. It is not possible.
Look at any modern EV pickup truck, and you’ll see that towing performance is poor unless you shove in a humongous, heavy, expensive battery. And any off-road-focused EV has a similar issue of high cost and high weight. What’s more, a fully electric vehicle has significantly limited market appeal when compared with a hybrid, as many EV skeptics remain concerned about infrastructure.
What’s more, huge-battery-equipped BEVs actually can be worse for the environment than range-extended EVs simply because the former often requires 1000 pounds of battery material to solve a range anxiety issue that the latter solves with just a small aluminum motor and generator. Even EV company Lucid’s CEO told me recently: “It Is Not Possible To Make An Affordable Pickup Truck Without An Internal Combustion Engine.”
So this is a moment to celebrate. Scout, like Ram with its Ramcharger, is listening, and they’re building a product that makes sense. An Extended Range EV (EREV) basically acts as an electric vehicle, but when the battery runs low, a small gasoline engine fires up and charges the battery to allow you to continue to drive. It is a truly brilliant powertrain solution and the right one for America in the near and even relatively distant future. From Scout:
From the start, Scout Motors was established as a company that listens to and is guided by consumers. As the shift to electric vehicles accelerates and the mass market more seriously considers electric vehicle adoption, some U.S. drivers have expressed concerns about the ability to recharge while on the road.
Scout Motors listened. The Scout Traveler SUV and Scout Terra truck will offer an optional extended range electric vehicle (EREV) energy system, called Harvester. A proprietary Scout EREV energy system will unlock freedom on the road while still delivering off-road capability.
With a small internal combustion engine added to the energy system, the gas-powered engine will recharge the vehicle’s high voltage battery, extending the range to more than an estimated 500 miles while maintaining the electric drive system’s instant response and off-road performance.
With the option to refuel anywhere you can find a pump or a plug, all while maintaining the packaging and performance benefits of an electric vehicle, the Harvester energy system will deliver the benefits customers want in a lifestyle that works for them.
Bravo Scout! Bravo! The benefits of this powertrain are huge, and I recommend you read this piece to learn more. Climate change is about cumulative emissions, and range-extended EVs allow for more people to drive electric as soon as possible.
Off-Road Hardware, Absurd Speed
Scout is billing its brand as a “Connection Machine,” with the focus being on connecting a community of people who love off-roaders, not on connecting Bluetooth devices to fancy infotainment systems that will do everything for you. It’s a back-to-basics approach, with plenty of capability as the main focus. Towing capacity is 10,000 pounds for the Terra and 7,000 for the Traveler, thanks to an estimated 1,000 lb-ft of torque, with each vehicle offering a 2,000-pound payload capacity. Zero to 60 mph will happen in as little as 3.5 seconds, which is just absurd, even if we’ve gotten used to such ridiculous times in EVs.
Let’s get to the off-road goodies: A solid rear axle. How is Scout pulling this off on an EV? I still don’t actually know, but I can’t wait to find out. Here’s a bit from Scout on the body-on-frame platform, the 35-inch tires, the three feet of water fording capability, and the mechanical locker for the electric motor powering each axle:
The Scout Traveler SUV and Scout Terra truck will be built on an all-new and proprietary body-on-frame platform with a solid rear axle that is designed to deliver credible capability and off-road performance. The platform is projected to deliver more than 10,000 pounds of towing on the Terra truck, over 7,000 pounds of towing on the Traveler SUV, and nearly 2,000 pounds of payload on both models. In addition, the platform is intended to offer up to 35-inch tires, over 1 foot of ground clearance, nearly 3 feet of water fording capability, a front sway bar disconnect, front and rear mechanical lockers, competitive approach and departure angles, and robust suspension options.
Scout vehicle capability will largely be controlled through a tactile experience. From mechanical door handles, to grab bars, to switches and dials, Scout vehicles will provide a real hands-on user experience.
800-Volt Electric Architecture, 350 kW Charging
The Scout Traveler and Terra will each be built using an 800-volt architecture, so they should charge up rather quickly. “Scout vehicles will use the North American Charging Standard (NACS), 800-volt (V) architecture,” the brand says, with “up to 350-kilowatt charging capability, and will be capable of bi-directional charging.” This means you can charge it, and you can use it to charge other things, like, say, your house after a power outage.
The Perfect Cargo Setup
The ultimate cargo setup in an SUV is simple: A front trunk (frunk) at the nose, and a rear tailgate with a swing-out tire carrier. Frunks are fun and useful, tailgates are fun and useful, and the best place for a spare tire is on the back of a vehicle.
Scout absolutely nailed this. From Scout:
The Scout Traveler SUV and Terra truck are designed as versatile multitools with durable
materials and flexible cargo areas throughout. Both vehicles will include a front trunk capable of fitting golf clubs, a gym bag, and a small cooler, as well as powering multiple devices with 120V and USB-C power outlets.[…]
The Scout Terra truck was designed from the outset with a right-sized 5.5-foot bed. The Scout Traveler SUV offers a rear spare tire carrier that intentionally integrates into the body structure and the graphic of the rear mask, carrying up to a full 35-inch spare with minimal impact to aerodynamics. The Scout Terra truck offers an underbody spare tire carrier for sizes up to 33 inches and an optional in-bed tire carrier for 35-inch all-terrain tires.
I’m curious to see where the range extender will be packaged.
Open-Tops, But Not Removable
The tops on the new Scout models aren’t removable like they are on old Scouts, but that doesn’t mean there’s no open-air fun to be had. Scout says there are “multiple available roof types” that will “offer an open–air experience, but with a refined, quality execution that doesn’t distract from the experience.” There’s a Cabana Top, which Scout says will be one of the largest roof openings of any SUV, plus there will be a huge glass roof with power sunshade.
A Direct-Sales Model
Scout plans to sell its Traveler and Terra directly to consumers.”As an independent American company and startup, Scout Motors is building everything from the ground up—its teams, its factory, its vehicles, and now its own customer experience that is powered by an exclusive Scout Motors retail network,” the brand states.
The company says it will sell and service Scouts directly. “From reservations and vehicle sales to delivery and service, Scout Motors supports the consumer directly. One company, one app, one login, one experience, the brand continues, promising full price transparency and purchase transactions that can be done in minutes. The brand is building workshops and other retail spaces for test drives, servicing, and other in-person interactions.
Scout Promises REPAIRABILITY
Here’s an exciting promise: Scout says its vehicles will be repairable. In a world where a light tap to the back of a Rivian can cost tens of thousands of dollars to fix, this is a huge deal. From Scout:
Scout vehicles are designed for competitive cost of ownership through robust repairability and flexible serviceability. From engineering and manufacturing to the Scout Motors national collision partner network, Scout vehicles will be ready for the real world. Approximately 80 percent of repair types can be completed outside of a Scout Workshop, whether in a driveway or while adventuring.
I’m looking forward to learning more details about this soon. Does this mean there won’t be large aluminum castings?
The Interior
We only have one photo of the Scouts’ interior, which I assume will be mostly common between the two models. The photo looks beautiful. There are nice two-tone seats, two screens, a row of buttons for HVAC and radio controls, and — wait, is this the ultimate in shifters? Is that a column shifter? Holy crap that’s a column shifter!:
Here’s Scout’s description of its interior:
The interiors of the Scout Traveler SUV and Scout Terra truck follow the same design philosophy: simple and bold, tactile, and fit for purpose, while keeping the customer and how they will use the vehicle at the forefront of the design process.
The instrument panel is defined by a bold upper brow and deep undercut, reminiscent of the original Scout II, with a lower bar that defines the horizontality of the interior layout and frames the screens in between. The center display is complimented by a bank of toggle switches and knobs for easy use of the climate controls.
The Traveler SUV maximizes storage on the inside with a multifunctional console, while the Terra truck solidifies the Connection Machine™ with the available front row bench seat. Customers can choose what is right for them; the multifunctional console and bench seat will be available to order in both the Traveler and Terra models.
The vehicle interiors feature clean, modern lines; durable, sustainable materials; and real knobs and tactile controls combined with Scout Community UX™, a digital user interface that is flexible, configurable, and easy-to-use by both drivers and passengers.
Scout Community UX™
The interiors of the Scout Traveler SUV and Scout Terra truck follow the same design philosophy: simple and bold, tactile, and fit for purpose, while keeping the customer and how they will use the vehicle at the forefront of the design process.
The instrument panel is defined by a bold upper brow and deep undercut, reminiscent of the original Scout II, with a lower bar that defines the horizontality of the interior layout and frames the screens in between. The center display is complimented by a bank of toggle switches and knobs for easy use of the climate controls.
The Traveler SUV maximizes storage on the inside with a multifunctional console, while the Terra truck solidifies the Connection Machine™ with the available front row bench seat. Customers can choose what is right for them; the multifunctional console and bench seat will be available to order in both the Traveler and Terra models.
The vehicle interiors feature clean, modern lines; durable, sustainable materials; and real knobs and tactile controls combined with Scout Community UX™, a digital user interface that is flexible, configurable, and easy-to-use by both drivers and passengers.Scout Community UX™
The Scout UX is developed to bring people together while in the vehicle. With a combination of thoughtfully developed hardware and knobs, complemented by an easy-to-use digital interface, Scout Community UX is designed to be a versatile multitool and helpful companion.Scout Community UX intentionally does not bury features in menus or screens but rather provides a combination of tactile buttons and knobs with a right-sized, highly responsive digital interface. Together, they ensure intuitive, low-effort interaction and a cohesive user experience.
Scout Community UX intentionally does not bury features in menus or screens but rather provides a combination of tactile buttons and knobs with a right-sized, highly responsive digital interface. Together, they ensure intuitive, low-effort interaction and a cohesive user experience.
I bolded the last bit because I love it. Simplicity. Buttons. Ease of use!
UPDATE: There’s a bench seat option!
David really lost his shit over this one and actually fainted for a moment, falling heavily to the ground while standing amongst the other journalists. He actually said this in Slack:
“It’s like they built this for me
You Can Pre-Order Now
There’s a lot more to the Scout that I haven’t mentioned. The brand says it will offer a bunch of accessories like lights, steps, power things that you can charge with the vehicle, bumpers, winches, etc. etc. And even though Scout preaches a philosophy of simplicity, there will be over-the-air capability, lots of cameras, and plenty of stuff accessed through touchscreens. But not the annoying stuff.
Production is targeted for 2027, and you can put in a reservation as soon as 6:30 ET on Thursday (so, basically right now) by going to the official Scout Motors website and paying $100, which is refundable.
It Looks Like The Perfect Car
This EREV powertrain, the rear-mounted spare, the tailgate, the column shifter, and the gorgeous design all make this Scout Traveler the most exciting product that I have personally covered in my entire career. It’s not just an off-roader, it’s an environmentally-conscious off-roader that’s semi-reasonably priced, easy-to-use, palatable to the masses no matter what their EV infrastructure, and it looks damn cool.
Sure, it and the Terra we see here are just “production-intent concept vehicles,” so who knows what will change as engineers in Michigan prep these things for assembly in South Carolina, but I hope the answer is: Not much. Because as they are, these Scouts — and especially the Traveler — look like perfection. Especially for this decade in auto history.
Images: Scout
Looks good – Rivian might have a fit, but I’m thinking alot of the control software is Rivian. Bench seats: sweet.
But this: ” The former often requires 1000 pounds of battery material to solve a range anxiety issue that the latter solves with just a small aluminum motor and generator.” You left out – it requires oil, gas, spark plugs and all that stuff. The battery is a one time use of resources, this will be a constant use of resources. I get it for this application, but just for the sake of accuracy.
No, the battery is also a constant use of resources, and a greater one too. That’s the point.
Dragging around 1000lb of batteries everywhere you go uses a LOT of energy, and tires too. Dragging around 300lb of generator+gas tank uses considerably less energy.
not so much – unless you rarely use the generator, in which case – just rent a car when you need to take a long tow trip.
I just bought out my A6 Allroad’s lease and now they come up with this?
God damn I love me some VAGs. I’d probably live to regret my life choices but YOLO.
Well this won’t make it to market for at least a couple of years.
Cool. My 2021 allroad should last till then… Maybe?
“Scout Promises REPAIRABILITY”
Wonderful! Definitely moving int he right direction.
How about upgradability? Can the batteries be upgraded with newer, better tech when it becomes available? Can the engine be run on fuels other than gasoline? How about the REX, if it proves to be too fuel hungry or not powerful enough or maybe not needed at all can that be changed for a more appropriate model or more battery capacity?
Judging by the battery being below the frame crossmembers – and the presence of the frame in general – it seems reasonable to think a battery with the same form factor with improved technology could be made available at some point.
Hopefully that can be swapped in with a blunt screwdriver and a 10mm socket under the shade of a nearby tree.
There was never a 4 door Scout 80, 800 or Scout II in any configuration.
My ’69 800A has a 100″ wheelbase, and I believe that contributes greatly to its offroad abilities.
If they offer it in a short wheelbase 2 door configuration, I might consider it. If they offered a 2 door short wheelbase with an ICE and an optional stick, it’d be sold out for the first 5 years already.
There are a number of things which set this apart from competition, it is most certainly not “like all the others”.
“Where exactly my original opinion of this egotistical automotive catastrophe went wrong… From the very fucking beginning.”
That being:
“…we will all, in short time, watch this endeavor go pear shaped.”
Am I not understanding something correctly, or are you saying that your assumption of this being a failure is wrong?
I don’t think I had to slice and splice it very much, but you can surely tell me what you meant?
I said can you explain what you meant? However I can’t see your comment anymore. I don’t know if you deleted it, but I surely hope not, because that would be very disappointing. Anyway, you do you.
Looks nice if not groundbreaking. A healthy mix of Bronco and Rivian.
The tailgate is cool but I’d find it very very annoying to have a 2 and sometimes 3 step process to get it open. Swinging the tire out just to open the rear hatch every time is tiresome…
I think it will be too little too late. By 2028, we’ll have next gen Rivians and who knows what competition from elsewhere. Rivians are already fairly comparable to this and you can buy one now…
Question, regarding range extending, particularly with a tow vehicle. And in asking this, I’m assuming that 350 miles range battery-only and 500 miles with RE option means that the RE adds 150 miles of range. That’s the way I’m reading it, though maybe I’m misunderstanding.
First, non-towing: how does this setup make sense? That extra 150 mile range will likely take away your anxiety of being stranded, one of the concerns. But it is not enough to provide for doing a full day trip without having to take very long stop to charge the battery. With 300 or more miles of RE you would be able to leave home tanked up and charged up, and then only tank up along the way. With only 150 miles of RE, you are still driving a 70% electrical-storage vehicle.
Now towing: I fully haven’t read through the articles on electric vehicles and towing, but what I understood from what I did read was that mileage and range while towing were something like half. Or half at best. If that’s correct, then we’re talking 175 miles electric or 250 range-extended, at which point you have the same problems as above, only much sooner. And if you decided to not spend the hours charging during a trip, you’d be stopping for gas every 75 miles at best.
How accurate is that, or, what would be more accurate?
They did say “replace some of the batteries with a gas tank”, so I don’t think the range extended ones will have the full 350 mile EV range. I’d guess that it’ll be more like 250 EV/250 gas. Doesn’t really make it any better.
A big advantage of having both a big-ish battery and the range extender is that this makes owning this car, frequently taking long trips, and only having access to 110V at home easy. You should be able to get about 500 miles of range per week from a 110V outlet, but let’s say you’re only home half the time and on weekends you take 200 mile trips. That’s still enough charging time for you to drive 250 miles per week fully electric, and when you take that occasional trip you don’t have to worry about finding fast chargers, waiting an hour if it works, etc.
Or still hit the chargers on the stops where you can, this allows for drives to areas still out of reach for EVs. If it can do 200-250 highway miles in EV mode that’s a solid distance for stops to rest and if the charge speed is retained it can road trip in many areas on EV only.
I do this in my 5 year old KIA Niro with little problem. Charge at home, recharge once on the road for about 40 minutes- an easy 400 miles. A 200 mile trip is charge at home, get home, plug it in, lounge about like the lord of the manor. Rinse and repeat.
Just saying, the future is already here.
What I’ve read is that the range extended version will only have 100-150 mi of range meaning that a tank of gasoline should be good for 350-400 mi of range.
First time I ever preordered like this. $100 refundable is a no-brainer to get in line. The range extender and the overall vehicle design and function would be perfect for my wife. She’s managed to run her 99 Durango she owned since new to 263k miles on the original engine and transmission; if it doesn’t make it at the 5k miles a year she drives, we can always lease a CX-70/90 in the meantime.
Well shit… This might just be the thing that gets me out of my 4Runner. I’m a little bit concerned about the whole VW thing, but fuck… I love it.
Not bad looking, but being a truck and being a vw eliminate it from my consideration.
Question: why would you try to get a dashboard right by using cool, functional mechanical toggles, then compromise its usability by making it a huge single row of them with no form variation in them other than the central wide one, and only tiny white icons on a bright silver surface?
Because overland
Explain? Do you mean that overlanding vehicles normally have poorly distinguished switches?
Wow…are the Scout people Autopian members? This is a manifestation of so many recent DT articles. No wonder he’s jacked to the tits so to speak
I also enjoyed that the URL slug still has the embargo time in it
Looks like someone is going to be selling his “holy grail” gold i3 in a few years to trade up.
This seems to be the closest Volkswagen has come in decades to designing the sort of vehicle that will actually appeal to American buyers in a big way
Also, WTF did bench seats go away? An extra passenger seat is way more useful than a space robbing center console (especially since most of the storage in a center console can be duplicated inside the fold down center armrest anyway). Maybe this will start a trend
And maybe quarter windows will be next
Bench seats went away in the 90s for two big reasons:
1. Cupholders(sufficiently sized and numerous ones, anyways) are difficult to integrate without a center console.
2. A bunch of morons decided that column shifters were Uncool(TM) and that automatic console shifters were Cool(TM).
I sure hope you’re right and quarter windows are next
I don’t know, I’ve had a Cadillac Fleetwood, a Lincoln Town Car, and a Mercury Grand Marquis that all seemed to solve the bench seat + cup holder problem, so I’m going to put the blame exclusively on the idiots who think a shifter that never needs to be touched whilst driving needs to be occupying prime real estate
i can imagine the disappearance of front bench seats probably has something to do with airbags.
Oh, and “bucket seats are cooool!”
Nah, even the very first passenger side airbags in the ’70s were capable of covering the center seat, was that way ever since
I don’t know if I’d say my Crown Vic solves the problem. I’m not a fan of the pop out folding cupholders, they’re always flimsy and don’t hold tall cups well.
In fairness, if you have a shift-able automatic, it can be kinda nice having the shifter on the console. Engine braking, overtaking, coping with a particularly lethargic & wheezy old slush box, etc are all made easier with a console shifter. Hurst and many others have made a fairly healthy business of selling sport shifters for automatic transmissions.
But then again, now that 6-speeds are standard, and even 10-speeds are common, paddle shifters are a much better solution to these problems, and they don’t take up valuable real estate.
I’m an American and I’ve never understood the obsession with a bazillion cup holders for USD cars.
I mean I get the stereotypical “thats what Wall-e World Fat Americans want…”
I guess that’s never been a big desire of mine or most of the people I know, which I know is annictdotal.
It also seems strange bc it didn’t really seem to be a thing even for domestic USD cars until.well in to.sometime in the 1990s
I think safety regs and recommendations made the juice not worth the squeeze on bench seats – to accommodate shoulder belts, airbags, all that. Trucks had more lax safety rules but also more profit in the entire model lines to make it work.
Buyers also mostly just don’t care. Buyers that need 6+ seats regularly moved on, first to minivans, and along the way children (the passengers that were also most likely to be relegated to the center of the front bench) were increasingly recommended to be sat in the back seats because of airbags.
And I bet the plastic console ends up cheaper than the foam, upholstery, seatbelt, flip/fold mechanism etc. in a bench seat setup.
Aside from what everyone else is saying, I suspect that child seat regulations reduced their real world utility quite a bit.
I effing HATE center consoles! They all take away legroom, and at least half of them come to a point where your right leg (if you’re the driver) hits it.
Exactly, the legroom without one is so much more comfortable. But cars can’t be comfortable anymore, the industry collectively decided that years ago
I mean, if you are in a financial position to buy a $60-100k car in the forseeable future, $100 is not an unreasonable outlay to reserve a spot in line, even if it may or may not pan out.
This seems to be everything I was hoping the id.buzz would have been in philosophy.
THIS.
In Europe I think the Buzz is a lot closer. Also they have the Buzz panel van there which is fantastic and kills me they won’t sell it here.
Somewhere in the probably cold suburbs of Minneapolis. My father is staring at his now three International Harvesters. And thinking “Am I really going to buy an electric Volkswagen?”. Will this man’s roughly 40 year vendetta against various versions of the Chrysler Corp, who he questionably holds responsible for killing International and less questionably beloved AMC; finally be resolved by a bunch of Germans? Find out more on the next episode of My Dad is really into a Defunct Car Company!
It’s still 50F here! But hell yeah, I’ll tune in for the next episode :).
Will this man’s roughly 40 year vendetta against various versions of the Chrysler Corp, who he questionably holds responsible for killing International and less questionably beloved AMC; finally be resolved by a bunch of Germans?
Well his son has the right username to help him get through.
Seems nice, and looks targeted to enthusiasts, at least off-roaders.
That aren’t many cars like this nowadays, so it is cool to see this.
Too bad it’ll be too expensive for most enthusiasts.
There are plenty of enthusiasts who buy enthusiast cars new, otherwise there would be none for less-moneyed enthusiasts to buy used.
Too bad it’ll be too expensive for most.
There, I fixed it for you.
Well, it is a strange time: we have cars that are too powerful and fast to be handled by the average Joe and that are relatively cheap (e.g.Hellcat) and also much more technologicthan 30, 40 years ago.
Still, everybody works more and makes more or less the same money as before, and we have the impression that they are more expensive nowadays.
Probably they are not, but the living cost for most things skyrocketed, so fun things, out of pure utility, became too expensive if you are not in the 5% most rich.
And we are really far away from peak capitalism yet. And still better than most of other options.
Strange times.
VW dealer principal: wow these look great can’t wait to start marking them up and making some serious cash!
VW: no gravy for you, we’re going Tesla/Rivian and selling direct.
VW dealer principal: I’m calling 1-800-LAWSUIT
Retails at $60,000 (not with the range extender) so by 2028 it’ll be $99,000. Can’t wait to see how the price increases every year until then. Hopefully by thenToyota comes out with an actual hybrid truck / LC that focuses on mileage.
“Scout vehicles will use the North American Charging Standard (NACS), 800-volt (V) architecture,” the brand says, with “up to 350-kilowatt charging capability, and will be capable of bi-directional charging.” This means you can charge it, and you can use it to charge other things, like, say, your house after a power outage.
This, THIS is the way!
A house can need a LOT of power so I gotta ask – can it for example provide enough power to run the A/C, a couple of fridges, a chest freezer, an electric pizza oven, an electric water heater AND an electric dryer, 3 giant TVs and all the lights all at the same time? Or does “emergency” mean lights out so the fridge can keep going?
Now if they REALLY wanted to impress me they’d add in a heat exchanger to the cooling system so the engine heat could be used to heat the house as well.
Oh and make it run on propane and natural gas too.
By my guesstimation, your liberal use of emergency power should add up to about 13,000W. That’s a lot of electrical power, but don’t underestimate how powerful cars really are. 13kW is only 17.5 HP.
If the Scout is capable of more than 17.5HP, then the battery and associated hardware will be more than sufficient to power your whole house(for some period of time anyways). If they put a big enough plug on it, there’s no reason it shouldn’t power all of that.
Tesla/NACS chargers and connectors are capable of 250kW, so it should have a big enough plug for 13kW.
I have no doubt the generator can provide that power. I’m more concerned about the V2X part, sure it can take that power from the plug but can it dish it out too? Not necessarily as the Ford F150 Lightning can *only* put out 9.6kW even though it can accept much more.
The critical hardware parts(the battery, BMS, and electrical connector) are definitely capable of as much as 250kW. We will see if Scout connects the dots with software and cooling.
V2X is dependent on the vehicles level 2 charge speed since that is the max the car can convert AC to DC or vice versa (home uses AC while the battery is DC). That is why the F150 is limited to 9.6KW even though it has a DC fast charge speed over 100KW. So I would expect this to be in the 9.6-11.5KW range since those are pretty standard level 2 charge speeds. Only a few models with massive batteries exceed this like the Hummer EV with 19.2 KW for its 200+KWH battery.
Your average mid size SUV EV has a battery big enough to power your average suburban home for three to four days. Our own house consumes way less and we’d get the same duration out of the average PHEV battery.
In fact, it’s not unusual down here to see EV batteries that are no longer fit for purpose as car batteries being reused as house batteries in grid connected solar power systems. They’ll last for a decade or more in their second life given the much lower current draw requirements.
Fact is though, full bidirectional charging has a lot of regulatory hoops to jump through and it’s not currently allowed in Australia unless you are using a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and a very specific model of EV charger..
And that is probably enough for most people..unless you live in Texas and there’s a week long bomb cyclone..or if you live in California and PG&E cuts off your power for two weeks because *REASONS!*, or…
Looks awesome! I hope it doesn’t have Volkswagen “quality,” “reliability” or “durability.”
Volkswagen can do that stuff when they want to, I used to have a Super Beetle that was all those things, I haven’t owne, or driven, any VW product since, but I’m just assuming many of them are comparable?
Or these days marketing promises and approximations that may not be achievable in practice.
Let’s just say VW has changed a lot since your Super Beetle was made. Some things for the better, other things… not so much. I don’t think they deserve as much ire as they get, but they definitely deserve some.
They just need to go down the hall and knock on the door marked “Porsche” and they’ll be sorted.
Its almost like they read every David Tracy article from the last few years and specifically designed this to make him sell his i3 “forever car”. Seriously though I have a feeling this is going to steal a ton of sales from the Rivian R2/R1S/R1T
But not that sweet sweet R3X!
It’s literally perfect. I may need to sell the i3…
It would be perfect for a growing family.
Sadly affordability may dictate choosing one or the other…
I thought you were already trying to do that.
As the Autopian Empire (shared movie universe) grows, you may find yourself able to sustain two different non-rustbucket vehicles with clearly differentiated purpose.
So glad I didn’t jump on a GX550. This is what I wanted all along.
but can you wait 4 years?
Our plan is to do a 3 year lease in the meantime, if need be.
good plan
Yeah, I have a 460 with only 60k miles. I had thought about the 550 but it honestly the changes don’t really make the 550 more desirable for me. I like buttons on the dash and don’t need a gajillion horsepower BOF SUV. I just wanted PHEV or something like this range extender so I can do all my local stuff without using gas.
My GX has 140k on it and I do about 35 a year. I’ll need transmission and assorted work on it by the time this guys gets out. Perhaps I should do a low-mileage 460 as a bridge for a couple of years while bugs get worked out.
That’s probably a good approach. There are always bugs. I owned a VW for many years and though I liked it, it was a huge PITA. And now I drive a Toyota product.
I want to love the Scout. I think it looks great. But the IH nerd in me can’t fathom why they’d have sold the rights to the Scout name. If this came out with Navistar ICE power, they’d maybe sell 4 of them but I’d be one of those buyers.
The magic of the Scout II is that the 304 is basically just a short-deck medium-duty truck engine. It didn’t rev. It weighed approximately the same weight as Texas. But take it to any tractor dealership and they probably had a feed truck out back they could use parts from to fix it.
Wishful thinking, obviously. I wasn’t necessarily born in the wrong time period, just the wrong spot in the multiverse.
They didn’t sell the rights, Volkswagen bought the entire company, took over Navistar International back in 2021
This will be a perfect wedding car for David’s second marriage. Vow renewal! I meant vow renewal!