Welcome back! Today we’re saluting one of the unsung heroes of General Motors history: the humble front-wheel-drive A platform. We’ve got two upscale models to look at, one US-market Pontiac, and a not-an-Oldsmobile from south of the border.
Yesterday‘s pocket rockets were somewhat of a foregone conclusion; the MR2 would have been a lot more desirable if not for the seller’s mishap. Hopefully they learned from it, and won’t ruin any more cool mid-engined sports cars. It’s probably not the only reason the 323 GTX ran away with the win, but it certainly didn’t hurt.
The Mazda would be my choice as well. It’s rare, cool, reliable, and practical. I’m not crazy about the paint job, but I could put up with it for a fun little rally hatch like that.
General Motors cars, the old saw goes, run poorly for longer than most cars run at all. The implication is that they don’t run well from the beginning, which I disagree with, but GM vehicles of the last half-century do seem to have a sort of “just keep going no matter what” spirit. The whole lineup has a similar feel to it, but when I think of a GM automobile that just won’t die, the first vehicle that comes to mind is the midsize front-wheel-drive A-body, produced for fourteen years, and still not an uncommon sight on the roads. I found these two low-mileage examples, in the fancier trims, for reasonable prices. Let’s take a look.
1985 Pontiac 6000 STE – $3,000
Engine/drivetrain: 2.8-liter overhead valve V6, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Hendersonville, NC
Odometer reading: 70,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives, but “needs some work”
“A Car For Every Purse And Purpose” was GM’s slogan back in the Alfred P. Sloan years. Cheap or expensive, plain or fancy, GM had you covered. The slogan went away, but the attitude remained. When the A-body came out in 1982, it was available in a wide range of trims, from four different divisions. This 6000 STE was the top of Pontiac’s range; it came with a multi-port fuel injected 2.8 liter V6, bucket seats, four-wheel disc brakes, and tighter suspension than the standard 6000. It was also available with a five-speed manual, but I’ve never seen one; every STE I’ve ever encountered had an automatic, including this one.
European sports sedans, from BMW and Audi and others, were all the rage in the mid ’80s, and GM intended the 6000 STE to compete with them – hence the upgraded suspension and brakes. Nobody cross-shopped this car and a 528e, of course, but that was the hope. This car also marked the beginning of Pontiac’s “button era”: just look at all those Tic-Tac-sized gray rubber buttons on the dash. It also, of course, has a digital dash.
This one has only 70,000 miles on it, from a single owner. We don’t get a lot of information on its condition, only that it “still runs” and “needs some work.” That’s useful; thank you. We get only a few photos to go by, as well. It looks good cosmetically; both the interior and exterior have held up well, and I suppose any mechanical woes can be repaired pretty easily.
Pontiac sure did put a lot of lights on the front of its cars in the ’80s. From the outside working in, those are low beams, high beams, and fog lights. The fog lights were exclusive to the STE; Pontiac did something similar with the top-of-the-line Sunbird, if I remember correctly.
1993 Cutlass Eurosport by General Motors – $2,800
Engine/drivetrain: 3.1-liter overhead valve V6, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Victorville, CA
Odometer reading: 94,000 kilometers
Operational status: Hard to say, actually
“This guy has lost his mind,” you must be thinking. “That’s an Oldsmobile if I ever saw one.” Well, yes and no. In the US, this car would have been called the Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera International Series – but this car was not sold, or built, in the US. It’s a Mexican model, sold through Chevrolet dealerships, and known only as the Cutlass by General Motors. This is the upscale model, the Eurosport, a trim level usually used by Chevrolet in the US.
The badges aren’t the only difference between this car and its US-market counterparts. It’s a two-door coupe, a body style not sold in the US after 1991. It’s powered by a 3.1 liter V6, unlike the US International Series models which received a Buick 3.8 liter, and while we got an overdrive automatic transmission in the Ciera by this point, the Mexican Cutlass soldiered on with the same old basic three-speed. You could also get a five-speed stick, but who knows how many were equipped that way?
It’s hard to ascertain its mechanical condition; the ad is translated from Spanish, and not well. Between the Spanish and English text in the ad, I think what the seller is saying is that it has had two owners, has new tires, and has some sort of mechanical problem with the engine. I’m not sure whether it runs and drives or not. Cosmetically, it’s a little rough around the edges, but basically intact, and the interior looks pretty nice.
Curiously, while this car was not sold as an Oldsmobile, I do see that it says “Oldsmobile” on the dash. I guess they imported the dash panels from the US, and didn’t remove the badging.
GM gets a lot of flak for badge-engineering their cars, but honestly, if the bones are solid, who cares what name is on the trunk lid? The A-body was nobody’s idea of a performance car, or a luxury car, but it was good, solid, comfortable, reliable transportation. Either one of these would be a hit at Radwood, of course, but they could also be useable transportation. So which one will it be: the all-American four-door, or the south-of-the-border coupe?
(Image credits: Facebook Marketplace sellers)
Doesn’t look like US plates on the non-Olds, so title and registration probably won’t happen, but since this is fantasy football, I’m going for it.
I’m going into my imaginary world for this showdown. I’m going to use my imaginary money to buy that “Not Olds” and imagine that there is nothing wrong with it and that imaginary drug lords won’t come kill me for the contents of the trunk. And I’m going to imagine that everything will be fine, just fine. Imagine that!
South of the border on order! I’ll take the 2-door international
mancar of mystery!Hmm, let’s do the math:
$2800<$3000
3.1L > 2.8L
and, importantly,
2-doors > 4-doors
The
OldsCutlass wins.the real question is how much on the EuroCutlass is correct underneath, what did some guy in TJ hide with incorrect body parts? The Poncho if legit mileage was likely a grandparents car that was held on to until the end, it likely needs all sort of soft parts replaced, but I suspect it is still nicer overall car in the end.
But the Pontiac has a euro-inspired suspension that was well reviewed at the time. While I much prefer the 2-door look, I’m very curious how well they managed to make an A-body handle.
My father owned a 6000 S/E which was gold and had gold toned factory alloys with a beige/tan interior. It had the lower body cladding and I’m pretty sure it had the 3100. I’m not sure exactly what model year it was. Based on that limited info would anyone here be able to tell me what year it was? I know it had to be later in the production cycle.
My father passed away two years ago but we really connected over a love of cars, that 6000 was the first car that really got me hooked on cars. The new car smell, cool looking bucket seats, and relatively low profile Goodyear gatorback tires were awesome to my young pre-teen self!
If it came with the 3.1 then it was a 1990 or 1991 MY.
Awesome, thanks for narrowing it down!
THAT’S MY 6000STE except that mine was light blue metallic.
They have the best dashboards, all digital and aside from the blue-green electroflourescent numbers and fuel bars, all the other lighting was red, and very legible while still being easy on the eyes. And looking cool.
As I remember it, Mark is wrong on one point. Those button are not rubber, they are hard gloss plastic. Rubber buttons didn’t come along for another decade, even TV remotes had hard buttons at this stage.
I kind of like both, but I’m leaning towards the Pontiac because my Spanish is limited to “words that have obvious cognates in Italian.”
My grandpa had that Cutlass, every time he left the house, he left black marks on the street and speed off. I never understood why until I drove that car, damn the gas pedal was like a on/off switch. All or nothing lol
I voted for Poncho. I drank the Car & Driver kool-aid back in the day and bought an ’86 STE right out of college in the very early 90s. So many buttons (’86 was the first year for the steering wheel buttons and composite headlights), and it was relatively quick and sophisticated feeling for its time. It didn’t stay long however, as the insurance tab was usurious for the then-20-something post college grad me.
The coupé looks good, but the engine may be completely shot. The fact that the seller is incompetent in both languages doesn’t provide any assurance that the engine problem may be minor or fixable.
Pontiac it is.
The absolute lack of bolsters on that velvety seating of the Pontiac is telling of American cars of that era.
Did the American market Olds get those seats? They look positively modern in comparison.
I really want that not-Olds, just for the quirkiness factor. But as interesting as it is, the not-from-here factor adds a level of stay away for me.
Voted Pontiac.
If the Olds was American, it would have the 3800 and a 4-speed, and it would win this showdown. There’s a ton of difference between a 85 A-body and a 93- more than is apparent from the sheetmetal, which didn’t change at all.
But the Mexico equipment combined with the sketch ad (does it run or not?) leads me to go with the STE.
Too bad it’s not a later STE with buttons on the steering wheel, too!
Interested in the 6000. Does it come with cruise control and reclining leather seats? I also want my old job back.
tsk. Nobody got the best joke at the 6000’s expense. For shame.
So would the Driver Information Center (or whatever GM used to call the 80s-90s computer readout) give warnings in Spanish on the Olds? Is that what I’m seeing in that last pic?
Either way, I went for the Olds for 2 less doors and sunroof (hoping it doesn’t leak).
It is in fact reading out in Spanish. I don’t know what “Enero” means but maybe it gives some clue as to the engine’s malady. Honestly, I’m impressed that GM went through the trouble of programming it to display information in Spanish.
“Enero” is January
So either an 18 month old photo, or more likely, the calendar isn’t properly set, as 1/29 was a Monday this year.
I was expecting Tuco Salamanca to arrive in a 442 and have a “conversation” with the junior accountant driving this not-Olds.
This was a really tough vote, I love both. I already have an 88 Ciera Brougham International I’m L67 swapping though, even also has a maroon leather interior. So I want the STE for variety, although I would try and talk the seller of the Olds into selling me the Information Center in the console, mine wasn’t equipped with one.
That Olds has the same wheels as my 1994 Achieva had. Also the burgundy interior (although mine was cloth). Those seats honestly look pretty mint. I’m going Olds.
Just think of all the opportunities for “Weeelllll aktshually…”-ing people you’ll get with that non-oldsmobile!
I don’t think I’ve ever considered a Pontiac an “upscale model”. However today I voted for it. I tossed a coin.
I low key wanted a later STE with a stick, good luck ever finding one lol
Couldn’t be hard to find whatever stick they used in a junkyard, though, right?
I voted for the Pontiac because of nostalgia.
I had a buddy in high school who had a Pontiac 6000 and loved it. He thought it was the greatest modern car GM ever made. That dude would flog it off the line every time.
Sure that wasn’t just that aggressive GM throttle tip-in at work?
I miss that GM trick. Everything felt like a muscle car…for 2 seconds.
I voted for the not-an-Olds, but I don’t know why
Today’s “choice” is tantamount to intentional infliction of emotional distress. You’ll be hearing from my lawyer. Also, “top-of-the-line Sunbird?” Sounds like an oxymoron.
Have to go with the Pontiac.
The body kit on that Olds looks like it was ordered from JC Whitney.
Buttons, I want buttons.