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Flashing Lights Can Also Cause Cars To Have ‘Digital Epileptic Seizures’

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If you’ve never seen someone have an epileptic seizure then you’ve missed out on one of life’s scary adventures. I distinctly remember sitting in my middle school auditorium during a presentation by a muscle-themed Christian group when a classmate in front of me started seizing. It was terrifying. He was eventually ok and we all learned about the dangers of flashing lights for certain individuals.

Did you know cars can be similarly impacted by flashing lights? Researchers from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Japanese tech company Fujitsu found that cars with advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) like Tesla’s Autopilot or Ford’s BlueCruise can experience “digital epileptic seizures” due to the flashing lights on emergency vehicles.

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The researchers were specifically interested in the “16 documented incidents involving Teslas (with autopilot engaged) crashing into parked emergency vehicles (police cars, ambulances, and firetrucks)” and have dubbed this phenomenon “Epilepticar.

The activation of emergency vehicle lighting creates a phenomenon, which we term the EpileptiCar phenomenon, that causes the confidence score of object detectors regarding a detected object (in our case it is a car) to fluctuate, within a wide score range, with the score dipping below a reasonable detection threshold in some cases.

You can see this happening in video of a flashing police light on a Ford Fiesta parked in the dark:

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And this is what it looks like on a graph:

Chart Of Confidence

Here are the researchers explaining exactly how the system is set up:

Five ADASs (HP, Pelsee, AZDOME, Imagebon, Rexing) and a smartphone camera (Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra) were used individually to record a 60- second video recording (the FPS and resolution of the ADAS footage can be found in Table 1, and the Samsung Galaxy footage was recorded at 24 FPS at FHD resolution) of a grey Ford Fiesta equipped with a blue emergency vehicle lighting(purchased on Amazon4).

The experimental setup is presented in Fig. 2. In the first 30 seconds of each recording, the car’s emergency vehicle lighting was off, and in the last 30 seconds, it was on (see Fig. 1). Each recorded video was segmented into frames, and the four object detectors were applied to each frame. The outputs were used to generate confidence score signals, a time series of the detector confidence score as a function of time/frame, for each ADAS/smartphone and object detector regarding car detection.

The most obvious issue here is that cars using hands-free driving systems could get confused by the lights. A human being seeing lights immediately knows what it is, but a computer doesn’t reason or infer in exactly the same way a human does.

“The EpileptiCar phenomenon highlights the important distinction that the ability of autonomous systems to implicitly handle these situations is still far from the level of a human,” said David Doria, director of engineering and automated driving at Magna in response to this research in an Automotive News article on the topic.

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What’s more interesting, to me, is that researchers say that used by someone hoping to attack a driverless car. You can imagine someone on the road, approaching a car employing an ADAS system, and then flashing a bunch of random lights at it in order to confuse the vehicle into stopping or slowing down. This could potentially work because, as we know, people often don’t pay attention when using these systems.

Is there a solution here?

The researchers suggest something they call “Caracetamol,” which is a portmanteau involving “car” and the headline drug “paracetamol.” Who says researchers aren’t funny?

Caracetimol
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It’s basically an identifying protocol of sorts that says “Hey, this is a police car or similar.”

Caracetamol is a software framework designed to enhance the resilience of object detectors against the EpileptiCar phenomenon. It utilizes a multi-layer architecture, including:

1) a classifier to identify the presence of flashing lights

2) a layer of refined object detectors trained on augmented data containing emergency vehicles with activated flashers.

3) a layer that combines the outputs of these refined detectors with the original object detector.

The researchers say they shared their findings with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the ADAS analyzed, and Tesla.  This just reiterates the concept that computers don’t think like humans and edge cases are everywhere.

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EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago

That’s why I don’t even want a self-drive car…it takes fun away.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

“ presentation by a muscle-themed Christian group”

What?

Hunky Jesus in middle school? Context tells me there were flashing lights involved, but still not much of a clue.

Defenestrator
Defenestrator
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford
CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago

So I’m wondering does it respond similarly to an infrared flashing light source and is anybody making an add on card for that weird flipper dolphin toy yet?

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
1 month ago

I don’t give one 10th of a damn about what flashing police lights do to self-driving cars.

I care about how every police car parked on the side of the road after dark is now a pulsating disco rave lightshow that forces me to look away and NOT KEEP MY EYES STRAIGHT AHEAD, because that is what the situation requires in the name of safety, so that I don’t become night-blind and crash into the cop car in question, or anyone else.

And I don’t even have chronic migraines and a seizure disorder like my wife, who cannot tolerate flashing or strobing lights, not even those nowhere near as bright as this bullshit: https://media.tenor.com/IRo577hv8hEAAAAM/police-car.gif

Cop car lights have been out of hand for decades now, and pose a very real and present danger to HUMAN DRIVERS, while keeping neither police nor civilians any safer than the good old-fashioned “gumball machines” on the police cruisers of my youth. Let’s change that for the sake of not blinding actual PEOPLE who drive cars – self-drivers can reap the benefit as a knock-on effect, but it is human drivers who need this to change, not self-driving cars.

Did anyone ever study this at all before they figured out that it freaks out self-driving cars? Nobody ever thought about what it does to human beings too?

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago

I agree 100%. My wife of sick of my raging everytime I see the blinding Po-Po Disco light shows. I comment everytime that I can’t believe that there isn’t some sort of safety regulation for this. It seems to be getting worse. It’s nuts

Aron9000
Aron9000
1 month ago

Ive noticed the same thing with tow trucks on the shoulder. Especially the heavy wreckers for semi trucks. Its like a chunk of the sun fell to earth on the side of a dark highway, completely blinds you. And ruins your night vision for the next couple miles till your eyes readjust.

Gaston
Gaston
1 month ago

Agreed. And would also add nighttime construction. Is there any reason they cannot direct their stadium lights AWAY from oncoming traffic? If I’m blinded by your lights, how does that make you safer? Of course these are often accompanied by the prerequisite police car with its cacaphony of lights. And I’m a responsible driver – I slow down (to the degree I won’t get rear-ended by the impatient jackasses) – so what situation does that create for the workers when blinded drivers are barreling through a construction zone?

First Last
First Last
1 month ago

So much this. Your average economy car has been smart enough to auto-dim the dashboard lights at night for the last several decades. How can there be no “night mode” for these fancy-pants modern emergency vehicle lights??

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago

So what you’re saying is driverless cars are powerless against raves and music festivals?

Droid
Droid
1 month ago

how are these level 2 & 3 systems not ceding command/control to operator when confronted with emergency flashers??
it’s not like the system didn’t see the flashing lights until impact, should be ample opportunity for system to say “hey i can’t handle this, take the wheel”.
ceding control has been criticized as a fatal flaw in level 2 & 3 cuz humans suck at that sort of on-demand task, but here is an obvious case where even the hapless operator knows the system should puke…and it plows into the firetruck anyways?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

researchers say that used by someone hoping to attack a driverless car. You can imagine someone on the road, approaching a car employing an ADAS system, and then flashing a bunch of random lights at it in order to confuse the vehicle into stopping or slowing down.

I think the solution would be for any AV being pulled over to automatically contact 911 to report the incident whom can dispatch help if its not an authentic stop.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Pulled over? I imagine an attack would involve a road block or ambush.

Which would be problematic, cause you can’t report every set of flashing lights stopped ahead of you.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

I think it’d be better than what we have now which is nobody auto dialing 911.

And actually yeah you could report every case of flashing lights. There aren’t THAT many emergency vehicles in a given area and those emergency vehicles are already set up with powerful 911 communication systems. They could (if rhey don’t already) have their own GPS location updates and flashing light reporting so all 911 has to do is connect the dots. If all the emergency vehicles are accounted for they will know the call needs help from a real cop.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I have a feeling you are unaware of just how severely overtaxed most 911 control centers already are. That’s just here in Canada. South of me, it’s my understanding that government funded agencies are shrinking, not growing. It’ll be an empty seat not answering calls soon enough.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

This would be done automatically by computers so it would not matter if the seat was empty.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

The automation feedback loop! I feel like that introduces more failure points than it solves.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

It shouldn’t. But if you want a human to oversee that’s totally possible. A call center can be anywhere in the world so just set it up where labor is cheap.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

That already has made customer service experiences where time sensitivity isn’t a factor, a needlessly difficult experience.

Also, would that labour have a tariff on it?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

That already has made customer service experiences where time sensitivity isn’t a factor, a needlessly difficult experience.

That doesn’t mean 911 has to be that way, even if it’s based offshore. If anything it might be better if there are multiple call centers that can route a call to the callers native language.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I love your optimism.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

Why not? OnStar has been doing this since 1996:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

For EVERY set of flashing lights they see? Last time I checked, it was when it saw parameters it deemed a car accident. QUITE a few less calls by comparison.

This is the equivalent to Andy Samberg calling the cops on every little thing around his house

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

Automatically calling for help since 1996. If the car can pull over for flashing lights it can call for help too.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Oh I’m aware of what it CAN do. I’m worried about everything on the other end of the line based off frequency alone.

In the winter here, that’s probably 2-8 calls, per day, per vehicle on that system.

Tow trucks, ambulances, snow plows, slow moving equipment, fire trucks, police, rent-a-cops, people flashing their brights at you…

There’s nearly endless sources for flashing lights in front of your vehicle.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

Only cops tend to use red and blue though (in the US) so only red and blue should trigger a stop and a call. Of those only a vanishingly few will need human intervention. That cuts down on the volume to a very manageable level

Those flashing lights can themselves also be programmed to flash in a unique sequence to further identify a cop vs something else. Or to tell AVs to move over vs pull over.

AVs are also not limited to the visible spectrum like humans are. There are many non visible colors cop car lights can also flash to let the target AV know to pull over.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

You think that wouldn’t be immediately exploited? That would be 10 times easier to induce an attack on someone cause you wouldn’t even need those attention tracking flashing lights. Just hit it with the invisible spectrum.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

The invisible colors would only further help the AV discern a cop from something else. If the AV sees only the invisible colors it can auto report the incident as a potential bad actor without pulling over.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Oh excellent, so now we’re sending LEOs out to false flags all over the place. There’s definitely no way to abuse that to tie up local law enforcement while something worse happens elsewhere.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

I doubt it. Traffic lights have already been using something similar for many years:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_signal_preemption

And yet there haven’t been a rash of bad actors messing with traffic signals.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I’m aware of that system. Our transit buses have signal priority systems on them.

You know why people don’t mess with the traffic priority system? Who wants to go to jail just so they can save 60 seconds at a light?

Also, I’m not sure how signaling a light to change early relates to our conversation of tying up Emergency Response resources.

The light manages independently and doesn’t vet who or what is signaling it. It simply obeys.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

So why would anyone want to go to jail pulling over AVs? If they aren’t willing to go to jail to avoid 60 seconds of red light its certainly not to get AVs to get out of the fast lane. It must be something more…

Carjacking? Bad idea to jack a car that has already called the cops, is recording every moment of the jacking, probably transmitting it in real time including a clear view of the driver, will broadcast its GPS position every step of the way and might even be hobbled or shut down remotely locking everyone inside. Or you might just lead the cops straight to the chop shop while the car records it all.

Robbery? Good luck. All the credit and debit cards are going to be frozen/cancelled and the car will get everything on camera. Hope that $40 in cash + seat change, fake Rolex, tacky school ring and empty Big Gulp cup was worth prison.

“Also, I’m not sure how signaling a light to change early relates to our conversation of tying up Emergency Response resources.

The light manages independently and doesn’t vet who or what is signaling it. It simply obeys.”

And you don’t think a bad actor could figure out a way to cause chaos with that? You disappoint me.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Considering the light follows a normal countdown sequence when signaled, and doesn’t just immediately flip. The most you could do is cause traffic to back up by shortening the cycle.

Traffic lights, by nature of their placement, are pretty high traffic areas with a lot of eyes and/or cameras. Most intersections that have signal priority also have cameras. It’d be pretty easy to figure out which car tripped it.

If you’re going to go through the effort of tricking a FSD vehicle into pulling over, you’re probably setting up someplace remote.

Which means that the car may not have signal, or response times from emergency services would be absolute shit. Especially when a couple thousand other cars in that district are constantly hammering the call center with false flags.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

The most you could do is cause traffic to back up by shortening the cycle.

Or you could crash a truck into the control box to take out the lights completely, abandon the bashed truck in the middle of the intersection and hop on a nearby getaway vehicle.

Boom. Chaos.

“Most intersections that have signal priority also have cameras. It’d be pretty easy to figure out which car tripped it.”

As I’ve been pointing AVs have lots of cameras too.

And that assumes the lights look like cop lights mounted on a car and aren’t a small, anonymous looking object equipped with cheap flashing laser pointers directed at the sensors. Something like that would be a lot easier and cheaper to make than a fake cop car. Less traceble too.

“If you’re going to go through the effort of tricking a FSD vehicle into pulling over, you’re probably setting up someplace remote.”

If someone wants to stop a car in a remote area a spike strip is even easier, much more reliable and universal than impersonating a cop.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

You’re really reaching now. A traffic accident will back up traffic. Just like any traffic accident would.

Spike strip is no good if you wanna take the car. Even if it’s just to get it off the road and not attract attention. Plus you run the risk of getting multiple vehicles when you’re trying to target one.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

“You’re really reaching now”

I’m not the one who brought up bad guys using flashing lights to pull over AVs. That is about as feasible as the auto industry fearmongering of a few years ago that right to repair would enable rapists to use newfangled wireless diagnosis technology in their crimes.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/36113/auto-industry-scare-campaign-is-trying-to-trick-voters-into-killing-a-landmark-right-to-repair-law

A traffic accident will back up traffic. Just like any traffic accident would.”

The goal was to “tying up Emergency Response resources” right? This would do the job and be much easier than faking a police stop. Knock the traffic light into the intersection too for good measure.

“Spike strip is no good if you wanna take the car. Even if it’s just to get it off the road and not attract attention.”

Different tools for different jobs. If you want to take the car intact set up a roadblock. Or stage an accident.

“Plus you run the risk of getting multiple vehicles when you’re trying to target one”

Which is the exact same problem as flashing lights in the presence of multiple AVs. And they will ALL be calling 911 and ALL record the incident.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

I distinctly remember sitting in my middle school auditorium during a presentation by a muscle-themed Christian group

Yeech! That right there is scary enough!

Dead Elvis, Inc.
Dead Elvis, Inc.
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Apparently, Matt spent part of his childhood observing a story element from the Righteous Gemstones.

Last edited 1 month ago by Dead Elvis, Inc.
Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
1 month ago

You’d think standard emergency vehicle lights would be considered a basic thing a “self-driving” car would be prepared for, not an edge case.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

” a computer doesn’t reason or infer in exactly the same way a human does.”
 a computer doesn’t reason or infer!

Beto O'Kitty
Beto O'Kitty
1 month ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

not yet.,…….lol

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago
Reply to  Beto O'Kitty

 “That Terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!”. 

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
1 month ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

…And it absolutely will not stop, ever, unless you have a flashing light.

Beto O'Kitty
Beto O'Kitty
1 month ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Good thing my POV has a light bar!

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago

I would expect something like this on something like a Grand Malquis, but not a Tesla.

Sorry, I should have bitten my tongue on that.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 month ago

Combine this article with the one about reflective gear:

https://www.theautopian.com/reflective-safety-clothing-might-make-you-invisible-to-some-automatic-emergency-braking-systems/

As an EMT who finds himself in the middle of the road at night on a somewhat regular basis, I find all of this unsettling.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
1 month ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

To be fair… the bright flashing lights on your emergency vehicle make everything nearby hard to see.

Musicman27
Musicman27
1 month ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

In emergency services attempt to be seen, they make it impossible to see…

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 month ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

That’s true. Sometimes it makes things harder to see for us , too. There’s a new system slowly being adopted that syncs up all the lights on the emergency vehicles at a given scene. They all flash slowly and together. Supposedly it helps, haven’t seen it in person yet.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
1 month ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

You are a hero, thank you.

StupidAmericanPig
StupidAmericanPig
1 month ago

My stepdaughter was riding in the back seat of a vehicle that was T-Boned. She got a broken neck from the wreck so there were multiple police cars, ambulances at the scene. All I can say is that it was chaos, and difficult to see even just walking through the scene. My daughter turned out to be fine, thank goodness, but the idea of computer vision making sense of all the light pollution coming from multiple directions seems like a nightmare to sort. I think that the newer emergency lights are several times brighter than something like an old 70-00’s cop show depicts too. Those LEDs are crazy bright and I’m sure they clip/maxout the cameras sensors. Seems like yet another reason to not rely solely on cameras for self driving…

Clear_prop
Clear_prop
1 month ago

Even for human drivers, the extreme amount of strobes on modern emergency vehicles is tough to see through.

I was slowly driving past an accident scene at night in the rain once and almost hit an officer directing traffic wearing a reflective orange raincoat since all the strobes from all the emergency vehicles were flooding my vision with strobe spots and he was invisible to me. Fortunately I saw him at the last moment.

The super bright fast strobes favored by so many agencies are just blinding to drivers, human or robot. Smarter agencies use slow flasher style lights that ramp up slow enough to not be blinding.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

AI is a dumb as it was when I studied it in uni 43 years back. Processors and storage have made it more flexible and quicker, but it’s still dumb as a rock compared to a 2 yr old dog.

Erik Hancock
Erik Hancock
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

You’re absolutely right! The hardware has advanced so much that it can mask the underlying stupidity of the system. Until, that is, there is an unhandled condition that ends catastrophically. As you say, the research on this problem has been available for half a century. These modern AI systems are just faster but you still have the edge-case problem. The “Caracetamol” solution proposed by the researchers is a symptom of the weakness of all these systems. They encountered a dangerous failure state and developed a custom patch to address this unique condition (SirenExists?). This patch now gets overlaid onto what was supposed to be a general intelligence learning system. It becomes an escape condition that overrides the normal decision-making process. The problem is that by now, all of these driver-assist systems have become a rat’s nest of escape conditions to handle all of the accumulated and dangerous edge cases. Because their business model is based on beta testing in the real world, we have to find out on public roads what happens when Caracetamol interacts with, say, someone’s hi-vis running shirt.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

We used to call it a brittle system back in the day. The thing that makes me nervous are the vast number of edge and corner cases that can occur in the real work that cannot possibly be anticipated. Sure you can patch and shim in bandaids, but the system will never be complete and will get progressively more unstable.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

Started out on Lisp and prolog, worked on Symbolics Workstations doing a legal statute language translation system which failed spectacularly. That was a well defined problem with a theoretically solvable solution until multiple languages and legal interpretations are added into the mix.

DriveSheSaid
DriveSheSaid
1 month ago

Is Mary Hart driving?!

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago
Reply to  DriveSheSaid

That red light is burning into my brain! My rods and cones are all messed up.

DriveSheSaid
DriveSheSaid
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

You’ve got to stop eating that Kenny Rogers Chicken so late if it’s gonna affect you that way!

Icouldntfindaclevername
Icouldntfindaclevername
1 month ago

Geez, I have the same problem with the lights and I’m not epileptic. Especially with the new modern ULTRA BRIGHT lights on police cars now.

Yeah, I get they’re suppose to keep the officer safe and to inform divers they are there, but why blind everyone? Least for me, my pupils can’t open and close fast enough at night.

Usernametaken
Usernametaken
1 month ago

I particularly dislike when, say it’s night, precipitating, you slow and pull over to let the fire truck roll past then realize you can’t see a goddamn thing while the traffic behind you expects you to merge back in

Jatkat
Jatkat
1 month ago

My question is, why, when they are responding to a call, and are parked in a parking lot, do the lights need to be in full AAHHH PURSUIT mode??

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
1 month ago
Reply to  Jatkat

With all due respect to our first responders…. They keep the lights flashing in the parking lot because they like the attention

Musicman27
Musicman27
1 month ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Real life is NOT Need For Speed people.

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