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For One Glorious Moment, All The World’s Most Important People Drove Fords

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Try to imagine the scene. It’s a billionaire’s gleaming ice palace deep in subarctic Iceland. He’s found a new way to use diamonds to provide sunlight for darkened places to help them grow plants year-round (or so he says). He’s invited the most important people in the world. Business leaders, politicians, the media, and a few spies are on hand for a demonstration.

What do all of these elites drive? Ford products. Range Rovers. Jaguars. Volvos. Aston Martins. At least one Thunderbird. A whole crap ton of Lincolns.

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Actually, you don’t have to try very hard to imagine it because you can just rent a copy of the James Bond film Die Another Day and you’ll see for yourself. All these products were a part of the short-lived Premiere Automotive Group, or PAG, an experiment by Ford’s then-CEO Jacques Nasser to unite a bunch of luxury brands under one Ford-owned company.

If viewed only through the lens of the parts-bin Jaguar X-Type, Ford’s brief experiment in creating a spinoff luxury automaker wasn’t particularly successful and its eventual dismantling was a good thing. Looking at the film, however, is a reminder of how many great cars were made during the era.

Die Another Day Is A Ridiculous Film With Equally Ridiculous Cars

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I must credit the excellently named Landau Calrissian on Twitter/X for pointing out the “universe portrayed in Die Another Day where the world’s superpowers only drives Ford Premier Automotive Group cars.”

It sounds like insane product placement, and to some degree, it is (more on that in a minute), but it’s not entirely unreasonable as a universe. Ford PAG came into existence almost exactly 25 years ago and eventually included Lincoln, Mercury, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, and Volvo.

Range Rovers are popular vehicles for world leaders, as are Volvos, Lincolns, and Jaguars. Would a world leader show up in a Land Rover Freelander as depicted here? Maybe not, but it’s fun to think about. The Volvo 850 wagons and Volvo S60 are sensible choices by, presumably, sensible politicians from Nordic countries.

Here in the United States, leaders tend to choose Cadillacs, but Lincolns are also associated with state vehicles. How a dozen Lincoln Town Car limos ended up in Iceland is anyone’s guess, but if you’re making space lasers out of conflict diamonds I guess vehicle importation isn’t that much of a stretch.

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The J. Mays T-Bird is definitely the outlier in the group, but that doesn’t belong to a world leader. It’s the vehicle of choice for Halle Berry’s Giacinta “Jinx” Johnson, an NSA agent who just happens to love Thunderbirds. She’s paired with Bond, who drives a Vanquish, in a fight against a North Korean Agent who drives a Jaguar XKR (these cars are covered in my James Bond story from earlier this month).

It’s not a great movie. As the Wall Street Journal‘s film critic explained at the time: “James Bond gets bad news in “Die Another Day”: They’ve rescinded his license to kill. The news is worse for us. They’ve given him license to bore.” That’s rough, and only partially accurate, as both Rosamond Pike and Halle Berry are fun to watch.

It wasn’t truly a failure as the film netted $430 million, making it the highest-grossing Bond film at the time. Surely the movie was helped by almost $100 million in co-promotion from companies like the Ford Motor Company.

They Spent How Much?

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One of the ways large movies make more money is by using product placement to cover some of their promotional costs. Sometimes this can be a company paying to be in a film, but just as often the company agrees to spend a certain amount of money on co-branded marketing to get people into theaters.

In the case of Die Another Day, various brands spent $100 million in product placement-related marketing. The biggest chunk of that came from Ford and PAG, at a reported $37 million. Why would Ford do this?

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According to long-time PR man Simon Sproule, who was VP of Comms at Jaguar Land Rover at the time, the impetus was CEO Jacques Nasser, who wasn’t happy to see Bond driving BMWs in the prior three films. With a new Vanquish coming, Nasser saw the opportunity and personally negotiated with Barbara Brocolli, the producer whose family runs Eon productions and guards the Bond legacy, to pass an Aston to Bond.

Of course, $37 million is a lot of money for Aston Martin.

“Much to the chagrin of those at Ford Motor Company, it was their marketing budget that carried the single biggest load for that ad spend and they weren’t happy about it,” said Sproule. “Aston Martin didn’t have any money, so they got a free ride.”

Did Aston Martin sell a lot more cars because of the movie? I don’t know. I do know that Aston Martin went from a company selling hundreds of cars a year to one selling thousands, which isn’t a bad sign. Plus, without this move, it’s possible we’d have been deprived of Daniel Craig in an Aston Martin (and a Ford Mondeo) in the excellent Casino Royale.

Hot Take: PAG Was Good

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Source: James Bond/Eon Productions

PAG was disassembled in chunks, with Lincoln and Mercury being removed in 2002, and Ford eventually selling Aston Martin, Jaguar Land Rover, and Volvo between 2006 and 2008 as CEO Alan Mulally tried to horde cash ahead of an impending financial crisis.

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That was probably the smart move given that Ford avoided bankruptcy and those brands have, to varying degrees, gone on to be successful on their own. In the imagination of Very Online Car People, it seems like parts-sharing projects like the ill-fated Jaguar X-Type are what people remember of PAG. This isn’t entirely unfair as PAG was a “parts-sharing bonanza,” as Road & Track called it.

I think that’s a little oversimplified, however. There were many truly great and/or important cars built during that period.

“In defense of PAG, it was what Volkswagen did,” said Sproule. “The grouping of luxury brands was arguably started by VW and Jacques saw that and put together a pretty complimentary set. I’ve probably drunk too much Kool-Aid at this point, but if you look at the cars you had something for everybody.”

A quick look back and there are, indeed, many great cars running the spectrum of what you might like. Just looking at the Die Another Day parking lot there’s the L322 Range Rover, which was engineered in large part by BMW during the company’s brief ownership of Land Rover. Ford would go on to stuff some Jaguar V8s underhood, making these fast and fun 4x4s.

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Volvos of this era are also great. Thomas mentioned recently the success of the V8-powered Volvo S80 and I’m partial to the early Volvo C30, which was jointly developed with Mazda and Ford and built on a platform shared with the contemporary Mazda3 and Ford Focus. These are gorgeous and quick little hatchbacks. They’re also one of the best examples of parts bin key-swapping working out for all partners involved.

Our own Stephen Walter Gossin is a huge fan and collector of PAG-vintage Jaguar XK8s and for good reason. These are still gorgeous cars in pre- or post-facelift guise. Ian Callum knew what he was doing.

“PAG cars are now starting to fit squarely into the criteria that draw me to cars: cheap, broken, and a little bit out of the mainstream,” Gossin told me.

He even likes the X-Type.

“I’m now on my second sub-$1K X-Type (since those cars have been broken and dotting every Craigslist across the land for years now), and have really started to appreciate a car that had faced criticism nearly its entire existence. V6, leather, moonroof, AWD and Ford parts make them a truly outstanding cheap buy in my book. Yes, there are a few strange engineering decisions here and there, but for the most part, it’s one of the best “Junior Executive” cars you can buy for the money.”

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According to SWG, XKs are “shockingly robust, reliable vehicles.”

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Even better in my mind are the DEW98-platform trio of the Jaguar S-Type, Ford Thunderbird, and the Lincoln LS. I think history will be kinder to the T-Bird, but we’re already smitten with the LS. As Thomas wrote:

Overall, the Lincoln LS is a better car than you might expect. It was an intriguing experiment with promising early results, only made possible thanks to the mergers and acquisitions mess that was Ford’s Premier Automotive Group. Without Jaguar bones, it’s possible we could’ve ended up with a Lincoln-badged Contour, or yet another Lincoln-badged Taurus. More importantly, the Lincoln LS showed gumption, for an attempt at an America 5 Series while the legendary E39 was still in production wasn’t for the faint of heart.

You can fault the world leaders in Die Another Day for almost accidentally falling victim to a secret plan by a crazy billionaire with space-themed dreams to help our enemies, but you can’t fault them for their car choices.

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Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

So when do we get SWG’s
JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
article?!

Pedro
Pedro
1 month ago

Everyone in Hawaii 50 drove Fords. BOOK HIM DANNO!!!!!!

TXJeepGuy
TXJeepGuy
1 month ago

I love the absurdity of this Bond movie.. which to me is what Bond movies are supposed to be sometimes. The gritty, realistic Daniel Craig movies are great, but the Brosnan era was a bit more fun.

I recall reading an article years ago that said most of these cars were riding on Explorer frames with 4wd for the ice driving shots.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  TXJeepGuy

You can’t take Bond seriously, but it’s also action fun. And I like to think Brosnan did a better job walking that line than Craig. But a lot of people felt Brosnan too stiff and proper, but maybe that helps.

Fiji ST
Fiji ST
1 month ago

I want to know who’s the dumbass who left the top down on their Jag in the 5th picture. Going to be some frozen leather seats!

Phuzz
Phuzz
1 month ago
Reply to  Fiji ST

Surely you’d have staff to deal with trivialities like that?

Samagon
Samagon
1 month ago
Reply to  Fiji ST

that’s a feature, it’s a lovely “how do you do” when you sit down on the seats first thing in the morning.

it’s the same feature in reverse when leather is being used in vehicles in the south during the summer, have a seat when you’re wearing some shorts, after letting the leather bake for the afternoon, you get a similar “how do you do”.

how did leather get picked as the luxury option in cars?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 month ago

Yeah, Die Another Day was an extremely cheesy Bond movie (the plot was literally an Austin Powers -esque “space laser” ffs!) but Ford made the right call with its marketing. I was 12 when that movie came out and as a kid from rural Ohio raised on pickup trucks, that Aston Martin was the coolest car I had ever seen.

The real shame in that movie was the Thunderbird wrote checks it couldn’t cash lol.

ES
ES
1 month ago

i never saw any Austin Powers, but thought this movie was about on a par with Moonraker.

Oops, Jack Trade beat me to the comparison.

Last edited 1 month ago by ES
Rippstik
Rippstik
1 month ago

Oh my goodness, you’ve posted a C30 in the exact same spec I had (Cosmic White/Java). Mine was a 6 speed manual and I had to travel almost 1000 miles to go get it, as the 6 speeds were relatively hard to find. I cannot stress how underrated those cars were (especially with some bolt ons and a tune).

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago

I say this as someone who doesn’t like Die Another Day: calling it boring is bad criticism.

License to bore probably sounded clever, but it is actually the opposite of the film’s problems – it’s so desperate to hold your attention that it’s throwing everything at the wall. Most of it doesn’t make any sense, everything is loud and bright with too many moving parts – the Goldfinger homage with the laser where everything starts spinning. The editing is erratic, the plot incoherent, and the visual style is a mess.

But it’s not boring, because boring implies that little is happening. Boring is when you’re understimulated. Die Another Day is the opposite of that, it’s all stimulation. I hate the movie, but it’s not boring at all.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Citrus

It’s very much the era’s Moonraker – good parts here and there, but the overall take home is just silliness.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Citrus

Also, Bond surfing on a tidal wave with CGI so bad, it makes Air Force One and Escape from LA look like Jurassic Park

Samagon
Samagon
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

a lot of movies in the late ’90s, and early ’00s were campy in all the wrong ways.

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Oh God that scene. I remember a friend watched it before me and I asked if it was any good. He said no, he just said “there’s a scene with surfing, and oof the CGI…”

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago

While the DEW cars did fairly well at hitting their target, fact is those Jag bones include the ghost of Lucas with zone computing at its infancy and are objectively a POS in that regard. The hydraulic fan of the earlier models is another nightmare of stupid design as is much of the cooling system. There is a reason the Lincolns and Jags disappeared quickly. The high survival rate of T-birds is due in no small part that most didn’t rack up that many miles, were well cared for, and thus are seen as worth spending money on them. Plus only the 02s didn’t have the updates that addressed at least some of the stupidity. That said a sunny day, top down with the Mrs beside me is worth it.

Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago

The Icelandic car scene is wonderfully eclectic – doing through pics from my trip, I’ve got a street parked 1st gen Ford Cortina next to a Dodge Stratus, ZJ’s and WJ’s next to Nissan Micras, random pairs of 2nd gen Chrysler vans, Saab 9-6’s with giant Buick estate wagons and Opel Omegas, so many balloon tire’d trucks, a smattering of old Soviet stuff. I can pretty much guarantee if you want to find a phalanx of Town Car limos, you can find a phalanx of Town Car limos.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago

All the fords near a fjord

OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
1 month ago

That’s because only a Ford can ford a fjord.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago

OK, hottish take here: I am a huge James Bond fan, and really like Die Another Day. It takes a while to get rolling, and they never really establish how Bond regains M’s trust so quickly, but the rest of the flick is basically a Roger Moore-style Bond flick, right down to the weird CGI subbing in for the bad backscreen effects.

You have a guy with diamonds on his face driving a Jag convertible loaded with rocket launchers on a frozen lake in Iceland. You have Bond driving an Aston Martin through an ice hotel. You Michael Madsen (Brosnan’s neighbour) showing up for no reason whatsoever! He doesn’t even advance the plot! It’s fun!

Maybe I am an outlier. Maybe there are people out there that thought Spectre was good (spoiler alert: it isn’t). But this is a hill on which I will die…

…another day.

Last edited 1 month ago by Rollin Hand
Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

We’re probably about ten years from Die Another Day getting a View To A Kill-type turnaround where it gets appreciated for just how dumb, campy, and occasionally fun it is.

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago
Reply to  Maymar

View to a Kill is one of those movies which is a lot more fun on paper than it is to watch.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago
Reply to  Maymar

As much as it’s a bad movie, it’s sort of the antidote to the overly gritty, ultra serious action movies we get now. I like the Daniel Craig movies, but Bond movies are fun when they’re campy. The series became a cultural touchstone with laser evasion, quirky villains, and characters like Pussy Galore. Not perfectly crafted gun fights.

View to a Kill is similarly bonkers.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago

A View to a Kill is nuts. Christopher WALken…as..a Bond….VILlain…

Then there’s the fact that Roger Moore looks way too old in it.

But…it was fun in its own way. I especially loved the Michelin product placement: car goes in water with normal tires, but when Bond uses the tires for air while underwater, they have GIANT WHITE Michelin logo on them.

I have to watch Moonraker again at some point because I’ve basically forgotten it. Same with Octopussy, but for different reasons.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

buy view to a kill had Duran Duran AND Grace Jones, that makes up for a lot of it!

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  Nycbjr

One of my fave Bond themes. GREAT video too.

Samagon
Samagon
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

maybe he didn’t look as old in it, but For Your Eyes Only featured the underage ice skater trying to get in his pants, that was a special kind of campy in an otherwise pretty good Bond film that wasn’t over the top with lasers, flying cars, voodoo, or henchmen with killer teeth.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  Samagon

FYEO was the first one I saw in a theatre, and hews closer toy he books than any of the other Moore Bonds. A classic, in my view.

Tinibone
Tinibone
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

I’m with you on this one, probably also helped by it being the first Bond film I saw in the cinema. Definitely one of the underrated Bond movies IMO

Samagon
Samagon
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

I know I haven’t enjoyed any of the Daniel Craig Bond films.

but then, they’re Christopher Nolan Batman vs any other Batman.

anyway, before this newer version of Bond came out, I liked the Connery films a lot more than I did the others, but I’ve swung around since the Craig films have come out and I appreciate the campy Moore, Dalton and Brosnan Bond movies a lot more.

anyway, at the end of the day, Spies Like us From Russia with Love is the best Bond movie, and Moore was the best Bond.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  Samagon

I like Casino Royale a lot.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago

That movie sucked the big one. Bigly.

Unless Daniel Craig plays Bond, I’m out.
Or bring back Sean Connery.

Last edited 1 month ago by Col Lingus
Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
1 month ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Daniel Craig’s Bond is dead, so that leaves Connery. I’ll get the shovel!

Samagon
Samagon
1 month ago

not sure there’s a lot of people who want to see a Bond version of Weekend at Bernie’s.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Or bring back Sean Connery.

Only if he’s also Zed from Zardoz

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
1 month ago

I picked up the blue XK in the article with 126K on it and a few trim items that need attention for $5K from a guy at a tattoo shop.

He said one of his customers traded it for some ink work (which must’ve been some serious tats, said as a guy with 2 sleeves) and that he was “into Chevy trucks” and wasn’t at all interested in it.

I think it’s one of the prettiest I’ve ever owned out of 145 cars and Im still thanking my lucky stars that I was able to buy it that glorious day. Replacement parts are pretty expensive, but it’s so sexy that it’s a worthwhile trade-off.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

Wow! 145 cars and you’re what, about half my age! Kudos!

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

SWG’s comment, and James Carson’s reply, prove that we are all in the right place.

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

Thanks James! It’s been a lifelong passion, starting in ’95.

Most of them were way under $1K and almost all of them were broken so it’s not as glorious as the number may seem.

I used to go to public repo/abandoned car auctions and leave with 2-3 per auction.

Cheers bud!

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

You are TRULY living the dream! I can’t wait to get my own junkyard/field of old rusty classics…that’s heaven right there
(Also, saw all the terrible flooding in West NC and hope everything is goin ok- I think you are East though)

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
1 month ago

Out of curiosity, how close is the total tab on those 145 cars to the total on the two sleeves?

Stephen Walter Gossin
Stephen Walter Gossin
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

Ink ain’t cheap, that’s for sure! Neither are Jag repairs though.

Ottomottopean
Ottomottopean
1 month ago

Truth. Good ink can’t be found on Craigslist.

The Bonnie Situation
The Bonnie Situation
1 month ago

I would read an article about this Jag, or any other SWG Jag adventures

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

We’ve actually been waiting for months…almost a year now? For 1 article

Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
1 month ago

Lincoln, Mercury, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, and Volvo”

One of these things is not like the others.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
1 month ago

If anything it would’ve made sense to bundle Mercury with Mazda and Volvo into a Midprice Auto Group. It would be everything the Edsel planners wanted but never got

– Mazda for the “E-F” target demo, the “young up-and-comers” who want something a bit nicer than the equivalent Ford for not much more outlay (in ’00s terms, the difference between the huge discounts applied to every Ford and Mazda’s much-closer-to-MSRP ATPs).
– Volvo for the “E-M” demo of established upper-middle-class in prime career and kid-raising years.
– And the Mercury Grand Marquis in particular for the Edsel target cohort who had been those young up-and-comers in the late ’50s and were newly-retired by the mid ’00s.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Yeah, but saying your brand is in the “Mid-price Auto Group” is marketing unaliving. You might well call it the “Meh Auto Group.”

Masterbuilder
Masterbuilder
1 month ago

The drophead XKR is superb.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago

I think history will be kinder to the T-Bird

I’ve always thought that too.

B/c it looked retro-ish, people unfairly compared it with the classics (but only some of them…nobody was saying “yeah the ’70s ones were so much better”) and seemingly expected Ford to mass-produce a completely unique car with no shared parts at a Ford price.

For what it was and was intended to be, it was cool. Though personally, the “base” alloy fan wheels looked so much better than the fake chrome spoked ones that seemingly everyone optioned.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jack Trade
Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

I dunno – have you ever seen a Thunderbird at speed with the soft top up?
The roof balloons up to a ridiculous degree.
Not even Mustangs do that.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Yikes – I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a soft top one…seems like many buyers went with the hardtop, to get the full retro, porthole window thing.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

All the cars have a soft top, the hard top was included or optional depending on the trim level. So if you see one with a hard top there is a soft top folded up underneath it.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Easy solution, put the top down!

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

That’s the rub:
The Jimmy Buffet set who own these rarely put the roof down.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I’m aware. But they are doing it wrong.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

That’s my comment every time I come up on someone in a convertible with the top up when it’s not raining.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I wouldn’t go quite that far. If it’s under 40 or over 100 I usually keep mine up, it’s too taxing for the climate control to attempt to keep me comfortable outside of those temps. Probably even over 95 now that I live somewhere super humid.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

If you’ve never driven top down/windows up over the mountains in winter when there’s snow on the ground – bundled up in a coat, hat, gloves – with heaters running full blast…
…you haven’t lived.

You’re right about the humidity tho – When it’s 90+, as much as I want to run w the roof down, melting at every stop light is no fun.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Oh I’ve done it. I have pics of my Miata at a ski resort on a snowstorm. I’ve also ridden my motorcycle 35 miles down the freeway in sub freezing temps, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea or something I care to replicate haha.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Oh, I couldn’t do that in a motorcycle – I’d be a meat icicle.

Yeah, when I was going up and over the pass on the 5 between Mt Shasta and Oregon the winter before COVID, I’m sure the truckers on the road thought “Here’s a nutcase” as I raced past them top down in a light snow fall….
…pea coats, wool driving caps and seat heaters suit the purpose perfectly in situations such as these.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Haha yeah I had heated gloves, heated grips, and like 5-6 layers covering everything else. It was supposed to be like 55 that afternoon and gorgeous so I wanted to go for a ride after work, but that meant going for a ride at 5am to get to work too. Not smart, but no regrets

Last edited 1 month ago by Brandon Forbes
Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Personally I think those early painted base wheels are the worst of the bunch and the completely flat chrome spokes are only slightly behind them. The later chromes with the groove in the spoke look a little better. My favorite is the later machined face 20 spoke which is what I put on mine.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Scoutdude

In my mind, I’m thinking the early flat 7 (?) spoke ones…seemed liked absolutely everyone had them.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Yeah those are really common on the earlier cars, If for no other reason that it was an option that added more profit for the dealer so they checked that box on just about every order they made.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

A lot of the hate I have seen is the same as what was levied at the Prowler. Beautiful car, wrong powertrain. This was back in the days of 4 speed auto-tragics and no one wanted one in their sports cars. The Prowler and T-Bird both were seen as cosplayers because they had the looks, but not enough to back it up.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Though in the T-bird’s case, it always seemed to me a little misplaced – it was supposed to call to mind the first gen, a personal luxury car, not say that 10th gen Super Coupes. Unlike say the Mercury Marauder, which was supposed to evoke a vintage muscle sedan, so Ford’s mismatching of the engine (or even just the gearing) really hurt there.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Whether misplaced or not, people expected it to compete with the Corvette but with the classic styling, and it didn’t. I get that’s not what Ford was aiming for, but that just shows they misread the market because that’s what people wanted.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

What’s really interesting is that was kinda Ford’s thing back then. The initial high revver 4.6 that Ford put in the Mustang in ’96 totally
disappointed buyers after the 5.0’s low end grunt, despite Ford’s constant “but it has the same power” refrain.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

Haha back then? Ford continues to honor its legacy of disappointing buyers even now! Just look at all the recalls.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

I think it was mainly the auto jurnos that wanted it to compete with the Corvette, not the general public. Would it have sold better if it was a Corvette competitor is hard to say. I think the biggest issue it faced were the dealers who saw the buzz about it and tacked on big ADP stickers which glued them to the showroom floor. That meant that when it came time to order the significantly improved 03’s they balked due to the ones they still had glued to the showroom floor. I personally believed that the same thing would have happened if it were a Vette competitor and the ADP stickers might have been even bigger.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Thunderbird was never, ever a Corvette competitor.
About the only thing they had in common was two seats and a drop roof for the first 3 years of Thunderbird.
TBird was set up as a boulevard cruiser, and by the time Thunderbird came out, Corvette was well on it’s way as a performance car.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

The engine in the Maraduer was the most powerful that Ford had at the time, that would fit in on the standard production line. The biggest issue was the gearing as the bean counters said no way to the 4.10 gears it was designed with and made them substitute the 3.55s which might not have been so bad had it not got ~29″ tall rear tires.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

The 3.9L V8’s and 5-speed autos gave the T-Bird’s plenty of pep, especially 03 and later. The transmission did suck though, but I get why Ford went with it.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago

I always wished that Ford went with yhe 3-valve 4.6 in the T-Bird, and the IRS from the LS/TBird on the Mustangs of the time.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Or the complete S-Type R drivetrain

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

The T Bird did have the IRS from the Lincoln and S Type
Mustang did not.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Exactly my point. Why didn’t it? And what has been stopping the aftermarket from making it so?

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Ford decided that the IRS was too costly for Mustang.
IMHO, They were right.

Tim R
Tim R
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Exactly. I loved the look of these but you could get much more performance for much less. If Ford had put a little more effort into these, they could have carved out a convertible niche like mazda

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