Home » Fun-Size Fixer-Uppers: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX vs 1986 Toyota MR2

Fun-Size Fixer-Uppers: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX vs 1986 Toyota MR2

Sbsd 7 24 2024
ADVERTISEMENT

Welcome back! Today we’re taking a look at a couple of small sporty numbers that both run and drive, but neither one is quite ready for prime time. And both could benefit greatly from more sympathetic owners, it sounds like.

But first, let’s finish up with yesterday’s off-roaders. It was a close-ish vote, as I thought it might be, but the Daihatsu takes the win. It sounds like the uniqueness of it was a factor: YJs are everywhere, but how often do you get a chance at a Daihatsu Rocky? I think the little flying squirrel would be my choice too.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

Several of you, including our own illustrious YJ-owner-in-chief, said that if the Jeep had had a 4.0 inline six instead of the 2.5 liter four, the voting would have been very different. I suppose that’s true, but honestly, I’d be fine with a four-cylinder YJ, as long as it’s a manual. And yes, I have driven one. Just downshift and step on it when you need to.

Screenshot From 2024 07 23 17 05 54

If there’s one thing that’s sorely missing from today’s new car market, it’s fun. We have very fast, very capable cars that will blow the doors off anything made previously, but they’re all oh so serious. The designs make them look like they’re concentrating really hard; it’s the face a pole-vaulter makes just before running down the track. Older fun cars had a more happy-go-lucky demeanor, like a puppy waiting for you to throw a tennis ball. I miss that.

ADVERTISEMENT

Today’s cars are both in the happy-puppy camp, but both of them could use rescuing from the homes they’re in. Neither one has been treated particularly carefully, from the sounds of it. They’ll both need a little work before they can be their normal fun selves again. Let’s take a look.

1988 Mazda 323 GTX – $4,800

452383113 10162267158264897 4512136010544906122 N

Engine/drivetrain: Turbocharged 1.6-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, AWD

Location: Vancouver, WA

Odometer reading: 200,000 miles

ADVERTISEMENT

Operational status: Runs and drives, but leaks oil

You know what’s a cool word? “Homologation.” All right, in most contexts it’s a boring concept; all it really means is getting something certified to say that it meets the rules. But in the context of motorsports, a homologation special is a street-legal car built in sufficient numbers to allow a company to race it in a “production” based racing class. In order to homologate its turbocharged, all-wheel-drive 323 hatchback for the FIA World Rally Championship, Mazda had to build 5,000 street-legal versions first. About 1,200 of them were sold here in the US. This is one of them.

452519904 10162267142304897 244981750620816995 N

The GTX may look like Grandma’s 323 hatchback, but under the hood is a turbocharged 1.6 liter twin-cam four, which drives all four wheels through a five-speed manual – and that’s the only choice. Automatic drivers need not apply. I have read that these gearboxes have a reputation for being fragile; just be nice to it and it should survive. This one had its engine rebuilt, and it runs and drives well, but it has a crack in the valve cover and leaks oil all over. A new cover is included; I don’t know why the seller hasn’t just installed it to fix the problem.

452585634 10162267142414897 889421729257990784 N

ADVERTISEMENT

Outside, it has a really strange custom paint job: it’s mostly red, with what looks like either a white or silver roof, but there’s a weird fade effect on the pillars. I can’t decide whether I like it or not; it reminds me of a tequila sunrise. Or the old Tide race car.

452325369 10162267142384897 578379751640790698 N

Overall, though, it doesn’t look too bad. You’re not likely to find a running 323 GTX for cheaper, at any rate. Fixing an oil leak and putting up with some weird paint may be worth it.

1986 Toyota MR2 – $4,000

00101 B42aa6xd0bq 0t20ci 1200x900

Engine/drivetrain: 1.6-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, RWD

ADVERTISEMENT

Location: San Jose, CA

Odometer reading: 120,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives, but hit a curb and now the brakes vibrate

It’s a genius idea, really: Take the transverse engine and drivetrain from a front-wheel-drive economy car, and move it to the back of a small two-seat wedge. Fiat created the X1/9 this way, from the 128, and later Pontiac did the same thing with an X-body to create the Fiero. Toyota joined in the fun with this car, the MR2, using the engine and transmission from the FWD Corolla.

01111 9ir1qyw3ibd 0t20ci 1200x900

ADVERTISEMENT

The MR2 uses the same 4A-GE four-cylinder engine as that Corolla FX16 we looked at on Monday. This one has the correct gearbox, however. The seller says it sat for two years, on non-op registration, before being reawakened recently. It fired right up and ran great, and they couldn’t resist taking it for a little spin. And then this happened:

00a0a Dlv89de7wdu 0t20ci 1200x900

That’s damage from hitting a curb, and anyone who has ever pushed a mid- or rear-engine car hard knows exactly how it happened. Go into a turn too fast, and the car understeers, pushing straight ahead instead of turning. Panic and lift off the gas suddenly, or worse, hit the brakes, and the weight shifts from the rear tires to the front. The front tires gain traction, the rear tires lose it, and the car spins out. This is called “snap oversteer,” and it has humbled many drivers and ruined many sports cars. The damage looks mostly superficial, and the seller claims it still tracks straight, but the brakes vibrate now, meaning something is likely amiss in that left rear hub/brake area. And it also means they almost certainly bent one of those cool three-spoke wheels, which is a crying shame.

00q0q 4lxl7lcxclg 0t20ci 1200x900

Otherwise, it looks really good, and it only has 120,000 miles on it. Cars like this are having their moment right now, and values keep going up, so it’s likely worth fixing. But take it easy on the curves until you get the feel of it.

ADVERTISEMENT

The prices of these cars may look a little steep, especially considering their condition, but look at what a really clean example of either one goes for. These are, well, not bargains exactly, but decent deals. You just have to be willing to do a little work. Which one are you going to rescue?

(Image credits: Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist sellers)

Share on facebook
Facebook
Share on whatsapp
WhatsApp
Share on twitter
Twitter
Share on linkedin
LinkedIn
Share on reddit
Reddit
Subscribe
Notify of
48 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
4 months ago

My vote goes to the MR2 and taking a chance that the frame/chassis isn’t bent. And if it is, well then it will be a great parts car.

Cyko9
Cyko9
4 months ago

I’d love an MR2, but I’ve heard they’re finicky and it’s a full-time job to take care of one. The Mazda sounds awesome, and an oil leak is a (possibly) straightforward fix. If it were a crunched door on the Toyota, I might be swayed, but I still think the 323 wins for uniqueness.

Art of the Bodge
Art of the Bodge
4 months ago
Reply to  Cyko9

It’s really not that bad. As long as you can keep them from dissolving the mechanical parts are dead simple and they are straightforward to work on.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
4 months ago

Had to vote 323 GTX.

The damage to the AW11 was just the dagger that ended it. As others have said, find another 323 GTX for sale, you won’t. The MR2 will take some time to find the right one, but if you are patient, a nicer example will come around.

GTX is a fun little rally misfit. GRANTED I’d just import an Nissan Pulsar GTiR if I really wanted to believe I was a good rally driver.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
4 months ago

Mechanical work over body work any day. Shame the MR2 got beat up like that, seems like it was a nice example. It helps that the 323 is it’s own sort of awesome though.

The Car Accumulator
The Car Accumulator
4 months ago

GTX. Find another one.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
4 months ago

The 323 is AWDsome, so I’ll take it. Plus I can take the whole family in it.

The damage to the Mr. Two takes it out of the running for me. Plus I won’t have to stare down the grim reaper on every rainy highway off ramp.

A. Barth
A. Barth
4 months ago

Mazda, please!

With the engine rebuilt, I’m a little less concerned about the 200k on the odo, and the transmission appears to have survived this long which is a good sign. The paint is a little odd but not negatively so, and it’s easy to change if it somehow began to be really bothersome. However, I would want to have some assurance that the oil is indeed coming from a cracked valve cover rather than from something potentially more serious. I would also feel a little odd driving something with GTX badging that doesn’t say Plymouth on it but would get over that.

I like the MR2 and was initially leaning that way, but the damage – known and unknown – is a little off-putting for someone with only mild interest. The curb is a harsh mistress.

OrigamiSensei
OrigamiSensei
4 months ago

I was planning to vote for the Mazda even before I saw the damage to the MR2. The 323 looks in very nice shape and is quite rare, and I bet it’s a hoot to drive. The mechanical fixes needed should be pretty straightforward.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
4 months ago

Does the MR2 come with the pack of smokes on the hood? Am I the only one who feels that would be more appropriate if it were a Camaro?

FloridaNative
FloridaNative
4 months ago

I love them both, but the rarity of the GTX and the fact I am way more comfortable with mechanical repairs than bodywork win out today.

JerryLH3
JerryLH3
4 months ago

MR2s are plentiful enough I could find one in better condition. Mazda 323 GTXs are not as plentiful and I would much rather jump at that one.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
4 months ago

I’d rather fix the oil leak than body damage. Also the pack of cigs on the hood of the MR2 is concerning.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
4 months ago

This is a tough one. The MR2 will certainly be easier to find parts and support for, but the 323 is more unique. I’m going with the Mazda. I doubt I’d fit ina MisterTwo anyways.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
4 months ago

$4,000 for an MR2 that probably needs $4,000 in repairs from that crash. Are the cigarettes sitting on its hood laced with crack? The 323 wins based on that alone. It helps that it is also a super cool little car with a weird but period appropriate paint job.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago

When I had my ’89 Tracer, I often thought how cool it would be to get a driveline from the GTX and put it under my car…
…so the GTX for sure.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
4 months ago

323 GTX. The regular 323 of this generation was highly honorable, as evidenced by the shenanigans some friends and I got up to back in the 90s with a friends 323. I’ve never been in a GTX, but I can only imagine how much more fun it would be.

I have been in a nearly-identical MR2, only supercharged, and it was fun, but the damage in the one above is a deal killer compared to the 323 GTX.

Outofstep
Outofstep
4 months ago

323 for me. I was all set to go with the MR2 but the damage and the fact that the 323 has that paint job sold it for me. It’s a homologation special, a hatchback and it has a sweet paint job. Sign me up

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
4 months ago
Reply to  Outofstep

Yep, today’s SBSD is a perfect example of why you should read before voting.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago

The body damage kills the MR2, otherwise it would run away with the win.

Bomber
Bomber
4 months ago

Where’s the both button!?!?!?

I went with the 323 GTX if only because of it’s rarity. Though, I absolutely love the MR2 and the swap potentials are limitless.

Parsko
Parsko
4 months ago

MR2 cause I always wanted one. Anyone can put a turbo in a hatchback.

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
4 months ago

I wanted to vote the MR2 because wedge life but once I saw the body damage yeah no thanks. I had to get body damage fixed on my fiances Buick and the cost to get it done well cost so damn much so no thanks.

Datanerd
Datanerd
4 months ago

Mazda, because it’s weird. Also, is that a pack of smokes on the hood of the MR2? I’m old enough to be tired of having to purify smoked-in cars.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

Assuming that replacing the leaking valve cover solves the oil problem, the Mazda appears the lesser risk. It’s rarer, too, and exclusivity is nice, for a price. Poor Mister 2 could have all kinds of undiagnosed issues from its curb slam and regardless will undoubtedly cost more than the difference between these two cars to repair the known damage. It’s also not my favorite generation of MR2. So, easy choice today, the 323 with the fade.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
4 months ago

323 for me. On the Mister 2, maybe it’s just a new wheel and hub, maybe it’s something worse. A LOT worse.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago

The Mazda is in better condition and I’ll cross my fingers that it’s not rust underneath from being on the west coast

48
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x