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General Motors Tried To Invent The Train Of The Future And Ended Up With A Gorgeous, Spectacular Failure

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Americans in the 1950s got to enjoy an era with unparalleled advancements in technology. They could take to the skies in safer airliners, glide down an expansive highway network in a stylish car, or look cool on a capable motorcycle. This was bad news for the old-school way of getting around, the train. General Motors, a dominator in both locomotives and buses, proposed a solution. The GM Aerotrain was supposed to make trains sexy and more attractive than driving or flying but ended up being so bad at its job that not even GM wants you to know about it today.

Seeing a General Motors Aerotrain today is a special delight. Just two full trainsets were ever built and when they were finally retired they didn’t end up in the hands of General Motors, but two different train museums here in the Midwest. The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, Missouri has an unpowered locomotive and two passenger cars while the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin has the other locomotive and two more cars.

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I recently made the pilgrimage to the National Railroad Museum, where the worn Aerotrain stands tall as an example of GM’s inventive engineering gone wrong. But why did this streamlined train of the future fail? A lot of it comes down to the fact that this train was really just an over-complicated bus affixed to rails.

Setting The Stage

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The GM Aerotrain wasn’t just any passenger train, but one that was supposed to save an industry.

As the National Railroad Museum explains in its exhibits, rail travel experienced a spike during World War II. There had been a decline in rail transportation since the Great Depression, but the outbreak of the war brought both goods and people back to the rails. This revival would be short-lived as rail traffic began plummeting after the war.

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Unfortunately, trains were becoming old news. Americans wanting the freedom to travel how they wanted just hopped in their cars and drove down America’s rapidly expanding highway network. Those who needed to get to a destination quickly booked flights aboard ever more advanced aircraft. Buses were also a popular solution for intercity travel. Even worse for trains was the fact that the Jet Age was right around the corner.

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The American public began to see passenger train travel as slow and decidedly un-sexy.

This spelled bad news for the railroads, which reached out to General Motors for help. By the 1950s, the General had grown to become a dominator in locomotives. Its innovations in diesel-electric technology produced the iconic E- and F- units that thundered their way across America. The National Park Service summarizes how General Motors changed railroad history:

In 1930, General Motors Corporation, principally an automobile manufacturer, acquired the Electro Motive Corporation and the Winton Engine Company, the latter an established producer of diesel engines, and from this merger came a much smaller, much lighter diesel engine capable of producing many horsepower. This advanced diesel engine powered the Chevrolet exhibit at the Chicago World’s Fair in 1933. Ralph Budd of the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad saw it there and decided to use this type of engine for his railroad’s Pioneer Zephyr, a prototype of lightweight, stainless steel, streamlined fast passenger trains.

On May 26, 1934, the sleek, silver Pioneer Zephyr set off on the return from a trip to Denver to run 1,015.4 miles to Chicago in 13 hours, 4 minutes and 58 seconds, an average speed of 76.61 miles per hour, though in fact the three-car articulated train exceeded 100 miles per hour during the trip. About the same time, the Union Pacific fielded the similar but bright yellow City of Salina, while in 1935 the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe purchased from Electro-Motive Corporation a pair of diesels to power the Super Chief between Chicago and Los Angeles. Thus the 1930s ushered in not only the era of the streamlined “lightweight” passenger train, but the era of diesel- electric motive power for passenger trains as well.

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In March 1935, General Motors Corporation began construction of a huge plant for erection of diesel electric locomotives at La Grange, Illinois, where the company would have the capability of building the locomotive carbody on a cast underframe. The locomotives would employ General Electric motors. The first La Grange product proved to be a 600-horsepower diesel-electric switcher with a cab at one end and exposed running boards on each side. It would more or less serve as a model for the most popular switch-engines for more than a decade. In 1937, an enlarged La Grange plant turned out the first E-Units, streamlined passenger locomotives with built-in cab and running boards along each side of the engines concealed in the carbody, a design that came to be called the “covered wagon” type, because cab and engine were totally enclosed. In 1939, Electro-Motive built the first similarly streamlined Model FT freight locomotive, consisting of an “A” unit with cab, and a “B” unit without, coupled together. Two such pair could be operated together as an “A-B-B-A” combination of four locomotives, all relying on a single crew in a single control cab.

General Motors was so good at this locomotive thing that in the 1950s it practically controlled locomotive production. In 1953, the General Motors Electro-Motive Division held an incredible 73 percent of America’s locomotive market. In second place, and it is a distant second place, was the American Locomotive Company and its tiny 15 percent of the market.

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Railroads attempted to stop the bleeding by making their trains more attractive. But this didn’t work. As Popular Mechanics wrote in 1955, the railroads were losing about $700 million a year in passenger rail, which was very nearly what they made back in freight. The railroads wanted something revolutionary, a train that was cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, more comfortable to ride, faster, and got people to take the train again.

If anyone was going to make a train like this, the railroads thought it was going to be the king.

The Aerotrain

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General Motors wasn’t about to pass up an opportunity like this and got to work to make a train that would lure Americans from cars and planes and back into trains.

Reportedly, the idea to produce a streamliner came in 1954 from General Motors Vice President of Styling Harley Earl. However, the Aerotrain would be designed by the GM Styling Section under the leadership of Charles M. Jordan, Chief Designer for GM’s special projects. Jordan wasn’t a locomotive designer, but one with automotive talents. His design for the Aerotrain incorporated automotive elements to create a sleek and striking profile.

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Sketches from the design team eventually resulted in a one-eighth-scale model, which the National Railroad Museum has on display.

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When you look at the model you can clearly see the car design influences of the day. The locomotive sported headlights and a “grille” like a car as well as a very carlike wraparound windshield and cab. For a fun fact about this model, it’s made out of steel, aluminum, leather, and plaster. The full model featured all 10 cars and it was designed to look exactly like the real deal.

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The car design influences continued elsewhere from the use of contrasting colors to the tailfins observed on the trailing observation car. The Aerotrain looked like the day’s cars blended together with a rocket.

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In 1955, General Motors began teasing its new train in magazines. Readers of publications like Look were told that this new shiny train could exceed speeds of 100 mph and connect New York City to Chicago in just 10.5 hours. Train Y, as GM called it in the magazine, was advertised to be able to storm down the Northeast Corridor traveling between Boston and New York City in just 2.5 hours.

The Electro-Motive Division was set on providing the train the railroads wanted, but parent General Motors imposed one more requirement. The train had to do everything the railroads wanted while using as many existing parts as possible. The idea here was that General Motors would build a train so cheap and so capable that the railroads would feel obligated to buy hundreds of examples.

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According to Popular Mechanics, General Motors seriously believed it could get train fares as low on a per-seat basis as a bus fare or driving a car. In hindsight, beating buses was probably a strange goal considering GM dominated the bus market at the time.

How would GM do this? While the Aerotrain looked fresh and new, the bones came from existing products. GM Coordinator of New Products W. H. Harvey said: “Maybe we need to simplify our thinking. What we want, basically, is a new concept of a bus on rails. That’s been tried before, I know, and without much success. But no one has ever tried a train of buses on rails. Why don’t we try mounting bus bodies on rail trucks, and pull the whole thing with a lightweight locomotive designed specifically for this train?”

Basically Just A Rail Bus

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This question quickly became a reality. General Motors was already building lightweight aluminum bus bodies for its GMC Truck And Coach Division. The General sent inspectors over to the bus division and concluded that they could take bus bodies, put them on the rails, and make something innovative without spending a ton of money.

The Aerotrain sports bus bodies, but they aren’t exactly just buses with their engines and driver compartments removed. General Motors took its basic bus body design, widened it by 18 inches, and mounted the aluminum structure to a generic undercarriage. The spaces where the engine and the driver compartment would be were removed and lavatories were fastened in their place.

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Otherwise, the ten coaches per train were very much just bus bodies sitting on rail trucks. The bus design is obvious from the fact that GM retained its signature bus windows to the baggage compartment. Oh yeah, General Motors loved using rubber hinges for bus baggage doors back then and since these were literally modified bus bodies, the Aerotrain has bus baggage compartments with the same frustrating rubber hinges that my own RTS-06 bus has.

Using bus bodies for the cars did come with some benefits. Their floors sat just 43 to 45 inches off of the ground, offering a far lower center of gravity than the 55 inch floors of a standard coach car.

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The all-aluminum, 40-foot bus bodies were also 50 percent lighter than the standard coach car. General Motors also employed its bus air suspension technology in hopes of providing a smooth ride.

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Inside, the bus bodies were filled with 20 double seats with a recline function. While General Motors was focused on cutting the costs of buying and operating a passenger train, the idea was also to get people out of buses and planes, so the interior was made to be luxurious for its day.

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How obsessed was GM in creating a train out of existing parts? The company pinched its Frigidaire division to build the train’s air-conditioners and other appliances. GM’s aggressive cost-cutting was evident in the acquisition costs. GM quoted the typical streamliner train as costing about $2,200 per seat. The bus-on-rails Aerotrain? It would cost just $1,000 per seat, almost on par with a bus.

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General Motors was so confident in the design of the bus cars that it said it even revolutionized the train car overhaul process. Typically, passenger cars go into shops, where they’re torn apart bolt by bolt and seat by seat and refreshed for several more years of service. GM said this process typically cost $35,000 to $50,000 per coach in 1955 dollars. But the Aerotrain coaches were so cheap that GM said the railroad wouldn’t need to refurbish them. Instead, GM said the railroad would just scrap the whole body and lower a new body onto the undercarriage, no refurbishment needed.

The Locomotive

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Pulling these bus train cars was another parts-bin special. The locomotive on the front did have a novel steel body and cab, but what was underneath was nothing special. The locomotives on the front of the two Aerotrain consists were the EMD LWT12. The prime mover under the metal is an EMD 567C, a 111.6-liter V12 roots-blown diesel engine good for 1,200 HP.

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GM’s logic here was that this locomotive was pulling half of the weight of the typical passenger train, so it just needed to be about half of the typical locomotive. A typical diesel-electric locomotive in 1955 weighed 320,000 pounds. The EMD LWT12 weighed just 175,000 pounds. The typical passenger train was also pulled by bigger locomotives that made around 2,400 HP. But again, GM felt that the Aerotrain could achieve better performance with half of the power.

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To put this into perspective, GM essentially powered the Aerotrain by a modified EMD SW1200 switcher locomotive, something you’d see moving cars around a yard, not blasting down the rails at 100 mph.

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According to Popular Mechanics, General Motors spent a million dollars per consist to build the two trains. However, GM expected to get the per unit price down to $400,000 to $500,000 by the time production started. Two of the EMD LWT12 locomotives were built for the prototype Aerotrains while a third was built for the Rock Island Jet Rocket train between Chicago and Peoria.

Terrible In Practice

The Aerotrain was a solid idea on paper, but things began falling apart as soon as they were put into service in 1956.

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One unit went to the New York Central Railroad, where it operated on a route between Cleveland and Chicago. The second unit went to the Pennsylvania Railroad, where it stormed down the rails between Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and New York City. That year, the two demonstrator trains performed runs for Chicago & North Western, Great Northern, Illinois Central, Santa Fe, Southern Pacific, and Union Pacific to see how the railroads and the public would like them. Both units were returned to General Motors that year, then they were sent out west to run on the Union Pacific Railway and the Santa Fe.

Unfortunately, problems started cropping up almost immediately. Let’s start with that locomotive. While the base EMD SW1200 switcher it was based on was capable of hitting 100 mph, the Aerotrain struggled to get near its advertised top speed. General Motors also promised that the locomotive would be easy and cheap to repair, but the sleek body actually made repairs harder than a typical locomotive.

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Then there was the power, or the lack of it, anyway. In the Midwest and East, the train had trouble hitting its top speed, but still reliably completed routes much faster than other diesel-electric trains of the day. For example, an Aerotrain raced from Chicago to Detroit 40 minutes faster than a regular train could do the same job.

However, power became a big issue out west where they faced real hills. The Aerotrain didn’t have enough power to pull itself up grades, so Sante Fe and Union Pacific had to lash the Aerotrain up to standard locomotives to get them through ranges. This problem alone erased any advantage the Aerotrain could have brought to the West.

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Union Pacific’s use of the Aerotrain would be extreme. Its Aerotrain was named the City of Las Vegas and it ran the Crap-Shooters’ Special, a train that departed Los Angeles at 9 am and arrived in Las Vegas at 4 pm. The train had to go fast to meet that schedule.

Unfortunately, this isn’t where the train’s problems ended. Railroads and passengers alike discovered that the bus-based air suspension system wasn’t up to the task of rail duty. As the National Railroad Museum says, the air suspension bellows often failed above 60 mph, leading to passengers receiving a violently harsh ride, if not minor injuries. General Motors didn’t have a fix aside from just replacing the blown bellows just so they could blow later.

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All of these downsides piled up and the demonstrator railroads quickly issued their votes of no. The Aerotrain was supposed to save passenger rail, but railroads didn’t want them and passengers didn’t want to ride in them.

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The Aerotrains were returned to General Motors once again, where they found an unlikely savior of the Rock Island. As luck would have it, Rock Island never went faster than 60 mph anyway, so the horrible suspension problems weren’t a huge deal. Rock Island nabbed the two demonstrator Aerotrains and started operating them around Chicagoland. However, by 1966 even the Rock Island had enough of the Aerotrain.

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The trains were retired and instead of ending up in GM’s heritage fleet somewhere, what’s left of them are instead preserved by two museums.

There were people who doubted the Aerotrain from the start. Remember that General Motors was experienced in building locomotives, not entire train operations. Those who actually ran trains cautioned that the Aerotrain might not solve any problem at all. Planes were still faster, cars still offered more freedom, and buses were still cheaper. So, the only people still taking the train were going to be rich people who didn’t want to drive or get somewhere as fast as possible.

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Sadly, those people would end up being correct. The Aerotrain failed to revolutionize passenger train travel. Americans continued to drive their cars and fly in planes. It’s a shame because General Motors had a good concept. However, General Motors had to do what it was known best for and cut costs until the resulting product couldn’t even perform.

If you want to see the Aerotrains, pay a visit to either the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, Missouri, or the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin. No matter which one you visit, you’re going to love taking a look at these pieces of history.

(Images: Author, unless otherwise noted.)

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PlatinumZJ
PlatinumZJ
1 month ago

I love articles like this! (According to a paper by G.M. Chief Engineer E.W. Kettering, the Winton Model 8-201 engines sent to the ’33 Chicago Worlds Fair had barely been tested when they were selected; after installation, crews had to work on them each night to make sure they would run the next day.)

Ixcaneco
Ixcaneco
1 month ago

Nice article. Thank you!

Scott Wangler
Scott Wangler
1 month ago

Having a train that cab go 100 mph is much easier than providing a rail where a train can safely go 100 mph. I doubt at grade road crossings would be considered safe where the passing train was going 100.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott Wangler

Very much this. Fast trains (as cool as they are) require a big infrastructure effort in this country.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

We don’t have the population density to support them. Look at a global map of population density.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

This is also true.

Lew Schiller
Lew Schiller
1 month ago

Fascinating piece. Thanks Mercedes!

The Mark
The Mark
1 month ago
Reply to  Lew Schiller

I agree – very nicely researched and interesting

Carlos Ferreira
Carlos Ferreira
1 month ago

It seems that the GM tradition of royally fumbling a great idea goes back many decades.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
1 month ago

OMG converted bus bodies make for flawed and uncomfortable railcars? Nobody told British Rail!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Exeter_St_Davids_-_FGW_142064_and_143611.jpg

Phuzz
Phuzz
1 month ago

The Pacer attempted to marry the reliability and style of a British Leyland bus, to a train chassis, but without bothering with those expensive and troublesome boogies, just slap two solid axles underneath!
Intended as a short term fix, they ended up in use for almost 40 years.

Look, just because Britain invented trains, it doesn’t mean we’re very good at them.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago

Yeah the Pacer immediately came to mind as a good bus turned into a mediocre train https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacer_%28British_Rail%29?wprov=sfla1

Janeane Garafolo
Janeane Garafolo
1 month ago

Mercedes, great read! Have you ever looked into the work GM did overseas did with their trains, like in South Africa?

Billywa
Billywa
1 month ago

Seems there are more park train versions of the Aerotrain than there were in 1:1 scale. There’s another one at the Ellis Railroad Museum in Ellis, KS (just off I-70). And iirc, they also have blueprint of the real thing on their wall…

M. Park Hunter
M. Park Hunter
1 month ago

Hey, next time you’re in Green Bay, look me up for a ride in my Crosley Speedster!

MST3Karr
MST3Karr
1 month ago

So, then, it’s the Fiero of trains? Really, though, this project had to be sabotaged at some level. Too much conflict of interest.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago

This is my favorite looking train ever, regardless of it’s flaws. It just looks so fantastic. Sucks the ride was terrible, it was so full of innovation. That’s GM though, innovate and be ahead of everyone else, then not try to fix anything through a 2nd gen, and instead just cancel it all together. See EV1.

Dinklesmith
Dinklesmith
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

In GM’s defense, the Volt is basically a second Gen EV1. A shocking amount of tech under the skin came from it

Arewethereyet
Arewethereyet
1 month ago

The Oregon Zoo has a running 5/8 scale replica. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Park_and_Zoo_Railway

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

I’m so glad you included the GM train with the World’s Fair pavilion in the background. It’s so apt (apt I tell you!). The finest in set design practices; cardboard covered in something vaguely like stucco. Pretty much set the stage for GM interiors for years to come. As your article so well describes, also for the Aerotrain. Basically a parade vehicle. I’m actually starting to admire how powerful accountants and marketing people are. Kill me, please…

Super Bonk 3000
Super Bonk 3000
1 month ago

The Green Bay museum is bonkers. I spent much of a cold weekend day there (the Aerotrain is outside with some other iron, so brrr) while stuck in town on a work trip.

Way more interesting than Lambeau Field.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago

Train of the future, Pfftt, ain’t no genuine, bona fide, electrified, six car MONORAIL!

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

Future! Future! Children! Children!

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

“Mono means one, and rail means rail!” Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
1 month ago

It certainly does look like a car. The first thing I thought of was the 1950 GM Le Sabre concept car.

Steve Schriefer
Steve Schriefer
1 month ago

Mercedes, have you ever watched The Tim Traveller on YouTube? He is right up you alley if you have not.

RataTejas
RataTejas
1 month ago

My hovercraft is full of eels.

MAX FRESH OFF
MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago

The Crap-Shooters’ Special had a free buffet!
I would love to take the train from LA to Vegas, the Brightline can’t open soon enough.
https://www.cruiselinehistory.com/retro-city-of-las-vegas-streamliner-connected-los-angeles-and-las-vegas/

Amschroeder5
Amschroeder5
1 month ago

So basically no inherent fault of trains just a shockingly lazy design that was doomed from the start by the parts bin. Nice.

Marathag
Marathag
1 month ago
Reply to  Amschroeder5

As GM would do for decades to follow

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  Marathag

I swear I just saw some of the same switchgear in an Escalade recently. Probably same drive train too!

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 month ago

Bravo for the wildest episode yet of “GM Hit Or Miss.”

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Aerotrain? More like Errortrain. Fascinating read just the same. Always loved trains, even as a flyer. The years I spent in Europe were punctuated by frequent rail travel. For transcontinental and oceanic trips it’s hard to beat a plane, but I’ve always felt that we lost out on trans city routes, especially in heavily developed corridors by subsidizing massive inter urban highways and airports to the detriment of passenger rail. The shortsightedness of those decisions is fully felt today in these corridors where roads are clogged and decaying and short haul airlines require ever costlier hubs to meet demand. Ah well, not to be. I wonder if some form of train will emerge again as a popular travel option once engineers and city planners realize they can never solve gridlock with road vehicles alone, even with hyper efficient, fully automated and integrated highway systems and vehicles. Maybe we’ll figure it all out by the time we get Mars terraformed.

Tbird
Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Amtrak schedules can be the frustrating thing as well. It appears there is now ONE train a day running Pittsburgh to Chicago and back. I would love to ride the rails rather than drive or fly for some trips if I had options.

ClutchAbuse
ClutchAbuse
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I take a train from the CA central Valley into the SF Bay Area on my office days. When it’s on time and there are no issues, it’s wonderful.

Sadly it uses the same rails that the freight trains do. The freight always has priority, resulting in delays and sometimes outright cancelations due to the larger trains having issues and blocking the way. I’ve learned to never purchase my ticket until the train is 10 minutes away from the station.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  ClutchAbuse

It’s sad just how bad our passenger rail options have become. As an adolescent and teen, I lived in a couple of outer suburbs of Boston and we had a great inter urban train system running Budd RDCs. The trains were very reliable, schedule-wise and cheap. During off-peak hours a consist might have only one or two RDCs, but during rush hours and other heavy travel periods, as many as six were used. Always had enough seats. sometimes we’d just ride to Boston and jump on another line to see what it was like other places. I have no idea what’s left of that system, if anything.

Will Leavitt
Will Leavitt
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

The Bedford-Lexington-Arlington-Boston line used RDCs up until the Blizzard of ’78, when the line was so damaged by the storm it never reopened. It’s now the Minuteman Bikeway railtrail. There is a restored RDC and little museum in Bedford, and you can go inside the RDC. There are 4 scrapped RDCs in Lincoln, NH, that the MBTA used for parts. The rest of the MBTA lines are very much in use, with new stations and lines being added.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Will Leavitt

Thank you. Good to know. After reading your comment, I looked up MBTA Commuter Rail and note that the Haverhill and Fitchburg lines serve my old towns and are still in service, but with way more stations than in my day. Also, I think the Fitchburg line used to extend to Athol as its endpoint, but I could be wrong on that point. And the old RDCs are long gone. I used to love watching them roll through the countryside especially during winter snows when they passed like silver ghosts. Despite being diesel powered, they were nearly silent once under way, save for the clicking on the rails. I’m almost a silver ghost myself these days, but hope to get up that way again and maybe check out the museum you mentioned. Thanks again.

Kaiserserserser
Kaiserserserser
1 month ago

I’m surprised the suspension was such an issue. I am not a train guy buy would have assumed running over nice flat rails, pretty minimal suspension would be necessary? Like maybe some light bumps at the joints between rails but I never imagined trains could have a ride so bumpy as to potentially inflict minor injuries even with zero suspension.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago

“nice flat rails” Well sure, thats the general idea.

“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.”
Attributed variously to Albert Einstein and Yogi Berra.

Maybe in a controlled environment with a constant temperature and a dry unyielding surface uopon which to attach the rails only in a straight line, sure. Unfortunately, many in fact, the vast majority of railroads are constructed out of doors, where the ground can freeze and thaw, the temperatures can expand the steel faster than the ground, which may settle on account of groundwater, seismic activity, pulling really heavy trains across it, and probably just because rails just want to do what rails want to do and they feel like moving around. And if you’ve ever been on a subway, you may notice that even building the railroad indoors doesn’t solve the problems of occasionally really bumpy track.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Great explanation, but now you are making me lean back into flying. Air suspension all the way baby!

I’m just amazed they can manage the track width with all that squirm. Trains have a lot of trucks, all trying to do their own thing.

Janeane Garafolo
Janeane Garafolo
1 month ago

If you really wanna have your mind amazed, understand that the contact patch of wheel to rail is only about the width of a nickel. As in a $0.05 coin.

Also, this is about as basic of an explainer as it gets…

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/train-wheel-science/

Kaiserserserser
Kaiserserserser
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Very interesting and helpful thanks! I don’t think I’ve ever really looked at a rail closer than peaking out my car window at a crossing, but had always (mistakenly) kind of figured “Well it’s a bunch of (relatively) flat steel beams with (relatively) flat metal wheels, seems like it should be at least as smooth as car wheels on seemingly much less uniform road surfaces”

Tbird
Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Most rail in the US geared to and shared with lower speed/higher load freight rail. Dedicated high speed passenger line has different construction methods and materials.

Olaf Hart
Olaf Hart
1 month ago

It could have been that trains don’t have tyres that are the first bit of suspension in a road vehicle. On a train there is probably more of a high frequency shock that hits the springs. Before continuously welded rails were common there were a lot of joints, each with its own bump.

Janeane Garafolo
Janeane Garafolo
1 month ago
Reply to  Olaf Hart

See my other response just above (or below, lol)

Tbird
Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Olaf Hart

Rail joints are an issue – they are typically welded, not bolted on high speed track. High speed also generally uses concrete or composite sleepers (ties), not wood for better dimensional characteristics at the expense of impact absorption.

Janeane Garafolo
Janeane Garafolo
1 month ago

You have to take into account flat spots on the wheels, running through interlocking, performing a crossover etc. There are very, very few sections of track in real world territory that could be, at any given time, “nice”.

Steve P
Steve P
1 month ago

You can still experience the Aerotrain (sort of) at the Portland Zoo!

Derek van Veen
Derek van Veen
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve P

I came here to say the same thing. The Zooliner No. 2 train at the Zoo is a 5/8 scale Aerotrain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Park_and_Zoo_Railway#/media/File:Zooliner_train_-_Washington_Park_&_Zoo_Railway,_cropped.jpg

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve P

Yes, I’ve actually ridden it, and froze my butt because it was a Christmas light special

DONALD FOLEY
DONALD FOLEY
1 month ago

Rubber hinge GM part number 2467448.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  DONALD FOLEY

Thanks. This is the advice I come here for. Been trying to fix up a used Volt and Pep Boys couldn’t find the SKU. Apparently the original supplier is now owned by Boeng.

Boulevard_Yachtsman
Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 month ago

Cool write-up! I remember seeing pictures of these things in books and being absolutely mesmerized. I also wondered what happened – how could something that looks that good not have more examples out there somewhere? Then I finally got to see one at the St. Louis Museum of Transportation.

Up close? Yeah, just extremely cheap feeling, especially those two-axle carriages. Being a GM fan, I’ve experienced a cheap, parts-bin feel in more than a few of their cars, but this was the first time I experienced that standing next to a train. It’s too bad – I would have loved that late-50’s automotive-greenhouse atop a Jetsonesque locomotive aesthetic to continue on for a while.

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