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Gone, And Sorely Missed: 1988 Oldsmobile Toronado vs 2001 Saturn SW2

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Good morning! Today we’re looking at cars from two dead GM brands that will have you asking, “Why couldn’t they have killed off Buick instead?” They’re not very similar cars, but they both represent what each of their brands did best.

Yesterday, we looked at a couple of little stickshift stuff-haulers, one that’s a secret Toyota and one that’s a secret Mitsubishi. It’s hard to beat something with as much Corolla DNA in it as that Geo has, and I figured it would take the win. Early-mid 1990s Corollas and Prizms might just be the best cheap beaters out there, as long as you can avoid rust.

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But I’ve already had that Prizm’s predecessor (a 1987 Nova hatch) and successor (a 1995 Corolla), so I would choose the Eagle Summit, just for a different experience. Besides, it’s purple, one of the few car colors I’ve never owned.

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The full list of General Motors brand names is an eye-opener, even if you think you know them all. Some are barely remembered at all, while others are still mourned by fans to this day. Oldsmobile’s demise in 2004 was an especially hard pill to swallow, considering it began in 1897, and made a name for itself in performance car circles several times. And poor Saturn, begun as a completely independent arm of GM to build “A Different Kind Of Car,” eventually ended up as another exercise in badge-engineering before falling victim to the post-bankruptcy reorganization. Today, we’re going to look at one of each division’s greatest hits. Here they are.

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1988 Oldsmobile Toronado – $3,650

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Engine/drivetrain: 3.8-liter overhead valve V6, four-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Pahrump, NV

Odometer reading: 113,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

The Oldsmobile Toronado lasted twenty-six years, and never varied from its mission as a cool, stylish front-wheel-drive personal luxury coupe. It gave the middle finger to the malaise era, weathered the Brougham years with more dignity than a lot of other cars, and bowed out before Oldsmobile had a chance to ruin the formula. This final-generation Toronado is a sleek, trim, and highly underrated car.

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The original Toronado broke the mold with its front-wheel-drive design, but by the time this one was built, most cars were FWD. It shares its platform with the full-size H-body sedans, including its Buick 3800 V6 and 4T60 automatic transmission. It’s a proven drivetrain with a reputation for durability and reliability. This one has had only one owner, who kept it in excellent condition until they passed away recently. It has only 113,000 miles on it, and it runs and drives great.

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It looks practically new inside; someone really did take care of this car. 1988 was right in the middle of GM’s “Button Era” of interior design. Look at all those tiny square buttons on the stereo and HVAC system. The fancier Trofeo model of the Toronado used a CRT touchscreen like its Buick Riviera cousin, but personally I’d rather have the buttons. I also love that basket-handle shifter. If you must have an automatic, you should at least have a cool way to put it in gear.

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I’ve always liked the style of this era Toronado; it’s well-proportioned and a good size. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen one with a landau top, like so many Rivieras and Cadillac Eldorados of this era had. The hidden headlights are also a nice touch. This one is as clean and shiny as you could hope for, but the aftermarket wire wheels don’t do it any favors, in my view. Your mileage may vary, of course.

2001 Saturn SW2 – $2,200

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 1.9-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Riverside, CA

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Odometer reading: 171,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Fun fact: Saturn was founded on the day I turned twelve, January 7, 1985. It was created as a completely separate company from General Motors, with its own car designs, its own factory, its own dealers – everything. This bold idea built up a lot of expectations for the cars, which finally arrived for the 1991 model year, and as it turns out, they were pretty good. The basic design was refined over two generations and eleven years before being replaced with the Ion, which marked the end of Saturn’s independence from the GM mothership.

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The second-generation S series came in three body styles and two trim levels. This is an SW2, meaning S series, Wagon, level 2. It has Saturn’s 1.9 liter twin-cam “Power Module” (why they couldn’t just call it an engine, I don’t know) and a four-speed automatic. Saturn engines and transmissions proved to be reliable, if a bit thrashy and prone to oil consumption. This one has 171,000 miles, and the seller says it’s a strong runner that just passed a smog test.

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Saturn interiors are, let’s say, uninspiring but functional. This one looks pretty good inside, and since it’s an SW2, it has all the power goodies that were available. The cloth seats are in good shape, and everything is nice and clean. Having owned a Saturn SC1 from this era, though, I can practically feel that cheap Fisher-Price grade plastic through this photo.

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The wagon is far and away the best of the three Saturn body styles. The coupe has terrible outward visibility, and the sedan is boring. The wagon looks a little funky, because it uses the same rear doors as the sedan, but it’s distinctive-looking, and practical. I find it amusing that the seller mentions that it has no dings or dents; of course it doesn’t. It’s a Saturn. All the vertical body surfaces are plastic, and bounce back if you hit them.

I suppose the behemoth that was General Motors in the mid 2000s was too big to sustain itself without shedding some brands, but Oldsmobile was always cooler than Buick, and Saturn was really on to something for a while. These were both good cars that deserved proper successors, but it wasn’t meant to be. But hey, we still have these two. So what do you think – personal luxury coupe, or efficient little wagon?

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Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
1 month ago

I’d pick the Saturn if it had a 5 speed. Always liked those wagons. But I’m digging the funkiness of the Toronado and always a fan of the 3.8L.

I’m noticing the power steering pump is much more accessible on that Series I than my Series II, where it’s buried under the alternator. Makes no sense at all to have to remove the coolant overflow tank just to check the fluid level on the power steering pump. And it’s a pain to fill too.

Bruno Ealo
Bruno Ealo
1 month ago

If you drove both back in the day it’s not even a close vote,Oldsmobile is the easy pick.

Captain Avatar
Captain Avatar
1 month ago

While this is a far cry from the BAMF 1st gen Toronado, and the Aurora that replaced it was a far leap forward, its still a well maintained desert dwelling vehicle with a Buick 3800. And hidden headlights This could be listed at $5k, and I’d still say yes.

The Saturn is fine, and the better value, and probably more functional as family car on a budget. But its the Toronado for me. The wire wheel covers can be replaced.

(If it was a Trofeo…..I think I’d actually call up the seller)

Last edited 1 month ago by Captain Avatar
OrigamiSensei
OrigamiSensei
1 month ago

I drove a Saturn SL2 for 16 years, and it’s a lot cheaper than the Olds. Also, I’d much rather have a Reatta from that era than a Toronado.

The article references Fisher-Price plastics, but I have to say the interiors on Saturns hold up really, really well. The only problem I ever had was the start of a sagging headliner, but that happens to a lot of cars. Mechanically, mine was solid and mainly I got rid of it due to some fender benders and frankly, boredom – but I gave it away to someone that needed basic transportation and it’s likely still going. The Saturns from that era were great cheap, if unexciting, basic transportation.

Gubbin
Gubbin
1 month ago

Wagon always wins it for me, and I have an irrational fondness for Saturns.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Both are fine choices. You could have reliable vehicles with a little maintenance. You could drive these until you throw them away.
Like get a year out of either one of them and you’re ahead of the game.

Myk El
Myk El
1 month ago

I need a long roof more. Nothing more complicated.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

For my purposes, I’d rather have the Saturn. Plus it’s cheaper so it gets my vote.

Mike B
Mike B
1 month ago

Wow, I actually like both of these. Both of these inspire some nostalgia. My mom and sister both had SL2’s, and plenty of family members had 80’s GM cars.

I think I’d take the Olds, I love that shifter, and you know those seats are comfy AF. Plus, 3.8.

ESO
ESO
1 month ago

God Mark, talk about sticking an earworm stuck in my head for today…

I can still hear the woman’s voice and showtune style of singing that Geo “Getting to know you” ad jingle. I also hear the Tracker’s Al Jarreau style jingle, as well as the hip hop styled Storm jingle. I remember the fucking lyrics to those jingles too, every single time Geo is brought up, to this very day.

So cheesy and lame at the time, but in retrospect a hell of an ad campaign to have stuck so well after what, 37 years or so?

Pleeeeese tell me I’m not the only one…

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  ESO

“Geeooooh, no matter what.” One of the many dumb jingles that run through my head. How about,

“The one to watch, the one to watch, the one to watch, the one: Renault.”

“Taurus, for us! Taurus! Have you driven a Forrrrrd, lately.”

“Those nuclear warheads are like teardrops to these monsters!” Wait, I think that’s Godzilla fights that giant lobster.

ESO
ESO
30 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

🙂

Joe L
Joe L
1 month ago

I’d be about that Toronado if it were the very last generation. I thought those were much better looking than this version.

G. K.
G. K.
1 month ago

I would absolutely rather have a Toronado (or its E-body Riviera sibling) than the Saturn. It gets my vote.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

You Saturn voters are crazy. Gimme the weird purple over weird purple Oldsmobile any day.

I'm an Evil Banana
I'm an Evil Banana
1 month ago

As much as i would love a practical little wagon, i have a soft spot for Toros, even the blobtastic shrunken-down ’80s version.

GizmonicLoadingBay
GizmonicLoadingBay
1 month ago

I had a 02 Saturn SL2 sedan and it was a fantastic car. I bought it in 2004 presumably off a 2 year lease. I really wanted a wagon to haul all my bike stuff but they were always at a rather high premium over the sedan. The SL2 was fairly smooth, had okay acceleration, and sipped fuel. However, it’s Achilles’s heel was oil consumption from their rather poor piston ring design. I had to stay on top of the oil like crazy. It would vary by temperature, brand, air quality, vibes, soundtrack. So long as I checked it and made sure it had oil, I never had other issues. I guess I had to go back to my 21 year old self and vote SW2.

Luxx
Luxx
1 month ago

Had a 2000 SW2. Completely biased. I’m buying my rolling piece of Tupperware and loving it.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
1 month ago

Oh, the Toro.

I miss Oldsmobile, even though they turned Saturn into Olds after they killed that brand.

The SL is a cockroach – those are good cars.

But the Toronado – I have carried the torch for that particular generation since I was in high school. The ’89s are really the ones I want, especially the Trofeo. This one has a stubby trunk that they fixed the next year.

G. K.
G. K.
1 month ago
Reply to  Dan Roth
Mike B
Mike B
1 month ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

There is a very nice Trofeo for sale near me and I’m so tempted. I do not need it, and it’s more than play money, but I hardly ever see them.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
1 month ago

Saturn for sure. More fun to drive, even with automatic. Put it in sport mode and the 2nd gear shift would chirp tires. Better gas milage and almost as comfortable than the tornado. And a wagon? Sign me up

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 month ago

This one is tough, but I went with the Toronado simply because it is one of the few 80s GM cars I like. I have wrenched plenty on a nearly identical SW2 with 300,000+ miles, and while the car impressed me, the reliable utility of it can’t overcome the quirky charm of the Toronado today.

Comme çi, come alt
Comme çi, come alt
1 month ago

At some point my dad augmented his company truck and my mom’s ’92 Town Car with a used first-FWD-generation Delta 88 in a similar color (but with a loose-cushion velour bench) that was solid and tight despite 150,000-ish miles and maybe 10 or so years. I borrowed it occasionally and was quite impressed – no sport at all but a cushy and apparently bulletproof ride. For that and in honor of my dad and the Oldsmobiles that were his choice for primary family cruiser for two decades, I’m going Toro.

Matt Gasper
Matt Gasper
1 month ago

The Toronado would be much cooler if it were a Trofeo, but it’s still pretty damn cool.

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
1 month ago

I’d go Toronado, give the interior a full tech refresh with modern electronics including a digitall dash from Haltech, maybe enven hack in a heads up display, backup camera, blind spot monitoring etc….. New speakers, head unit, wireless charging pad, and maybe some period correct alloys to replace the wires. I’ll add a couple hundred pounds of sound deadening to the thing, toss a decent but not too big subwoofer in the trunk, and have a quiet cushy road trip machine.

Chris Stevenson
Chris Stevenson
1 month ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

I like the way you think!

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 month ago

A ’92 SL1 was my second-ever new car. I really liked it and it was very reliable, but the rattle of metal hood against plastic front fender after four years of ownership made me crazy. We’ll say Toro!

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
1 month ago

The Toronado is tempting but I’m always gonna vote for a Saturn.

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
1 month ago

Saturns are perfectly cromulent vehicles. I’ve had two of them, purchased cheap. Not exciting or desirable at all, but decent.

This wagon would be a perfect winter-mobile here in the frozen north for the few months it has to cope with salt and slush. It’s cheap enough that I don’t care about what happens to it, reasonably reliable and resistant to rust (yay for plastic panels and galvanized body), and can fit bulky stuff in the back, like lumber.

Perhaps GM A-bodies of the 1980s have ruined me, but they seemed to turn to rust really quickly. The Olds isn’t an A-body I know, but that era of GM didn’t seem to really focus on rust-proofing. Which sort of defeats the point for a winter car. I don’t have ’80s nostalgia, so that Olds will just rot more quickly under my studious neglect. It’s a car for somebody else.

Then I can go buy something kind of desirable that I want to drive for the rest of the year.

I am jealous of those who are spoiled for choice of cheap rust-free vehicles that are a one-way airfare away.

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