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Guess Which CEO Thinks He Should Get 60% More Money After Selling Fewer Cars, Cutting Jobs, And Constantly Bickering With The Italian Government

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What is a company? Is it the value of everything it owns? Everything it knows? Everything it makes? If it’s a public company, the value is ultimately the share price, or at least that’s how you need to think of it if you’re a CEO. This line of thinking can get dangerous (see: Boeing), but it’s logical.

Carlos Tavares, CEO of Stellantis, is nothing if not logical and always seems to have an eye on the share price. The company is in the middle of a harsh transition that’s seen beloved products slowly fade away, once popular brands falter, and seemingly endless turmoil. At the same time, Stellantis has remained highly profitable. Is that enough to hand him a 60% pay increase? Some shareholder advisory firms are saying not so fast.

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Also encouraging a reevaluation is Chinese President Xi Jinping, who is hosting German Chancellor Olaf Scholtz and some car execs in the country.

Do you love the Rennaissance Center in Detroit? I do not love the Renaissance Center in Detroit. But I understand its importance, so I’ll be watching what happens to the building now that General Motors is leaving its long-serving HQ for a new development.

And, finally, Nissan is a little closer to solid-state batteries, which could be a big deal.

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Carlos Tavares Is Fun To Write About

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Screencap: SNL

Ford CEO Jim Farley is fun to hang out with because he’s a car nerd and generally pretty affable. He knows how to tell a story. He races cars. The counter-intuitive reality of journalism is that the more fun someone is the less fun they are to write about and, true to form, Farley isn’t a regular character in The Morning Dump.

You know who is a regular character? Carlos Tavares, pictured above with Tom Hanks.

Carlos Tavares is always getting into scrapes. As a CEO he clearly has an idea of what he wants his large, global automaker to be. Specifically, he’s trying to build an extremely efficient car company with a balanced portfolio of products built on a small number of shared platforms that utilize regionally popular brands for extra marketing push.

The problem is that the actual company he sits atop is a mix of three companies that do not have that history. Despite being based in The Netherlands for tax reasons, it’s best to think of Stellantis as the amalgam of three different groups of automakers:

  • Old Chrysler – Whatever is left over from Chrysler/FCA/Cerberus/AMC. While not explicitly state-supported, Chrysler has always vacillated between short runs of profitability and needing some kind of bailout. But Chrysler has Jeep and Ram, two valuable brands.
  • Fiat – Fiat is Italy’s national carmaker, even if it’s not explicitly owned by the Italian government. It also brings with it Alfa Romeo, Lancia, and Maserati, all historic brands whose place in the future is uncertain.
  • Peugeot-Citroën – This is the one automaker that is partially state-supported/owned, which means that Stellantis is somewhat more French than anything.

Making that transition into one company that somehow balances the political desires of those three countries (America, France, Italy) with the realities of global production, supply chains, marketing, et cetera is extremely tough.

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Just yesterday, we wrote about how Tavares was in an argument with suppliers over his cost-cutting and then, a few hours later, how his company was in a spat with the Italian government. This is, I don’t know, the fifth time we’ve written about Stellantis and Italy beefing?

And, yet, Stellantis is highly profitable. Yeah, sales are down in the United States, and Fiat lost its position as the biggest brand in Italy to Volkswagen. Jeep, maybe its most valuable brand, is faltering. And yet… the company is making money, the shares are up, and investors are getting dividends.

All of this is why Tavares was able to claim a 60% increase in compensation to almost $40 million, which is more than 500x what an average Stellantis employee makes. As the CEO of a public company, however, Tavares needs his compensation approved and that’s where the trouble begins.

From Bloomberg via Automotive News:

At Tuesday’s annual general meeting, advisory firms Glass Lewis and Proxinvest are urging investors to vote against approving the €36.5 million ($39 million) total compensation package, up almost 60 percent from 2022 levels. The package includes a new incentive award worth €10 million tied to meeting electrification and software goals. Two years ago, investors rejected Tavares’s pay plan in a non-binding vote after opposition in France.

There’s another part of this article I think that’s important to highlight:

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Tavares, 65, is seeking to make Stellantis leaner to endure in the shift to EVs. The payoff has included a roughly 60 percent share price jump in 2023, even as the company lost ground to rivals in several countries, including France and the U.S., according to forecaster Jato Dynamics.

“There’s a contract between the company and myself, just as there are contracts for soccer players and for Formula 1 drivers,” Tavares told reporters visiting a plant in northern France on Monday. “Also, 90 percent of my salary depends on the company’s results — this goes to show they aren’t that bad.”

Glass Lewis specifically objected to the extra €10 million incentive award for work that it views as “intrinsic” to an executive’s duties.

That’s not unfair. Isn’t it the job of an automotive CEO to make sure its car company is ready for the EV transition? Why should that be a bonus?

Anyway, car company execs named Carlos never have issues related to being fairly compensated so I’m sure this will all go super well.

German Chancellor In China To Try And Normalize Relations

Xi And Scholz
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The European Union is not pumped about all of these cheap Chinese EVs being shipped to Europe, but the cold-slash-hard reality is that Europe needs China and China needs Europe and all the ongoing arguments, while sincere, are not likely to change that.

One of the countries most tied to China is Germany, which is why German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is doing a tour of the Asian nation with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Per Reuters:

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“China’s exports of electric vehicles, lithium batteries and photovoltaic products have not only enriched global supply and alleviated inflationary pressure, but also contributed greatly to the response to climate change and green and low-carbon transformation,” Xi told Scholz.

“(Germany and China) should be vigilant against rising protectionism, look at the issue of production capacity objectively and dialectically from a market-oriented and global perspective,” Xi said.
Scholz has been cautious about pushing away China, an important market for Germany, saying the EU should not act out of protectionist self-interest.

I love the “look at the issue of production capacity objectively and dialectically” line. China is theoretically a Communist country, but that line kinda gives away the whole game right? The Chinese government needs a strong economy to keep its population placated and access to foreign markets and exports are key to doing that. At the same time, Germany has to sell some Maybachs, so it all works out for everyone (well, minus some light slavery).

This line also reminds me of the importance of a Liberal Arts education. An engineering class will teach you how to do something, and that’s important, but a philosophy class might help you understand why you should (or shouldn’t!) do it.

GM Is Leaving The Rennaissance Center

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Photo: GM

GM’s giant, 1970s-era high-rise complex in Detroit is called the Rennaissance Center and it’s a key part of the city’s skyline. It’s also a terrible design. Trying to get in a meeting at the Renn Center is like being stuck in an MC Escher drawing where you never end up on the right floor but somehow always end up in a damn Starbucks.

Anyway, GM is leaving the Renaissance Center for a new Dan Gilbert project, which makes sense, but what happens to the old building?

From The Detroit News:

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GM, Bedrock and the city also will take a year to consider the right future for the Renaissance Center, which could include commercial, residential or mixed uses, Barra said. She declined to commit to GM’s ownership of the building long-term, saying, “We’re wide open.” Duggan said they’ll look at potential corporate opportunities, smaller tenants and even suggested the city could look at consolidating multiple offices it has throughout the city in the Renaissance Center if it saves money. He added that the state is looking at research and development incentives for the site.

“I’m not sure what the right combination of uses is, but we have the right leaders,” Duggan said. “Nobody knows more about reusing buildings than Dan Gilbert. He’s done one after another.”

Hear me out: Laser Tag.

Nissan Thinks It’s Gonna Make Solid State A Thing

Nissan Solid StateNissan got out early in the EV revolution with the Nissan Leaf but, for various reasons, kinda stumbled. Rather than be the best company in the current EV revolution, Nissan is trying to do what other automakers are doing and skipping ahead to solid-state batteries.

Hans Greimel went on a tour of Nissan’s impending solid-state plant, and it’s interesting to see the timeframe:

Initial volumes will be limited to several tens of thousands of cells, enough to power only a handful of prototype vehicles, executives said during an April 16 tour of the facility.

But the pilot run will gradually scale up to about 100 megawatts per year, or enough for about 1,000 to 2,000 EVs, depending on the battery size, said Executive Vice President Hideyuki Sakamoto, Nissan’s global manufacturing chief.

After mass production begins in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2029, volume could eventually reach between 3 to 30 gigawatts a year.

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Ben
Ben
8 months ago

This line also reminds me of the importance of a Liberal Arts education. An engineering class will teach you how to do something, and that’s important, but a philosophy class might help you understand why you should (or shouldn’t!) do it.

I’m counting this as a COTD since I posted a similar thing about 3 weeks ago: https://www.theautopian.com/dont-blame-marques-brownlee-or-any-journo-if-fisker-goes-bankrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-342342

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
8 months ago

Autopian HQ. Or somehow collect insurance money

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
8 months ago

Hear me out: Laser Tag.

My vote is for world’s largest escape room.

Or better yet, “The Die Hard Experience” combination laser tag and escape room!

Chronometric
Chronometric
8 months ago

Losing GM as the downtown Renn Center anchor client is devastating for a city trying to achieve critical mass. Personally, I think GM should renovate it and stay as a gift to the city. Perhaps with better amenities they could attract other occupants.

Bracq P
Bracq P
8 months ago

Please don’t forget that german and british carmakers Opel and Vauxhall also belong to Stellantis. I volunteer for reading articles before they get published. It feels as if the high frequency of output is nibbling away on completeness.

Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Stop Making Us Register To Comment
8 months ago
Reply to  Bracq P

Exactly….I am an American…nit a car journalist either, and even I knew they now control those brands.

Brian Ash
Brian Ash
8 months ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Also forgot Ferrari, thats kinda an important one. Probably where all of Stellantis profits come from, only say that because I have no idea what else would be generating profits for them.

Nathaniel
Nathaniel
8 months ago
Reply to  Brian Ash

Ferrari is most emphatically not part of Stellantis. In fact Ferrari’s market cap is higher than that of Stellantis.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
8 months ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

I understood that Matt’s breakdown of Stellantis wasn’t intended to be an exhaustive compilation of its brands but where the company’s power centers lie.

Scott Ross
Scott Ross
8 months ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ren Cen was turned into Ceaser’s Detroit, to match the Ceaser’s in Windsor

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

Or just a really big Ramada Plaza International with it’s own Chi-Chi’s

“We have you in the Toronado Suite, Sir – Here’s your coupon for a free Margarita and a Chalupa. Enjoy your stay!”

Last edited 8 months ago by Urban Runabout
Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

Now hear me out on this: for the 5 towers. Little Ceaser’s, Dominos, Papa Johns, Pizza Hut, and CiCi’s Pizza all get a tower. Whoever has the highest sales each year (number of pizzas sold) gets the central tower. Let the Pizza wars begin!

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
8 months ago

This is Detroit we are talking about. I vote Hungry Howie’s instead of CiCi’s. The lobby will be dedicated to all the Michigan made potato chip brands. If there is a basement, make that the Michigan made wine and beer cellar. Put a Dragon Mead Brewery on the top floor of the center tower.

Library of Context
Library of Context
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

Couldn’t Omni Consumer Products just move back in?

ProfPlum
ProfPlum
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

Maybe it will become the world’s biggest Spirit of Halloween.

Keon R
Keon R
8 months ago

I wish Mike Manley was still in charge, FCA had a lot cooler stuff when he was around, it helped make up for the lack of quality/reliability that you got with FCA cars. Now, they’re peddling the same junk, but are taking the soul and excitement out of it.

Last edited 8 months ago by Keon R
Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
8 months ago
Reply to  Keon R

As a former employee that left a year into the Stellantis transition, I’m glad I got out.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
8 months ago

Does anybody else get the feeling that Carlos Tavares miiiiight be a bit of a dick?

Last edited 8 months ago by DialMforMiata
Ryan L
Ryan L
8 months ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

Must be quite adept at navigating corporate BS to be able to ask for a raise after how poorly he’s mismanaged Jeep.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
8 months ago
Reply to  Ryan L

And Dodge, can’t forget Dodge.

Der Foo
Der Foo
8 months ago

What is this “Dodge” that you speak of? I must have already forgotten it…..just like Stellantis forgot about V8 Hemi.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
8 months ago
Reply to  Der Foo

Stellantis: V8 GO BRRRRR

Regulations: yeah but that can’t last forever

Stellantis: FUCK YOU V8 GO BRRRRR AND SCREAMS FREEDOM

Climate change: it be bad

Regulations: so about those V8s’ emissions and your horrendous CAFE numbers

Stellantis: FUCK YOU! V8 GO BRRRRRRRR

Regulations: you can no longer do this shit, sorry. You had a decade to plan for this so hopefully you came up with something.

Stellantis: WE’VE BEEN VICTIMIZED BY THE WOKE AGENDA WAHHHHHHHHH POOR US anyway here’s a muscle EV that weighs more than a Tahoe

Gee, who coulda seen this one coming? If they weren’t such defiant idiots on electrification they could be like Ford and GM right now…still selling glorious V8s for us sickos who still want them. Instead Doge has a shitty half baked Italian crossover and an upcoming EV muscle car that no one wants.

Carlos Tavares: I DESERVE A HUMUNGOUS RAISE

Parsko
Parsko
8 months ago

TBQ:
fdisk C:\\

MrLM002
MrLM002
8 months ago

What should GM do with the Renn Cen?

Use it, commercial office space values are down in the dumps currently, and most commercial office space is not cost effective to convert into apartments, even at today’s low commercial office space prices.

Really the only legal thing you can do to get your money’s worth out of it currently is to use it, because noone else will.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
8 months ago
Reply to  MrLM002

If only it were to experience a catastrophic fire shortly after they move out.

Greg
Greg
8 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

perfect, they can just call the same guy.

Der Foo
Der Foo
8 months ago
Reply to  MrLM002

The catch is that the buildings already need some major updates/repairs to the HVAC, plumbing, etc. I think that is the reason GM wants out of there now.

The company has never given me an all expense paid trip to HQ, but from others that have been there and those based there, I have picked up on some angst at having to navigate around in those buildings. Much bigger angst at having to commute to that office, find parking and make their way the rest of the journey to their cubes.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
8 months ago

LOL Detroit saying they have the right leaders.

How the fuck is Stellantis making money? Parts and service? Out-of-warranty work? Who the fuck buys that shit? They are the dump for all the shitty cars. All they need is the British shit, and they are complete.

It should be illegal to increase executive pay after/upon employee layoffs.

John Beef
John Beef
8 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

No person is worth $40 million a year. No person is worth 500x the pay of an average employee. Does he do the work of 500 people? No. People who think they’re worth that much, especially after laying anyone off, are cockroaches and deserve to be exterminated as such.

The Dude
The Dude
8 months ago
Reply to  John Beef

And for good reason.

Space
Space
8 months ago
Reply to  The Dude

Yes, because they have extra tender meat.

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago

The law of supply and demand is topsy turvy for CEO’s. Surely there are hundred of lower ranked sociopaths in the company more than willing to take the job. Why pay more?

Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Stop Making Us Register To Comment
8 months ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

He wants 40 million? I will do his job for 40 thousand and do a better job with no experience!

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
8 months ago

Ford’s HQ is in a pretty awkward spot. Just out there in the suburbs, kinda by a Benihana. What better way to attract hip young staff, then a landmark central office in the center of downtown. Plus Jim can ride a bike in from Grosse Point. Call it the New Edge Center.

Scott Ross
Scott Ross
8 months ago

The proper thing to do is take the boat from Grosse Pointe like Edsel Ford Used to do.

Chronometric
Chronometric
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

The Fairest Lane of all.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
8 months ago
Reply to  Scott Ross

Can’t risk falling into the river anymore.

S13 Sedan
S13 Sedan
8 months ago

Ford did built the Rencen in the first place so in a way it would be them taking their building back.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
8 months ago

Ford already has plenty of currently empty office space, and the old Michigan Central rail station in Corktown.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
8 months ago

we’re going to put all three people who still work at Chrysler in there now. Plus a Lil Ceasers.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
8 months ago

I know I keep banging on about “death ray this” and “death ray that”, but could the shiny outside of the RenCen be configured into some sort of reflector/aiming device for a death ray?

Uninformed Fucknugget
Uninformed Fucknugget
8 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I like the death ray idea but who would be on the receiving end? Would it be aimed at Windsor just because they happen to be on the other side of the river? Can it be aimed so that we could take random pot shots across the bow of passing freighters? Could we engrave our initials into the surface of the moon? Can it be used for the world’s largest Pink Floyd laser light show?

Man With A Reliable Jeep
Man With A Reliable Jeep
8 months ago

I never had a whole lot of faith in this “Stellantis stuff,” but I certainly have a whole let less faith in it now. I’m curious how long it’ll actually be before this relationship sours.

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago

Don’t take Stellantis on an empty stomach or less than 2 hours before bedtime.

User’s experiencing an inability to achieve an erection while on Stellantis should call their doctor.

Parsko
Parsko
8 months ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

User’s experiencing an inability to achieve an erection while on Stellantis should call their doctor.

Isn’t that the whole point… we don’t want these people reproducing.

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago
Reply to  Parsko

With the discontinuation of the hemi V8, Stellantis users are already fighting record Low-T levels. Reproduction is off the table.

Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Stop Making Us Register To Comment
8 months ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

Carlos needs to do no fap 2024 to build up his levels.

Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Stop Making Us Register To Comment
8 months ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

Ask your doctor about once daily Stellantis.

If you or a loved one took Stellantis and died, call the number on the screen now…you may be entitled to compensation.

Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Stop Making Us Register To Comment
8 months ago

Around the 10 year mark from when it became “Stellantis” you will start to notice brands being discontinued.

Chrysler and Lancia being the two most likely…. Chrysler even more so…. but they may sell the brands off to the Chinese….. especially Chrysler.

Last edited 8 months ago by Stop Making Us Register To Comment
Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
8 months ago

and she worried about me. Was I sad? Why does Siri think I’m sad? So I played this instead, to show I was happy.”

That’s freaking adorable! I love being a dad of daughters. I’ve got two of them. They are the meaning of life for me.

Anyways, LASER TAG FTW!

V10omous
V10omous
8 months ago

Notification bell disappear from the top of the page for anyone else?

Toecutter
Toecutter
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

It disappeared for me.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Not my Delirium! What a fine beer.

Also yeah it disappeared, I thought I got locked out for spamming because I’ve been getting all my commenting done before I get going for the day 😛

V10omous
V10omous
8 months ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

What a fine beer

Pink elephants!

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Sheez-a-no-there!

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago
Reply to  Vanillasludge

Sheez-a-back.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Same. I’ll sheepishly admit I kept resizing the page thinking maybe it was enlarged & the bell off the side

Parsko
Parsko
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

yup, me 6

Ryan L
Ryan L
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

its been broken/useless for me for a long time. Never resets basically.

V10omous
V10omous
8 months ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

It’s back!

Last edited 8 months ago by V10omous
MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Adjust your color. That’s Autopian Teal.

Waremon0
Waremon0
8 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

I thought I was going mad seeing it shake without actually having a new notification, like how I sometimes feel phantom vibrations from my phone in my pocket. Glad to know if I am going mad, I’m not the only one.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
8 months ago

Well, I’ve been in the RenCen twice, both times the GM gift shop was closed, which made me sad, but the carousel of concepts made me happy. They should put a museum of Detroit in there, with a Motown section, a sports section, an automotive/transportation section (complete with karting track) and free People Mover rides, and a natural history section. Put affordable apartments in the mid to upper floors, and bar/grill on the top floor.

John in Ohio
John in Ohio
8 months ago

Yes to this.

Vicente Perez
Vicente Perez
8 months ago

Xi Jinping‘s rehearsed picture face is so amusing. No matter the context, it always looks like he is in the last shot of “Curb Your Enthusiasm”.

Last edited 8 months ago by Vicente Perez
SNL-LOL Jr
SNL-LOL Jr
8 months ago
Reply to  Vicente Perez

Let’s not go there, lest they start censoring the show a la Winnie the Pooh.

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
8 months ago
Reply to  Vicente Perez

He looks like a sultana raisin preserved in a jello+epoxy mix.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
8 months ago

I just pulled up The National to make sure I was thinking of the right band, and yes, I love that guy’s voice, but 1000% sad dad music for sure.

Re: commercial real estate: I was just thinking about this when I was out driving around the other day and struck on a wild-ass hypothesis.

What if (at least some) companies saw this coming?

The company for which I work in the mid-10’s sold their enormous building and leased it right back from whoever they’d sold it to. It used to have actual manufacturing capacity, and at least still had a literal substation to itself and huge amounts of high current test cells, high voltage capabilities, etc and so on. But! More and more of the manufacturing floor space was empty every year, so much so even the shipping and loading bays didn’t have much coming or going from them.

I remember thinking how ridiculous it seemed at the time – what were we gonna do without all those test cells and high voltage and current capabilities? There was an answer, it was just bleaker than I thought: don’t do that work anymore and get rid of those jobs. Not long after I was gone, that company let the lease end and moved to a crappy hot-desking space 30 miles straight across town. If you worked with hardware that didn’t fit on your desk, you were probably looking for a new job.

I should go see what that building is like these days. It’s a nice day for a long ride.

A. Barth
A. Barth
8 months ago

What should GM do with the Renn Cen?

There are a couple of options.

One, go with the existing name and make it a dedicated Renaissance Festival venue – call it the Ren Fest Cen.

Or two, we make use of the additional n in “Renn Cen” and turn it into a racing park. Rennen is the German word meaning ‘to run’ or ‘to race’; ‘Rennsport’ basically means ‘motorsport’. There would be enough room to have basic, mid, and posh levels of racing for electric karts, quads, minibikes, etc. along with various tiers of concessions. Want to have a kid’s birthday party? Basic level. Want to have a business event with high-end catering? Posh level.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
8 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth
Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
8 months ago

The new HQ for GM looks decidedly smaller and… not very distinctive. Just another boring office building. Big change from being the centerpiece of the city’s skyline.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/04/15/after-28-years-at-detroits-rencen-gm-to-move-global-hq-to-new-hudsons-building/

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
8 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Thus perfectly capturing the spirit of today’s GM. Smaller, not very distinctive and very boring.

Icouldntfindaclevername
Icouldntfindaclevername
8 months ago

Make the building mixed use. That’s the best bang for the buck for the building owner(s).

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
8 months ago

Given there are more than 300,000 Muslims is the greater Detroit/Dearborn area, perhaps a grand mosque is in order. Or a shopping mall, whatever.

Chronometric
Chronometric
8 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

The outer towers could be minerets!

Paul B
Paul B
8 months ago

I wonder if OCP is looking to move to a new building?

I heard the board of directors considers their current boardroom haunted after the ED-209 incident.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
8 months ago
Reply to  Paul B

More likely ICP than anything.

Last edited 8 months ago by Taargus Taargus
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