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Here’s How Ford Could Have Rejected Retro And Taken The 2005 Mustang Down A Very Different Road

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It’s 2025. That means it’s been twenty years since we’ve had a new Mustang.

Oh, I know they still make America’s favorite pony car, and that it’s been updated over the last two decades. However, with the introduction of the S197 in 2005, each “new” Mustang has essentially followed exactly the same design pattern: create a modern interpretation of the 1965-70 car.

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Sure, virtually every sports car from a Porsche 911 to Miata is an “interpretation” of the original version, but in the case of the 2005 S197, the new iteration was in the same vein as the New Beetle or Ford’s own GT and Thunderbird from that era. This formula was simple: lift every visual cue from the earlier car, transpose it onto the latest platform, and essentially remake the original – but with better tech and safety and performance, of course. But an actual new styling direction? No.

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Some balk at these types of “retro” mobiles, but I’ve generally found them to be appealing, though that appeal runs its course. The 1997 “new” Beetle was “updated” in 2011 but eventually discontinued, while the Ford reboots are also deceased, except for the pony car. The Mustang continues, heavily modified but still essentially a “current” version of the late-sixties product.

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The approach has certainly worked (and was echoed by Chevy and Dodge with the Camaro and Challenger revivals), but what if Ford had chosen to follow the true spirit of the Mustang and what it represented back in 2005?

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So, what exactly do I mean by “true spirit of the Mustang?” Well, for much of its life, the Mustang was a semi-cutting-edge car.

Before I was born, my parents really wouldn’t have minded a European sports car, but the compromises they’d have to make in terms of practicality and debt made such a choice unrealistic.

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The 1965 Mustang (there was no official 1964 1/2 model, people) let them have a sporting, 200-plus horsepower green convertible with easy-to-maintain Ford mechanicals at the price of a loaded Falcon.

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As cars got bigger in America and the muscle power wars struck almost every class in all brands, the Mustang followed suit. Many thought that this upsizing in all aspects was to the pony car’s detriment, but the “sumo” class ‘Stangs were still pretty damn cool.

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What about when the gas crunch hit, and Boomers wanted imported sport coupes in the seventies? Or, when some of them wanted posh tiny luxury coupes? The 1974 Mustang II took what must be one of the most dramatic one-year change for a nameplate ever by doing a complete about-face. Laugh all you like, but Ford gave these buyers what they wanted.

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From luxurious Ghia notchbacks to V8 fastbacks (with those Euro amber rear turn signals!), the much-lambasted Pintostang had something for everyone.

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Moving ahead to 1979, a Mercedes 450SLC coupe was what you wanted, but it cost as much as a house and there’s no way that your sorry ass could have afforded it.

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What if you could get something sort of similar looking, with V8 or Turbo power designed by exactly the same person who designed the Blue Oval’s German products? Ford gave us exactly that:

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You might not believe it, but when it came out, the Foxstang didn’t even look like an American car to most people, especially with the blacked-out trim and metric TRX wheels and tires.

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With the 1995 SN95 model, the Mustang was given a more rounded look that followed visual trends popular in the Japanese and European sport coupes of the time.

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Styling details like the “side scallop” were small callbacks to the Mustangs of the past, as were the three-bar taillights of later models, but overall, it was a new design that wasn’t an unabashed copy of anything from the past.

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In 2005, however, all subtle nods to the Mustangs of yesteryear gave way to a flat-out S197 “retro futuristic” vision of a first-gen Mustang (though primarily the 1968-70 editions). Styling-wise, it was basically the same damn car.

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This was good fun at first, and it certainly caught the eye of people who wanted to revisit the “great generation” of Mustangs. However, in doing so, one might argue that the original intent was lost. As our man Adrian Clarke put so much better than I could:

…the Mustang took a step back into the warm bath of nostalgia. Since then it’s been, like it’s contemporaries the Camaro and Challenger, trading on a heritage appeal that does a disservice to those earlier generations.

If the Mustang’s appeal is its authenticity, why are we getting a fuzzy copy of a copy, like a bootleg cassette that’s been passed around high school and re-recorded repeatedly?

You have a car with nearly sixty years of design heritage, that adapted to reflect the circumstances of its time, but Ford is determined to keep us in 1964.

That’s the whole conundrum there. Buyers of cars in 1964 generally weren’t looking at something that referenced a 1924 car, much less a 1904 car. Why do buyers of a 2025 car want something that heavily references a sixty-year-old design?

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What if, as a buyer in 2005, you really aspired to a high-end European sport coupe just like many 1964 customers did? In the past, a Mustang would have been aimed at a person like yourself, but the decision to rehash the past was a double-edged sword since it effectively cut out that potential market.

Ford likely isn’t crying about this choice of direction, and ten years from now we will likely be seeing a 2035 vision of the 1968 car. Still, it does make me wonder: what it they had taken a different path in 2005 and tried to keep the Mustang as a current, up-to-date foreign car-inspired design that was within your reach and also your grasp?

Do Pay Attention, 007

As it so happens, I was a thirty-something buyer in 2005, potentially interested in buying a sports coupe. But what kind of sporting two-door would I have been looking for? The first thing that comes to mind is an Orient Blue E46 BMW Three Series; a vehicle that, as a new car, would have been a bit more than I wanted to spend. Perhaps an Infiniti G35? Maybe. I hate to say it, but a sixties-inspired Mustang would not have been on the list.

No, I wanted a car that made me feel like I was buying something beyond my station. Ford had successfully done this for years with everything from the cheesy fake-Mercedes Granada to legitimate high-design-for-the-masses entries like the 1983 and 1989 T-Bird or the 1986 Taurus. What could the 2005 Mustang have aspired to? A Ferrari is a bit too sporting, and BMWs were starting to get Bangled up. Mercedes might not have been tough enough looking, but maybe a Maserati was?

Actually, at the time of the S197’s debut, Ford had a brand in their own “Premier Automotive Group” stable that might have been a good aspirational goal: an Aston Martin.

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That’s right; Astons from the late-sixties DBS forwards always looked like high-end Mustangs to me anyway, so why not take it the other direction? James Bond was known for his Aston Martin, but he did drive a ’71 Mach II in Diamonds Are Forever (plus a Mustang-based Cougar convertible for good measure).

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Now there’s a car we all really wanted but could only have afforded in 2005 if we sold both kidneys, and then there wouldn’t have been enough room for the dialysis machine we’d have to carry with us at all times. Could we really apply an Aston Martin aesthetic to a Ford? Well, either intentionally or not, Ford actually did just that in the 2010s; remember the Fusions with front ends that looked like a DB9 if you weren’t wearing your glasses?

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What if we stole the look of Ian Callum’s 2004 DB9 design and modified it to a Mustang? I think you’d have a pretty muscular but sophisticated-looking thing that might just make hardcore Euro and import car snobs take a second look.

Obviously, the whole thing would need to get a bit taller and with a higher roof in back for more of a usable rear seat. The nose of my rough idea is an abstract interpretation of the typical Mustang face, with the downward-facing grille of 1965-70 products but swept-back clear-covered headlamps like the Aston or a Jag-wire. The side “scallop” fits naturally into the shape and continues to the front of the car; it’s perfect when legacy styling details can enhance your design and not look plastered on.

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There could be a base model, a GT, and the “T5” model that’s shown. Named after the version of the Mustang sold overseas for years (since in Germany there was already a truck that used this name), the idea of the “T5” would be to make a high-performance ‘Stang with an understated, European look (just like the version developed to be sold overseas). This would be very similar to the much-loved “LX 5.0” model of the late Fox Mustang that gave you all the performance bits without the ground effect, spoilers, stripes, and other geegaws of the GT that many didn’t want (and at a lower price).

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I’m thinking of a sort-of-notchback style that could translate into a convertible easily. Like the Mustang II and Fox body, the tail will not be an exact copy of the Mustang forebearers, but it will still have the family resemblance.

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Honestly, we could maybe even offer subtle “sail” panels in body color or black (possibly combined with a larger wing on performance models) to give us a fastback-like style option without having to make an all-new model (the current 2025 model doesn’t offer the versatility of the Fox’s hatchback but buyers don’t seem to mind). I hate how on the German-market car below we’d have to add plugs for the rear side markers and red fog lights to the white backup lights (that mimic the original ‘Stang), but at least I have the wide license plate cavity.

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Inside, I thought the “dual cowl” dash of the SN95 was interesting but a bit forced, while the S197 was closer to earlier Mustangs yet ended up looking kind of cheap. Aston Martin did something similar but higher-end looking with their interpretation of the split-style dash:

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We could apply the same thing to this Aston Mar-stang; we’d use much of the DB9’s shape but keep a subtle “double cowl” shape in front of the driver and passenger and retain OEM Ford bits and a double-DIN infotainment setup.

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The only things I changed were moving the mirror control off of the front door “wing” and putting the 12-volt power socket down lower (on my S197 rentals I hated the plug dead center on the dash and cords hanging down). You can see that the storage bin on top of the dash center might be substituted for extra gauges on performance models.

In all, we’d have a next-generation Mustang that followed the trends of high-end cars from the period, yet kept enough of the pony car DNA. I’m not sure if what I’ve roughly rendered up here is exactly the answer, but something with a high-end Euro car look that I could buy for the price of a used lower-level Three Series? A reliable V8 and a warranty for the same cash? A brand-new car where you could pick the color and options? Well, even an insufferable import car snob (like me) would certainly take a hard look at that.

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Ford’s efforts to keep the Mustang sort of trapped in the sixties seem to be paying off in terms of sales. Don’t get me wrong: it’s still a slick-looking machine and a great performance value for the money. All of us Autopians should thank their lucky stars that Ford keeps this model alive as their only “car” in a world of SUVs and crossovers (and one of the few actual American cars left in general). There’s no denying that, as hackneyed and overplayed as the whole Steve McQueen Bullitt thing is now, there’s still a timeless cool to the old-school Mustang design.

All I’m saying is: There are a few of us enthusiasts who fondly remember a time when the Mustang was a living, breathing, and changing thing that gave us a slice of contemporary, often unaffordable overseas design combined with American muscle at a price that almost any of us could buy and maintain. That was Lee Iacocca’s original mission statement for Ford’s pony car, and part of me really misses that.

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Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
5 days ago

This is a fun thought experiment, haha. Really I wish they would have gone for more Fox Body influence on the S650 myself, could have moved the retro forward a little bit at least…as is there seems no reason to buy a new model over a nice s550 or a special edition s197 (Boss for example).

Steven Moor
Steven Moor
5 days ago

The Fox Body Mustang had the leanest stance imo, no wasted space at all, proportions all worked well, looks light and nimble – I much prefer it over the original 60’s Mustang shape.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
5 days ago
Reply to  Steven Moor

I think it must be a product of when I grew up, but I can’t see a fox body mustang as anything other than “$500 piece of junk every douchebag in high school owned and it never ran right and looked like crap.”

Scott Hunter
Scott Hunter
5 days ago
Reply to  Andreas8088

100% agree. And same with the mid-70s “Pintostang” design. I can never see anything but a piece of sh*t.

Steven Moor
Steven Moor
5 days ago
Reply to  Andreas8088

Ha! Good to know. I didn’t grow up in the US.

Dan1101
Dan1101
4 days ago
Reply to  Andreas8088

If the high school kids hadn’t wrapped theirs around a tree they were probably modding them and screwing them up. I had 90 and 91 GTs and they were probably the most reliable cars I’ve owned.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
4 days ago
Reply to  Dan1101

Oh yeah, no doubt about that.

MST3Karr
MST3Karr
3 days ago
Reply to  Andreas8088

I graduated in the early 90’s and knew a kid with an 87 GT convertible. It was dope even though the clutch was like a leg press.

AceRimmer
AceRimmer
3 days ago
Reply to  Steven Moor

Fox-body just looks like an oversized Ford Escort. That is not a compliment.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
6 days ago

I do not like this ‘different road’ the Mustang might have taken. I’m glad Ford did the retro design.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
6 days ago

Aston? I get huge Volvo C30 vibes.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
6 days ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

Yeah… definitely getting Volvo-ish vibes… and for a Mustang, that’s not right.

Musicman27
Musicman27
5 days ago

Now what if this IS the design they went with? Would our ’05 design be “Not right” in that dimension then?

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Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
5 days ago
Reply to  Musicman27

Now what if this IS the design they went with?”

Then it wouldn’t have been as popular.

“Would our ’05 design be “Not right” in that dimension then?”

No… what would happen is people would say “That’s the design they should have gone with”

Ed Dale
Ed Dale
6 days ago

I wonder what a new sporty car would look like from Ford or Chevy, without any throwback to design cues from the past? Something without a automatic v8 engine, long hood short tail style. I’m thinking of the Lotus Elise, McLaren, or even the 90’s Elan that stood out as different. We will likely never see it, since we are influenced to think 50’s and 60’s style is cool.

Mark Huston
Mark Huston
6 days ago

Just to be sure, are these Aston Mar-stang images AI-assisted art?

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Mark Huston

If by AI you mean Assbackwards Imbecile (me) then yes.

Mark Huston
Mark Huston
5 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

LOL ok good. Good to see that this website continues to produce real journalism and real art by real people : )

The Bishop
The Bishop
5 days ago
Reply to  Mark Huston

Click on the caption below the main image (Beverly Hills Car Club) to see what I messed with.

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Mark Huston

AI can work but I’d spend so much time editing it there would be nothing left.

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Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
6 days ago

“Buyers of cars in 1964 generally weren’t looking at something that referenced a 1924 car“

Excalibur has entered the chat

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
6 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

It says “buyers.”
I’m sure the dozens of Excalibur enthusiasts will contort in rage, but there were only 3500 of them made in total, and the company failed (several times).

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
6 days ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

I was being silly. I think they maybe sold 25 cars (plus or minus) the first year

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
6 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

Well, we know for sure that Phyllis Diller bought four of them (according to Wikipedia), so there’s the market LOL

Tricky Motorsports
Tricky Motorsports
6 days ago

I for one am glad this abortion isn’t real.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
6 days ago

It seems to take one of the prettiest design elements of the Aston (the fascia), and replace it with the worst part of the 2005 Mustang – that square-ass tacked-on truck face.

Vee
Vee
6 days ago

You’ve made the 1965 Mach 1 prototype but with some of the body styling of the 2003 Visos concept.

Honestly Ford did have a good design for the Mustang, only it wasn’t a Mustang. Or even a Ford. It was the 2003 Mercury Messenger concept. Round some of the Messenger’s sharp edges to fit more in line with the regular New Edge styling, put the three bar taillights on the rear, maybe mess with the front roof shape a bit, and there’s your Mustang.

Weirdly enough the Messenger’s design motifs were never used on another Ford vehicle. Which is so odd considering the excited reception it got at the Detroit Auto Show that year, and the effort Mercury was making to differentiate itself from Ford after the Tracer, Mystique, and Grand Marquis trio all harmed the brand because of the severe badge engineering.

Mall Explorer
Mall Explorer
6 days ago

Ironically, then, that if we take the premise of this piece to its extreme, the Mach-E is the more faithful Mustang of the duo, in that it offers aspirational performance a la mode at an attainable price point.

ETA: and looks like a carbon copy of the Model Y, to boot!

Last edited 6 days ago by Mall Explorer
Andrew Bugenis
Andrew Bugenis
6 days ago
Reply to  Mall Explorer

Yeah, that was my thoughts. This article presents a good 2005 Mustang for the mission statement, but the Mach E fulfills said mission statement in the current day.

First Last
First Last
5 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Bugenis

Maybe we’ve all been wrong this whole time and the Mach-e, instead of being a money-grabbing ripoff of a beloved nameplate, was actually the REAL MUSTANG ALL ALONG. Ford just decided to throw the oldsters a bone and keep the “Mustang classic” going alongside it.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
6 days ago

The S197 is still my favorite post-Mustang II design. Nice and clean. The Mustang has gotten increasingly baroque since then. Too much going on.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
6 days ago

Agreed. My sister had ’79 two door and it was a good looking vehicle. Not the three door hatchback which I didn’t care for.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
6 days ago

Not feeling it. The 2005 Mustang was a great looking car – this just isn’t. I’ve never really thought of the 2005 as particularly “retro”, it just looks like a Mustang should. Long nose, short rear deck, classic pony car. The foxbody was a little too upright, but I like those too.

They did attract a LOT of attention though. I had one as a rental about three weeks after they were released, and driving though a tiny town in South Dakota the local cop pulled me over for 25 in a 20, and completely admitted he really just wanted a look at the car! And that was just a basic 6cyl rental spec one.

RallyMech
RallyMech
6 days ago
Reply to  Kevin B Rhodes

I honestly never knew Fox’s had a V6 option (two of them, plus the I6 79-82), despite owning one. The later cars are definitely more attractive than the earlier 4 eye front end. Mine is a LX 2.3 turned drag car with a 545ci FBB, using Chevy LS injectors, coils, and a MS2 ECU.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
5 days ago
Reply to  RallyMech

I knew Foxbodies had an I6 option. a friend had one (and it was slooooow). I never knew they got the V6 either. But every Foxbody I have ever driven other than that one (and it was an early one), was a GT. Fun!

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
6 days ago

I realllly like the 1st rear 3/4 view. It nails the look without trying to force modern design language retroactively.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
6 days ago

Retro has really run its course, and it’s wild that Ford is so rigidly committed to it. It feels like they’re terrified of trying something new.

That’s why I do genuinely have a lot of respect for GM for never going the retro route with the Corvette – every generation has been its own unique thing. I wish Ford had done the same thing with the Mustang, but I’m afraid that they’ve been doing the retro thing for so long now they don’t know how to stop.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
6 days ago

It feels like they’re terrified of trying something new.

Well, it’s their last non-crossover/non-SUV/non-truck. So it’s still working for them.

Protodite
Protodite
6 days ago

I dunno, the corvette just has a great design language behind it that evolves so well. Personally, I think without the fox body the mustang would have a similar line, but the fox body is a massive departure, and also very not good looking. The rear 3/4 comparison between that and the R107 is something I’ve never seen before, and sure they maybe tried, but it lacks every elegant detail that makes the R107 so good

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
6 days ago

Things had changed though. People who were buying Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs in the 60s and 70s were rich boomers who hadn’t yet had kids. People who were buying Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs in the 00s and 10s were rich boomers too, after the kids had left home.

The car companies focus grouped the market very effectively and realised that the thing people were going to buy was the car they’d had a poster of on their wall in 1970, so they just went ahead and made that.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
6 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

^This

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
6 days ago

The SN95 was the best looking Mustang. The Euro Capri should’ve been the Mustang II

Perhaps the retro 00s version could’ve been more like the 70s Euro Capri

And yes, this should’ve been the Mustang’s timeline:
64-67 original Mustang
68-86 Euro Capri
87-97 Probe
98-04 Cougar
04+ S197/other modern Mustangs

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Even though I disagree with parts of it (as, at the very least, the ’69/’70 is magic), I do appreciate the passion/the thought you put into your chronology.

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago

That lead/front three-quarter view would be a correct homage to a Mustang II coupe.

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

It does have that vibe!

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
6 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

I see a bit of Fusion.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
6 days ago

Like Italian Pad Thai.

The Bishop
The Bishop
5 days ago

Then you are Focused

Cerberus
Cerberus
6 days ago

I agree with the premise here and it’s the kind of thing that seems to grip a lot of makers. One thing I can credit Ferrari for is rarely looking to the past, certainly not confining themselves to it, even if I don’t like the results (can’t afford one, anyway, so no loss of sale there). The Camaro, though, I felt was worse. They started off on the return with the cartoony version of the ’69 kind of like the S197 did, but instead of refining it and evolving it from there as Ford did, they just mucked about with it. I kept waiting for them to at least move the styling inspiration forward to the second generation, but they never did. The other problem with the Camaro is that it seemed like a much more obvious retro fallback from the previous model when it was reintroduced.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
6 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

+1

The 5th gen Camaro should’ve been an evolution of the 3rd and 4th gen, and definitely should’ve had T-tops! I mean come on, when you think Camaro, you think T-tops! Camaro, yeah, the car with the T-Tops!!! Even though it wasn’t the only car to have them, they’re most associated with the Camaro.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Even as a die-hard Mustang guy, I agree with this 100%. The low-budget, practical solution appeal of the T-top cannot be overstated.

Cerberus
Cerberus
6 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I agree. And car structures today are far more rigid than they were back then in the days when they leaked.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
6 days ago

I never put together why I like the late 90’s Mustang design more than the more recent offerings but you nailed it, no overt retro cues. Your design would have definitely aged better than the 05 design

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 days ago

I own a New Edge SN95, and that’s exactly why I love the design – a bunch of touches that recall the past without the end result feeling like a reboot or copy.

Birk
Birk
6 days ago

I like how the strong lower swage line (correct term?) on your Astang T5 connecting the scoop/scallop to the front bumper is low, and inverses the line on the original along the upper side of the door/body, more like the later cars. But now that I type that, maybe that upper swage line connecting to the headlight corners instead of along the bottom would be the stronger statement? Kind of like the corner of the Fusion example. Fun article! Always appreciate a designer spending the time to play “what if.”

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
6 days ago

Agreeing with points below, the front end really does send heavy Volvo vibes. Who knew that DB9/Mustang babies would result in muscle bound Volvo’s?

I’d be curious to see what your thoughts are, again as mentioned below, on a new mustang inspired by the Fox generation.

I’ve never felt the design was a constant repeat of copy the 60s for the last 20 years. I have seen it as evolutions on the complete restart from 2005. No longer trying to mimic the 60s, but since the roots are there and we are evolving around those roots, then yes, the flavor has stayed in there.

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Adrian Clarke did a take on a modern Fox a while back here you can find!

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
6 days ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

My first thought was “Nice Volvo C60.”

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
6 days ago

Aha! That *is* what I was looking for. I typed in C60 to confirm for my own comment, but Google shat out some AI garbage that “The “Volvo C60″ likely refers to a Volvo XC60, a compact luxury SUV…” and then only showed me pictures of the XC60, so I thought maybe I had it wrong, and put C30 (still close-ish) in my comment.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
6 days ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Who knew that DB9/Mustang babies would result in muscle bound Volvo’s?”

Maybe they’ve been kegeling?

…wait, no, I think I misread that.

Howie
Howie
6 days ago

TL;DR
I love a lot of your takes, but I really think what tanked the Camaro is that GM focused on current owners. No new takes. The people that owned them determined the design directions. If that was the case in the 60s, we’d never have the Mustang in the first place.
Adrian’s take on the High $ kit car conversion of a Chally to a Cuda is right. Tacking crappy facias by hot rod guys and not designers (Illustrators only) is right on.
This is a little of that.
I had a 79 V8 Mustang Ghia, I really loved that underpowered car. I get nostalga, but I don’t listen to classic rock anymore as a hard rock bassist who grew up on Zep and Sabbath, et al.
Kowtowing to the people who liked the old model isn’t necessarily the way to go.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
6 days ago
Reply to  Howie

Yeah, designers marketing toward guys that already own the product is a terrible strategy. I won’t go into my rant but it’s a huge oversight in my mind

Howie
Howie
6 days ago

You don’t win new customers

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
6 days ago

To paraphrase Harlan James about the C8 corvette decision to go mid engine:
They thought about the market as 3 groups – Corvette enthusiasts, performance enthusiasts, and premium sports car buyers (Ferrari/Lambo).
The first group will pretty much buy whatever you give them, even if there are some grumbles about what a “real” corvette is. And going mid engine is what they needed to catch the other 2 groups

Howie
Howie
6 days ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

See my comment. You are spot on.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
6 days ago

I see a re-imagined 1st gen. Volvo C70 coupe in the top shot, not that that’s bad.

RKranc
RKranc
6 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

You beat me to it, but I see more of the 2nd gen C70. Either way makes a bit of sense with Volvo under Ford ownership at the time.

Maryland J
Maryland J
6 days ago
Reply to  RKranc

Yep. My mind also went immediately to the pre-facelift second gen C70.

Which for its era, I thought was pretty nice looking. Was on my shortlist of (now) cheap convertible hardtop weekend car.

OrigamiSensei
OrigamiSensei
6 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

As Hoonicus noted, I’m not sure about Mustang but I’d have loved the daylights out of your design as a Volvo.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
6 days ago
Reply to  OrigamiSensei

I’m expecting a Young Frankenstein “Damn your eyes”

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

Yeah! I love those! That whole era, especially the C30 fake 1800ES

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
6 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Came close to pulling the trigger on both, but the condition, or mods made me pass.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
6 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

Especially if you badge it with “T5” on the trunk.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
6 days ago

Your skill and eye for design constantly amazes. This is a car I’d love to see out on the road, and quite possibly in my garage. I’m in awe.

Beautiful job!

The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago

Thsnk you!

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 days ago

I’ve been waiting for months at this point for the Bishop-verse Mustang evolution to continue and it was worth it – thank you!

What gets me most about Ford’s retro fixation for the car is how it’s seemingly stuck in the mid 60s. When the latest, S650, version was on its way, I expected/hoped for a design language that perhaps more clearly recalled the Fox era, since that’s the classic Mustang that the peak buyer right now would fondly recall.

But no, another spin on the mid 60s.

(Though the NASCAR version has a flatter looking front end that does, to my eyes, seem a little more foxy)

Edit – your design also recalls the “Bruce Jenner” design concept a little bit, so it’s perhaps not so far fetched at all…

Last edited 6 days ago by Jack Trade
The Bishop
The Bishop
6 days ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

I didn’t forget about you! I’m just slow.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
6 days ago
Reply to  The Bishop

We got the Arnold with the real-life SN95, shades of the Rambo emerged with the ’98 Cobra, but it’s like the Jenner’s graceful but athletic lines took a big step closer to reality with your fleshed out vision. My SN95 what-if is now complete!

Tbird
Tbird
5 days ago
Reply to  Jack Trade

I remember seeing these concepts in C/D when the SN95 was new.

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