There is some part of me that felt as if the launch of the Scout brand was Volkswagen essentially trying to start over in America after far too many years failing to offer products that Americans actually want. This rebirth would start with a brand that has a rich American heritage; a Detroit headquarters near talent and a strong supply base; U.S. planners making product decisions with an early focus on SUV and trucks (the U.S.’s favorite segments); a plant in the less-unionized South; and a sales and service model that cuts out dealerships. This article is about that last part; let’s take a deep dive into how Scout plans to sell and service the Traveler, Terra, and whatever else is coming next.
Last week’s Scout announcement pretty much vaporized the internet as folks went gaga over two beautifully styled off-roaders with a unique powertrain that could be perfect for the 2024 market. But as amazing as the two products are, it was the sales/service presentation that really surprised me.
Volkswag — aherm, Scout — said during its presentation last week: “If an OEM could start over again, what would they do?” One answer apparently involves selling cars directly to consumers using an app as well as brick-and-mortar locations spread around the country. These locations will not be dealerships, but rather studios and workshops, meant to display vehicles and allow for service. The actual purchase of the vehicle is to be done entirely digitally and is meant to be as easy as “ordering a T-Shirt on Amazon.”
Let’s jump into the presentation, which begins with a Table of Contents showing six main sections of Scout’s sales and service plan: Direct Customer Relationships, Transparent Pricing, National Network, Speed in Purchasing and Servicing, Seamless Digital Integration, and Long-Term Customer Commitment:
Scout Thinks Interacting With Customers Will Give Them Helpful Data
The first few slides basically discussed how Volks — I keep doing that, sorry, how Scout — cutting out dealerships is going to yield benefits for the company. Scout’s VP of Growth, Cody Thacker, mentioned that eschewing dealers and instead “Selling Scouts to Scout owners at Scout-owned Sales Locations” allows the company to interact directly with the customer. The benefits of this, per Thacker, is unified marking and branding, as well as a “360-degree view of the customer.”
Basically, Scout believes that having a dealership between it and a customer limits the insights the company can gain about the consumer. That’s one thing that Scout emphasized: It wants customer data so it can gain deep insights to make smart decisions. (Note that CEO Scott Keogh said earlier in the day, in the really well-done speech that impressed many journalists, that “Our customers will never become our products,” so Scout apparently isn’t planning on selling customer data).
As you can see, Scout anticipates higher returns for its company (and also promises lower prices for the consumer, though I’d be surprised) by going direct-to-consumer; it says this setup allows for more nimbleness compared to a dealer model — the ability to scale back or crank up volume more quickly in certain markets.
What’s more, Scout says a model in which it is interacting directly with consumers — and not through dealers — lets the company more easily launch targeted incentive programs based on where vehicle sales are succeeding and where they are falling short. Plus, Scout says it can understand the vehicle weaknesses better in different markets, it no longer has to worry about vehicles being offered with options that consumers don’t want, and what’s more, Scout says it expects a reduction in warranty expenses. (I later asked about how this model could reduce warrant expenses, and the answer, as I understood is, is that it comes down to having more granular data; you can know things like the training level of techs in certain regions, you can make sure parts are located near where they’re most needed, etc.)
You’ll see on this slide that Scout mentions a 50% reduced cost of retail operations as a result of this direct-sales model:
Scout Says Dealers Aren’t Enthusiastic Enough About EVs
This next slide is an interesting one. Scout said that, when it comes to launching a new brand and network, you need full engagement and enthusiasm. Apparently, there’s not enough of that going around, because — per this slide below — 81 percent of dealers don’t have EVs for sale and 50 percent of those said “they wouldn’t sell EVs regardless of inventory availability.”
Scout says its model will ensure that customer-facing representatives are all on the same company page.
This next slide is about transparent pricing. Scout mentioned how “Auto Buying is slow and cumbersome,” noting that it typically takes 13 hours and 31 minutes to buy a car these days. I’ve seen similar figures from Cox Automotive, though the number appears to include shopping. Scout’s point, I suppose, is that you won’t have to shop around, since you’ll have one simple price without hidden fees/markups, and you’ll just buy online, quickly and easily.
Scout Says Dealerships Have Broken Trust, Aren’t The #1 Go-To For Service
The next point Scout made was that dealerships have broken consumers’ trust. “Only 8 percent of consumers say they have high or very high trust in car dealers,” Thacker said, pointing to tens of thousands of FTC complaints.
One thing Scout’s VP of Growth mentioned is that Scout thinks Americans find buying and servicing their cars frustrating, noting that 31 percent of people prefer to have their cars serviced at their dealer, with more preferring independent shops. Thacker doesn’t think this should be the case. The dealer, Scout believes, should be most people’s number 1 choice.
Not Dealerships, But Studios And Workshops
The next part of the presentation was called “National Presence,” and it was about Scout building studios and workshops around the country, with an emphasis on service at the workshops.
You’ll notice that Scout plans for a quarter of all service requests to be fulfilled by “Scout Mobile Service Units” that will actually drive to the customer instead of the other way around.
Here’s a look at Scout “rooftops” planned between 2027 and 2032. Scout also says it expects 85 percent of Scout owners to be within 200 miles of one of these rooftops:
Scout then went on to show us what the actual physical Scout locations will look like.
Scout Studios
First, there’s the Scout Studio. It includes product displays and allows customers to make reservations on-site. Scout has already built a pilot studio, which focuses on the history of the Scout brand:
In the future, Scout Studios will display vehicles and accessories.
Scout Workshops
Then there are Scout Workshops. 80 percent of the workshop floor space will be work stalls for repair, with 20 percent being for customers, sales advisors, and service advisors.
Scout emphasized radical transparency, saying customers will be “located very close to [their] vehicle,” which is more appealing now that service for an electric vehicle is a fairly clean process compared with service for ICE-powered vehicles.
Scout Experience Center
The third physical Scout location is the “Scout Experience Center.” It’s not clear how many of these will exist, but there will at least be one at the factory in Blythewood, South Carolina.
The Scout Experience Center will offer sales and service support, with products displayed prominently. Scout plans to offer a factory delivery program, as well as an “off-road driving experience.”
The inside will be community-focused and comfortable, Scout said, showing this rendering:
How To Buy And Fix A Car Through Scout’s App
Scout says it’s sales and service model is “digital first,” so Stewart Dixon, Senior Director, Digital Product Management at Scout Motors, walked us through what Scout ownership should look like from the customer’s perspective.
Here’s a chart showing the interaction between the digital and physical. You’ll be able to configure the car online, but you can test drive it in person. You’ll go through an onboarding and checkout process (which goes through all the financing terms), and then you’ll take delivery in person. If you need service, you can make appointments via an app before bringing the car in (or having a mobile service unit arrive). You can also buy accessories online, make referrals (a la Tesla), while hanging out at Scout locations to make friends:
Dixon showed an example of how someone might schedule a service appointment via a digital assistant named Dean.
Notice how the digital assistant has already communicated with the vehicle to get some baseline information prior to talking with the owner:
The assistant gives the owner options to choose to attempt to diagnose the issue:
It even suggests a few solutions:
Here the digital assistant has diagnosed the issue as a window regulator failure:
And here the app gives the owner a repair estimate, an option for other overdue repairs, and the option to schedule a repair from a Mobile Service Workshop:
Here you can see when the mobile technician will arrive:
And here’s how payment happens after the repair has been completed:
How It All Comes Together
Here you can see how the Scout Digital Platform interacts with every element of Scout ownership:
And here Scout showed its service capacity, with a 136 percent compound annual growth rate between 2027 and 2032 (if I understand this right, that’s how much, on average, the service capacity is growing each year):
Bringing all this in-house, Scout says, will allow the company to share service information across all service centers. Scout thinks this could help it predict repairs, using a combination of the customer’s concern, a deep vehicle history, and a deep service history to determine what’s wrong.
You can see above that Scout anticipates that 80 percent of all repair types will be able to be done by a mobile service unit.
Here’s a breakdown of Scout warranty coverage, in case you’re interested:
And here’s Scout’s final slide on its sales/service model:
Here’s the short of the presentation:
- Scout says a direct-sales model allows it to offer a more unified brand and marketing experience marked by a “universal, consistent, high-quality customer experience.” In addition, this allows Scout “full visibility into demand tunnel.”
- The customer gets a “fast, easy, predictable buying experience” with price transparency, but still the option for local demos and product consultation.
- Scout’s locations will employ people who are excited about the product, with “full focus, enthusiasm, and expertise.” Those locations will be “right-sized [and]…highly flexible.”
- Scout says offering sales and service in-house offers cost efficiency
- Servicing will be scheduled quickly utilizing AI and OTA updates
- A single app will connect sales/service/other elements of the customer experience.
- There will be various studios for sales/demos, workshops for repairs, and availability for mobile service.
The best way to summarize it all is probably this quote by CEO Scott Keogh, as noted by Reuters:
“I think it’s critical moving into the future in unstable environments to control your customer, control your margin, control your operational excellence,” Keogh said, referring to the direct sales plan.”
There’s obviously a lot more to learn about how all this will work, especially given restrictions in certain states that ban direct-sales. Plus there’s that crazy TZEV warranty that CARB states require — is Scout ready to commit to 15 years, 150,000 miles? VW dealers aren’t thrilled to see any of this, so we’ll see how it plays out.
Top graphic images: Scout Motors; Used Cars via YouTube
I have to be honest- i didnt even read halfway through. Too many dumb things that are easily proven wrong.
I hope they succeed but it’s going to be a rough road if they keep running into their self induced problems
“360-degree view of the customer.”
Only if they’re hot girls!
Scout: Let’s connect directly with the customer!
Scout: Creates a chatbot to talk with customers and make service recommendations and appointments.
Chatbots have their place but if you want to build a real connection with the customer you gotta have a concierge-like level of service. That would actually be a differentiation factor for a vehicle that is competing with mainstream brands. It would give it closer to a Lexus/Genesis level of engagement.
Noooooo.They’ll have chatbots? I must confess i didnt read the whole article.
Some of the worst experiences in my life were due to chatbots.No i’m not kidding.There’s something particularly infuriating about being blocked by childishly bad technology while the assholes behind it hide from you.
I can just imagine someone broken down somewhere,their car refusing to work and the owner cycling through a reset procedure for the 15th time because there are no other options.They tried to phone the company only to be diverted to a chatbot,also on endless cycles.I’d be ready to kill someone
How much time do they think people spend comparing dealers? Most of my car shopping is spent determining exactly what I want. Once that decision is made the rest of the process happens in under an hour or I walk. Sure, I’d love to not have to deal with the smarmy F&I guy who gets low-key insulting after you decline the extended warranty (after he tells you all the stuff that is definitely going to break on your brand new vehicle), but these numbers are worse than useless as far as showing how this improves the buying process.
And those screenshots of the digital assistant are a techno-dystopian nightmare. *shudder* The desire to cut humans out of as many processes as possible and damn the consequences is going to be the thing that destroys civilization.
As noted not all states allow direct to customer sales. I am sure VW will get around this by designating their existing VW network in that state as the receiving dealership. The VW dealer is also likely to be where the majority of Scout service is done. Mobile units sound great but you still need repair shop infrastructure for any repair requiring a lift.
Im sure the technicians will very much appreciate the fact that the car they just got assigned to work on was previously diagnosed by an app. And the customer will apparently be watching them work on it. Have fun hiring!
For as much as this website is going bananas for this company based on nothing more than a couple of prototypes and a Powerpoint presentation, I remain extremely skeptical that they will be around in the next 10 years. These things still have VW roots, and will likely suffer from VW quality issues, so these service centers will likely be slammed constantly. That’s also to say nothing of the hassle it’s going to be for rural-based customers to get their trucks serviced, and also, let us not forget that VW is currently on very thin ice financially. They’re talking about launching an entirely new company here, PLUS building tons of service centers, experience centers, whatever. I just don’t have any faith that this will be a success, and people are going to be stuck with an awful lot of $70k paperweights once VW pulls the plug in 2030 because they’re on the verge of bankruptcy.
If I were to guess, despite these lofty ideas, the reality will be that VW will punt on this whole thing pretty quickly. Especially with all this talk of pain within VW regarding the whole organization’s future.
The cost of new infrastructure, the cost of fighting the VW dealer network. No one is going to want to pay for this. They’ll decide to say screw it and basically make it the VW Scout.
Once it is revealed that the range extender version will sticker for closer to $100k, and the dealers get their chance to destroy customer excitement with their usual nonsense, it’ll be another blip like the ID Buzz.
My guess is that they end up rolling this in to their existing dealer network. They may even try to keep the direct sales model, but existing VW dealers get paid to open little “boutiques” or whatever within their showrooms and they’ll also service the trucks. This whole thing is way too ambitious given VW’s current state.
Alternatively, VW could try to IPO it to raise cash.
I live in Maine and if I bought a Rivian I would have to tow it to Boston for repairs. None of these boutique brands will ever make it outside of large metro areas. I’m not complaining, it’s just a fact that it makes no financial sense to serve unpopulated backwaters.
To be clear, we’re not going nuts over the company, we just like the Traveler concept. It’s an awesome idea.
Also, I don’t quite agree with: “These things still have VW roots, and will likely suffer from VW quality issues.” 1. These cars are enginered in Detroit. 2. EVs are fundamentally different than gas cars, and given the relative simplicity of EVs and 3. the use of common suppliers, we have no reason to believe Scout EVs will be significantly worse than the competitive set, especially if the company can get its software in order.
I get that some folks might have been done dirty by VW engineering over the years, but to say “VW gas cars sucked, therefore its subsidiary’s EVs will suck” doesn’t quite seem fair.
Good measured reply David.
Do you know of any examples of a legacy auto maker that started a (for the most part) EV based auto brand and also went with a different 2nd tier supplier base instead of engineering the product for the new brand around the constraints of the parent company’s existing suppliers?
I’m genuinely curious bc I can’t think of any.
Polestar and Zeeker maybe? Both are tricky bc really Geely is the parent company and the legacy brand Volvo is more like a sister brand…
Watching predominantly Munroe & Associates ev tear down videos, legacy one of the largest constructive criticisms has been the legacy company reusing ice parts in the ev, heating & cooling components definitely come to mind…
I will sooner buy every bridge for sale than believe a single company that says this, since they all end up liars eventually.
Selling customer data is pure profit and that is hard for bean counters to resist. Of course Vizio TV’s are cheaper than Samsungs, LG’s, or Sonys, they reported a 2% negative margin on hardware. They were making them and selling them at a loss because the margin on selling viewer data is so high it more than made up for it. Walmart snapped up the company last year.
The irony of them stating that parts like window regulators will come from the VW group, then using window regulators as a warranty claim issue in their service PowerPoint is comedy GOLD.
Username checks out.
The ChatGPT-mechanic idea is a bit far-fetched, but I’m curious to see how it works out. Definetly taking everything in this presentation with a grain of salt, though. Too many big promises IMO.
It’s amazing what people will believe / accept when presented via PowerPoint.
I credit VW for thinking way into the future. But they will face headwinds. Hope they can stay the course.
GM is relying a lot on OnStar to fix infotainment issues related to the software to diagnose before heading out to the dealership. They are useless, good luck trying to get a hold from someone and the whole process will take hours. Then you go to the dealer and cannot replicate the issue.
I like the idea of having digital support but if its going to be like OnStar, I dont want to even bother with the idea.
I wonder if Volkswagen plans on selling these in its homeland of Germany?
This model, if fully realized, resonates for me. In summer 2022, I needed a new car, so in August, I went on Audi USA and configured an A6 Allroad. (I would have gotten the regular Avant had that been an option.) I reached out to the two local dealerships for who handled online orders; the Bellevue dealership dropped the ball, the Seattle dealership was highly responsive.
I emailed them my saved configuration from the website, gave them the very reasonable deposit amount, and they told me that production was going to take *forever and a day*, plus that car is actually made in Germany not a North American plant so also, transportation was gonna take a while. I appreciated their honesty; this was knee deep in supply chain, chip, global transport snafus timeframe, so all good. I understood, and they heavily emphasized the timeframe would be 6 plus months.
March 2023, so 8 months later, they emailed me, I came down, car was the website published price plus a $700 destination fee, and I was in and out in an hour (most of which was them trying to make sure I could operate the car and give them a 5 on the inevitable survey.)
The process was very lengthy (in terms of the lag between order and delivery), but I had a working car in the meantime, so I wasn’t troubled. My total invested time in ordering the car was under a couple hours. (Research time doesn’t really count, as it overlapped with my personal predilection for reading things like, er, car blogs.)
I do realize frequently people need immediate access to a vehicle, so this delivery channel may not work for them, but I also feel there are significant volumes in markets segments for who the answer to the question, “Would you be willing to wait 6 months for a car in return for having perfect pricing transparency and access to a total punchlist of desired features outside of bullshit option package tiers?” is “100% yes”. (Plus, no bullshit dealership interactions, no 4+ hour purchase process, etc.)
It’d be nice if you could rely on this experience anywhere. I’d certainly expect that from a “luxury car” dealer like Audi.
I bought a Toyota years ago that was easy. I agreed on a price via email for a car they had in stock. Set up a time to go buy it/pick it up. I went down to buy it and it was no BS. The car we talked about was actually there. The paperwork was prepared and the price was still what we agreed on. I had my own financing at a rate they admitted they wouldn’t be able to beat. Didn’t even pitch me the extended warranty or TruCoat. I was out of there in 45 minutes, and that included them going over some basic car setup stuff.
Unfortunately that dealer seems to have new ownership/management these days. They try to stick you with a “paint/wheel warranty” on every car these days. So back to dealer roulette with these guys.
Yeah, agreed, this model as it exists now, is highly marque and individual dealer dependent (in addition to the previously mentioned “time-to-delivery” issues.
That being said, I would think intelligent dealerships would build out/leverage this delivery channel, because my first stop in 5-6 years will be that same dealership, because of how smooth the transaction was.
Not sure how the service or trying the vehicle on for size will work. I live in a rural area in Canada. They are ‘promising’ 7 – SEVEN! Locations in the entire country by 2032? They are going to come out to my rural property and service the vehicle in hella below January on my gravel drive? Whats the solution if the system misdiagnosed the problem and the parts are not on the service truck? Where do I take the damn thing if they want it in the service center? Do I wait? Are they providing shuttles, rentals, airbnb?
All great in theory, but a lot short on many real world cases.
Good luck Scout.
How many VW dealers are there in Canada?
“All great in theory, but a lot short on many real world cases.”
I disagree. Any business that is opening/expanding looks for the highest marginal return to their input. In this case, getting 85% of people within 200 miles isn’t bad.
I just don’t see that as ‘a lot short on many real world cases.’ I get that people live in rural places, but they would also need to drive some distance for their Ford, Chevy, Case, or JD. Putting the entire of North America within 200 miles is going to cost more than 15% more. Depending on what that curve looks like, it could be considerable more.
I think it is a decent plan for a company that wants to maximize value inside its footprint.
People who live in dense urban areas aren’t the ones who buy vehicles like this. Just look at David’s post from yesterday – he’s the biggest fanboy of this company in existence and even he admits it’s not a good fit for an urban environment.
Also, I’m not sure you understand how many rural car dealers there are. I got stranded in the middle of South Dakota this summer and there was a dealer within 10 miles. If I’d been in a Scout I’d have been screwed. Yes, rural people tend to drive further for service, but it’s generally not 3+ hours one way.
1300 service bays sounds great but that’s 26 per state. In an average sized state like Washington, Oregon, Colorado, etc that means 2-3 total service locations per state.
Quality better be job 1, 2 and 3 because the 28 techs per state are gonna be real busy and customers are going to be driving 100s of miles to a service appointment.
Those 3 states also suffer from humongous geographical barriers to ease of transport as well. I can imagine those Scout service technicians wouldn’t be real happy having to dispatch from Seattle to reach me on the Olympic Peninsula…