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Here’s The Engineering Behind Jeff Bezos’ $20K Slate EV

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I just looked at the new Slate electric truck — funded, in part, by Amazon’s Jeff Bezos — and I had a chance to chat with the new company’s head of engineering, Eric Keipper. Here’s everything I learned about the engineering behind this truck.

At the Slate event yesterday I had the chance to slide underneath a few prototype trucks to look at some hardware, so we’re going to have to start with the hardware and then circle back to my chat with Mr. Keipper. Let’s start broad and go into detail thereafter.

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The Slate truck is built on a bespoke chassis the company refers to as the “Slateboard.” I was told this is sort of a hybrid between a unibody and a body-on-frame vehicle (more on that in my interview below), which makes me think of the Jeep Cherokee XJ and its “uniframe” construction consisting of two U-shaped unibody “rails” to which the floorboards are all welded; it also reminds me of the Rivian R1T, which also has a body welded to a pseudo-frame. I don’t have any great underbody photos of the body-in-white, but Slate did show a side image of this in its introductory video:

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The body is made of steel (overall vehicle curb weight is 3,602 pounds), with colors in the CAD below presumably denoting different materials/material grades:

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It’s an interesting design; you can see that there’s really limited space to package the battery (which, per Wired, uses nickel-manganese-cobalt chemistry from Korean company SK-On), as the wheelbase is quite short and that solid rear axle (more on that soon) pretty much takes up the whole back section of the truck.

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Check out how pronounced that battery pack area is on the side of the truck, at least on the beta prototypes:

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Speaking of the back section of the truck, look at the CAD image above and you can imagine that trying to keep that section nice and rigid probably isn’t exactly trivial, as that bed — which has no permanent top to help resist forces being imparted on it — probably wants to bend and twist.

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You can bet that the joint between the bed and cab is a highly-engineered part of the truck, just as it was on the second-gen Honda Ridgeline (which required quite an interesting adhesive/bolted joint in order to delete the original’s “sail panels”). For fun, here’s that second-gen Ridgeline; you can see some of the same general shapes in the bedside:

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As for the roll bar that’s bolted on by the customer when they convert the Slate from a truck into an SUV, it’s a stamped steel, with fasteners on the B-pillar, bedside, and bed floor (note, there will be trim covering this on production models):

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It’s worth pointing out that, per whisperings at the media event, installing the roll bar and rear seats also involves the user plugging in airbags, which seems like a bad idea, except apparently there are system-checks in place to make it foolproof. I’ll have to ask Slate a bit more about this.

Speaking of airbags, Slate showed some fun crash test simulation imagery, though this is the best shot I got:

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And here’s a photo of some real-world testing:

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Slate says the truck is “Designed to achieve the highest safety ratings” and comes standard with Active Emergency Braking, Forward Collision Warning, and up to eight airbags.

Oh, and before we move on from the body, here’s a photo of the tailgate structure behind the skin:

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The suspension is a MacPherson strut up front and a five-link DeDion tube in the back.

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Here’s a look at the front suspension hardware under the prototype trucks, starting with this strut nestled nicely inside a plastic wheel-liner:

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This shot shows the sway bar and outer tie-rod-end going to the cast aluminum rack-and-pinion steering:

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Speaking of, you can get a decent look at that rack here:

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Disc brakes stop each front wheel; the lower control arm appears to be stamped steel, and it appears to mount to a stamped steel subframe on the inboard end and a cast iron knuckle outboard (note; the sway bar link appears to be disconnected from this vehicle):

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Here’s a look at the front suspension from a different angle (looking forward from just under the passenger’s door). No, I’m not entirely sure what’s up with that stainless steel brake hose, but remember these are prototype vehicles:

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And here are a few blurry shots showing the front suspension from behind the front axle pointing towards the front of the vehicle:

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Let’s move on to the rear suspension, which is more interesting than a MacPherson strut that you’re all used to seeing on pretty much all economy cars — back here we have a DeDion tube axle!

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A DeDion tube is a great rear suspension for the Slate, as it allows for the use of a rigid axle (which is cheap, easy, and strong) without having to bolt the differential to the actual axle (which would yield lots of extra unsprung mass).

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Here you can see how the 150 kW (201 hp) electric drive unit/transmission/differential is mounted to the chassis just ahead of the DeDion Tube (the architecture package-protects for a front-motor should an AWD be offered later), which itself features a track bar going laterally, two trailing arms, and two upper control arms:

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Here you get a great shot of those stamped steel trailing arms and of the disc brakes and coil springs:

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Here are a few more angles:

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That’s about all I could get hardware-wise from the press event. I do want to point a few other fun things out; see the opening for the rear window? Well, that glass can pop up!

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And it’s the very same glass that gets re-installed onto either fiberglass SUV “topper”:

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I’d also like to point out that it appears that Slate has been using modified Mahindra Roxors as test-vehicles:

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Anyway, let’s get to my interview with Head of Engineering Eric Keipper, who used to work at Fiat Chrysler back when I was there. This will be a bit of a “live blog-style” interview for time-reasons.

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Quick Interview With The Head Of Engineering

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Eric Keipper, Slate’s head of engineering, is on the right

I chatted with Slate’s Head of Engineering Eric Keipper, “Employee No. 3,” to learn how the company got started, and what the directive was when things started in late 2022.

Amazon Influence, And The Goal Of Building An Affordable Vehicle

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“We want to build an affordable vehicle,” Keipper told me about what the initial brief was when he hired on 2.5 years ago.

When I asked about functional objectives,  he said those were up to the team to develop. “So right out of the box we had literally a whiteboard and nothing,” Keipper told me. “We started with a a narrative that kind of outlined the vision of the vehicle. Through that narrative and that vision, we started to develop the bill of materials, costs, the architecture, the content that we wanted in it, and then started to figure out like what kind of suspension do we want…what kind of horsepower do we think this thing’s got to have, where’s the battery gonna go?”

“We really started to piece together what the vehicle would then become and did really a multitude of studies to start to narrow the scope.”

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I asked where that narrative came from, and Slate’s comm’s representative chimed in: “People at Re:Build Manufacturing offered us some seed money to get started.”

“Our founders put us in place with a little bit of seed money and the vision of the vehicle, so [the narrative] came from our founders, and that, so we use the the Amazon Working Backwards principles,” Keipper continued. This is interesting because I knew Slate’s main investors were included Bezos Expeditions and General Catalyst, but I wasn’t sure just how “Amazon” the organization actually is. Apparently Slate is using some Amazon processes, including “Working Backwards,” which Amazon describes thusly:

Most of Amazon’s major products and initiatives since 2004 have one very Amazonian thing in common—they were created through a process called Working Backwards. It is so central to the company’s success that we used it as the title for our book. Working Backwards is a systematic way to vet ideas and create new products. Its key tenet is to start by defining the customer experience, then iteratively work backwards from that point until the team achieves clarity of thought around what to build. Its principal tool is a second form of written narrative called the PR/FAQ, short for press release/frequently asked questions.

We both witnessed its birth. [Former Amazon employee] Colin [Bryar] was in his tenure as Jeff’s shadow when the Working Backwards process was launched and he participated in every Working Backwards review presented to Jeff in the twelve months thereafter. And Bill’s experience was forged by applying and refining the Working Backwards concept in the early stages of the process that led to the development of every digital media product.

“With this PRFAQ you actually take the product vision and put it in the marketplace out in time and then work backwards to basically where you are today and figure out how to work up that ladder…we had nothing, so having that vision in place…of the product and what it would look like at launch…it gives us a little bit of a feel for the type of brand we wanted to become, the type of product we wanted to have.”

“Yeah, yeah, so the vision itself was actually pretty narrow. It was a back to basics, only the essentials, truck, and the, the narrative did outline like low-cost solutions for suspensions and, you know, minimal sized battery that gets 150 miles of range, and to the point that…the things that are in the truck are only there as required to propel the vehicle and and offer it as transportation, but then, you know, we will offer an accessories portfolio around the vehicle such the customers can add those over time.”

“The vision even included composite exteriors so that we don’t have to spin up a paint job…that was right there up front.”

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As for the 150-mile range, that wasn’t exactly specified in the beginning. “We ended up putting that range figure together, but the vision of a minimal sized battery that allows us to optimize for the customer’s commuting needs [was there at the beginning].”

Slate Looked At Suspensions In Cars From The 1960s and 70s, Considered an eAxle

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“I think in the original it has slightly different suspension characteristics to it, but we over studies put a McPherson’s struck in place and up front and then we put a DeDion rear axle in the rear that ended up being the best solutions for the truck for us.”

“So, essentially looking at what a low-cost solution would be back to…some of the ideas in the original PRFAQ were: Take us back to basics, only the essentials from vehicles like those in the, say the ’60s and 70s, so if you can imagine any of the like beam axles or others… it’s taking us back to a time where there was infotainment where there was no, you know, crazy gadgets and advanced driving, etc.”

“We did actually search the market for a beam axle that is, an E-beam, such that, you know, it would allow us to have the motor on a beam axle. In our class of vehicle, it just wasn’t available at the time. So, the next evolution that we went through was looking at, you know, independent rear suspension versus, you know, something like like the Dion, axle where we would be able to source a motor and attach it…Having the DeDion axle just made the most sense from a capabilities perspective, but then also, you know, having that low cost solution that will allow our ride handling requirements to be there as well as the towing requirements, etc. So, so that’s really we we did a full deep dive and full decision matrix work as you would expect out of engineers that are doing architectural development.”

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The Unibody(ish) ‘Slate Board’

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“We named it the Slate Board because, when you look at a body in white, it’s, we started with a frame, architecture, and because it was gonna be a truck, we said it’s gotta have a frame, but then we started looking at efficient design and it really morphs itself into a proper body in white that wraps itself around the battery such that you have the battery below the floor and, and so that that frame ended up morphing itself into a unibody, but it’s it’s closer to a unibody, but we know that there’s nothing in the market that a single body allows for both the truck and the SUV without a single component being changed, so we have the ability to take the backlash and the partition out of the truck. That back gets reuse, bring the SUV components to the truck, and you can upfit to a 5 passenger two door SUV from the same exact body-in-white that you had at the truck that you purchased from the assembly plant.”

“Being able to then also have multiple battery packs that could end up underneath it where we’ve got the extended range and the standard range battery pack, so between the truck, the SUV, and different battery packs, all with the same Slate Board, that really is, you know, one of the unique things that we’re excited for customers to, to take and make their own.”

“If you were to look at it with even the trained eye, you’re gonna say it’s a unibody…as the  rails in the front head towards the front of dash then they dive around the vehicle to be essentially the sill on the outside of the on the outside of the battery…we studied obviously where to put the rails up front for to achieve our targeted US NCAP 5 star, as well as our targeted IIHS top safety pick…that really, that really guided us with where to put the rails and then, from a side impact perspective, it tells us where to, where to put the rails on the outboard side of the battery and what the what the thickness has to be, what the material has to be, and we took the right material in the right place approach, and so we, we’ve done multiple rounds of optimization, making sure that we’re optimizing the body structure to meet, you know, the body bending and torsion requirements, but also protecting the occupants, protecting the battery and making sure that we meet, you know, the right handling targets, the durability targets, the, and of course the safety targets.”

The Slate Was Only Ever An EV

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When I asked if there was ever a Slate Concept that incorporated any other powertrain,” Keipper replied: “Literally the first drawing that I put on the the whiteboard was how we were going to configure the battery. So this has always been a battery electric. “That…. in and of itself was not a directive, but it’s something that, you know, if you’re going to bring a new car to market today,…, it’s gonna be electric. They’re more efficient, there’s more torque, the performance is better, it’s just, it’s the right solution…charging is now, you know, infinitely easy. You can charge overnight, even on a 110 outlet.”

“To meet your commuting needs, chargers are very available, you know, in and around town as well as the ability to put one at your house… I think the learning curve that people have had to go up regarding charging is, is at that inflection point, and I think folks are starting to get an understanding of it, and we don’t see that as a detriment anymore.”

I asked about range extenders, and Keipper told me: “Yeah, it’s, it’s not a consideration for us at this time and so we’re not studying it.”

Reductive Design: Making Many Parts One Part

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I asked Keipper about ways the company saved money beyond the obvious ones like the lack of paint. “We literally questioned everything. And the things that did make it into the vehicle, we think need to be there for  good means of transportation, a good customer experience, and a safe, reliable vehicle…So things like remote keyless entry…cruise control, those are there because we really think they’re key attributes that the customers really want.”

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“We spent an enormous amount of time talking about reductive design and basically how can we take, you know, five parts and make it to two or how can we take three parts and make it into one. So our entire dashboard, you know, the first concept that we had, I think it had like 40 components or something, and we, we literally cut it in half.”

“Our interior team and our interior design team, you know, worked hand in hand and figured out how do we through reductive design, minimize the overall cost and complexity such that we can put it together easily, but it still meets the customer’s needs. It’s gorgeous, but really focused on minimizing the number of parts. We did the same with the door panels. We’re doing the same with the body in white. We did the same with the front rails. We’ve done that continuously throughout. So the idea of reductive design is something that the culture in the company has really grabbed hold of and is allowing us to be successful.”

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“One of the, great question, one of the things that we do think that is different about Slate and the reason that we’re gonna be successful is our, our very specific focus on getting this one thing right. And so the entire organization, the entire company is focused on getting the truck and the accessory of the SUV in a rear wheel drive, you know, standard and extended range, Situation in in those configurations to launch, right? So we are, we are uniquely focused on getting that, not to say that we haven’t had some product planning meetings of, OK, what is next and working on how we, how we steer the company at that point in time when we’re ready to do so, but the, the company really right now is focused 100% on, on making sure that we get to launch with the truck and the SUV.”

It’s A Fascinating Machine

In short, Keipper said the directive from day one was to make a “reliable, durable, low-cost transportation [for] the masses,” and I think Slate has done it. It’s clear based on my quick look at the truck’s engineering that it will be, without question, one of the least mechanically complex high-volume vehicle offered in the US in a century. And as a diehard wrencher who enjoys likes maintaining suspensions and driveline bits but hates having to fix powertrains, the whole concept is music to my ears.

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Shawn Bailey
Shawn Bailey
2 hours ago

The more I look at this, the more I’m intrigued. I even built a little orange fastback guy on their site and kitted it out with some gear for road-tripping. If I weren’t just a few months away from paying off my FJ (bought in 2021 because my ex and I were getting a travel trailer and I always regretted getting rid of my first one), I’d seriously be considering this. Like, if I were driving the Accord I got rid of in 2021, I’d be lining up for this. I love the smallness and since most of my driving is within the city, and even on road-trips I do my best to limit my daily travel to under 200 miles, I could really make this thing work. Hate the Amazon of it all, but this could solve 95% of people’s needs in the US and that is pretty awesome.

Adam Al-Asmar
Adam Al-Asmar
7 hours ago

I very much love this class of EV.

I placed a reservation for the Rivian R2 the day it became available, perfectly suited for our one-child, two adult family with the occasional visitor.

I placed a reservation for this Slate once they became available as well- perfectly suited for homeownership/renovation projects.

These fall directly into the category of ‘vehicle’ for my family and they’re perfect.

I’ve got a modified X5d as a fun daily and an e30 cabrio for all my stupid car guy ideas.

I’m hoping these EVs will fit the slot of ‘daily wear khakis’ where my X5 is a doc marten combat boot (sneaker-esque but still utilitarian) and my e30 is a sort of broken down worn out pair of chucks that i refuse to give up cuz they fit like home

I do hope the price stays stable, I’m not hopeful that the R2 stays at its $45k target by the time they start delivering to us not-rich people

Last edited 7 hours ago by Adam Al-Asmar
Duane Cannon
Duane Cannon
12 hours ago

It’s years from actual production and it won’t be 20K. Curb your enthusiasm until they become a reality.

Davelovestesla
Davelovestesla
12 hours ago

Writer worries about owners installing own airbags while the author has gleefully bragged about his own decrepit unsafe vehicles polluting the air and ground

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
10 hours ago
Reply to  Davelovestesla

Lol. Yeah, I’m a little confused about the worry of plugging something in…The computer will know…

Boxing Pistons
Boxing Pistons
5 hours ago
Reply to  David Tracy

I am very interested as well. Maybe it just straight-up won’t operate without those connections? Or somehow make it so you physically cannot bolt the structure in without plugging those in? Maybe some circuit gets completed when you add the first bolt for the roll bar that instructs the computer to look for airbag connections before allowing it to operate? Not sure how that would work. I just think about how we safeguard equipment in the factories I have worked in with interlocks..

Timbales
Timbales
12 hours ago

I may be mistaken, but it doesn’t look like there’s a defroster on the rear window.

M Wilkins
M Wilkins
12 hours ago

How long before people install the rear seats without putting on the SUV roof?

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
12 hours ago
Reply to  M Wilkins

Day one, presumably.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
10 hours ago
Reply to  M Wilkins

I’m pretty sure they show a spec like that on their site.

I’m trying
I’m trying
14 hours ago

There are place where something like this will just work.

I live in an older working class neighborhood with 28 single family homes on my street with either garages or carports. From my front door I can see 4 dailydriver single cab rangers. 1 regular cab Tacoma. 2 regular cab s-10s 2 extended cab rangers and an extended cab s-10. And 2 regular cab f150s. These are all short trip commuters. Our two biggest employers are less than 8 miles away. The next door neighbors ranger was purchased new in 2004. It has 68,000 miles on it.

Boxing Pistons
Boxing Pistons
5 hours ago
Reply to  I’m trying

The people with the Ranger could darn-near raise enough money for this little guy if they sold that Ranger! Low-mileage examples are going for stupid money these days!

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
1 day ago

If they could chop a hole in the roof over the front seats, that would drive more interest. Plus daylight over the rear passengers. That would steal Wrangler sales.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago

FWIW the factory is rumored to be the defunct RR Donnelly printing plant in Warsaw Indiana (roughly equidistant from Chicagoland, South Bend, and Fort Wayne). Have seen zero info about state incentives. 65 yrs old, 1.4 million sf.

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Younork
Younork
1 day ago

I’m really excited for this vehicle. I did some napkin math, and running this on my ~$.018/kwh home electric is a little more than one half the cost of running my 38 mpg ICE econobox. I wonder how many potential buyers will do the math and factor in total cost of ownership over the life of the vehicle, or if they’ll get hung up on the initial purchase price. Even without incentives, the price is fairly competitive when you factor in energy cost and (presumably) lower maintenance costs. Plus, this thing is just plain cool: boxy, utilitarian, two-door…

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
15 hours ago
Reply to  Younork

How much do you pay for gas?

I like to use Fueleconomy.gov for this sort of thing. They have a handy cost estimator to apply to a library of vehicles and often vehicles from that library can be used as models for the hypothetical ones in question.

In this case the 2014 PHEV Ford Fusion Energi is a good model since it is rated at the same 38 mpg as your econobox and the EV performance of the Ford is 37 kWh/100mi which is very close to the 38.7 kWh/100 mi derived from the 150 mile range on the 58kWh battery of the Slate.

Plugging in $0.18/kWh I get a cost equivalency of $2.55/gal so you’d have to be paying about $5/gal regular for your half the price napkin math to work.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=34089&#tab1

The average cost of a gallon of regular this week is $3.15/gal. Even here in the SFBA I can find regular for about $4.20/gal. Some parts of the country are a lot closer to that $2.55/gal.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/?Country=US

And of course that fluctuates. A lot.

If you only charged at home you’d save some money. Away from home the math changes a bit:

https://gasprices.aaa.com/ev-charging-prices/

Average EV charging prices are $0.346/kWh which again using the Fusion as a model works out to a gas price equivalency of $4.90/gal. Again you might still come out ahead but maybe not.

Whether the savings are worth replacing your econobox with this truck with its purchase costs, potentially higher insurance costs and few creature comforts is TBD. In any case I’d say temper your expectations till you are able to get a better picture of all the costs involved. There is also the question of charger efficiency. Charging at home costs might be higher than you think.

Younork
Younork
16 minutes ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I redid my math and came up with a number much closer to yours, somewhere along the way, I must have fat fingered an input. Thanks for the reality check. I guess I’ll keep shopping for hybrids.

Weston
Weston
1 day ago

I saw a full blown TV commercial for this thing on Saturday and was a little shocked. As if it was real and not 10 years away….

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Weston

Yah, I saw a commercial for it on Youtube already too. There’s enough coverage, at least some running prototypes, and money behind it… at this point, I’d be surprised if it doesn’t actually come to market in some form.

Thea Utopian
Thea Utopian
1 day ago

Very enticing new vehicle. Does anybody know who is behind this? Has to be a lot of money that went into the development. Will it come to Europe?

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Thea Utopian

Jeff Bezos (of Amazon) is among the investors. At the moment, he’s the second richest person in the world after Elon Musk according to Forbes’ real time billionaires list: https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#373f8c793d78

I haven’t heard anything yet about it being sold outside of the States, but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

Thea Utopian
Thea Utopian
1 day ago
Reply to  Scott

Thank you Scott.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Thea Utopian

My pleasure Thea. 🙂

Uninformed Fucknugget
Uninformed Fucknugget
2 days ago

“To meet your commuting needs, chargers are very available, you know, in and around town as well as the ability to put one at your house… I think the learning curve that people have had to go up regarding charging is, is at that inflection point, and I think folks are starting to get an understanding of it, and we don’t see that as a detriment anymore.”

This statement seems a bit narrow. I am the 1st person in my circle of family and friends to buy an EV eleven months ago. It was not an as easy of a transition as I thought it would be even after doing what I thought was adequate research.
There is a good possibility my 2nd EV will be a Slate.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
10 hours ago

Yeah, that quote took me aback immediately. Plenty of towns in the U.S. have 0 public chargers – made me think this guy looks around L.A. and thinks that’s how most of the country is living…

Scott
Scott
2 days ago

Thanks for this David! 🙂 I know these are early beta/prototypes, but I’m glad to see it doesn’t look too tinny/kludged under the skin (at least to my layperson’s eyes). I’m sure there are some suspension and other bits made of stampings whereas they could be heavier castings on more expensive vehicles, but for the sort of work Slates will mostly do, what’s there seems adequate.

Assuming just under $27,500. MSRP before tax credits (if any) to reach the ‘under $20K after credits’ price, I hope for Slate’s sake that the price doesn’t creep up by the time these go into production, and I hope the federal tax credits don’t vanish for Slate’s sake too, since $27,500. PLUS whatever most people are going to spend on top of that to get it the way they want (i.e.: power windows, a wrap, etc…) would then put the truck well into the $30Ks, at which point it’s less interesting and competitive.

Even if the federal tax credit hasn’t disappeared by the time these are delivered (2027ish, at the earliest?) the fact is that lots of buyers who’d want such a basic vehicle probably don’t make enough to qualify for the federal tax credit anyway (as a retiree, I include myself in that group) so the MSRP before tax credits is at least the price that lots of Slate buyers are going to have to pay for one.

Heck, I’d like to see it get CHEAPER, but that’s just me. 😉

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 day ago
Reply to  Scott

I agree. If you look at what you get with the Maverick, this thing becomes a loser pretty quickly.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

At about five thousand dollars than it cost only four years ago, the Ford Maverick isn’t quite the bargain that it was seemed originally. But that $21K base/hybrid price was effectively a work of fiction, since I couldn’t find a single dealer within two hundred miles of LA that would sell it without a massive dealer markup, thousands more in crap add-ons, or both. Which is why there isn’t an Area 51 Cyber Orange Tri-Coat Metallic XL Hybrid in my driveway as I type this, and why I won’t consider another Ford in the future (if James Fley or somebody with the surname ‘Ford’ personally offers me a deal on one, I might reconsider, but until then: nope).

Plus, if we’re talking mid-to-upper $20Ks, the Toyota Stout might be a thing if you’re not in a rush (I never am) and TBH, given a choice between the unseen/yet unsold Stout and the Ford, I’d prefer the Toytota.

As I’ve already posted, at $27K(ish) the Slate is less appealing than at “under $20K.” But it is an EV with usable (to me) range, and I don’t expect ANY EV to be the same price as a comparable ICE-powered car. Not now, and not for a while either. Batteries are expensive, whereas a four-cylinder engine isn’t that expensive to produce, especially if you’ve been making them for decades already.

Speedie-One
Speedie-One
1 day ago
Reply to  Scott

It will likely list for $27,499 which will put it just $1 below $20K. Based on how things are progressing with Trumps vindictive trash everything Biden did, whether it makes sense or not, I highly doubt the $7500 incentive will be around by the time this is being delivered. Realistically if they can bring this to market at $30K or less it will still be a winner.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedie-One

Agreed on all points. 🙂 The closer the ACTUAL price is to $20K, the more successful it’ll be. I think enough potential buyers are out there for such a basic truck, provided that it’s cheap enough… if it’s only $5K less than a base Hyundai Ionic 5 (Edmunds seems to think that they actually sell for about $36K around LA: https://www.edmunds.com/search/?key=a04ccf11-71f9-a683-6a95-283ad22d4afa&make=hyundai&model=hyundai%7Cioniq-5 ) I can’t see too many people opting for the truck when the Ionic 5 has so much more stuff/range/features and is still very practical. I think it’s the cheapest/best EV out there that’s not a Tesla.

MST3Karr
MST3Karr
2 days ago

So they had an event for journalists, highlighted the suspension with lighting, but didn’t use any ramps or mirrors so photographers basically had to crawl around on the ground? My back hurts just thinking about it.

I’m thinking this is the Johnny Longtorso of trucks- the money’s in the accessories.

Brunsworks
Brunsworks
2 days ago
Reply to  MST3Karr

The Truck that Comes in Pieces!

Let’s hope it’s not the truck That Goes to Pieces.

MST3Karr
MST3Karr
1 day ago
Reply to  Brunsworks

Yeah, we already have the Cybertruck so that niche is kinda full

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
2 days ago

My thoughts in no order whatsoever.

  1. There is no way it’s going to be 20k. Especially after all the tariffs on ‘ferin’ batteries and whatnot.
  2. I absolutely ADORE the pushback against screens and UX/UI bullshit that has become an invasive cancer on modern vehicles. It ages poorly, and isn’t future proof, as tech evolves, those cars will become obsolete more quickly than a basic vehicle, and as Torch has pointed out, we all want what we’re used to: a friggin phone. IMHO, this is the best aspect of this vehicle; pushing for using the device we already have in our pockets, that can always be upgraded, as the main tech part of the vehicle.
  3. Maybe I missed it… I know the stereo is optional, but…. is it a single DIN opening? As in the gold standard that all companies produce radios for? If so, this is GLORIOUS. I remember, back in the old times, the dodge Razor concept from 2002. The best part of this concept was that the vehicle was aimed at enthusiasts, and shipped with EMPTY 6.5″ speaker areas, and an EMPTY single din radio. The idea was that whoever buys the car, will pick and choose the stereo components they want to install. This drives down the price of the car, and allows you to use standard aftermarket stuff which is almost always better quality than OEMs will give you in the first place.
  4. I’m still confused about the DiDion axle. I think you should write an article JUST about this axle type, because I’ve never heard of it, and even after reading the wiki entry, I’m still a little confused about it.
Sam Gross
Sam Gross
2 days ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

The optional stereo is a Bluetooth speaker that hangs under the dash. Comes in “clip for a JBL speaker” and “bigger, permanently mounted speaker array”

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 day ago
Reply to  Sam Gross

That sucks. Having a volume knob is good.

Nauthiz
Nauthiz
1 day ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

You can get bluetooth controls added to the steering wheel. So that’s at least meeting folks halfway with a factory option.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Nauthiz

Yes, I saw that too… I don’t know if the little clusters of buttons that go on the steering wheel have wiring already in the steering column for power. If not, then they’re going to have to have their own little batteries, which will be not as good.

Sam Gross
Sam Gross
2 hours ago
Reply to  Scott

They do — the left side buttons (cruise control) come stock, the right side buttons (infotainment control) are an accessory.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

Yes, I’d like to see David explain DiDion axles too at some point when he has time. 🙂

Nick Thomas
Nick Thomas
2 days ago

Man, I really love the styling of this and I love the overall simplicity, but I’m not sure I’m going to bite. I have a reservation down for the Telo truck and I think that I’m maybe going to stick with that. Even if the Telo truck is a good bit more expensive (not so sure about that though, after all of the add-ons), it’s going to something that I can haul my kids around in AND still use as a truck. There are two things making me question the Telo though:1) The infotainment stuff–I really appreciate the fact that the Slate truck is just like “use whatever you have,” which means it’s never, ever going to be defunct or outdated. 2) Slate’s deep pockets–I’m afraid that Telo is going to go belly up after a few years and I’ll have an amazing truck that I have no way of repairing or getting replacement parts for. With its substantial funding, I think slate is way less likely to have this problem.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Nick Thomas

I’ve had a reservation in for the Telo truck too, despite the fact it’s probably going to cost more than I want to spend on a EV minitruck by the time it comes out. But the Slate reservation is only $50, and presumably refundable unless they totally crash and burn, so tying up $50 isn’t that big of a sacrifice if it turns out to be something you’d like when the time comes. JMHO. 🙂

PS: If Telo DID go out of business AFTER the truck is released, you can take SOME comfort in the fact that their motor, controller, and some other bits are off-the-shelf components, so it ought to be possible to get replacements down the road (albeit with some effort). I think their battery is proprietary, but maybe cells inside are also off-the-shelf… I’m not sure.

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A Reader
A Reader
2 days ago

My very first thought upon seeing this was “this is going to be the Light Phone of vehicles.” Exactly what many folks say they want. But when it comes to actually buying a Light Phone instead of a new iPhone or Android … difficult! You essentially need a “second car” of phones for payments/photos/push authorizations etc.

That said, folks are much more likely to have 2 cars than 2 phones, so I’m sticking to my thesis that this is the perfect second or third car.

Davey
Davey
2 days ago
Reply to  A Reader

I said the exact same thing! This makes a great second vehicle for all its shortcomings, but in order to be a second vehicle it needs to be affordable as such, otherwise just roll that 20 grand into buying the top level model of the vehicle you already want/have.

DMod65
DMod65
2 days ago
Reply to  A Reader

The key difference I could see here is that the Slate looks ideal for fleet use. You could easily use one of these as a basic efficient work truck.

A Reader
A Reader
1 day ago
Reply to  DMod65

Yes! Perfect for 1 or 2 person yard mtx crews with small trailer, handyman, any kind of local delivery, etc. I’ve seen local pizza delivery fleets with iMiEVs which they later upgraded to Bolts.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  A Reader

Funny that you mention that. I’m one of those weirdos who doesn’t carry around a smart phone or even a dumb/old cellphone. I’ve got an old iPhone 8 knocking around the house that a friend gave me years ago when he upgraded, but I’ve never used it for anything other than as a camera (it works good as that… nice picture quality).

However, I’ve recently been thinking that I probably should have SOME kind of phone that actually WORKS when I’m out of the house (which still has a landline btw ;-)) and I’m sort of thinking of this simple phone called the Kompakt by the Polish company Mudita. It features an E-Ink display (I like those but never had a Kindle or anything like that) and is intentionally unsuited for social media/watching videos/doomscrolling/etc…

https://mudita.com

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
2 days ago

Not to nitpick the headline but this isn’t a $20k vehicle, it’s a $27k vehicle with (currently) a $7500 government subsidy.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

You are absolutely correct Sammy. It’s probably going to MSRP for exactly $27,499. before the federal tax credit, which likely won’t exist by 2027 when Slates start shipping to customers. And even if the credit does somehow exist (hard to imagine) many people who are likely to be interested in a truck as bare-bones as the Slate likely will not be able to qualify for (get) the federal tax credit, since it’s income-based (you have to make enough income to already have to pay at least $7,500. in federal income taxes in order to be able to claim the EV tax credit/reduce the effective price of the Slate).

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
7 hours ago
Reply to  Scott

Dunno, there are a *lot* of Toyota owners that make Porsche money. Afford and willing to pay for are not the same thing, it’s going to come down to buying and ownership experience.

Scott
Scott
6 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Parker

No, of course I didn’t mean that nobody who makes enough income to pay enough taxes to qualify for the tax credit will buy a Slate… of course some will. It’s still gonna cost $20-30K or more on average, so homeless dudes aren’t likely to make up a big share of the Slate buyer demographic. So yes, some Slate buyers would qualify for the $7,500. federal tax credit, if it still exists by the time the Slate goes on sale, probably in 2027. And those buyers will effectively save $7,500. on their purchases (via reducing their taxes owed) thus ‘paying’ under $20K for their Slates.

Of course, being semi-retired myself, maybe I’m not objective, but the way the tax credit works has always been upside down for many years, in terms of incentivizing EVs. LOTS of buyers of Porsche Taycans and Teslas and Mercedes Benz and BMW expensive EVs get the government to subsidize their purchases by $7,500. (more, if there are state or local utility incentives also) while lower-income people, who actually could really use some help defraying the cost of entry level EVs often qualify for and receive no assistance at all.

But subsidizing the wealthy, and protecting their financial interests (usually in the form of maintaining the status quo re: various policies and legislation) is the American Way after all, so who am I to question it? 😉

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
6 hours ago
Reply to  Scott

Not arguing the merrits of the subsidy, or it’s potential existence going forward, pretty sure I agree with most of what you’re saying there. Only that a pretty broad swath of the market would be incentived by them.

Scott
Scott
6 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Parker

Sure, I agree: people of any/all income levels will happily accept $7,500. free from the fed govt. 🙂

M. Park Hunter
M. Park Hunter
2 days ago

I love the idea here – super simple, fixable, practical, affordable. The last might be the sticking point, though. Without the EV credit this is a $25k truck. For about $2-3k more you can buy a Maverick XL base truck that has… paint, and a radio, seating for 5, payload & towing capacity, 40mpg and 500 miles range. Hopefully economies of scale will bring the price down further, or this will suffer brown station wagon syndrome. A lot of Americans will like this truck in theory, but then pay a little extra to “supersize me” and get something nicer.

Blinkerfluid
Blinkerfluid
2 days ago
Reply to  M. Park Hunter

Slate as a company definitely has a “Maverick” problem. They are selling the stripped down, bare bones fever dream that all the grumbling enthusiasts say they want, but for not much more money Ford is selling a real truck with the functionality new car buyers expect in 2025.

Tricky Motorsports
Tricky Motorsports
2 days ago
Reply to  Blinkerfluid

Maybe I’m an outlier, but I strongly prefer this over the Maverick, and I’m a lifelong Ford nut. The larger bed, lack of integrated infotainment, and no hybrid drawbacks are a big deal to me.

This could handle 100% of my local travel and delegate my Bronco to pleasure and long distance travel.

Dpb001
Dpb001
11 hours ago

Same here. Had to finally concede my 98 Ranger had terminal rust a few years ago and traded up to my current single cab 2008 Tacoma, 5sp with a single bench seat. I look at the Maverick and see a small sedan where the factory forgot to install a trunk cover.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
2 days ago
Reply to  M. Park Hunter

Agreed when you look at what’s currently on the market for $27k this isn’t exactly an engineering marvel of cost breakthroughs. It does have some interesting ideas in the customization parts.

A Reader
A Reader
2 days ago
Reply to  M. Park Hunter

Competition is a wonderful thing!

I think that as soon as it was obvious that the launch of this vehicle was going to be as popular as it has been (real, legit, mainstream front page news!), Ford, GM, Toyota, and Hyundai have been holding expedited product planning meetings about how to deal with this. To be sure they’ve got a roadmap for this general segment of vehicle, in various stages of development, but have put public expectations on ice fairly recently. Like this and this and this and this.

Although there was no indication that any of these major players were going to bring a small electric truck to market any time soon, despite the obvious ability to do it, I bet they are talking real seriously about how and when to reverse course on this segment.

My bet is Hyundai does it first, with an EV Santa Cruz. They’ve shown a pretty good ability to be nimble with their EV offerings, and clearly have the tech ready to go. Ford could probably actually put out an EV or EREV Maverick fastest if they wanted to gamble, but when has Ford wanted to gamble?

M. Park Hunter
M. Park Hunter
2 days ago
Reply to  A Reader

“…when has Ford wanted to gamble?”

See: Maverick hybrid small truck. I think you could make the case that an electric SUV branded Mustang wasn’t on anyone’s bingo card either.

A Reader
A Reader
2 days ago
Reply to  M. Park Hunter

Great points!

Really No Regrets
Really No Regrets
1 day ago
Reply to  A Reader

Appreciate the links.

For some, the smallest truck is important for city parking or keeping at a suburban house. I do love the simplicity, like no screen required to operate vehicle controls.

I’ve closely watched the Telo truck evolution, and think it’s a definite plus to have 3 passengers without compromising the albeit smaller bed. It’s backseat folds to haul longer items in the bed. Yes, it’s much more expensive, though comes with some standard conveniences not in the base Slate, and options like all wheel drive. Not sure it’ll delivered in 2025, though maybe in 2026?

As someone on the east coast, if you can avoid the heinous crap dealers require, OEMs with local service could offer benefits that outweigh buying from a new startup.

My guess is that I’m not alone to want ONE vehicle to do everything; no space or desire for two (not counting my motorcycle).

From reading the little bit online, I’m cautiously optimistic about Ford’s “Skunkworks”.

Seems delivery of a mid-size (not small) BEV truck in 2027:
“Ford plans to launch the new mid-size electric pickup in the second half of 2027, two years later than expected.”

Also:
“Farley said creating Skunkworks proved to be effective from a cost standpoint. The automaker has developed a new platform at about a third of the cost than had Ford done it in-house.”

Will see how this all shakes out. My Subaru has another 3-4 years in it.

Scott
Scott
1 day ago

I think Ford is more likely to offer an EV Ranger before an EV Maverick. JMHO.

A Reader
A Reader
10 hours ago

you know, I thought Telo looked really cool – and I’m excited to see what they come out with – but when I took a close look at the visible front suspension, and the tires and wheels, I just tuned out because they look like lawn mower parts

not that that is all bad – there’s a great use case for really light duty stuff too

but I think what was instantly different to my eye about this Slate thing is that it has legit full sized tires, wheels, and suspension components, which are so refreshingly different from all the weird i3, Bolt, etc., skinny tires

for a truck like vehicle I’d way rather have steelies and real tires and 50 miles less range

Really No Regrets
Really No Regrets
10 hours ago
Reply to  A Reader

Not sure about Telo tire size, though their website has a pic comparing the Telo to a Ford Transit Connect, and the tire size appears the same. Transit Connect appears to have 16″ tires, per quick googling.

As with Telo, I’ll personally wait to learn what crash test results are for both the Slate and Telo trucks. I am a registered organ donor (everyone needs to consider this) and I’m only interested in taking a bigger crash risk with my motorcycle, not my car/truck.

Telo’s website says

  • Standard battery yields 260 miles vs Slate’s 150.
  • 1,600 (bigger battery) or 2,000 pound payload, vs Slate’s 1,433.
  • Non-Telo website: tows 6,600 pounds vs Slate’s 1,000.

Both trucks are a long way until production, specs subject to change, etc., so who knows. Will wait and see what happens.

A Reader
A Reader
9 hours ago

Ohhh here’s an article with a nice pic of the front suspension, near the bottom. More substantial than what I had recalled, but still not as robust as Slate. Exciting times! https://www.motortrend.com/news/telo-electric-mini-truck-first-look

Scott
Scott
1 day ago
Reply to  A Reader

Hyundai probably is considering an EV Santa Cruz, but it’s gotta wind up costing more than the current Santa Cruz, so it’s not gonna be cheap.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
2 days ago

I’m really curious how the partition (not the glass) is removed for the SUV conversion so that there is contiguous cabin space.

Nick Thomas
Nick Thomas
2 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

Yeah, that’s something I’ve been interested in too. I’m looking for something to do car camping in eventually and wasn’t sure if this was going to work for that. But if the whole partition can be removed, then maybe? Still might not be long enough even with the partition removed, but it’s now at least more of a possibility.

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