As you likely recall and are possibly still shocked about, Apple has abandoned their decade-long project to develop and build an automobile. Yes, the company that gave the world the Apple /// and the Lisa won’t be giving us automated electric cars after all. However, thanks to a report in Bloomberg yesterday we have at least a little bit of an idea of what the secretive Apple car could have been like. In some ways, it’s not really that surprising, based on what their goals seemed to be, and the cars they seemed to be using for inspiration. It’s still an interesting thing to imagine, so imagine we did, with the help of some artificial imaginings as well, and made a little mock-up.
One of the first actual details we heard about the Apple car, way back in 2016, was about the one car Apple purchased for the project: an old Fiat Multipla.
I haven’t ever heard what the plans are for the Multipla now that the project is shuttered, but if it comes up for sale, it should be a great example of a 1957 Multipla that’s likely been sitting indoors for the better part of a decade.
The Multipla is a cleverly packaged, one-box design, and even way back then, I was speculating that Apple would take the same basic approach to maximizing interior volume, and with a suspected focus on automated driving, would likely have a room-on-wheels sort of interior:
The Apple car, with its very likely focus on autonomy, will have an interior that’s not the driver-focused two-rows of seats we’re used to. I think we’ll see a much more open and flexible interior space, an almost mobile-room motif.
Looking at the description of the car in the Bloomberg story, that’s what they were going for, and there’s another inspiration vehicle mentioned, and it’s also a one-box design, just even more famous:
The prototype, a white minivan with rounded sides, an all-glass roof, sliding doors and whitewall tires, was designed to comfortably seat four people and inspired by the classic flower-power Volkswagen microbus. The design was referred to within Apple, not always affectionately, as the Bread Loaf. The plan was for the vehicle to hit the market some five years later with a giant TV screen, a powerful audio system and windows that adjusted their own tint. The cabin would have club seating like a private plane, and passengers would be able to turn some of the seats into recliners and footrests.
I can’t say I’m surprised at all by the fact that a Volkswagen Microbus was an inspiration; it was the original room-on-wheels in many ways, and the simple, rational design had to appeal to a minimalist like Apple’s lead designer Jonathan Ive.
Also from the Bloomberg report:
Under Ive, the microbus design emerged. The interior would be covered in stainless steel, wood and white fabric. Ive wanted to sell the car only in white and in a single configuration so it would be instantly recognizable, like the original iPod he’d designed.
The idea that the Apple car would only come in white is an idea that very deeply, almost clinically Apple. It fits the pattern so well, and you can even imagine the hype that would come a few years later when Apple would announce that the Apple Car 2.0 would come in six carefully-curated colors. The detail about whitewall tires is interesting, and I have to wonder if that description refers to old-school whitewalls like I stuck on our mockup, at least in part for shits and, where applicable, giggles, or if it is referring to some sort of custom white-rubber tire, the likes of which we’ve all seen on concept cars before.
Interestingly, this general form is pretty close to hypothetical early-2000s iMac-inspired car that our own daydreaming designer came up with a while ago, as you can see above.
This iteration, known as the Bread Loaf, seems to have been the actual running prototype, but there were other, more radical ideas earlier. From the article:
It had become pod-shaped, with curved glass sides that doubled as gull-wing doors, and the company considered including ramps that would automatically fold out to make heavy cargo easier to load. The front and the back were identical, and the only windows were on the sides, a design choice with potentially dire consequences in the event that a human needed to do any driving. (Front and rear windows were later added.) Some people on the project called it the I-Beam.
A version with no front or rear windows gives a big hint at both what Apple was going for and why, I think, they ultimately failed. Apple seems to have been focused on the idea of a vehicle with Level 5 automation, which would mean something that can drive itself anywhere, anytime. This goalpost is a long, long way off, we’ve all come to realize, and making that your target is a terrible idea if you want to get anything actually to market.
That’s what defined the now almost cliché “living room on wheels” concept, where people could regain the time lost in travel to be, regrettably, more productive or something. Designs for Apple cars often didn’t include conventional driving controls, and the Bloomberg story notes that at least one prototype had something like “an Xbox controller” to handle manual control.
Apple was trying to make their first car while simultaneously trying to make the first-ever fully automated vehicle. It was too much all at once, and even though they were talking to partners as diverse as Mercedes-Benz, Canoo, and even McLaren, it’s still asking a hell of a lot to figure out all of these things at once, for their first automotive project. Apple had to start with the Apple II series and then the early 68000-based Macs and progress and learn step by step; they didn’t form in 1977, then toil in secret for 20 years straight and pop out an iPod. That’s not how it works.
The Apple prototype that was finished enough to at least drive around Apple CEO Tim Cook sounds like, from the article, an Apple-ized minivan, which, really, isn’t a bad start. It seems to have had some level of automated driving, but likely something that would have required constant human supervision, which would peg it at Level 2.
I would love to see actual pictures of what this thing looked like instead of these mostly AI-generated mockups I’m playing with here. We actually have someone on our team who was involved with the Apple car project, our suspension engineering guru Huibert Mees, but, of course, he’s NDA’d within an inch of his life so he can’t reveal anything, but he was able to tell me this:
“I worked on the Apple car for 3 1/2 years and I can honestly say it was the only time in my career I worked for years with absolutely nothing to show for it.”
I think that must sum up the feelings of many of the people on the Apple car team, because, of course, there was no product. But if there had been, it seems that it would have looked like a glossy, sleek minivan, only available in white.
I’d daily it.
Nice mockup!
If I was making predictions, I’d say Apple pulling the plug on this project after a decade is fairly conclusive evidence that autonomous vehicles are simply nowhere close to being mainstream or even remotely viable.
Autonomous cars will work amazingly most of the time and fail spectaculary for some of the time.
I think that depends on whether you demand AVs perform at least as well as humans or that AVs perform perfectly all of the time everywhere and under all conditions.
Given the uproar over the Cruse that dragged a woman 20 feet as it pulled over vs the relative lack of outrage over the human driver that had hit that woman in the first place knocking her into the path of the Cruse and then fled the scene (and AFAIK is still at large) I’d say the cards are heavily stacked against AVs no matter how good they get.
I agree, it would seem that mission critical machines are held to a much higher standard than their human counterparts within our society. Simply matching the failure rate of human operators = not good enough.
I’m not going to argue if that’s right or wrong, but it is certainly the established precedent for building the public’s trust.
Here’s an interesting article comparing the roll out of autonomous vehicle systems to aviation from 5 years ago.
https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/autonomous-vehicle-safety/
Here’s an interesting article comparing the roll out of autonomous vehicle systems to aviation from 5 years ago.
And that is why AVs won’t be happening anytime soon. Perfect is becoming the enemy of good.
Those humans “highly trained for safety” made a LOT of mistakes to get to that point. Unfortunately even AVs have to go through a student driver phase in the beginning to become highly trained as well.
The good news is that the AV student driver phase is AFAIK already safer than a typical human’s student driver phase. Even better AVs can learn better from each other to not repeat those mistakes. The down side is it seems to be taking longer.
Ignoring the multitude of issues that just haven’t been fixed since that article was released, (AVs still can’t figure out snow, etc) it really comes down to what a company can profitably bring to market in a highly litigious society.
Theoretically we’re past the point where a “benevolent” authoritarian government (provided they have the $$$, clear road markings and a warm climate) could decide to replace all personal vehicles with AVs.
“We’ve ran the numbers, and while the robots aren’t perfect, they will lower the accident rate, so deal with it. Also you can’t sue us or the automaker, because we’ve codified this into our constitution.”
Here, once you remove the operator from the equation, all legal responsibility for any accidents falls squarely onto the manufacturer. You can bet if Tesla wasn’t able to shift the blame to the driver everytime FSD plows into a white 18 wheeler, they would not still be accepting customer’s money for that feature.
The irony is, the better AV systems get, the more the manufacturer is legally exposed, and must achieve near-perfection. Making that last jump to level 5 is the hardest and most critical step of all.
Theoretically we’re past the point where a “benevolent” authoritarian government (provided they have the $$$, clear road markings and a warm climate) could decide to replace all personal vehicles with AVs.
“We’ve ran the numbers, and while the robots aren’t perfect, they will lower the accident rate, so deal with it. Also you can’t sue us or the automaker, because we’ve codified this into our constitution.”
That is better than what we have now:
“We’ve ran the numbers, and while the elderly/new drivers/anyone with a blemished record/medical condition/neck tattoo/backwards baseball cap/whatever aren’t perfect, and they will significantly raise the accident rate, they need to get where they are going. We also refuse to invest in public transit for *reasons* so deal with it bitches. Also you can’t sue us or the automaker, because we’ve codified this into our constitution.”
Theoretically you can sue the person who hit you. Good luck.
The Apple logo on the hubcaps would probably be weighted to keep the stem facing up no matter what orientation the wheel or the car was in.
The fact it took the largest tech company in the world with unlimited resources 10 years to arrive at nothing should be humbling to Elon and the stans who keep saying real FSD is current_year() + 1.
Meh, Apple failing at making a car is not surprising- tech companies are abysmal at doing actual hardware, and even worse when said hardware has actual regulatory requirements. That’s why they outsource all of it to more experienced firms (John Ive may have done the product design on the iPhone, but it was some unnamed engineers at Foxconn that drafted and BOM’d the actual mechanical assembly). The 10 years it took them to realize that the project was DoA is more of an indictment of their inexperience than anything, this is the industry that loves to “fail fast” after all.
That does not change the fact that FSD is also a pipe dream, because its a very, very hard problem.
I’m still struggling to understand the arrogance of Apple in thinking they would pull this off-I never expected this project would actually see the light of day. Even in the EV era it’s proven shockingly difficult to get a new car company off the ground-and it’s not like Apple had a bunch of tech and engineering expertise that was especially relevant outside of the possibly the actual self driving software part of it. I’m a fan of a lot of Apple’s products as a photographer and designer but honestly I never could see how that translated in a meaningful or even good way into a car.
I have no interest in Apple, I came here to say though that an “Apple Bread Loaf” sounds delicious.
I love the “this looks hideous” comments re mockups based on third-party descriptions of what someone might have, at some time in the past, been thinking about planning to build. Thank goodness we won’t have to suffer more than just peoples’ ruffled conjectural sensibilities.
At least Apple shut down the project rather than ship something bad, since we haven’t seen any new automotive products lately that shipped but probably shouldn’t have, have we? [*cough* F*****, V****** *cough*]
BTW, Bloomberg has an inconsistent track record reporting on Apple, so I’d take anything they report with more than a grain of salt – maybe an entire salt lick. For example, there was the unsubstantiated story that China hacked Apple and Amazon servers with “phone home” chips. See here.
Wait. They failed at inventing the minivan?
Minivan + “white fabric interior”. They never had a chance.
If the Apple car actually existed I imagine awesome street rumbles between Tesla stans and Apple fanboys, like the Jets and the Sharks.
I propose that we could call their groups the Jerks and the Sharts. Your choice as to which is which.
If they could entirely eradicate each other, that’d be a mitzvah.
Cattle prods and tazers instead of switchblades and guns?
“I worked on the Apple car for 3 1/2 years and I can honestly say it was the only time in my career I worked for years with absolutely nothing to show for it.”
Welcome to the software business.
*sobs into pillow*
I’m pretty sure nothing I’ve worked on in my career is still in use.
A LOT of science research. Especially academic research.
Would I have to hold down the home button and volume button at the same time, then slide an icon on the infotainment screen to turn it off?
I can’t even read the article, but I am so glad that abomination is canceled. It is uglier than 1999-2004 F-150 taillights, and the iCult would have bought the shit out of it and I would have had to see it everywhere.
I wonder how much an Otterbox would cost to protect it?
Probably pretty cheap but replacing the Otters is where they get you.
Insert Otter meme here.
And how much would it weigh?
African or European otter?
Bread, apple. . .throw it all together with some ham, cheddar. . .and some spicy honey mustard. . .and you got yourself the making a classic Vermont sub.
Forget the apple and you got yourself the making of a great sub, gyro. Hoagie, or samich.
The world already has a “bread loaf” van — the stunningly low-tech Soviet-designed UAZ-452 “Bukhanka” van!
Da, comrade!
That’s my dream van right there. Absolutely adore the UAZ Bukhanka. It’s like pure IDGAF extract molded into the shape of a van. One of my most prized model cars is a 1/25 scale model of a Bukhanka “Glassed Van” version.
“There can be only one!!!”
It looks like they swiped stuff from all directions.
Am I crazy for thinking that if they partnered with an actual automaker the Apple car would be on the road right now? Starting from scratch just seems so crazy. Even a small company like Canoo would have given them a decent head start.
It’s a company that works with Noone, enjoys being difficult to use for no other reason than keeping non geeks out. And Noone from Apple ever got their hands dirty so no maintenance for anything but the computers, including tires. Apple sux at computers I can’t imagine they can do any better at cars.
Remember Sheldon Cooper an Apple genius isn’t. Yes that right isnt.
Eh, most of the iPod was designed and made by other companies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod
They have been partnering with automakers. Even Hyundai was in the mix at one point.
If the goal was simply to build a white, soap-shaped minibus, then sure…. They could have had Magna Steyr build them under contract, the same way they contract their existing products to Foxconn.
Ultimately though, Apple has no interest in selling conventional automobiles, they wanted to build an autonomous vehicle. No doubt they were hoping to leverage their design, UI and computer chip expertise to get ahead of the crowd.
Five years ago, a lot of people were resoundingly convinced that self-driving cars would be a thing by 2025. Well, it’s been five years, and we’re no closer. Apple has considerable resources, and likely access to some of the best civilian tech on the planet, but autonomous vehicles just aren’t anywhere close.
Got a feeling like the mock-up/prototype could have been close in spirit and execution to the Naoto Fukasawa-designed Muji Gacha autonomous bus from a couple of years ago. Naoto Fukasawa’s minimal, monochrome and soft designs have previously been a source for inspiration for the Apple design team, and the glass ceiling, the organic and gentle curves of the Gacha sure looks like it could have been an Apple product.
“Gacha” in Spanish is means “mush” and “oatmeal” in Spain, and in Mexico is an adjective meaning “horrible, awful, nasty, crappy” or “really bad”.
I think what they wanted was more like the Dymaxion but settled for the Multipla. That or the Rumpler Tropfenwagen.
You know, the Dymaxion was about a century ahead of its time, it’s almost buildable now. Drive by wire and stability control would solve its biggest problems.
I gotta be honest, with how much of a trendsetter Apple can be I’m glad this thing is dead. Apple’s whole “we tell you what you like” philosophy can take a hike.
Apple fan idiots are worse than myskovites.
I’ve got a white Pacifica I plug my iPhone into. I’m like 90% of the way there for MUCH less money.
Please let just one company use the model name “Loaf”. I’m looking at you Chinese EV manufacturers.
Nissan you could have the Leaf and the Loaf.
Only GM would use a branding strategy that stupid though.
User name adds credibility
Ora Cat Loaf!
I knead a car like that.I have only posted this to preempt any other attempts to make such an astoundingly bad pun.
That’s alright: I don’t have the dough anyway🙂I build a Maginot Line to defend against puns, and you lob one through Belgium.
Given Chinese build quality I think one of the definitions of loaf apply. As in pinch a loaf off. #2.
Colloquially cabover and near-cabover vans on the mainland are called 面包车, translating literally to ‘bread vehicle’, due to their loaf shapes so it’s more likely than you think.
What a frumpy looking car. They should’ve called it the Apple Van Dowdy.
And everyone made fun of my Honda Element. I guess boxy is in now.
It sounds more like the styling was from our friends at Dove soap.
I was at an auto show years ago where the Element concept car was being introduced, and they were so into telling me I could hose it out that it made me laugh. Surely, there was another feature to sell me on. I thought it was fine, but for the rest of the day when we were walking around the show the joke was “But can you hose it out?”
Years later, a friend got one, and it is honestly the most practical and thoughtfully designed vehicle of that size and has yet to be surpassed. It’s roomy, comfortable, durable and versatile. If I had found a nice, low milage model when I was last car shopping, I might have gotten one.
Well there are many cars through the years that were successful by not being excellent at any one thing but capable at many things. I don’t recall any being successful at being poorly at everything. Except hosing out.
Yeah maybe Volvo will get the message. Oh wait 40 years before.
It would have used non standard size tires, wiper blades and some sort of exotic fluid for cleaning the windshield, all only available from Apple
Also, you have to flip it over to charge it.
So this is a lovechild between one of the RoboTaxi’s, and the VW ID:Buzz. At least it looks like it could be.