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Here’s Why The Dealership Cyberattack Is A Bigger Deal Than It Seems

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Cyberattacks are so common these days that it’s hard to care when you hear about another one if it doesn’t impact you directly, but the massive attack on dealerships this week is a huge deal as it could cripple thousands of dealerships on one of the biggest selling weekends of the year. And that’s to say nothing of the data concerns.

As if things weren’t already a bummer, a supplier that’s supposed to help Ford ship its NACS adapters to Mach-E and F-150 Lightning owners has hit a snag and it’s slowing everything down. That’s not as big of an issue for hybrid owners, who don’t have to plug in, and new projections show that there will be more and more of them going forward.

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And finally, the R35 GT-R will soon be no more, but at least we have the memories.

We Don’t Really Know How Bad The CDK Global Cyberattack Is Going To Get

Cdk Global Dealer Hack

Last Friday, giant dealer back-end services company CDK Global put out a blog post underlining how important the start of the summer is to the roughly 15,000 dealers it serves.

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Whether you consider summer starting on Memorial Day, the last day of school, or the official start on June 20, it starts at dealerships much sooner. Millions of families are planning their vacations, and according to experts at The Vacationer, nearly 80% of people say they’re planning a road trip this summer. Memorial Day road travel was the busiest in 20 years according to AAA.

For dealers, this presents increased opportunities for vehicle sales, service and, of course, revenue.

The issue for dealers who use CDK Global’s dealership management system (DMS) tools is that they might not be able to do sales or service right now. As previously reported, CDK Global shut down all its services on Wednesday due to a “cyber incident.” This meant that dealers, depending on how many of CDK Global’s services they use, were restricted from using any digital tools to sell cars, track sales, schedule service, and possibly even answer the phone.

CDK Global said the issue was handled quickly, but then said a second attack forced them to shut down on Wednesday night and many of their systems have been down ever since.

According to Automotive News, this is likely to continue through the weekend at least:

CDK’s shutdown threatens to disrupt thousands of new-vehicle transactions taking place each day across the North American auto retail segment right in the heart of summer sales promotions and the industry’s intense push to avoid inventory buildups on dealer lots. Moreover, the cyberattack has raised alarms about security in the DMS business after other cyberattacks have disrupted operations at casinos, financial institutions and hospitals.

Dealers are finding creative ways around this, including relying on automakers for additional help closing deals and doing everything using paper.

Why is this such a big deal? First, it’s an issue of scale. Last year the industry was worth about $1.2 trillion to the U.S. economy and this is one of the busiest weekends of the year. Almost 2 million people work for auto dealers in the United States and this is hitting about half of dealerships (plus probably more truck dealers). If hourly employees can’t work or get paid that’s going to have an impact on their lives and the economy at large, depending on how long this lasts.

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Second, and scarier, is that CDK Global hasn’t, so far as I’ve seen, fully explained the scope of the attack. A car dealer generally needs a huge amount of data in order to sell a car, especially for financing a car. How much of that data is at risk?

The unknowns in this story are as scary as the knowns right now.

If You Haven’t Gotten A Ford/NACS Adapter You Might Have To Wait A Bit Longer

Preproduction Model Shown With Optional Equipment. Available Spring 2024.

When Ford announced it was switching over to the Tesla/NACS charging standard it created a stampede of automakers saying they’d do the same. Earlier this year Ford started rolling out an adaptor to make its existing vehicles work on Tesla superchargers, but that’s now hit a snag.

From the Freep:

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“The supply is constrained,” said Ford spokesman Marty Gunsberg. “Sales are up and customers continue to reserve their complimentary adapter. We keep getting reservations.”

Ford customers waiting for their adapter have received emails saying shipment dates are delayed.

This is not an issue of Ford underestimating demand, Gunsberg said. “We’re not overwhelmed. This is what we anticipated. While we’re shipping weekly, reservations continue to come in.”

Ford isn’t saying which supplier is slowing them down.

How Many Hybrids And EVs Will There Be In 2030?

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S&P Global Mobility has revised its forecast for the powertrain mix in the United States and, yup, there are projected to be a bunch of hybrids in our future. Looking at that chart above you can see EVs continuing to grow, with mild/full hybrids filling up a lot of space, as well as more range-extended EVs.

As we edge closer to 2030, BEVs and hybrids are likely to steer the future of transportation in North America. Despite more rapid electrification in other regions, North America’s production trails slightly, at just between 9% and 10% for BEVs and fuel cell vehicles. However, projections suggest a significant leap, with 44% of vehicles forecasted to be BEVs or fuel cell models by the decade’s end.

Bring back the i3? Clearly, BMW should bring back the i3.

Remembering The R35 Nissan GT-R

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Nissan GT-R with Raphael Orlove.

The R35 Nissan GT-R is no more after this year, which is sad, though the car has been on sale almost the entire time I’ve been in this biz so maybe it’s the car’s time (but not mine).

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Nissan reached out to a bunch of auto journalists to remember Godzilla, including MotorWeek‘s John Davis and MotorTrend‘s Frank Markus. You can read all the remembrances here. Here’s mine:

I debuted in the automotive world in 2007, right around the same time as the Nissan GT-R, though the R35 did it to far more fanfare and acclaim. It’s almost impossible to convey in words how much the R35 dominated the attention of car fans back in the early blog era. It wasn’t a car, it was the car. If we were having a slow news day, we always knew that publishing anything with a GT-R in it was a guaranteed hit.

How could it not be? The GT-R had concept car looks, stats to rival the best supercars of the day and was initially offered at a surprisingly achievable price. In spite of writing about it from the beginning, I didn’t get a chance to put real miles on one until years later. Somehow, after years of hype, the R35 Nissan GT-R managed to exceed my impossibly lofty expectations.

So long, GT-R! I can’t wait to meet the next one.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

Today was going to be Janis Joplin doing “Summertime” but I’ll save that for next week, because this is what I’m actually listening to today. Bonus points if you can name the singer here.

The Big Question

When was the last time you had an interaction with a dealership? If you work for a dealer, what are the vibes?

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Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
4 months ago

My sister and I went to go look at a used Yukon at a LR/RR/Jag dealer in Bellevue, it was super easy, they were extremely nice. She got her trade-in number, we left. She and her husband came back a few days later and bought it. Couldn’t have nicer things to say about it.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
4 months ago

“Hybris”

AlterId
AlterId
4 months ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

That’s the term for ritual circumcision of a 1080p-enis.

MegaVan
MegaVan
4 months ago

The last time?

Nissan dealer. They did the oil change I requested, charged me for an oil change and tire rotation. I told them they didn’t do the tire rotation and it needed to be done.

They got the shocked and appalled face on and tried to claim I didn’t know what I was talking about – but on chatting with the tech they found out he felt it did not need to be done because the tread depth was similar.

That was true. Tread depth was similar but their was different wear on the front and rear due to IFS and solid rear axle so I told them to do it anyway.

40 minutes later they pull it out with the tires rotated. I squirm my way home and find out my front tires still have 80 PSI and the rears have 50 PSI, they failed to reset the TPMS (a real hassle in this van), and the lug nuts varied from 25 ft lbs to 125 ft lbs.

I wrote the service manager and told them they’d be reimbursing the service. He agreed and I became $50 less poor again. He passive aggressively then stated that he didn’t see enough oil changes in their system for the mileage of my car and that they wouldn’t cover any engine warranty work unless I had receipts for the other oil changes.

I will not be returning. I don’t care how much more the independent service is.

Ben
Ben
4 months ago
Reply to  MegaVan

he felt it did not need to be done because the tread depth was similar.

I learned the hard way that this is not a good reason to skip tire rotations. I let them go on my Jeep because the tread depth kept being even for many tens of thousands of miles. Then at some point I realized my tire noise was terrible and took a closer look at the fronts. The shoulder blocks had all worn weirdly and were causing quite a racket. Since then I am religious about rotating tires because those tires were basically ruined with a lot of miles left in them.

GFunk
GFunk
4 months ago

I have a Subaru place by home and by work – the latter gave us a better price and some freebies when we bought our most recent car. The former, which used to be great to work with, has gone “no haggle” now and stood by it even when they knew they were getting beaten by the other place (I called and gave them a chance to match).

Service has been similar – home place takes forever, gets pissy about stuff, and suggests bs work, while the work place has finished my last two oil changes in <30 minutes each and been nothing but friendly and has lower prices on service, too.

Crazy thing is they are now both owned by the same corporate overlord, but the experience has diverged a ton since each was bought out.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago

Time for an R36 😀

Renault 36 GT-R
Nissan (Skyline) GT-R
Mitsubishi (3000) GT-R

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago

The dealership I purchased my car from requires an appointment for trivial things such as oil changes. And I’ve got to book it weeks in advance.

The other half’s former car, the dealership for it had drive-up oil changes.

It’s just a small thing, but it reduces the chance I’d go back to that dealership for more serious service (warranty/recalls excepted) and, instead, helps me find ways to get it done by my local mechanic or myself.

CampoDF
CampoDF
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

You know you can bring your car to any of the same-make dealer right? Some people have the mistaken assumption they have to take their car back to the dealer they bought from for service. The reality is, if you bought a Ford – take it to any Ford dealer, etc. Once you are out of warranty I’d recommend an independent shop unless you have specific issues with things like electronics.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago
Reply to  CampoDF

It’s actually a common behaviour from local dealers to force you to make an appointment for oil changes. As though they’ve actively discouraged a ‘drop in’ for service.

but, yes, considering I’ve three Honda dealers “local” to me, three Nissan, three Toyota, four Ford… with only one Subaru, one Volvo, one Mercedes. I would say only two or three of the dealerships total even offer service outside of the typical 9-5.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

The hours are the biggest draw to use dealer service in my area. They are usually open 7-7, 7 days a week. Hell one Lexus dealer here claims to be open 365 days a year. Meanwhile the indie guy is 9-5, M-F. Certainly can’t beat that kind of availability.

A. Barth
A. Barth
4 months ago

Second, and scarier, is that CDK Global hasn’t, so far as I’ve seen, fully explained the scope of the attack.

They won’t do that until they are 100% certain what the scope is. From a PR perspective, they need to be correct. If they issue multiple statements as they find new problems – or worse, walk statements back because they were wrong – the fallout would be worse than if they had waited until they were sure.

Most orgs will not make a definitive public statement until they have identified the root cause and they’re satisfied that the scope of the incident is clearly delineated. If they have an ounce of sense, they have already engaged at least one Digital Forensics & Incident Response (DFIR) firm to handle the specialized work. If they have cyber insurance, some choices were likely made for them: if they plan to file a claim against the policy, they will need to follow the insurance company’s guidance and use authorized providers (similar to how auto insurance authorizes body shops to do repairs).

The bottom line, though – and I mean this in the nicest possible way – is that this is no scarier than any other breach. The data concerns here are the same as in many other events, primarily due to the overuse of the Social Security Number (SSN) as a unique identifier. Yes, the dealerships will be busy. You know who else was busy and got breached? Target, Home Depot, lots of hospitals/health care providers, lots of schools, and the Veterans Administration.

The most likely outcome will be a public statement (eventually) from CDK saying “we’ve concluded the investigation and have determined that all issues have been remediated. Individuals whose data was compromised will be eligible for X months of credit monitoring from [whomever]. We take cyber security seriously, etc. etc. etc.”

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
4 months ago

I’ll share my grandma’s last dealership experience because she’s a boss.

Grandparents go to the GM dealer to look at a new Acadia. The salesman is extremely dismissive of my grandma. Won’t even look at her– only talks to my grandpa.

So they leave and go to the Cadillac dealership down the street and immediately buy a loaded XT5. My grandma (who doesn’t drive anymore) has my grandpa drive it back over to the GM dealership. She asks the front counter to send this sales dude out, then very sweetly tells him she “just wants to show him the new car!”

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
4 months ago

Last interaction was buying my wife’s car. They came out with a price that was higher than the internet price and were confused when I pulled it up on the website on my phone. They at least honored the price, but refused to negotiate any lower.

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
4 months ago

My dealership interactions are almost daily as there are some parts that are dealer-only and our local Porsche, Mercedes and BMW dealers are all affected. It has definitely made things a bit slower, but I have parts resources they don’t, so it’s not too big of a deal.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
4 months ago

Nice green.

Yeah, of course that one. You see any other green up there?

Who Knows
Who Knows
4 months ago

I think the last time I set foot on a car dealership property was stopping to charge on a weekend, so the place was closed. No people, so we just wandered around a bit, and the 3 year old played in some rocks before we continued on our way. Pretty nice experience with no one there.

Data
Data
4 months ago

Most recent dealership interactions:

  • Called dealer for service on 2012 Mazda, was informed they don’t work on cars older than 10 years.
  • Went to multiple dealers with my daughter after she totaled her Fusion Hybrid. Kia was fine, Honda was fine. Nissan was a disappointment. Salesman hanging out up front chatting on his phone takes a moment to ask what I need and if I am buying today. When I say we’re looking, he waves us off telling us to find someone else and goes back to his phone conversation. Amusingly, my daughter liked the Sentra best so we ended up buying the Nissan from the salesman we were waved off to.
Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

As someone who sold cars, that is funny that the guy who worked on commission couldn’t be bothered with you and then he lost a sale.

Red865
Red865
4 months ago
Reply to  Vic Vinegar

Same happened to me when I stopped to look at a mustang conv. back in the day. Granted, I was 19, so I didnt look like a good prospect. Low man on the pole got the sale and a couple more down the road. I had just received an insurance payout, so cash in hand.

Last edited 4 months ago by Red865
Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago
Reply to  Red865

I get it, I spent 2 hours with someone only for them to walk because they thought they could get it for $100 cheaper across town. Meanwhile your co-workers are making sales. But usually you could also feel them out a bit and determine if they were just a tire kicker, instead of just not even wanting to talk to them.

Red865
Red865
4 months ago
Reply to  Vic Vinegar

The rental Ford Tempo I was driving probably didn’t help my case 🙂

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago
Reply to  Red865

It can also be the dealership vibe. I remember in my 20’s going to a Lexus dealer, we were legitimately shopping for a Lexus. They just tossed us the keys, didn’t even come on the drive with us, no interrogation prior to it. Came back in, they shared some numbers, we said we would think about it…that was it. Easiest interaction with a car dealership ever. Wasn’t the right car for us though.

Compare to going to other dealers where they like want to hold your passport and credit card while you take a test drive accompanied by the over-cologned sales guy in the back seat, prior to them trying some “BUY NOW” sales offer inside afterward.

Red865
Red865
4 months ago
Reply to  Vic Vinegar

Basically had that same easy going/low pressure experience buying my wife’s almost new Crosstrek. Subaru dealership is a regional family owned one with multiple brands across town. Ending buying an older used car for my daughter there last year, based on previous positive experience.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

They don’t work on cars older than 10 years?!

Data
Data
4 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Local Mazda dealer in Memphis straight up turned away maintenance work. Said they don’t like to deal with parts issues on older vehicles. They produced the same model through 2014; maybe I should have lied about the year and then said oops.

I was completely caught off guard. Google informed me this is becoming more common across many car brands. I guess I get it. The computer chips, software and screens that run your car are going to be non-existent in short order and much harder to keep running versus something mechanical.

Dolsh
Dolsh
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

It’s a subtle way to get someone with an older car to consider new.

Data
Data
4 months ago
Reply to  Dolsh

It may make me think the brand doesn’t stand behind their vehicles and I should consider another manufacturer.

CampoDF
CampoDF
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

Not working on cars older than 10 years? That is bananas. Think of how many cars 10+ years old need LOTS of work done on them?

Drew
Drew
4 months ago
Reply to  CampoDF

It’s also a way to have almost no mechanics and several techs. If you know that you’re not going to do much more than change an occasional sensor, perform regular service, and follow manufacturer instructions, you don’t pay for expertise or experience. Staffing costs stay a lot lower.

CampoDF
CampoDF
4 months ago

There’s been a lot of discussion on the backend cyberattack, but I’m guessing there are some name brand front end systems that rely on this that have not been discussed. I’m certainly curious what they are.

A lot of dealers in my area use “dealer.com” for their website (and I’m guessing other systems) or “dealerware” to manage their loaners. My car is actually in the shop right now with a VW dealer and the loaner is being managed by Dealerware and the service is Quik auto. At any rate, it seems to be fine today. But about 10 months ago I had an issue with this same dealer whose computer systems went down and marooned my car there for a few days because they couldn’t ping the VW services to do diagnostics. I had to remind them that they can still change the oil the old fashioned way.

GreatFallsGreen
GreatFallsGreen
4 months ago

Got my last service done at a dealer in late April. I had wanted to try a different dealer than the ones in the same group near me to see if they gave me a different response or actual fix for a couple things that have been bugging me, but ran out of time based on online appointment schedules. But even so, I did actually feel good about the experience. They use one of the programs where a tech texts a video recapping the work while the car is still in the bay, any explanations on the cause and potential fix, things that might be needed etc – a nice addition and does help alleviate any concerns beyond what the service writer with a piece of paper says. I know I’m getting close to needing a couple things which I expected them to say I needed right then, but I still have some time and they honestly haven’t been too pushy in services ever. I’m still likely to move toward some independent shops now that I’m out of warranty and based on convenience but I know there’s at least one recall that will eventually have parts available that I’ll have to return for.

Mr E
Mr E
4 months ago

I work at a Ford dealership. We’ve figured out a way to deliver cash and finance deals, but if you want to lease a car, you’re SOL.

Considering most of our business is leases, you can imagine how happy we all are with this.

I came back from vacation yesterday to…this shit show. It’s like the universe is trying to tell me something.

Last edited 4 months ago by Mr E
OverlandingSprinter
OverlandingSprinter
4 months ago

I work in IT and have been personally involved in recovering organizations from ransomware attacks. I have no connection to CDK Global so everything I’m writing is a guess.

It’s possible (again, all a guess) CDK had a ransomware attack, shut everything down, and then recovered from a recent backup. The “second wave” may have been a reinfection from a compromised backup. CDK is now going through its backups — best practices is to have many more than one — to find one that’s not infected. It’s possible they found a clean backup, and are rolling through all of the transactions to make their databases current.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
4 months ago

Company I worked at had ransomware so instead of paying the measly few hundred dollars they were asking for (this was over a decade ago) we decided to just roll with our tape backups. Turned out those tapes had been writing jack shit for years and were completely useless. That IT company got dropped real quick.

OverlandingSprinter
OverlandingSprinter
4 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

An common story unfortunately. Must do test restores. A backup is not a backup until it is tested.

Dolsh
Dolsh
4 months ago

Ransomware is one thing. CDK is big enough that they’d likely/hopefully have some managed services in place to detect/prevent security problems. Some form of managed DPI… I hope. I’ve seen companies that detected the presence of a bad actor on their network and had to shut it down to complete a forensic eval of what was potentially accessed. It’s a big task… the bad guys are frequently on the network watching to see what’s valuable and what isn’t for 90+ days before they do anything. I’ve seen examples where the bad guys were there for 200 days just collecting small amounts of data here and there to avoid extrusion warnings so they could hit the business with a more impactful attack later.

OverlandingSprinter
OverlandingSprinter
4 months ago
Reply to  Dolsh

Agreed. I don’t know how security-savvy CDK really is. I know nothing about the company or the auto-retailer services business. CDK may have world-class security like the big banks, or they may be one step up from the local bodega. For their customers sakes, I hope they invested in hardware, software and people instead of treating IT as an expense.

Dolsh
Dolsh
4 months ago

There’s been a bunch of consolidation in the dealer management system space over the last ten years or so… the applications themselves are big and complex. The key is – does the CDK leadership know this? Clearly some bad guys did.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago

A few weeks ago I went to the Toyota dealer that is down the street from me to see a Grand Highlander because they actually had one on the lot. The sales guy was supposed to follow up with me on what allocations they have for hybrids, and I’ve heard nothing back.

I’ve lived in this area for a while now, and I’ve tried to use that dealership several times over the years because it is 5 minutes away. Tried to buy from them last time…they didn’t even want to offer me a price. Service, they waste my time and try and charge me for extra stuff. Now it seems like they don’t need my money again. Oh well. I’ll probably be buying two Toyotas in the next few years, but this is a major metro area and there are a lot of Toyota dealers.

Drew
Drew
4 months ago

I don’t know if it was caused by this breach, but I had contacted a dealer about an EV6 they had on their lot last week. I finally got a response yesterday that it had sold. It’s still up on their site, now with a lower price. They also seem a little scammy (they want to add $2400 of worthless add-ons to a $30k car), so it may be unrelated.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 months ago
Reply to  Drew

That is probably just a Kia dealer. Although usually the move is to tell you it is in stock, and then when you come down to drive it, it was “just sold”. But they’ll offer you something you never showed any interest in instead, after wasting your time, because that is apparently a good sales tactic.

Drew
Drew
4 months ago
Reply to  Vic Vinegar

Yeah, that’s probably all it is. Really frustrating, because it’s the only yellow one I’ve seen come up for sale. I was ready to pay shipping or maybe head down to AZ to pick it up if they didn’t try to sell me nitrogen, garbage overpriced tint, and two packages I don’t think do anything (their own certification beyond Kia’s and a Connect/protect package they conveniently do not explain). But it’s maybe sold and I didn’t like dealing with them much anyway.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 months ago

I had my Kona N scheduled to go in for an oil change/tire rotation/brake fluid change on Wednesday because I had the day off. They had to cancel it due to the attacks. As of now I’m scheduled to take it in tomorrow, but we’ll see if that actually comes to fruition. I’d like to get it done before the baby gets here (due date is July 5th) and after a serious day of track work two weekends ago new fluids are needed in a big way.

Hopefully the issues are sorted out by tomorrow afternoon. I’m also going to take a look at the new Santa Fe Hybrid while I’m there to gather some intel for my wife. I doubt I’ll bother test driving it but I’d at least like to sit in/feel around one to see how it is. I go back and forth on the styling but I will say it’s a little less busy in darker colors and they have the color my wife would want (primer gray, she’s not an enthusiast so be nice) on the lot right now so I’ll take a peek while I’m waiting for my car.

I assume the experience will be shitty, because this is the same dealership where a sales manager belittled me over refusing to pay a markup on an Elantra N. I shouldn’t be giving them any of my business but it’s the most convenient Hyundai dealership for me by a country mile. Ultimately I think my wife will just want a Highlander and we won’t be buying anything soon, but the cheater 3 rows are absolutely the size we want and we’re hybrid or bust, so it would be silly not to do due diligence while I’m already there.

ZzzZz
ZzzZz
4 months ago

Yeah, my A4 is currently stuck for recall work, and I really feel for the service department. They have been so friendly and apologetic, and I’m sure a lot of people aren’t very understanding. I’m also hoping it’s sorted out soon, but at least I have a loaner in the meantime. Good luck on the car search, and congrats on the little one!

Drew
Drew
4 months ago

I shouldn’t be giving them any of my business but it’s the most convenient Hyundai dealership for me by a country mile.

Go check out the car there. Then maybe buy it elsewhere. There’s a shitty Kia dealership near me, and I did some test drives and such at it before I ended up buying my Niro at one a little farther away. I never feel bad about test drives and checking out cars at crappy dealerships I don’t purchase from. Gives them a chance to show me they’ve improved/earn my business and it makes the process easier and faster when I go to the dealership I want to buy from (since those places almost never improve).

Parsko
Parsko
4 months ago

Good luck on the 5th, keep us posted!

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
4 months ago

I was at the Ford dealer to get some recalls on my Maverick taken care of last week. Service was busy, but they were pleasant and knocked it out in a couple hours while I went to lunch and did some shopping with my wife.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
4 months ago

Hardigree, I appreciate your broad taste in music. This track is a banger … and the singer’s voice is fascinating.

(Googles)

Oh, wow, I hear it now. Awesome.

Gubbin
Gubbin
4 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Buchholz

Nice trick posting the remix instead of the original, had to dig through the comments because I’d forgotten who the vocalist was. What a surprise, and it works.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
4 months ago

Haven’t interacted with a dealership since 2019, but that was actually a good experience.

SaabaruDude
SaabaruDude
4 months ago

What’s up with the vertical axis on that S&P chart? Can’t tell what it’s trying to communicate.

Luscious Jackson
Luscious Jackson
4 months ago
Reply to  SaabaruDude

# of Vehicles (in millions)??

Alexk98
Alexk98
4 months ago

Last dealer interaction was servicing my CX-30, overall an ok experience. The one thing I cannot understand is how dealers and shops alike never call me when my car is done, and usually don’t start on time.

Seriously, I had a 10am or so appointment for an oil change (free 10k mile service), dropped the car off at 8am, called at Noon and car hadn’t been touched. called again at two and the car still wasn’t done, and then got a call half an hour later it was ready for pickup. Why do I even bother setting a time for an appointment if they won’t follow it. Drives me nuts when I have to coordinate rides from people at work.

Likewise this goes for every other indy or tire shop I have ever gone to, regardless of the vehicle. I give them every bit of info ever needed, ask for a time to pick up or confirm, then get attitude and a stern “we will call you when it’s done” only to have them confirm “oh yeah its been ready for two hours, come on by” when I follow up later. Why have computerized scheduling systems if you can’t even use them accurately within a four hour window?

Last edited 4 months ago by Alexk98
Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Yeah, that’s very frustrating. I think they just assume (incorrectly) that if you drop the car off and leave they can get to it whenever. As far as not calling when it’s finished, I have no idea, but this seems to be common too.

Alexk98
Alexk98
4 months ago

All I’ve learned as time goes on is we’re theoretically the most connected as a society as we have ever been historically, and yet people continue to show a complete lack of communication skills.

Red865
Red865
4 months ago

I’ve gotten a text my car is ready, 2hrs after I picked it up…

Drew
Drew
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

shops alike never call me when my car is done, and usually don’t start on time.

“We’ll text you at each step to keep you in the loop.”

–HOURS LATER–

“Oh, let me check…yeah, it looks like they finished it. Oh, wait, maybe they never started? Come on in in a few more hours and it’ll probably be done. Maybe.”

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