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Here’s Why The Mighty Cummins 4BT Is The LS Swap Of The Diesel World

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The General Motors LS V8 engine is a legend in countless car enthusiast circles and, for many, the default choice for an engine swap thanks to the LS’ highly attractive mix of high power, low cost, and ease of integration into countless cars. But what if you’re a diesel nut? The diesel world has an equivalent, and it’s the Cummins 4BT. This glorious inline-four diesel comes from the same family as the iconic Cummins 5.9 and fits into a surprising number of engine bays. That means a shocking number of vehicles that never had modern diesel performance can now get great pulling power and fuel economy.

Back in August 2024, I wrote about how Ford Ranger owners have figured out a way to create the perfect small pickup truck that Ford didn’t. Those enthusiasts lifted compact four-cylinder turbodiesel engines out of Volkswagen cars and bolted them into their trucks. A Ford Ranger “TDI” sounds like the kind of truck everyone says they want. Depending on the Volkswagen TDI engine chosen and exact tuning, you can get a small truck that gets over 30 mpg when unloaded, but makes the same power, if not better, than the old gasoline-chugging lumps Ford equipped those trucks from the factory with.

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After that article, several readers noted that there’s an even more popular diesel swap out there: the Cummins 4BT. Enthusiasts are dropping the 4BT into basically anything that the engine can squeeze into, including Ford Rangers, Jeep Wranglers, Ford Crown Victorias, Nissan 240SXs, Chevrolet Camaros, and, shockingly, even a Toyota Prius. Just like with the GM LS, if some mad wrencher thinks they can fit a Cummins 4BT into something, they will probably get it to work. For example: the Ford Police Interceptor below has a Cummins 4BT from a bread truck and allegedly averages 33 mpg.

 

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The amazing thing is that there really isn’t one single reason to put a 4BT into a vehicle. Some may do it for the low-end power of a diesel. Some may do it because the diesel their truck had from the factory sucked to begin with. Or some may do it just to say they did it. If you’re handy, and don’t mind operating without the safety net of a full set of instructions, you can probably pull off one of these swaps by yourself.

Why The Cummins 4BT Is A Diesel Legend

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The Cummins 4BT. Credit: Cummins

I think we should first discuss why people select the 4BT in the first place. The world is full of diesel engines. Why are enthusiasts so obsessed with this one?

In 1979, the Cummins team realized they had a blind spot in the engine range. There were engines for big trucks and equipment, but the diesel giant wasn’t maximizing its potential in the medium-duty midrange space. The answer came with the iconic B Series, and Cummins’ legendary 5.9 straight-six led the charge.

Weirdly, while the B Series is incredibly important in the history of Cummins, the engine family gets only a short mention in the company’s history. Thankfully, David Tracy got the scoop years ago. From David:

To help tell the tale of the “five nine,” I reached out to Cummins’ marketing director David Goggins, who told me that the engine’s durability is rooted in its design for grueling industrial applications, saying:

A lot of the reason that engine is as durable as it is is because we designed it to be a heavy duty, commercial kind of engine.

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Cummins 5.9 24-valve. Credit: Cummins

Leading the development of the B series was Philip E. Jones, a British engineer known for his work at Perkins. Over at Cummins, Jones started with a clean sheet and designed a four-cylinder and six-cylinder architecture that shared core components between engines. Jones also designed the engine around metric measurements, resulting in notes in technical papers like how the B Series had a displacement of 0.98 liters per cylinder.

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David continues:

He went on to say that the 5.9-liter engine actually originally started as a joint venture between the Indiana-based diesel engine company and Case Corporation, which builds tractors and construction equipment. And indeed, starting in 1984 (well before the 5.9-liter engine ever found itself powering a Dodge Ram), Cummins offered three different variants of the 5.9-liter called the 6B, 6BT (turbocharged) and 6BTA (turbocharged, aftercooled), which served duty in tractors, combines, excavators, road graders, pavement rollers, boats, field sprayers and even school buses.

These are all seriously heavy duty applications. Add that to the fact that these engines were available in dozens of different markets with different climates and work environments (like Russia, China and India), and you can imagine how relatively understressed that Cummins Turbodiesel was once it finally made its way into a Ram pickup in 1989.

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But perhaps even more impressive than its factory torque numbers is the engine’s reputation for longevity. Once you start looking at the mechanical bits, you begin to see just how overbuilt the B-Series engine really is. The block and head are cast iron, the crankshaft and connecting rods are forged, the seven main bearings are massive, and like many heavy-duty diesel trucks, the crank and cam are connected by a steel timing gear—not a chain or belt like you’d find in normal cars and trucks. The Holset turbos are also known to last until the end of time.

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Cummins says that the B Series saved the day, specifically the 5.9-liter that diesel nuts love so much. It’s a solid engine, even today. The B5.9 features a straight-six design with two valves per cylinder, and reportedly had 40 percent fewer working parts than a competitive engine. Cummins used a 4.02-inch bore and a long 4.72-inch stroke, which was great for low-end torque. Add a turbo from Cummins’ Holset subsidiary, and the Cummins 5.9 made a healthy 160 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque while proving itself to be able to go hundreds of thousands of miles between overhauls.

The Cummins 4BT joined the B3.9 family in 1983 and offered a powerful option for smaller equipment. Like the B5.9 series, the B3.9 was available in a line of models. The base 4B didn’t even have a turbocharger, and a common output configuration was good for 80 HP. These engines are great for small tractors, wood chippers, trenchers, and other pieces of equipment that will be expected to work for decades, but don’t need a whole heaping of power.

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The 4BT added a turbocharger (that’s the ‘T’ in the name) and produced 105 HP and 265 lb-ft of torque in its initial configuration. In 4BTA spec, the valve count was upped to sixteen and an aftercooler was added to the turbo-diesel recipe. This boosted horsepower to 170 and increased torque to 420 lb-ft. And finally, there’s the 4BTAA, which featured an air-to-air intercooler and was known for making about 130 HP and 327 lb-ft of torque when new. These turbocharged variants of the 4B have found homes in smaller commercial vehicles like stepvans and delivery trucks.

It’s noted that the B3.9 and its variants have a lot of similarities to the B5.9 that everyone loves. Early examples still have two valves per cylinder, like the B5.9 and similar overbuilt internals.

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Not The Simplest Swap

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A 4BT-swapped 1978 Ford F-250. Credit: Bring a Trailer Listing

The Cummins 4BT helped start a bit of a diesel engine swap revolution. Diesel swaps aren’t anything new by any means. People have been loading full-size trucks with Cummins 6BT conversions forever and other diesel swaps have existed before that. But the 4BT offers a special mix of attributes that you cannot find in every diesel engine.

A Cummins 4BT measures at 30.6 inches long, 24.6 inches wide, and 37.7 inches high. It’s not exactly the smallest four-cylinder diesel out there, but it’s roughly similar in length and width to a domestic small block V8, though taller than gas mills. Those dimensions make the 4BT small enough to fit into everything from pony cars and small pickup trucks to smaller off-road SUVs. Some people even drop these engines into their full-size trucks, too.

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The 4BT fits well into the engine bay of the F-250 above. Credit: Bring a Trailer Listing

Its size alone is a huge deal, but the 4BT would not be as popular without two other factors. These engines are simple, and you can find them all over the place. Remember how I said that the 4BT was put into everything from stationary power equipment to all sorts of small commercial vehicles? Well, the sheer number of 4BT engines out there is simply absurd. Seriously, go onto your local Facebook and hammer in “Cummins 4BT.” You’ll find dozens of these things within 500 miles of you and maybe thousands around America as a whole.

You’ll find that many of these engines do not run. However, if you dig hard enough, you might be able to score an original running example for $2,000 or $3,000. If you want one that’s nicer, it looks like you’ll be ponying up around $6,000, maybe more. Some enthusiasts say that these engines used to be far cheaper, which is a shame if you’re only getting into the idea of a 4BT swap now. You’ll sometimes find old stepvans like the one below with 4BTs in them.

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Securing the engine itself can be a wild task all in itself. As DrivingLine notes, part of the reason why the Cummins B3.9 was offered in so many different applications was because Cummins was able to make lots of small changes to the engine to fit specific uses. Because of this, you may want to check an engine’s data tag before you buy it. On the data tag will be a Control Parts List number, or CPL, that will help you determine what emissions controls, injectors, injection pump, and turbo that you might be dealing with.

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For example, DrivingLine notes that engines with CPL codes of 1839, 2001, 2195, and 2304 indicate that the 4BT you’re looking at was meant for an on-road application. Engines with CPL 767 and 858 will have Bosch VE rotary injection pumps and are rated at 105 HP and 265 lb-ft of torque. Meanwhile, engines with CPL 857 and 986 had the same pump, but had intercooling and an output of 120 HP and 300 lb-ft of torque.

Some recycling facilities just cut off the front end of a truck and sell it whole. This Cummins 4BTA comes with an Eaton Fuller FS-4205 transmission, radiator, intercooler, and more for $3,750.

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You can refer to DrivingLine‘s list for even more CPLs. The thing that you need to know most is that not every 4BT is the same, nor will every 4BT even make the same stock output. As DrivingLine notes, the good news is is the parts between these engines are interchangeable. You can buy a 4BT meant for industrial use, make a few alterations for passenger car duty (for example, changing the injection pump’s governor to allow for higher RPM), and have a diesel engine that’s ready to hit the road. 

There’s one way to integrate a 4BT into the vehicle of your choice, so no singular guide will get you to the diesel-swap finish line. Instead, you’ll be depending on various forums, YouTube videos, and your own ingenuity. This means a 4BT swap isn’t as easy as putting a Ford Fusion engine into your Mazda Miata.

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However, there is a known starting point. An old 4BT doesn’t need any electronics and only limited wiring to run. First, you’ll need to wire in the starter. Chances are, you can just use the existing starter wiring from your vehicle to make that work. Next, you’ll need to wire in the fuel shut-off solenoid, and that needs just one wire. Ideally, that single wire will come from a source that is either charged with 12V power with a manual switch or is energized when you turn your ignition switch to the on position. In theory, you could just run a line from the battery, to a switch, and then to the solenoid.

You’ll also need to wire in the alternator, and once again, chances are you’ll be able to make your vehicle’s existing alternator work. That’s more or less the bare minimum that you need to get the engine to run. However, a proper conversion is going to require more out of you.

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A 4BT-Swapped Bronco. Credit: Bring A Trailer Listing

Let’s say you have a fifth-generation Ford Bronco and you want to put a Cummins 4BT in that. Sweet, that can be done! You’ll need a special adaptor plate to hook the engine up to the E4OD. You’ll also want to get a custom flex plate. Oh, the Cummins also isn’t going to use the same engine mounts as whatever gasser was in the truck before, so now you have to get custom mounts. Many shops recommend hydraulic mounts because the 4BT is notorious for transmitting tons of vibrations.

If you want the instruments to work correctly, you’ll also need sensor adaptors and then you’ll want line couplers to hook up the power steering system. If your truck has an E4OD automatic transmission, you’ll then need a custom TCM. Thankfully, there are aftermarket companies that provide all of these parts.

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Cummins 4BT swaps are also somewhat popular to do in Jeep Wranglers, and Big Bear Engine Company mentions some of the hurdles you’ll have to overcome. The list includes reusing the factory radiator, but cobbling together your own air intake. You also might need to have a custom suspension made because the 4BT weighs a whopping 800 pounds. Further complicating things is potentially needing to have a custom wiring harness made to make sure your gauges still work. The list is huge, so I recommend clicking here to read deeper.

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Car publication DrivingLine also notes that you should probably avoid the naturally-aspirated 4B engine if you desire turbocharging. Reportedly, this variation of B3.9 was not meant to be turbocharged, and doing so can threaten the head gasket and engine internals.

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A 4BT-swapped Ford Ranger. Credit: Craigslist via Engine Swap Depot
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A 4BT-swapped Ford Ranger. Credit: Craigslist via Engine Swap Depot

Likewise, you should be realistic with your expectations. These engines are very old-school. They’re loud, they’re harsh, and even later 4BTs have limited electronics. You’re not going to hook up a 4BT to a computer and crank up the taps with a few clicks. This isn’t the engine you want if you’re looking for the silky smoothness of a modern common-rail engine.

Things do get weird if you try to convert a vehicle that doesn’t have strong aftermarket support. If you’re thinking about putting a 4BT into your Honda Ridgeline, you’ll probably going to have to figure it out yourself. In that case, the Big Bear Engine Company, a provider of 4BT engines, mentions that New Venture Gear 4500 and Aisin AX15 transmissions are popular choices for people doing custom builds. However, you can buy adaptor plates for transmissions like the E4OD, the TH400, the SM465, and the T19.

Hot Rod magazine has a helpful article detailing even more things to consider, such as if you’ll need to cut up your ride to fit the engine, or whether your frame will even be able to take the 4BT’s torque.

4BT Swap The World

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So, swapping a 4BT into a vehicle is not for the faint of heart. I know if I attempted a 4BT swap, I’d probably just have an 800-pound brick gathering dust. But if you pull it through, you’ll join a community of Cummins-obsessed people who seem to want to put 4BTs in everything that moves.

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What is the craziest 4BT swap? Wisconsin wrencher Ben Schulz cut apart a second-generation Toyota Prius, mounted a 4BT under its hood, then gave it a truck transmission and a rear differential, turning the formerly gas-sipping hybrid into a rolling middle finger. That project required an incredible amount of custom fabrication, including welding new panels into the Pri’s unibody to fit the huge transmission. I will warn you, this video below has a lot of coal-rolling:

Leading this with a Prius is interesting, and a little hilarious because the swap gave the car worse fuel economy. The folks of Big Bear Engine Company say they’ve seen up to “mid-20s” in some applications, while the folks of DrivingLine claim around 17 mpg to 21 mpg. Fuel economy results are noted to be heavily dependent on exact application. For example, Big Bear Engine Company claims that a 4BT diesel swap might be able to double the fuel economy of a truck that had a Chevy small block V8 prior to the swap. However, a Jeep will likely see milder gains.

In other words, I probably wouldn’t do this for fuel economy reasons unless the vehicle you’re starting with is already getting awful fuel economy. Your specific swap may not exactly result in perfection, either.

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This 2007 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4BT swap is currently for sale! Credit:Fourbie Exchange

Here’s one person talking about the results of their 4BT swap in a Jeep CJ7:

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As promised here is the dirty nasty engine bay shot. Here is why I would never do it again.

#1 The engine is super expensive for what it is. I bought it in 2007 for 1500. Now they cost 3k for a crappy one.

#2 They are not the powerhouse everyone thinks they are. I have mine turned up and I can’t tow cause my EGTs are borderline. I turned it up to make it funner to drive. I put a fuel pin in/advanced timing/smaller exhaust side/gov springs/added fuel. I know I could add intercooler to help and that is planned.

#3 this engine is heavy. 850lbs all on front end isn’t fun. I would have to change everything about the setup to move it back 6 inches.

#4 gear splits in the nv4500 suck to daily drive. Start in second and build 28lbs of boost and shift to end up bogging third. Rinse and repeat until you are tired of shifting with one eye one EGT.

#5 You have to totally redesign fuel system. If you suck air in the tank even for a split second it’ game over.

Here is why I am keeping it in.

#1 Trail tractor. This thing refuses to stall on the trail. I let my nephew drive it and he locked up the front brakes in 1st gear low and broke the front end. Hence the dana 44 front. I mostly use it to pull logs around my property.

#2 Good on fuel. I get 24 HONEST mpg. I would get more if I drove more highway but a cj7 on the freeway is like being on the space shuttle challenger on re entry. I also drive like a teenage boy.

Of course, someone had to put a 4BT into a Miata!

Reading into enthusiast forums and places like Reddit, it also doesn’t appear that 4BT swaps would be the best choice for a modern full-size pickup truck. Remember that even healthier stock 4BTs make a touch less power than a diesel pickup truck engine made over two decades ago.

But lots of folks have put 4BTs into classic trucks with success. These engines can be tuned for more power, but you should be realistic there, too. Combing through the 4BTSwaps forum, it’s suggested that if you want a reliable street truck with a single turbo, you’re looking at closer to 250 HP. If you want 300 HP or more, now you’re looking at compound turbos and potentially losing some reliability. But hey, even 250 HP is a lot better than what a lot of trucks shipped with back in the 1960s and 1970s. I’m not surprised to see that some folks have put these in old GM ‘Squarebody’ trucks.

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A 1980 Chevy K10 with a 4BT. Credit: Worldwide Vintage Autos

Combing through the forums some more, there are also various reports of towing performance. Some folks report good towing results so long as you aren’t expecting to go fast. Others noted exhaust gas temperatures that were way too high, which can damage the engine. Some others recommend going with a 6BT build if you’re looking for a tow beast. So, again, you’ll want to temper your expectations. It seems most enthusiasts say that a 4BT will tow, but a lot of these builds aren’t specifically for towing.

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In other words, you’re not going to make a 4BT-swapped truck into the equivalent of a B6.7 HO. However, you should be able to achieve something really desirable. For example, the best engine in a 2000 Ford Ranger was a 4.0-liter V6 that made 160 HP. You can beat that with a 4BT and have a really cool truck.

From my research, the benefits of a 4BT swap will vary. If you’re looking for a Jeep that gets better fuel economy and has tons of low-end, stump-pulling power? The 4BT can do that. If you want to build a crazy diesel Chevy Camaro? Sure, it’ll do that. If you’re looking to take a compact or mid-size truck that was never offered with a diesel and give it that forbidden engine? Yep, the 4BT is good for that. The 4BT also seems to be a decent choice for replacing older, more tired diesels in classic trucks.

Much like the GM LS V8, it really does seem that if a vehicle exists, someone will inevitably put a Cummins 4BT into it. If you don’t believe me, check out the 4BTSwaps forum for a list of the vehicles members have converted, and it’s frankly insane. People have put 4BTs into Dodge Dakotas, a Plymouth Satellite, Ford Explorers, a giant Ford F-800, plenty of Ford Rangers, all kinds of Chevy C/Ks, and yes, even more than one Nissan 240SX. Those threads sometimes also have details about how the swap was completed, too, which can be helpful.

That’s what’s great about 4BT swaps. Like the fabled LS swap, people have done 4BT swaps for any number of practical reasons, but also just for the fun of it. I mean, I won’t lie, the thought of a Cummins-powered Smart makes me smile. So, if you have some old car lying around and you want to do something that’s not an LS swap, maybe consider the diesel version of the LS swap.

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Top graphic images: Craigslist via Engine Swap Depot; Cummins; depositphotos.com

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Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
21 hours ago

Easier to just import a small diesel pickup from overseas. In fact, that same Ranger itself was available with a 2.5L diesel in Latin America.

Sklooner
Sklooner
21 hours ago

I had a motorhome that originally had an Isuzu diesel and then swapped with a 4bt- not a great idea it barely outdrove continental drift

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 day ago

We SHOULD be doing 4JJ1 Swaps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I42GewfVJrE

Last edited 23 hours ago by Comet_65cali
Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 day ago

Imagine swapping one of these beasts into a Suzuki Jimny…. you’d have the ultimate short-wheelbase off-road monster. Assuming that you have the 4wd version to begin with.

86-GL
86-GL
21 hours ago

Eh, the thing this article glosses over, is that the 4BT weighs 850 pounds. That’s twice the weight of an LS V8! This swap is mostly for people wanting dead reliability in older full size trucks, at the expense of performance. Not the right motor for something like a Jimmy or a Jeep. Better off with a turbo Kubota out of a reefer truck, or even better, a SXS chassis swap…

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/12GB2V4UHvA/

notoriousDUG
notoriousDUG
1 day ago

Ugh, the 4BT is not that great a swap.

For the weight and cost, they are not exactly a powerhouse.

The weight and size make for packaging issues and they almost always require suspension work or throw off the balance/handling.

FloridaNative
FloridaNative
1 day ago
Reply to  notoriousDUG

Yeah, sounds like a 4BT swap is an answer looking for a question.

notoriousDUG
notoriousDUG
1 day ago
Reply to  FloridaNative

I think they swap popularity has less to do with them being a great choice and more to do with them being super simple to adapt to transmissions and very simple to wire in.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 day ago
Reply to  FloridaNative

There is a reason the LS is the default motor swap. It’s half the weight of this turd and makes exponentially more power. AND gets better fuel economy.

I’d leave this motor for “content creators” on youtube with more money than sense.

FormerTXJeepGuy
FormerTXJeepGuy
1 day ago
Reply to  notoriousDUG

Agreed. The weight made me nope out immediately.

Grant Williamson
Grant Williamson
1 day ago

The funniest 4bt swap I ever saw was a guy that put one into a second gen ram 2500 that originally had a gasser. Definitely not as wild as some of the ones mentioned here, but I found it funny because that truck was already available with free 6bt/ISB, so why not just buy one with a factory diesel. I saw this in person, too. I have a diesel injection shop and he pulled up looking for parts.

Pappa P
Pappa P
1 day ago

The thing I like about LS swaps is that they provide a huge power upgrade, with unlimited tuneability, for very little $/hp.
They are also reliable, relatively compact, and light enough to still maintain decent handling and stopping ability.
They can also run economically, sound good, pass emissions, etc.
They are also getting cheaper and easier to swap into common applications all the time.
Also they don’t roll coal, preventing you from being a total douche to infants and cyclists.
The 4BT swap is the opposite of all of those things.

Cody
Cody
1 day ago

Just that the fact that geniuses aren’t doing these swaps confirms to me that there’s better swaps to do

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 day ago

May I introduce you to our lord and saviour, the Mercedes OM6xx family?

From the tractor grade OM617 5 cylinder, all the way up to the common rail OM648, there’s an inline German diesel to suit your needs!

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 day ago

Yes, these make way more sense in light duty applications than an air compressor engine. (most of my 4B experience was with Ingersoll Rand 185CFM compressors, and the occasional Case 480C backhoe)

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 day ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

I mostly saw them in bread trucks and small construction equipment.

Maxzillian
Maxzillian
1 day ago

Harsh is a big understatement. While the coveted 5.9 will sing and hum along smoothly, the 3.9 is an absolute clatter disaster. Having no balance shafts it generates a healthy amount of vibration and the 4 cylinder undertone doesn’t help it one bit.

I want to love the 3.9, I really do, but the NVH alone kills them for me and the weight seals the deal.

Jnnythndrs
Jnnythndrs
19 hours ago
Reply to  Maxzillian

My feeling exactly. Struggling to get 225hp with an 800+lb. engine that is insanely vibratory – not in a good way – and isn’t even really cheap just seems like a failure. And I own and like diesels, just not this one as a “let’s swap it into everything” item.

M SV
M SV
1 day ago

Maybe they are definitely the best known and were in a lot of things. Plus the Cummins modular design makes things easy. But they aren’t cheap. Kubota, Isuzu , Perkins, and Yanmar are everywhere too. You see Mitsubishi and deutz sometimes too. You can pickup an engine out of a reefer unit for around $200 they are normally around 50hp. I’ve seen several rangers go that way. Or guys repowering their skid steers or building gensets. Some put bigger turbos on them and get a bit more power and do things to the injectors or the pump.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 day ago

I remember when these were popular for irrigation pumps and other steady-state, non-moving applications. We would fire them up, set the operating RPM, and engage the pump just to watch the 4BT just lug through the load without a care.

With that said, all the 4BT swaps I’ve seen have been questionable on the value equation, primarily because 4BTs haven’t been a cheap swap option for many years now.

No Kids, Just Bikes
No Kids, Just Bikes
1 day ago

Slight transmission nit – E4_D. Is it O (Oh) or 0 (zero)? I thought the last three letters stood for 4-speed Over Drive. But based on nothing…I am unsure if I ever actually *read* it that way.

Mine was in an Econoline. I suppose the E could also stand for Elide as the transmission eventually started to slip.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
1 day ago

You’re correct, it’s an Oh.

Rippstik
Rippstik
1 day ago

Based on all the comments, I feel like a Hostess Step Van deep dive is in order…

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
1 day ago

The Hostess Stepvan fleet at it’s peak was around 12,000 trucks and most were 4BT powered. They were quite popular during he bankruptcy auction to the point that the liquidator demanded a written agreement that the buyer would take the whole truck ’cause they were just taking out the 4BT and leaving the rest of the Stepvan!

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
1 day ago

Credit where credit is due to Continental Baking Company AKA Hostess- Back in the 60s they talked Ford to bringing over their English Ford diesels and installing them in step van chassis. When Ford dropped that option, Hostess demanded and got 53 series Detroit Diesels- Heck, for awhile just about every truck they bought including semi tractors was Detroit powered. When Ford discontinued diesels in step van chassis Hostess bought gassers and swapped in the 4BTs, Ford soon surrendered and factory installed the 4BT. When Ford quit making step van chassis for a couple years Hostess had amazingly enough John Deere and later Freightliner build a 4BT powered chassis with similar dimensions for them. Hostess went bankrupt and closed in 2012, but the 4BT was so easy on fuel and durable that Cummins probably gave Hostess a couple extra years of life.

Staffma
Staffma
1 day ago

I need to see a photo of a 4bt next to a smart car.

Bucko
Bucko
1 day ago

I keep my eye open for a 4BT to replace the 4.4L Ford BCD in my telehandler, simply because the BCD (slimmed down version of the 6.6L in some big tractors) has no glow plugs or grid heater which does not work well here in Alaska.

For a road vehicle, I would never put a 4BT in anything. The weight-to-power has to be one of the worst options out there. The weight makes it a poor choice for off-road rigs, or for trucks that may have a limited payload to start. A 4BT in a Miata? Might be a parlor trick, but try it on an autocross.

TDI is still the engine of choice for a road vehicle if you need similar power levels. Higher revving, lighter, less vibration. The TDI would be much cleaner from an emissions perspective as well. I think there are some 3.0L Duramax crate engines coming out if you need more power.

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
1 day ago

Off-road people I know say the 4BT was great back when you could buy the driving bread truck for $1500, yank the engine, and sell the scrap for $500. But those are all used up. Now on the rare occasion I see a 4BT on Craigslist, they want $6000 for it.

Another interesting diesel is the Cummins 6AT. It’s a 6-cylinder diesel that was designed specifically to replace a Chevy small block. The bellhousing pattern and the engine mounts are the same, and they’re meant as a drop-in replacement for fleet service. That’s all I know. I saw one on Craigslist once many years ago.

Last edited 1 day ago by Angry Bob
Russ McLean
Russ McLean
1 day ago

Long term driver of a 4bt swap here. Excellent write-up – BUT – many 4bt swaps are not legal and will fail smog emission testing. A subject far to complicated to cover in a comment. You might build a vehicle that is impossible to register in your home state.

Below is my signature on the 4btswaps web site, with a link to my build thread.

1986 Ford F150 with 1952 Bell Telephone System service bed, 4BT, CPL 727 (105 HP) with 3,400 RPM governor spring and 120 HP H1C turbo, small aftercooler, AC, PS, Cruise, 1997 M5R2 5 speed overdrive transmission, Front P215/75R15 tires, Rear 245/70R16 tires, 2.75 rear axle ratio, approx 4,400 Pounds (no passengers), approx 25 MPG average, Driven in 10 states in 2013, 2014 Diesel Confab – 22 states in 15 days – Total of 70,000+ miles and 37 states.
1986 Ford F150 shortbed with 4BT
Still plays with trucks

p.s. The leftover Wonder Bread van (12 foot Grumman on an 1986 Ford E350 chassis) makes a sturdy storage shed.

Russ

Russ McLean
Russ McLean
1 day ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

Further comment on smog emissions (WARNING: I am NOT up-to-date on current smog emission rulings). In general, your engine can not be older that the vehicle that it is installed in (mine is a 1986 engine in a 1986 truck). All the as-delivered emissions equipment must remain on the engine and be in full working order. Paperwork trace shows my engines was delivered to Continental Baking in Phoenix, AZ. I also had my vehicle inspected and had the registration changed to “FUEL TYPE: DIESEL”. I live in Cochise County (The closest town that you might recognize is Tombstone). There are NO vehicle inspections in this county (and a general attitude of minding your own business <wink>.)

Russ

Russ McLean
Russ McLean
1 day ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

And a little April Fools humor from the local paper “Mexican legislature advances bill that would annex Cochise County as its 32nd state to be called ‘Coqueso'”

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
1 day ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

Your engine may have been one of the ones that Hostess had swapped into a chassis that came with the 300 six gasser. Cummins must have eventually emissions certified the 4BT for road use but the VIN on the early 80s chassis gave away their gasser engine origins. BTW, saw all this as a Transport Driver for Hostess from 1978-92.

Russ McLean
Russ McLean
1 day ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Diana,

My van is a VIN “Y” (300 CID 6 cylinder). A search of the Cummins database showed that my serial # was assigned to Continental Baking in Phoenix, AZ. I have no knowledge if the engine was installed on the Ford chassis assembly line, swapped in at the Grumman body assembly plant, or swapped in at a Continental Baking facility in Phoenix, AZ.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
1 day ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

Was probably swapped in, but the whole Hostess operation in Phoenix has some mysteries- IIRC they never had a bakery there but listed one in the annual report at least once. Phoenix was too far for the transports from the Los Angeles area to run to and back in the drivers hours of service, so I think they had a big warehouse and truck repair shop there and the liquidation ads showed a large facility.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 day ago

I have to believe the key selling point of the 4BT is availability, which in turn led to a large knowledge base. But I’ve watched enough YouTube to know that there are millions of (mostly) old Japanese trucks and vans with 2L Diesel engines that are physically much smaller yet have the same power as a 4BT. I regularly see a RHD J70 Land Cruiser running around town that has the 2L-T 2.4 liter turbo Diesel, and it goes pretty hard.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 day ago

If you want something lighter and more modern, capable of making 400 horses with tuning without giving up daily drivability, Isuzu’s 4JJ is worth investigating.

Rippstik
Rippstik
1 day ago

I was hoping the Repower 2.8 Cummins would replace the 4BT AND be 47 state legal, but the cost is even higher, while the aftermarket support is lower.

TurboFarts
TurboFarts
1 day ago
Reply to  Rippstik

The R2.8 is a real disappointment. It’s a shame they don’t sell crate 4BT anymore either.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago
Reply to  TurboFarts

And at $10.5 grand not exactly a great price either….

TurboFarts
TurboFarts
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

At that price might as well get a used 6BT 🙂

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

Buy a used one. They’re called the ISF and are sold in 2.8L and 3.8L configurations.

Ben
Ben
1 day ago

I assume these all roll coal since I doubt anyone is installing emissions equipment on a diesel swap.

I was really hoping the Prius swap was going to be a diesel hybrid. Finding out that they just hacked in a coal rolling truck drivetrain was a big disappointment, although not surprising once I saw that this engine is the size of a V8, not an I4.

TurboFarts
TurboFarts
1 day ago
Reply to  Ben

Rolling coal isn’t due to a lack of emissions equipment. It’s due to intentionally overfueling. My ‘93 D250 with 6BTA came stock with no emissions equipment and does not roll coal.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago
Reply to  Ben

If you’re going to do a Prius hybrid diesel you need a much smaller engine. Even then you’ll be hard pressed to outdo the Toyota gasser on fuel cost (at USA gas vs diesel prices).

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

A diesel-hybrid would likely use something like a tiny Kubota engine, and with that engine you’d definitely trounce a gas Prius’ fuel economy.
My TDI has better fuel numbers than a Prius, and that’s with a bigger, more powerful engine than a Prius and no hybrid tech.

Last edited 1 day ago by SarlaccRoadster
Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago

They haven’t sold VW diesels in the US for nearly a decade – but the 2014 Passat was EPA rated at 34 combined while the Prius is 57. And assuming that Kubota diesel has to meet EPA on highway emissions I’m still betting on the Prius which starts with a 20% advantage on fuel cost per gallon.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

My Sportwagen TDI gets 40+mpg city and close to 50mpg hwy, and that’s even loaded with about 1000lbs of industrial equipment while going 80mph, hot summer/cold winter doesn’t matter.
If I wanted to hypermile it I could get way better numbers.
I guess the manual trans helps a lot as well.

Last edited 1 day ago by SarlaccRoadster
Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

A Pious that can tow in the mountains with the AC running is a good thing!

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 day ago
Reply to  Ben

Petrol engines forced to run on ethanol trashfuel are the epitome of anti- ecologically sound approaches.
I went to diesel primarily due to vehicle damage and the efficiency crash caused by ethanol.
No regrets, and I’d put my all mechanical 6BT up against anything for over all efficacy, bearing in mind it will need a refresh after another half million miles.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 day ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

I’m no proponent of ethanol as fuel but the average car on road age in the USA continues to advance at 12.6 years in 2024 an all time high which tells me our engines really aren’t being destroyed prematurely by ethanol.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 day ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

90s Rangers, one of the toughest consumer vehicles built lose hoses and vacuum lines, and wear is unquestionably higher.
Repair is unaffordable for most people.
Worst is mileage is always far worse, as you have to push the engine harder.
My Toyota is parked for now as I can’t save enough on fuel to justify insuring it.
And ethanol is a double method of wealth shifting.
You pay for the ethanol and then if you have any money left, you pay far more for groceries.
I would probably have bought a diesel for towing, but ethanol makes a 4 ton daily driver my best option.

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
1 day ago

No thanks. After dealing with Cummins isx15’s and x15’s for over a decade, I want nothing to do with them. New Detroit dd15’s last a million miles or more. Best I’ve seen is 750k out of a Cummins before a rebuild. I know the old stuff is good, but I just hate Cummins now. Hell, I’d rather have the Volvo diesel.

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