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Hiding In The Back Alleys Along The Ventura Freeway: 1975 Chevy Monza vs 1983 Ford Mustang

Sbsd 8 19 2024
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Good morning! We’re kicking the week off with a pair of cars from the only part of Los Angeles I really got to know well when I lived there: the 134/101 freeway corridor between Eagle Rock and Tarzana. Not the most exciting part of town, but what the hell.

Friday’s four-way shootout was a moot point; absolutely nothing in that list is as cool as a Pontiac Aztek, and we all know it. But not everyone can land such a sweet ride. You all chose the Opel Manta from among our foursome, and I am in full agreement that that is the right choice.

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I have to say, I was thrilled to hear about the reception that the Aztek received in Monterey. Too often we hear stories about car snobs, people looking down their noses at a particular car and claiming it has “no place” in car culture. It’s bullshit, and shame on them for “yucking someone else’s yum,” as the kids say. (Do they still say that? I don’t know. I’m hopelessly out of touch.) All cars – and more importantly, all car enthusiasts – deserve a seat at the table.

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Admit it – whenever you drive down a street, particularly in a residential area, you check out the cars parked. We all do it. Most of them are just scenery, but we keep looking, hoping to find that one diamond in the rough sitting in a driveway or hidden in a side yard. And when we find one, we keep tabs on it whenever we pass by, making sure it’s all right, maybe hoping, one day, to see a “For Sale” sign appear in the window.

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There was a green AMC Gremlin in a driveway a couple miles from my house in Portland that I watched over the course of three or four years. At first it was in the yard, then after a couple years it moved to the driveway – a good sign. Then, shortly before we moved, a yellow “Specialty Vehicle” license plate appeared on the back. I never did see it run or drive, but it did my heart good to see its lot in life improving.

I like to imagine some car enthusiast driving or walking past these two, and wishing them the best. With a little luck, both of them will find good new homes. Let’s check them out.

1975 Chevrolet Monza Towne Coupe – $4,000

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Engine/drivetrain: 350 cubic inch overhead valve V8, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Valley Village, CA

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Odometer reading: 110,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives

When life gives you lemons, the old saying goes, make lemonade. Well, Chevy’s Vega compact was definitely a lemon, and the Monza, based on the Vega’s platform, was more like watered-down Country Time than fresh-squeezed. But it solved the Vega’s most glaring shortcomings, and in certain trims, actually looked pretty cool. Chevy offered two completely different Monza body styles: the sleek 2+2 fastback, and this miniature Monte Carlo version known as the Towne Coupe.

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The standard engine in both Monzas was the same trouble-prone four-cylinder from the Vega, but Chevy also offered a small-block V8. Most of the country got a tiny 262 cubic inch version, but to meet California emissions, Monzas sold in the Golden State got a 350. Don’t get too excited, though; it was rated at all of 125 horsepower. This one runs and drives, but that’s all the detail we get. The good news is that it’s old enough to be exempt from smog testing, so you can go nuts with the modifications to boost the power if you want.

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It’s not in terrible shape; the seller says the front seats were just reupholstered, and the rear seat and carpets look all right. The dash is that terrible ’70s GM plastic that has all looked like hell since about 1982. It’s cracked, pitted, and worn. If it were a Camaro or a Monte Carlo, you could probably find a replacement dash top, but for a Monza, you’re probably stuck with it.

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Outside, it’s straight, original, and intact, but very faded. And even in California, I fear that vinyl top is hiding some rust caused by trapped moisture, especially since I’ve removed the vinyl top from a ’78 Nova, and discovered that there was nothing but primer, and lots of rust, underneath.

1983 Ford Mustang Convertible – $3,500

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Engine/drivetrain: 3.8-liter overhead valve V6, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Glendale, CA

Odometer reading: 160,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

A convertible was part of the Mustang formula from the beginning, but the soft-top version disappeared after 1973 when the “fat” Mustang gave way to the smaller Mustang II. Convertibles disappeared from Detroit altogether after 1976, until Lee Iacocca brought them back in 1982. Ford wasted no time in lopping the top off the Mustang once again, offering a convertible Fox-body starting in 1983.

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The Fox-body Mustang offered a bunch of different engines over the years, but most of the early convertibles I’ve seen have a 3.8 liter Essex V6 and an automatic. It’s not exactly fast, but Mustang convertibles are all about cruising, not high performance – except, of course, for those rare occasions when you have to “slam on the gas.” This one runs and drives well, the seller says, and has a new power brake booster, so at least someone has been doing some work on it.

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The biggest problem with non-GT Mustangs of this era is that the interiors are downright frumpy. That’s the same steering wheel that was in your uncle’s Crown Victoria, for Pete’s sake. And fake woodgrain on the dash? What was Ford thinking? It’s hard to tell what condition this one is in; you’d have to clean off the dust and neglect before making a proper assessment.

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Outside, the paint is shot, the hubcaps are missing, and one taillight is broken. And again, it’s very, very dirty. But the top is in good condition, at least, and the power mechanism works.

I hesitate to call these “project cars,” because neither one is particularly desirable. But if you’re looking for something a little unusual to tinker with, they might be just the thing. Which one grabs you?

(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)

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Knowonelse
Knowonelse
4 months ago

If you do see a vehicle parked for a long time and it tickles your fancy, leave a note. I have missed out on three vehicles because I did NOT leave a note. Later on I found out about the fate of them, and they weren’t good. I have a rare vehicle that sits a lot, and I get notes left on it occasionally. I don’t mind, I’ve been there/

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago

Is that a pack of cigarettes in the centre pocket of the Mustang?
If so: I can only guess what the interior would absolutely reek of. No thanks.

John Crouch
John Crouch
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I think it’s herpes cold sore cream.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago
Reply to  John Crouch

Much better.

Mike F.
Mike F.
4 months ago

Monza, first for the rarity, second for the potential sleeper aspect. But above both of those (yes, above “first”) is that godawful red interior in the Mustang. I couldn’t sit in that thing for ten seconds.

Last edited 4 months ago by Mike F.
Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago

Lets do a project car:
Take the Mustang and put a new 2.3L Ecoboost into it.

Dennis Ames
Dennis Ames
4 months ago

I had a friend in High School with the ’72 262 motor and 4 speed in it. had a tiny clutch, so he learned to drive it with out as much as possible. We did “P” ( on the MPH of the speedo) on the highway one night so I’m guessing we were going 120 MPH.

Alan Christensen
Alan Christensen
4 months ago

Everyone who sees a Mustang expects it to be fast, yet many of them are far from it. On the other hand, no one expects a boxy Monza Towne Coupe to be anything but slow, if they even remembered those things ever existed. So it could make a great sleeper. Also, I dislike convertibles. Also also, think Monza drift car.

Last edited 4 months ago by Alan Christensen
Schrödinger's Catbox
Schrödinger's Catbox
4 months ago

I had a 79 Monza with the Buick 3.8l v6. It was serviceable, and kinda fun with the Saginaw 4 speed manual, until the clutch cable came thru the firewall. Then after I got that welded, several months later, the engine made a very loud, expensive, and uncontained oopsie on the interstate. Went straight to the shitheap afterwards.

Things that go wrong with these cars:

  • brake hardware that fails, causing calipers to flip out of place (exciting!). Bushing used to be made out of nylon. Really cool when they get brittle, or the groove on the steering knuckle where the caliper sits gets deformed from failed hardware, allowing the caliper to work loose at speed
  • springs that collapse
  • on V8 engines, to change one of the rear plugs, you’re going to have to loosen the motor mounts and shove that bad boy over to get access (or cut the wheel well to get in there)
  • exhaust systems are crap
  • door hinge bushing failure – fairly easy to replace but a pain in the ass when they go, because you have to lift the door to shut it.

I had all except the spark plug access issue. It’s worth about half what they are asking. Not that the Mustang is a peach, but at least you can drop the top.

Tetanus pony for the win here.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
4 months ago

Thanks for (rightfully) breaking the thin ice of nostalgia.

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
4 months ago

Yeah, the V8 in the Monza is a tight fit in there. When the steering shaft runs so close to the engine as to make spark plug access a nightmare, one wonders what other joys await during the inevitable repairs.

For 125 horses? Ehhh, suffering per horsepower is probably less miserable in a slightly better packaged Fox-body.

Last edited 4 months ago by My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
TOSSABL
TOSSABL
4 months ago

I had completely forgotten the Town Coupe Monza. I still voted for it because I have ridden in an early 80s Mustang convertible. The twisting was visible every time you entered a driveway at an angle…

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
4 months ago

Is that Monza with the vinyl top and opera windows the nadir of Malaise styling? Could be. My brother had a ’76 Sunbird, and it was perhaps the most forgettable car ever in the family stable, despite his efforts to tart it up. I’ll take the Mustang.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
4 months ago
Reply to  Flyingstitch

I think it would need curb feelers and maybe a Continental kit to reach peak Malaise. And maybe speaker extensions in the back window—like those organ pipe ones from JCWhitney

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
4 months ago

a floppopotamus droptop fox with the only front-end I truly hate. It may be ugly, but at least it handles bad!

I’ll take the Monza and breathe some life into the mouse motor.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
4 months ago

I had a buddy with an ’85 Mustang LX convertible, and good golly was the chassis like wet spaghetti. I don’t mind a Fox body, but I will never own a convertible one. The Monza isn’t the best version, but I’ll take it over the Mustang.

El Jefe de Barbacoa
El Jefe de Barbacoa
4 months ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Needs a welded tube steel roll cage, Mad Max-style.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
4 months ago

Foxbody. Usual formula, cage and a junkyard Coyote swap.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
4 months ago

I have to believe there are better Monzas (or Pontiac Sunbirds, or Buick Skyhawks, or Oldsmobile Starfires) out there than this one. That vinyl roof looks as wonky as Torch’s battery replacement technique.

Besides, I need a fastback in order to create a DyKon IMSA Monza tribute.

Deathspeed
Deathspeed
4 months ago

Monza all the way. You still see Mustangs of this vintage on the road because there were so damn many of them, but when was the last time you saw someone driving a Monza? Plus I have always been partial to the Monza/Sunbird notchbacks.

A. Barth
A. Barth
4 months ago

But it solved the Vega’s most glaring shortcomings, and in certain trims, actually looked pretty cool

Not this trim, though – oof. Anyway…

Monza, please!

Give it a 350 crate engine, some transmission work, and an LSD and this would be pretty interesting. Add a fun vinyl wrap to cover the paint and replace the wheels with Centerlines just because. It would be a fun go-for-ice-cream ride.

James Thomas
James Thomas
4 months ago

I’ll take the Monza! It would just be too much fun to hot rod it. I’m already thinking about which 4bbl carb and intake I’d buy, and of course, headers! That car is a whole lot of fun, just waiting to happen.

Alexk98
Alexk98
4 months ago

Mustang, because then at least I’ll have a base I would give a crap about.

Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
4 months ago

Monza all day, fantastic opportunity for a sleeper build.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago

A V8 Monza is rare, and even with 125hp, it’s faster than it looks. A better 350 would cost almost nothing and make it faster still.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

Ventura Highway, in the sunshine
Where the cars stay longer
And this Mustang’s stronger than Father Time
You’re gonna go, I know

‘Cause the free wind is blowin’ through your hair
LA haze surrounds your daylight there
You’ll be flying, no despair
Convertible wizard in the air, in the air

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

It took a lot of acid for America to come up with lyrics like that.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

No doubt purchased from Sister Golden Hair Surprise after a long ride on a horse with no name.

Last edited 4 months ago by Canopysaurus
Along with Martin, Dutch Gunderson, Lana and Sally Decker
Along with Martin, Dutch Gunderson, Lana and Sally Decker
4 months ago

A kind-of-similar Buick Skyhawk was my first car in high school, so I want the Mustang. Plus cheaper. Plus convertible. I can fix the rest.

Vee
Vee
4 months ago

Monza. Mini malaise, maximum mellow. Also, when’s the last time you saw a padded opera roof car that hadn’t devolved into rust?

MY LEG!
MY LEG!
4 months ago

Maroon Monza for maximum malaise.

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
4 months ago

Mustang because there is almost limitless support for the Fox platform. It is a blank canvas and you can find aftermarket support for almost anything you can dream of.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
4 months ago
Reply to  IanGTCS

My reasoning too. I’ve long suspected that Ford will soon offer an actual Fox body-in-white (like it did with the classic body) so you can literally build your own from the ground up if you desire.

Drive By Commenter
Drive By Commenter
4 months ago

Foxy! Convertibles are inherently cool. Yes there’s no V8 but that’s an easy fix. With one this ratty, going wild with a nifty dip color and cheap V8 makes total sense. When it gets boring, strip the dip and sell it. It’s a Fox-body Mustang, someone will want it.

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