Welcome back! Today we’re looking at two vehicles that don’t have much in common except similar prices and similar odometer readings. Which one has enough life left in it to be worth it? That will be up to you.
We started this short week out yesterday with a pair of front-wheel-drive V6s, and I knew from the start it wasn’t a particularly fair comparison. Wagons and manuals both pull in lots of votes, and when you combine them into one car, whatever else is there doesn’t have much of a chance.
I’m kind of torn, myself. The Passat wagon would undoubtedly be the better car to drive, but it’s about one era of VW too new to be of any interest to me. I’d rather have a Quantum Syncro wagon than an early Passat. The Eagle Premier is a more intriguing car, but I imagine it’s not very exciting to drive. So for a conversation piece, I’d take the Premier, but for a toy that can double as a weekend stuff hauler, the VW wins.
We’ve looked at a lot of clean, low-mileage cars in the past on here, but the prevailing wisdom is that a car can have too few miles on it. Parts age, whether they’re in use or not, and a car that has been sitting around doing nothing is less likely to have had its maintenance kept up. High miles mean that someone used the hell out of a car, but also that they did what was needed to put those miles there, or else it wouldn’t still be running. These two fall into that category; let’s check them out.
2003 Toyota Tundra – $3,900
Engine/drivetrain: 3.4-liter dual overhead cam V6, five-speed manual, RWD
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Odometer reading: 238,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
Toyota conquered the small truck market in America by building nearly-indestructible little beasts of burden, but the full-size truck market was still dominated by American brands. Toyota’s first attempt to crack into that market was the almost-full-size T100, which sold well to Toyota fans but hardly put a dent in Ford, Chevy, and Dodge’s bottom lines. Its second attempt, the Tundra, has had more of an impact, but it’s still not nearly as common as its competitors, especially in long-bed work-truck form like this.
This is a base-model Tundra, with a single cab, a bench seat, and a 3.4 liter V6 engine mated to a five-speed manual. This engine has a good reputation for reliability and durability, like many Toyota engines, and it’s no surprise that this one runs like a top at well over 200,000 miles. It has a new clutch, and the air conditioning works, always a nice bonus on an old work truck like this.
Most Tundras you see are either extended-cab or crew-cab trucks, with shortened beds to make room for extra passenger capacity. But this one has a full eight-foot-long bed, just like other full-size trucks. The ability to carry standard 4×8 foot sheets of building materials may not seem important – unless you’ve ever needed to do it. Being able to close the tailgate with a stack of plywood or sheetrock in the bed is a really useful trick.
Someone, somewhere along the way, went to a lot of trouble (and expense) to apply those flames to this truck; they’re painted on. And on the side where they’re intact, they look pretty cool. Sadly, parts of them have been obliterated by a rattle-can repair job. My guess is that this truck started out as someone’s toy, then got pressed into service as a work vehicle by a second or third owner, and the damage just piled on.
2009 Mazda 3 Grand Touring – $3,700
Engine/drivetrain: 2.3-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: San Francisco, CA
Odometer reading: 237,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
The Mazda 3 (I can’t bring myself to type it as “Mazda3” with no space; it looks wrong) was the replacement for the 323/Familia/Protege range and a continuation of the blurring of lines between Mazda and Ford’s small cars. Honestly, I can’t keep who designed what straight, but I suppose it doesn’t really matter. It’s a good little car, and that’s enough for our purposes here.
This is the fancy “Grand Touring” version of the 3, powered by a 2.3-liter version of Mazda’s MZR four-cylinder, which was called the Duratec by Ford. It’s a durable and reliable engine; this one with 237,000 miles on it is not at all uncommon. We don’t get a whole lot of details about its condition beyond “runs excellent” and “passed smog,” but that’s a good place to start.
It has a pretty flashy interior for a 3, with heated leather seats and a bunch of other toys. There’s a cheap seat cover on the driver’s seat; with this many miles, I imagine it’s pretty worn under there. The rest of the interior looks good, though; my guess is that this car was used for commuting almost exclusively, so only one seat was ever really used.
And it’s a hatchback, which is the good-looking variant of the 3. The sedan was always a little gawky-looking. It’s nice and clean outside, and since it’s a California car, I wouldn’t expect the rust troubles that plague Mazdas in other climates.
Both vehicles have good reputations for lasting a long time, but nothing lasts forever. I think, and I imagine at least some of you will agree, that the asking prices are a little steep for cars with such high mileage. But as I have said before, I don’t set the prices; I just report ’em. Just for fun, though, let’s play a little game in the comments. Pick the vehicle you want, and post your best offer for it, based on its condition.
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
Mazda in a heartbeat – but maybe not this one.
Too many miles for the price
I have a 2005 Tundra Access Cab 2WD w/V8, and even though that has the V6, a full bed and a MT would be hard to pass up. That said, the price IS a little steep for its condition…I’d offer $2900, see what sticks.
As a Mazda fan and owner – i say Mazda 3! I owned an 07 GT and it was a good car. I put 180k on it before trading it in and it still ran and drove great.
I like both, but will take the Yoda since I want a truck- would like it for $3K but a reasonable offer would be $3500. That Mazda sure looks clean and fun though
Mazda 3 for $3k
Hard pass on that Toyota truck. Unless you really need that 8-foot bed, it’s an unpleasant experience. And it doesn’t even look nice.
Nope.
I’d replace the seat with a junkyard or eBay special and keep it rolling with the Mazda 3. I’d just make sure it wasn’t rusty anywhere.
I had a 2008 Mazda3 hatchback in college (and beyond) from 2009-2015. Drove it from 12,000 miles to 80,000. It was great. The amount of stuff I could fit in it with the backseats folded down was astounding, and it was fun to drive as well – even more so once I and some friends put Eibach lowering springs on it and a MazdaSpeed 3’s exhaust. I miss that car to this day, but its diminutive size was not conducive to child seats and those were a necessity once I got married and my wife and I decided to start a family. I now have a Mazda6, which was the logical size upgrade. I love my 6 as well but I’ll always have a soft spot for the first-generation Mazda3.
I’ve owned both of these, still own the Tundra.
My 2005 Mazda3 hatch went 220K, but was real worn at that point. This one’s in CA, so probably doesn’t have the severe rust issues my Ohio car did, and maybe wasn’t abused by teenagers in its final years. Still, at that mileage I’m skeptical about how much life is left.
My Tundra is a 2001 access cab TRD V8 and it’s at 320K and mechanically is fantastic. I have no doubt it’ll see 400K if I want.
My vote is Tundra.
I know it’s overpriced, but today I decided to pick the vehicle I’d actually want to have on my property. I don’t need a five door hatch, I have a great one already.
That little hauler, OTOH, could come in handy (especially if I mounted a trailer hitch) and wouldn’t cost a fortune to register and insure, so why not.
If I had to DD one or the other it’d be the Mazda all the way, though.
I already have a half ton truck. The Tundra would be a decent workmate for some people on a budget, though.
So Mazda 3 it is
Mazda easily.
Questionable mods to the Toyota, and I’m very wary of many of their truck frames being prone to rust.
Well, this one’s a no brainer. Definitely going for the 3!
I’ve past and currently owned both, and ultimately I sold back my 2007 Mazda 3 hatch. There isn’t a day that goes by that I miss that car.
If the Toyota’s price started with a “2” instead of a “3” I would’ve picked it. But the Toyota Tax is too high for that well-worn Tundra, and the Mazda still looks to have a good amount of fun left in it.
Man, this is another tough one.
The Mazda looks super clean and all of my experiences with Mazda 3s have been great, including my wife’s current ownership of one.
That said, the opportunity to buy a full size, reliable truck with an 8’ box for that price is rare, so I went for the Tundra.
I wouldn’t call the first-gen Tundra full-size, either by contemporary or modern-standards. It was kind of a tweener (3/4-size, not to be confused with 3/4-ton?), but that worked for a lot of people.
I voted for the Mazda because it feels a little closer to the value of the asking price (yet not quite). I think the Tundra has the Toyota tax added to be so expensive at that condition and mileage. If we’d gotten it after the flame-painting owner, it’d be worth a little more, even.
I had one of those Mazdas in nearly identical spec (no heated seats) and it felt like it was on its way out at 160k, always felt like it was made out of foil and papier mache, and was only good to drive if compared to a Corolla. The ’12 Focus platform mate in as identical spec as possible that I replaced it with was better in every way. Terribly overrated, but at least this one isn’t rotted. I guess I could use a beater truck more than a bland old hatchback.
Mazda – $3200.00
This is definitely a ‘both’ kind of day. The Tundra and the 3 are both solid choices – it really depends on your use case.
That seat cover on the 3 brings up a question for me, though. So many of the high mileage cars we see on the Showdown have absolutely trashed driver’s seats. How does this happen? I’ve had a few high mileage vehicles – one topping 400,000 km – and I’ve never had leather or cloth get torn up. What are people doing to the seats? Squirming around in chainmail pants? Wrestling porcupines?
It’s almost like some people have an anxious/nervous tic where they pick at the seat cover when driving, or something like that. I’ve had a couple of cars over 300k and the seats were shiny with wear but fundamentally undamaged past a crack or two. After a crack or two, I always went to seat covers, so that’s probably where they start deteriorating quickly?
I came here to vote Tundra, but was easily swayed by the comfort and fun of the manual 4-door hatchback. $3,000 takes it home.
The Mazda is in better shape, and what most people need, but of course Mazda is prone to rust even in California.
Toyota also had problems with some of their truck frames, but those were replaced under recall, and rustproofing will help those too…
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I voted for the Mazda, even though Toyota trucks are awesome.
Mazdas weren’t built in a factory. They were grown in a field from little piles of iron oxide. They eventually form a layer of paint, then at maturity a layer of duct tape, bondo and primer.
Today is kind of a why not both day, but the Mazda is in better shape. My wife had an ’06 sedan, which I thought was lovely, and it was a great little car. I’ll have the Mazda.
Random question, is anyone else having trouble with the video following? For some reason the box it’s in is larger and it’s damn near impossible to hit the X button.
Same!
It happened to me, I just refreshed the page and moved on.
First time happening, though….
Can’t go wrong here, but I went Mazda just because I don’t like driving trucks, but today is definitely a good day to have a both option.