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How Nissan’s Pride And Inability To Accept Reality Reportedly Killed The Honda Merger

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It seems Nissan cannot get out of its own way. If the first step is admitting you have a problem, the second step might be admitting how big of a problem you actually have. Nissan, as a company, seems incapable of doing this. A new report says this is one of the big reasons why the Nissan-Honda deal fell apart, though Honda has a part in this as well.

If the Honda deal is, in fact, dead, then it’s Foxconn who is likely to swoop in, though only as a friend. The “Foxconn in the henhouse” joke is right there if someone wants to take it.

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Auto executives have tried, it seems, to be deferential to President Trump, and gave his inauguration committee a bunch of money. This doesn’t mean they’ll all hold their tongues. Ford CEO Jim Farley was clear yesterday that a long-term tariff against Mexico and Canada would be good for a lot of America’s competitors and bad for America.

Well, it wouldn’t be good for all European automakers. I’m not sure what Porsche would do.

Nissan, Unfortunately, Nissans It Up

Nissan Pride And Prejudice
Source: BBC

I had such high hopes for the Nissan/Honda/Mitsubishi “Three Amigos” graphic. I thought that a Honda and Nissan partnership had a lot of promise. Honda is doing well as a company, in large part by successfully pivoting to hybrids and not over-indexing on EVs. Nissan did the opposite and is doing poorly.

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Yet, Honda still remains small relative to the big global players (Toyota, GM, Stellantis, Hyundai-Kia) and could use more help. Nissan just flat-out needs a rescue. None of its brands are doing well in the United States, and the company as a whole has had to reduce its estimates of future profits by 70%.

Even worse for Nissan, Renault (the company’s French ex) still holds a decent chunk of Nissan shares it got in the divorce. Renault’s interest here is, first, to get a great share price and, second, to not inadvertently create a bigger competitor for itself in Europe. In fact, the whole reason this is happening at all is because the Japanese government found out that Taiwan’s Foxconn was talking to Renault about maybe buying its shares in Nissan (the current head of Foxconn’s auto unit is an ex-Nissan exec).

Confirming what we all suspected, a big report from Reuters says that the deal fell apart because of Nissan’s general intransigence. Honda, according to the report, thought that Nissan’s plans to cut jobs were too vague and too slow. Specifically, Reuters says that “Nissan’s pride and insufficient alarm about its predicament” helped sour Honda on the whole idea.

To make things worse, Nissan execs reportedly didn’t seem to want to fully close any plants or reduce its EV ambitions, including a new EV facility on the Japanese island of Kyushu. The report implies that the continued pursuit of Kyushu put a bad taste in the mouth of Honda CEO Toshihiro Mibe. Why would Nissan be averse to closing plants or touching Kyushi?

Reuters could not determine whether Mibe’s move was triggered by Nissan’s announcements in Kyushu. Nevertheless, the Kyushu trip crystallized the tensions between the companies over the best way forward.

Kyushu was not the only plant that Nissan considered untouchable. Smyrna in Tennessee, Aguascalientes in Mexico and Britain’s Sunderland were all seen as critical to the company’s EV strategy, and the automaker did not want to close them or reduce their lines, one source said.

Nissan needs the company to be as valuable as possible in order to justify not being subordinate to Honda. Renault needs Nissan to be valuable to extract the highest share price, as mentioned earlier. Honda, reportedly upset over what it saw as Nissan’s inability to move quickly, just decided to tell Nissan it would only accept a deal where Nissan was basically a sub-brand of Honda.

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Whether or not this was a poison pill is unclear, but Nissan clearly balked.

Was that a good move? One analyst that Reuters talked to doesn’t think so:

“I think it’s a management problem,” said Julie Boote, analyst at research firm Pelham Smithers Associates, about the turmoil at Nissan. “They are completely overestimating their position and their brand value, and their ability to turn around the business.”

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“They do not have a realistic view of what’s happening in the auto industry and what really needs to happen with Nissan.”

What happens to Nissan next? It’s possible the company does manage to turn it around, though I don’t see what the path is.

Foxconn Is Here For You, Baby

Foxconn Lordstown
Source: Foxconn

You may know Foxconn as the Taiwanese company that makes iPhones. Or, maybe, as the company that now owns the old Lordstown, Ohio facility that was once a GM plant, and then a Lordstown Motors plant, and then a Foxconn-owned plant that was going to make Fiskers.

Either way, it has played this Nissan business quite well. First, reports say it spooked Nissan into an almost-merger with Honda by talking to Renault about buying Nissan shares. And, now that this deal has fallen apart, Foxconn is in a position to swoop in and be the good guy.

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Here’s how the company is playing it, according to Nikkei Asia:

The chairman of Taiwan’s Foxconn said Wednesday that its aim is “not acquisition but cooperation,” confirming that his company had discussed Renault’s Nissan stake with the French car maker, Nissan’s largest shareholder.

Chairman Young Liu made the remarks to reporters at an event held at the company’s headquarters in the suburbs of Taipei, according to Central News Agency of Taiwan.

Liu expressed his wish to cooperate with Japanese automakers, including Nissan, through the design and manufacturing of electric vehicles on a contract basis, and his company has no plans to have its own automobile brand. Liu also said that he expects to have good news within a month or two regarding the EV business.

That is smooth. Knowing fully now that Nissan is afraid of a takeover, Foxconn can offer “cooperation” and soothe Renault by implying it isn’t going to make its own car brand. Will this end with Foxconn buying a lot of Nissan? Possibly!

Tariffs Would ‘Blow A Hole In The U.S. Industry That We’ve Never Seen’ Says Farley

Jim Farley Ford
Source: Ford

Ford CEO Jim Farley says out loud what everyone in the industry seems to believe, which is that a long-term 25% tariff on goods that cross into America from Canada or Mexico wouldn’t end well for most carmakers.

Farley is going to D.C. to talk to politicians, and here’s his warm-up act, via the Detroit Free Press:

While Trump has talked about strengthening the U.S. auto industry, which would be a signature accomplishment, “So far what we’re seeing is a lot of cost and a lot of chaos,” Farley said.

“Let’s be real honest: Long term, a 25% tariff across the Mexico and Canada borders would blow a hole in the U.S. industry that we’ve never seen,” Farley said. “Frankly, it gives free rein to South Korean, Japanese and European companies that are bringing 1.5 million to 2 million vehicles into the U.S. that wouldn’t be subject to those Mexican and Canadian tariffs. It would be one of the biggest windfalls for those companies ever.”

This does make sense to me. Generations of Republicans and Democrats, including President Trump in his first term, have encouraged companies to build cars across the border. This sudden reversal will, at least in the short term, be good for Japanese and South Korean automakers who have a bigger footprint in the United States and in their home countries. The same is probably true for European automakers like BMW and Mercedes.

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That doesn’t mean all European automakers would be winners.

Porsche Would Take A Big Hit From An Anti-European Tariff

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Source: Porsche

Volkswagen and, in particular, Porsche, are stuck trying to balance out competing messages from China and the United States. Complicating matters for Porsche, as Bloomberg reports, is that it doesn’t make any cars in the United States.

Could Porsche just shift production here? Ehh…

Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume can ill afford the major investment that moving production around would require. Porsche is falling further off track from targets floated when the company staged one of Europe’s biggest-ever initial public offerings in 2022. Its return on sales will slump to as low as 10% this year, half of what management once touted as a long-term target.

That downbeat outlook sent Porsche shares tumbling 7% on Friday to a new low since the IPO. At €50.8 billion ($52.4 billion), the company is now worth less than half its peak market value in May 2023.

Good luck with that one.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

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I don’t know why, but “Paradise by the Dashboard Light” by Meatloaf with Ellen Foley is the perfect song for February 12th. Just trust me.

The Big Question

If you’re a car CEO and you can build a plant anywhere in the world, where do you do it?

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Jules Rosen
Jules Rosen
1 month ago

But nobody seems to realize because that’s all the commenters are talking about is that the tarriffs are there for a reason, well over 100,000 Americans die each year from drugs. But none of the commenters have solutions

Jules Rosen
Jules Rosen
1 month ago

At least in the US Mitsubishi and Honda would make a great team as Mitsubishi has very few dealers few and far between. They need more locations and more models to sell.

I don’t know enough about the rest of the world but it certainly would be good to see stronger automotive companies to compete against the Chinese

Andrew Bugenis
Andrew Bugenis
2 months ago

I could see Nissan not budging on a new EV plant, and it’s odd for Honda to see that as a deal-breaker. Honda needs a home-grown EV and Nissan’s EVs are their probably most unique product.

Ultradrive
Ultradrive
2 months ago

If you’re a car CEO and you can build a plant anywhere in the world, where do you do it?

Northern Ireland of course. What could possibly go wrong?

Charles Christine
Charles Christine
2 months ago

“I think it’s a management problem” applies to 90% of all problems.

Citrus
Citrus
2 months ago

One things for sure, there is no way in hell I would be building a plant in North America.

If I’m honest, my BF and I are contemplating the next car and I just wrote off the entire continent. The supply lines are too integrated, if this bone-headed plan goes through the cars are going to be way more expensive. The raw materials, the parts, all tariffed, sometimes at multiple points, hell he’s trying to get away with 50% tariffs on steel.

The model we’re considering is made completely off continent. From a purchase and service perspective, I’m not willing to touch something made here until heart disease finally does us a solid.

Jules Rosen
Jules Rosen
1 month ago
Reply to  Citrus

Yes because getting spare parts is so easy from everywhere else

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago
Reply to  Jules Rosen

I’m not going to have to suddenly pay an extra 25-50% (if not more) for them.

Last edited 1 month ago by Citrus
Dodsworth
Dodsworth
2 months ago

Ellen Foley never got enough credit for belting her guts out on that song. What’s it gonna be, Boy? Yes or no?

Myk El
Myk El
2 months ago

If you’re a car CEO and you can build a plant anywhere in the world, where do you do it?”

Let me think on it. I’ll give you an answer in the morning.

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
2 months ago
Reply to  Myk El

“I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW!” – The tariffer-in-chief

John in Ohio
John in Ohio
2 months ago

I know Foxconn as the scummy corporation that has to have suicide nets on the sides of their buildings and that they royally screwed over the state of Wisconsin. Screw that company.

Last edited 2 months ago by John in Ohio
NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
2 months ago
Reply to  John in Ohio

Did the screw Wisconsin? That seemed more like a self-own…

Charles Christine
Charles Christine
2 months ago
Reply to  NosrednaNod

Why not both?

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
2 months ago
Reply to  John in Ohio

Every corporation’s end goal is to maximize profits by screwing over their employees & customers. The only thing standing in the way is laws & regulations, but when those don’t exist, then you end up with sucide nets in China, and Wisconsin setting their money on fire for Trump & Walker’s photo opp.

Last edited 2 months ago by SarlaccRoadster
Jules Rosen
Jules Rosen
1 month ago

Every corporation as a responsibility to return profits to Capital shareholders, there are plenty of good responsible companies, you probably just don’t work for any

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 month ago
Reply to  Jules Rosen

Sacrificing any amount of profit for the sake of responsability? There’s no such corporation. (We’re talking publicly traded, not mom&pop corner shops)

B P
B P
2 months ago

If we’re framing the Nissan-Honda talks as Pride and Prejudice, then Nissan is definitely the Mr. Collins to Honda’s Mr. Darcy.

George CoStanza
George CoStanza
2 months ago
Reply to  B P

I could see Mr. Collins driving a clapped out Altima, maybe upgrading to a Rogue once settled at Lady Catherine’s. Either way, something with the JATCO CVT.

Crank Shaft
Crank Shaft
2 months ago

A certain person is going to declare victory and not put those tariffs in place because they don’t want their TV ratings to go down.

I think this was a smart move on Jim’s part. Give a public warning without sounding like you’re challenging directly. He set a trap wherein it makes it look like he (not Jim, that orange thing) would be helping non-white countries, which as we know, is verboten. Remember that everything is ego and ratings driven. Everything!

An ego trip if you will, whose destination is always changing because its path is determined by a mindless mob. Q Anon anyone? Remember that lunacy? It’s an angry mob hell bent on revenge for grievances both real and imagined.

That’s what’s happening and the only hope people like Jim have is to put up signs and hope they are heeded. Very smart move IMO.

Last edited 2 months ago by Crank Shaft
Tbird
Tbird
2 months ago

So, the beneficiaries will be foreign companies that built non-UAW facilities in right to work states. The losers will be the Big 3 who instead offshored production to Canada/Mexico, and their remaining UAW plants as well. Yep, seems to track.

ImissmyoldScout
ImissmyoldScout
2 months ago

I hear that there won’t be any issues with Red, White, and Blueland (formerly known as Greenland)…

Tbird
Tbird
2 months ago

That is the absolute most asinine concept I have ever heard, yet I fear things are just revving up. Idiocrasy.

AllCattleNoHat
AllCattleNoHat
2 months ago
Reply to  Tbird

Two weeks from now it won’t even rate in your top ten…

Hillbilly Ocean
Hillbilly Ocean
2 months ago

Somewhere in Trumpistan.

Whatsanautopian
Whatsanautopian
2 months ago

jasonia seems to be fairly stable, and the taillights we’ve got designed will certainly please their great leader.

workers will not be pleased when they find out they’re paid with…very large coins, apparently?

Tbird
Tbird
2 months ago

I fully support rear amber turn lenses. May I immigrate?

Whatsanautopian
Whatsanautopian
2 months ago
Reply to  Tbird

anyone with that attitude is certainly welcome!

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
2 months ago

Try the cholent mit banana leaves! Don’t forget the Carolina BBQ sauce dipping cup!

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
2 months ago

How about Sealand? No way THAT can go wrong, no siree!!

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
2 months ago

There’s only one answer.

We’re gonna reboot the Bricklin plant and Make St. John’s New Brunswick Great Again!

MSJNBGA hats are in production now in anticipation of this obvious move.

Strangek
Strangek
2 months ago

I dunno, somewhere on the Gulf of America probably. It seems nice down there.

RhoadBlock
RhoadBlock
2 months ago
Reply to  Strangek

Eh, it’s the Atlantic Ocean’s toilet bowl. Between the red tide, flesh eating bacteria, and hurricanes, it’s not as nice as you think.

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