The conventional wisdom in the automotive industry over the last couple of years has been, roughly, the following: Japanese carmakers exist mostly to sell cars to Japan and America; American carmakers exist mostly to make trucks; Tesla is the only EV automaker outside of China that’ll ever make money; Chinese automakers will destroy markets when let out of China; and most European carmakers are doomed.
I’m not sure, ultimately, that any of this will end up feeling correct in a few years. The Morning Dump will take a Slate-ian turn today and will act, to some degree, to counter some of the conventional wisdom of the day. And I’m going to start with Renault, the 19th-century automaker that’s kicking a fair bit of tuckus here in the 21st century.


And it’s not like Tesla is doing all that well, anyway. Managers seem to be worried that the boss’s extracurricular activities are hurting day-to-day operations. It’s always good to question the boss, which is how Nikola employees might have avoided the company’s recent bankruptcy (though, maybe not). Nikola, it should be remembered, was valued higher than Ford Motor Company at one point.
Mercedes is a European automaker that’s not doing so hot, sure, so maybe not all conventional wisdom is wrong.
Renault Had A Record 2024

The automaker we now think of as Renault was founded in 1899. If you’re not good at math, that’s a long time ago. That’s 104 years before Tesla came to exist. That’s 12 years before Chevrolet and four years before Ford. What I’m saying is: the company is old. Given all the upheavals in the automotive industry, you’d think a French car company that’s partially owned by the French state would be doing quite poorly right now. For Stellantis, that’s undoubtedly true.
Renault, though, is knocking it out of the park. It’s not a huge park, right? It’s not launching one over the wall in right at Wrigley Field. They don’t play baseball much in France, so let’s just say it’s knocking a tennis ball over the stands at Roland Garros Stadium. It’s still pretty impressive!
It’s also an apt metaphor, as Renault, especially sans Nissan, is mostly focused on Europe and a few other regional markets. Renault doesn’t sell cars in the United States and, very much unlike its competitors, it doesn’t have a huge amount of exposure to China. It makes a range of affordable cars and trucks mostly for Europe, European adjacencies (Turkey, North Africa), and Brazil.
So far, this has turned out to be a remarkably good strategy for making money. Renault reported its earnings for the fiscal year 2024 (ending in March 2025), and the Renault Group earned record profits of $4.49 billion, ahead of its own forecasts. Perhaps even more importantly, the company managed a strong margin of 7.6%, which was also ahead of its own targets.
How’s it doing this?
“Renault Group continues to improve its operational performance, execute its strategy and deliver on its targets. 2024 was an important year with the first benefits of our unprecedented product offensive. This performance is the result of an in-depth transformation of the company driven by a remarkable collective work. We have turned Renault Group into a much more flexible, efficient and performant company.”
That’s CEO Luca de Meo talking to investors. If you ignore the corporate-speak translated into English, the core of it is that the automaker does three things quite well:
- Develops and produces cars efficiently, allowing it to make cheaper vehicles in a profitable way.
- Has the ability to adjust its product and production mix to meet consumer demands/tastes.
- Is building highly desirable cars for important segments in Europe.
Renault Group, now that Nissan is mostly out of the picture, consists of just three companies: Renault (including its Korean offshoot), Dacia, and Alpine.
At the bottom is Dacia, which makes the affordable versions of Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi/Dongfeng platforms like the Dacia Spring (one of Europe’s cheapest EVs) and the excellent Dacia Duster subcompact crossover. Renault, the bigger brother, has the slightly nicer and usually more expensive versions of these platforms. Alpine, my favorite, has the sporty cars.
It’s a logical way to organize a modern automaker. Additionally, Renault seems to be the rare modern automaker that’s balancing both a strong hybrid lineup with extremely desirable electric cars like the Renault R5 E-tech.
Renault’s production is also split mostly between Europe (France, Spain), South America, South Korea, and Northern Africa. There’s also a huge production facility in Turkey, which has been beneficial to the automaker this year, as the exchange rate (the Turkish lira is down relative to the Euro) has been very much in Renault’s favor.
Can this last forever? An EU-American or a Chinese-American trade war would only help Renault, as the company largely sells inside Europe and outside of those zones. While an EU-American trade war might delay the launch of Alpine in the United States, it’s possible Europe ends up with better terms in future negotiations.
The company has warned of some potential issues, specifically around the EU’s emissions requirements. The company said it expects a margin of around 7% due to the impact of C02 restrictions and the potential need for the company to buy credits or pay penalties. It’s possible the EU delays some of those requirements.
Overall, Renault is the one traditional automaker that seems to be getting it right. Of course, all of this is relative. Its margins aren’t as high as Ferrari and it doesn’t sell as many cars as Toyota or Tesla. Renault, now that it’s not part of an alliance with Mitsubishi and Nissan, is just highly focused on making the right mix of cars for a smaller market, which isn’t a bad place to be in an uncertain time.
Renault is growing, maintaining or improving margins, balancing hybrid/electric platforms, and largely avoiding trade disputes. Few large automakers can say they’re doing two of those things, let alone all of them.
Tesla Managers Afraid ‘Elon Is Destroying Everything We Have Built’

What’s a non-judgmental and apolitical way to talk about Elon Musk? It’s hard. I don’t really have one.
The best I can do is let Tesla managers in Germany talk through the German business outlet Manager Magazine:
One person involved describes the state of mind of many executives as saying that they used to be proud to work for Tesla. “Now they are ashamed.” His fear: “Elon is destroying everything we have built.” According to another insider, practically no one in the management circle doubts that Musk is causing massive damage to Tesla. And it is completely unclear how to get out of the misery – or “if they will get out at all.”
Why would execs be so upset?
Musk comes by sporadically, say top people, puts the team in a rage, sometimes fires managers or even an entire team – and then disappears again. At Tesla, they call it pigeon-style management: “Fly in, give people a shit and fly off again.”
[…]
They also long dismissed the right-wing agitation that Musk vents on his network X as the “eccentricity of a billionaire”. But that is now over. Ever since he openly supported violent neo-Nazis in Great Britain, since he raised his right arm twice in a row as if in a Hitler salute at Trump’s inauguration and agitated at an AfD election campaign event in Germany just days later , there has been “constant chaos” in the company. A Tesla manager says that “sheer horror” is spreading.
I gotta remember “Pigeon-style management” as that’s a very German way to put it.
Tesla is still the envy of automakers, even as its sales are suffering. The question we’re not going to get an answer to, at least not concretely until the end of next quarter, is how much of Musk’s extracurricular activities are eventually going to hit the company’s bottom line.
Nikola Files For Chapter 11 Bankruptcy

There was a minute there when EV/hydrogen startup Nikola, which went public via a SPAC, was worth more than Ford Motor Company based on its public valuation. A lot of that had to do with GM tentatively agreeing to produce the company’s Badger pickup. If there was a peak of EV hype it might have been this moment.
Quickly thereafter, a short-seller investigation revealed that most of the claims by then-CEO and founder Trevor Milton were false. Milton was tried and convicted of fraud. In spite of everything the company did manage to produce and sell about 600 of its semi-trucks.
Now the company is filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection with the hope of selling the existing assets. From Freight Waves:
Nikola has filed a motion seeking authorization to pursue an auction and sale process under Section 363 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. The proposed bidding procedures, if approved by the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, would allow parties to submit binding offers to acquire Nikola’s assets free of the company’s debts and certain liabilities.
“Nikola intends to market and sell all, substantially all, or a portion of its assets and effectuate an orderly wind down of its businesses,” the company stated. Potential buyers could include both strategic and financial investors.
During the sale process, Nikola plans to continue limited operations, including certain directly provided service and support for trucks currently in use, as well as some HYLA hydrogen fueling operations through the end of March. After that point, the company says it will need partners to support these activities.
It’s not clear who a buyer might be.
Mercedes To Cut Production As Earnings Drop

Mercedes-Benz Group saw a 30% drop in operating profits last year, which is probably not going to shock you if you’re a regular reader of The Morning Dump. The company once commanded large margins for its luxury cars, reaching 12.6% in 2023. Last year? It was just 8.1%. This year? The company says it could hit a low of 6%.
A lot of this is rising costs, exposure to China, and the general weakness of Mercedes in Europe and the United States. So what’s the company going to do about it?
Mercedes will reduce the capacity of its German plants to about 900,000 cars from around one million. There are no plans to close plants in Germany but jobs will be cut through natural attrition.
Kallenius would not say how many jobs could be affected in Germany.
Mercedes plans to shift production of one of its compact cars from Germany to its plant in Hungary, where costs are 70 percent lower, CFO Harald Wilhelm said.
It will also outsource areas from finance and human resources to procurement, he said.
It’s a wild world where Renault seems like it’s doing better than Mercedes. As one analyst noted:
“We continue to liken Renault like a card player that may not have necessarily been dealt the strongest hand, but is squeezing and maximizing every point or trick,” Bernstein analyst Stephen Reitman wrote of the company in a report published in October. “It is proving that size alone is not a prerequisite and that speed and agility count for much as well, lessons that many of its larger peers seem to have forgotten.”
Damn, now I want to play cards.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
In honor of Saturday Night Live‘s incredible 50-year run, here’s Elvis Costello and the Beastie Boys doing “Radio Radio.”
The Big Question
What’s your favorite Renault/Dacia/Alpine product?
“I gotta remember “Pigeon-style management” as that’s a very German way to put it.”
Matt, way back in the Big 3 OEM days, we used to call it seagull-style management: Fly in, make lots of noise, eat everyone’s lunch, shit all over the place, and fly out.
While I worked for and with a lot of characters, none were as despicable as this POS.
So, they gave a point away?
(Peanut Gallery) How old is it??!!
Give a shit translates a bit differently when the Germans use it.
ChatGPT results for:
10 satirical acronyms for DOGE aimed at mocking Elon Musk:
I wonder what xAI would generate?
Dacia Jogger. Before it, Dacia Logan MCV, the station wagon; the first one had barn-style doors!
Renault…? Dauphine, 8 Gordini, and 1st gen Twingo. R5 Turbo. Clio V6 also, I guess… although I’d like a Clio Williams for a daily driver.
I would drive the hell out of that little green Renault hatch. I ignored the rest of the news becuase I’ve done enough doomscrolling for today, by 12:30.
Renault:
Dacia:
The last rebadged first-gen Logan currently made (not for long, I’ve heard) is the Nissan NP200 in South Africa. There may be some Iranian Tondar remaining but it’s doubtfull as I do not think they recreated all the parts locally like for the Peugeot 405 and 206
Gotta be the Duster. Just a no-nonsense, dirt cheap crossover. None of the engine options they offer would be suitable for the USA, but I’m sure Renault has something available that would have ample power. Maybe the hybrid option at 138 combined horsepower would be ok.
Drove a Duster in Iceland. Brown diesel manual crossover. 3 out of 4 ain’t bad!
I’m sure the ones with the HR13DDT would suit perfectly for the US. It’s got about the same power as a Chevy Trax, Nissan Kicks and the like
Clio V6. End of debate.
What’s your favorite Renault/Dacia/Alpine product?
In my opinion the Dacia Jogger is as close to the perfect petrol family car as possible.
Alpine A610/GTA. More 80’s than Molly Ringwald wearing checkerboard Vans.
Dacia Sandero, Renault 5 Turbo, and the old Alpine A110 (the new one is nice too).
Anecdotally I see a lot of Renaults from Mexico (some of which being rebadged Dacias), so that tracks.
You may recall that about 3 years some SpaceX employees expressed the same sentiment that their boss’ extracurricular activities were hurting the company in an open letter. Instead of taking that feedback positively, those employees were fired. NLRB alleged those firings violated employees’ rights. SpaceX responed by suing the NLRB. This incident is what turned the tide for me when it comes to my opinion of Musk. Before that I largely was indifferent to him and wrote off some of his behavior due to being an awkward nerd. But this showed me how cruel, petty, and vindictive he could be, and obviously that was just the tip of the iceberg. At this point I kinda think he’s bored with the car company and just doesn’t care anymore. He’s got bigger fish to fry. We are the fish.
Ha, this is happening again as we speak. In 2024 the NLRB filed a complaint against Tesla for interfering in a union drive at their Buffalo, NY plant.
Today the GSA acting on behalf of DOGE has ordered the cancellation of the 5-year lease of the lease of the building that the Buffalo NLRB is in with no warning and they now have 90 days to vacate. Unbelievable.
Henney Killowatt (electric Renault Dauphine)
Later rebranded as the “Tiffany Mark V” to clear out the final stock of NOS leftovers in the ’70s
We always called them sea gull managers. They see something shiny, shit all over it, do some incoherent squawking, and fly away.
Seagulls are the vandals of the avian world so I prefer the term, although it would be interesting to see how pigeon management sounds in the original German.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if Elon tried to steal my lunch, frankly.
We called it the “swoop & poop.” Walk by critiques that added no value.
I love this!
We had a Renault 4 when I was a kid, but I don’t particularly remember it, I was too young. But the Renault 5 we had after was a great family car. We all loved that thing. I wish they sold Renault here, because a lot of their smaller cars would be great to have. If they sold tacos, I would defintely buy some
The Germans are able to feel shame about Musk because they actually learned history.
As a German, I think you are absolutely right here.
Did they, though? The far right is doing very well in Germany right now and they welcomed Apartheid Adolf with open arms
Oh, they aren’t without issues. But they at least have the ABILITY to feel shame. That doesn’t mean there aren’t lots of vile people living there.
Renault is doomed. Where are there investments in autonomous driving technologies? Where is their subscription business? They don’t even have a luxury brand. Sheesh. /S
I didn’t even see the word “mobility” once in that transcript, very concerning
EaaS – Enshittification as a Service.
Oh, allow me introduce you to ‘Mobilize‘, Renault Group’s little-known fourth brand!
I was always more familiar with Segull management vs pigeon management, where a leader flies in, makes a lot of noise, dumps on everyone, then flies out again, leaving others to deal with the poop left behind. (usually this is said with saltier language)
This is how I’ve heard it before too, mostly said about my previous CEO.
I’ll have to use that one…I’ve mostly heard of it as Mushroom Management… everyone is kept in the dark and crapped on.
I am not familiar with Alpine, but after looking at their website, I now want an A110. That is a great looking car.
I reviewed it last year: https://www.theautopian.com/the-alpine-a110-is-a-lightweight-miracle-and-a-stunning-piece-of-car-design/
today’s Renault lineup: Kwid
00s: Kangoo
90s: the 3rd gen Espace, followed by the Twingo
Seriously they need to sell the Renault 5/Alpine A290’s here.
I think the slightly bigger 4 is even more promising looking (not that they’re aesthetically similar, but I think it’s what I thought the Ioniq 5 was going to be rather than the much larger thing the Ioniq 5 is).
They should sell both here, kick Kia right in the Soul with the 5 and take on the 5 with the 4. And what better to take on the Nazi running Tesla than with La Résistance
I don’t know where Elon’s going. I’ve been a fan since the Ashlee Vance biography and bought stock early (since I couldn’t afford their cars). I still have enormous admiration for his accomplishments. Say what you will about “he never invented anything” but Tesla and Space-X simply wouldn’t be the companies they are today without him. Sure tons of engineers actually built the things but they didn’t do it without his capital and willingness to take risks that others weren’t willing to take.
But since his balking at the covid lockdowns, Biden completely snubbing his contributions to EVs on multiple occasions, his reaction to his daughter, and his infamous purchase of the worst echo chamber on the planet he’s taken a pretty solid right turn. For years I’ve been saying I’d never want to work for the asshole but I also wouldn’t bet against him and would love a Model 3 Performance if I could afford one. The awkward wave ended that, I wouldn’t want to be seen in one now and I’ve started selling my shares. I don’t get where he’s going with this though, my friends and family on the right will never want an EV no matter how far alt-right Elon goes and now he’s completely alienated the left.
Cars shouldn’t be political but I guess they are now.
On the other hand… he is attacking the national debt, which is neat.
It frustrates me when business leaders go political, but I low key don’t blame Elon for swinging right due to how the left mistreated him.
Well he says he is, but he’s surrounded himself with yes men and is reporting to someone who only surrounds himself with yes men so I’m suspicious of how much actual waste he’s finding vs misidentifying. The COBOL issue last week is entirely possible.
I had the displeasure of rubbing up against COBOL in the Navy. I can tell you right now, if you do not define the date it will default back to the 19th century(God knows why). I remember it being 1880, rather than 1875, though. But that’s 20+ years ago so forgive me if my memory is off.
Also yes women.
Like so many things in life, the ‘what you do’ can be totally boinked by ‘how you do’ something.
Image the US Government is fat with spending. DOGE seems to be lobbing off extremities to lose weight at the expense of reduced capabilities to do necessary things later.
I can stop spending money too. I’m gonna make my house great again with a leaky roof and keeping the heat off all winter.
The guy became the wealthiest man on Earth under democratic leadership. If that’s mistreatment, sign me up.
Dude was never a democrat, and he was never even remotely close to a leftist. Like he did donate some money to Obama and Hilary, sure. But he donated more to various Republican Pacs/Bush/Various conservative stuff while also doing that.
Dude was also never going to be fulfilled unless he got the keys to the front door of White House. Donnie from Queens is/ and will always be a sucker for buying Elon’s stick. Elon and his crew of Friends of Carl Yervin just found their stooge who’s foolish/ lazy enough to let them run the show. Literally anyone the Democrats had and most Republican’s would have never given Elon this level of power. Because why would you want to become a back seat driver in your own administration?
Elon is at his core an opportunist; Donnie was an opportunity. Elon’s wacky political beliefs transcend are modern two-party system.
Except they’re NOT attacking the debt. They’re “cutting waste” in preparation for 4.5Trillion in tax cuts for the wealthy. They never gave a rat’s ass about the debt.
The benefit for Leon is that he gets to gut all the regulatory agencies that his companies have run afoul of.
Go read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis. It’s an interesting view into Trump entering his first turn in office. Our government is so big and complex, Elon can’t simply spend 5 minutes in each department, declare that he “found waste”, and move on. These departments are tasked with so much that you wouldn’t believe, and shutting one down, or drastically cutting its funding, will have ripple effects that people wouldn’t believe.
Of course there is overspending/waste that can be cut back, and we should do that! However, it’s not something that “a businessman” can do like the flick of a switch. And we shouldn’t be letting some unelected, unvetted individual loose on this stuff. Something will break that no one is ready for, and everyone, including Trump’s most ardent supporters, will be up shit creek without a paddle. And half-ish of the population will only be left with an “I told you so.”
I’ve always thought that governments should not be run like a business. It doesn’t exist to make money or provide shareholder value, it’s there to make sure things are taken care of, and that accountability for various things exist
A functional government is like a really good IT department. It feels invisible and everything just seems to work fine…that is, until some cost-cutting-happy manager wonders why they’re paying so much for the IT team, outsources their jobs and suddenly everything breaks
During Trump’s last term, it was all about the post office. I’m sorry, but it’s the United States Postal Service, not Business. The service is there to provide a necessary part of life. Sure, one could make the argument about how necessary that service is at this point in history, but that doesn’t change the rest.
The government is there to provide the services the private sector either can’t or won’t.
The private sector can sort of do that though, I mean, the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Belgium, Portugal, and Japan all have privatized postal services
Lots of other countries operate theirs as a government-owned corporation that functions as a business but has one shareholder, which is sometimes a larger state-owned investment company or wealth fund.
The United States is the weird one in that ours is neither fully a business nor fully a traditional government agency, it’s in a sort of invented limbo state between the two
And how are all of those privatized postal services doing? I know in at least a few of those countries the service has gotten markedly worse and more expensive. It’s also important to point out that all of those countries you listed are more prone to regulation than the US, which keeps the excesses of capitalism in check.
The following countries have their postal systems structured as for-profit corporations, but which remain wholly owned by the government as the sole shareholder, either directly or at arm’s length through a trust or state investment fund or holding company
Latvia
Hungary
Ireland
Norway
Finland
Albania
Armenia
Austria
Georgia
France
Czech Republic
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Estonia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Moldova
Montenegro
North Macedonia
Poland
Romania
Serbia
Slovakia
Spain
Switzerland
Ukraine
Taiwan
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
In addition, the governments of Denmark and Sweden merged their postal services into a joint venture company that serves both countries, San Marino’s postal service operates as a subsidiary of Italy’s publicly traded privatized postal company, and Monaco’s postal system is owned as a subsidiary of France’s state-owned postal corporation, and Singapore should be on the list of ones that are fully privatized
The United States is the weird one out, in having a system that was sort of partially turned into a for profit corporation, but then stopped halfway, leaving it a bizarre middle ground as neither a normal government agency or a corporate enterprise, the halfway thing is the central problem, things would function much better it was fully one or the other.
Is he though?
The federal payroll is a very small part of the annual Federal Budget, just over 5%. So while it gutting these agencies make for splashy news stories, it is not going to make a big (or any) dent in our National Debt. But I suspect the “splash” is what our two co-presidents want, not actual results. In fact both of them will benefit from the decreased regulation that results with a smaller Federal workforce. It’s easier to cheat, lie, abuse your employees, and steal if there is nobody around to enforce the rules.
Here are some facts:
Annual Federal Payroll makes up about $350B of a $6.5T annual budget, or 5.4%. If you think big progress is going to be made on a $36T debt by attacking a $350B line item… think again. Even if there was zero federal payroll (unlikely) and we magically had a balanced budget, that savings would take over 100-years to eliminate the national debt. Not to mention that our debt is growing by more than $1.5T per year based on current Income (aka: Tax Revenue at about $4.5T) and Expenditures (about $6.5T), so eliminating or shrinking the payroll doesn’t even shrink the debt, it just grows a little bit more slowly by more than $1.1T/year.
I didn’t just make this info up, here are some resources with actual figures about the Federal Payroll and Federal Budget:
https://usafacts.org/articles/the-federal-budget-an-overview/
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/31/nx-s1-5280417/federal-workers-workforce-facts-cuts
TL:DR:
It’s all a show to make it look like he is doing something
“On the other hand… he is attacking the national debt, which is neat.”
No he’s not. He’s firing a bunch of people in a petty vendetta. If you’re department investigated one of his companies….gone! You help those poor people…gone! The amount he’s blowing up is mouse nuts to the national debt. And, the GOP just wants to add to it with more tax cuts for the wealthy. Oh…and stealing a bunch of data in the interim. Yes, just stealing data. I had a 35+ year in large databases. There is no way they can gain access, understand the data model, understand the data and complete an analysis to determine fraud so quickly. This is just a data steal. So….Fuck Elon. Fuck him all the way to Mars.
He’s to attacking national debt, just retaliating against agencies that are investigating/fining him and his companies for violations.
USAID investigating him for Starlink
FAA fining SpaceX $600k for safety violations
etc
He is going right to where he has always been. It is just visible now. He is a stock-manipulating grifter who got lucky. That luck has made him believe his own B.S. to the point he is comfortable overtly supporting fascism.
That doesn’t match with what I’ve read. He was definitely more left-leaning libertarian in the past. Definitely a stock manipulator but credit where it’s due, his wealth is due to more than just luck. He could have retired on his Zip2 buyout or again on his Paypal buyout but he kept risking it all.
The “left-leaning libertarian” facade was just that. He was making nice with his environment. I’m also not sure why one would think there is any credit due to a fascist conman. Luck has a way of looking like thoughtful decisions, and being motivated to become a real-life bond villain rather than retire isn’t an admirable quality.
He was pushed out of PayPal for being a clown. He’s a salesman/con-man that got lucky – nothing more.
This was such an own goal.
I’m not going to go as far as blaming it entirely for what’s happened to him (you laid out several others I agree with) but even if it saved the Democrats 10% of what’s happened since, for the zero cost it would have taken to acknowledge him, it’s one of the worst political mistakes of all time.
Definitely, Trump didn’t so much win this last election as Biden repeatedly tried to lose it.
***The shell of Biden
*****The unelected staffers propping the shell of Biden up
He didn’t try to lose it, the whole administration went farther out of the Venn diagram of “acceptable” than they thought. Whether you agree with that push or not isn’t the point. But…now that the rubber band has been stretched out? Here is where we find ourselves.
Here you are again struggling to cover for the open Nazi Musk by suggesting he would have magically stayed out of politics if Biden had just been nicer to him.
Perhaps Biden would have been nicer if Musk had not spent years being openly hostile to unions and worker safety. Do you think throwing workers under the bus just to appease Musk would have been the right thing to do?
Do you think some petty resentment of Biden cause him to fund German neo-Nazi political parties? Did he disown his trans daughter and start attacking the rights of trans and gay people because Biden wasn’t nice enough to him?
I know – maybe Biden should have let him run ram-shod over the whole goverment illegally accessing data and firing people without authority? That would have gotten his support for sure.
Considering what’s happened since, and how union workers have voted in recent elections, the obvious answer is yes.
I would have happily sacrificed every single pro-union initiative by the previous administration if it would have prevented Trump’s election and Musk’s elevation to whatever role he is now.
Contrary to what you seem to think of me, I don’t support Elon Musk in our government, and I think pointing out a counterproductive move by Joe Biden that may have led in some part to him being involved is important.
I genuinely have no idea how anyone can read your comments and come to the conclusion that you’re MAGA and/or an Elon stan….not to mention all you said there was that Democrats shot themselves directly in the dick, which is objectively their favorite thing to do.
The last two days, I’ve found out that expressing any of the following sentiments in the comments make me Literally Hitler:
-Vandalizing other people’s property or wishing death and injury upon their person is bad, no matter what you think their political views are.
-Discussing said vandalism and bloodlust in the comment section degrades the experience of this place.
-Purposely and uselessly antagonizing rich and powerful people risks them using their resources to hurt you politically.
It wasn’t long ago that I thought all of these were fairly uncontroversial!
Heathen!
While I’ve been guilty of it at times I do think antagonizing the rich needs to be more nuanced. The neurosurgeon making 7 figures? Not a problem, in fact it’s probably a good thing, since it incentivizes incredibly smart people to attend an ungodly amount of school to hone highly specific and valuable skills. Someone who has a local business they built and is a millionaire? Unless they’re selling heroin or arming extremist militias overseas, good for them. Someone who makes it to a pro sports league and makes millions? They had to work their ass off for that, they have a limited window to earn that much that can close instantly, and if people are buying the tickets to see them they deserve a slice of the pie.
While I consider myself a socialist (the social democracies of Scandinavia are pretty much my platonic ideal of government) none of the people I listed are enemies. The enemies are the billionaires cosplaying as Lex Luther, buying our politicians, hoarding inordinate amounts of resources, etc. as well as the people who protect them for a comparatively tiny sliver of the rewards.
And you know what? I don’t even think that’s controversial either. I know multiple non MAGA conservatives who agree with me. Class consciousness should be for everyone, including the people you don’t agree with. Honestly I wish more people on my side of the aisle understood this.
Anyway I’ve gone on a rant again but for what it’s worth I always enjoy talking about this stuff with you and being able to have these conversations is vital to getting our country back on track. Weirdly enough I think a lot of the more libertarian leaning folks (this is how I read you, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) and the left have a ton in common, to me it feels like MSNBC liberals and the MAGA crowd are who tend to ruin things for everyone else.
Just blindly throwing accusations like “you’re a Nazi!” or “you’re a communist!” around takes the weight out of their meaning…and that’s not a good place to be either because those words have strong negative connotations for a reason.
That’s why I was careful to add “uselessly”.
Billionaires and rich people shouldn’t be above criticism, nor should we necessarily shake in fear at the prospect of them spending money on their preferred candidate.
And I’ll once again say that I don’t by any stretch blame the descent of Musk from 2020 til now on the EV summit alone. At most it’s a small part.
But it was a petty stunt, it did make him mad, it didn’t accomplish anything positive for Democrats, and it was a mistake. I think we agree on that.
I’m just saying that the Lex Luthor plutocrat types would do well to remember that the French Revolution culminated in fun with a guillotine…and we still know how to make one of those…and they can’t stop all 300 million of us.
Sandero. Next question.
Musk is too easy a target around here, but I will objectively say I’ve never seen a company in my lifetime where so many billions of dollars of market cap was tied to one human being’s comments and reputation. Let that sink in the next time companies talk about people being expendable. It’s the other side of the coin. My personal mantra is avoiding Cults of Personality. I didn’t even buy my first Apple product until Tim Cook took over. It’s just a thing.
Tim Apple.
His name is Tim Apple. /s
I can respect that stance. I’m still not a fan of Apple’s products but by all measures Tim Cook seems to be a MUCH better human than Jobs was. Jobs’ Walter Isaacson biography was pretty damning but his daughter Lisa’s book about her childhood with and without him was much more revealing. She didn’t write it as a hit piece either, you can tell she loved her dad but dude was an absolute monster.
You are calling Jobs an “absolute monster” after earlier making excuses for and defending Musk’s behavior?
I have made no excuses for Musk’s behavior, I have simply acknowledged some of his accomplishments, accomplishments that I do not believe would have happened without him. If you’ll reread my comments more carefully you’ll also see that I’ve called him an asshole and have changed my opinion of him. For a while his accomplishments outweighed his quirks but I no longer believe that. I’m capable of changing my opinions of a person as I learn more about them, hopefully you’ll do the same for me.
I’d been interested in Dacias because, you know, cheap! But I’ve been told by a family member who’s a mechanic that they’re really cheaply made, and probably don’t last long.
Mind you, he’s got something bad to say about every car, unless it’s a (OG) Mini.
Dacias are simply made but not particularly failure-prone. Outside of the Spring, these are Renault platforms and Renault engines (technically the Spring too has a Renault Kwid platform, but it’s not one sold in Europe). Actually when the first Logan was launched back in the 2000s, Renault was in a bad moment in terms of reliability and people bought Dacias because they had old engines and lacked the electronic gizmos, and so were considered more reliable.
Yeah, same with Disney, frankly. Their PR organization seemed to work overtime to build Eisner and Iger’s public images into modern counterparts to Walt, when the company really shouldn’t require a charismatic spiritual leader like that anymore
Unfortunately for Disney, the brand, those two were simply Financial Leaders, doing what they thought was best for their own (and shareholders’) pocketbooks (their own stock options, mainly) and not the long-term health of the brand that was once led by an artist (spiritual leader) and that made timeless art.
Not a fan of when business leaders become super political in either direction. Just produce a good that benefits consumers.
I kind of thought Musk’s elevation to High Chancellor of the United States might have some unintentional benefits to Tesla, resulting from him becoming preoccupied with other matters and having to leave the day to day operations to others. I think it’s been clear for awhile that, while Musk clearly worked out pretty well during the early startup phase, he probably isn’t the right person to continue to lead Tesla as a mature automaker, even without his extracurriculars being taken into account.
He’s also been pretty upfront about his boredom and lack of motivation to continue running a car company, which would have the board of any other car company moving to find a new CEO, but Tesla operates more as a cult of personality than as a real company
That might explain why the indicator stalk is making a comeback in the updated Model Y.
Personally I think JB Straubel would make for a much better CEO for Tesla.