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How Screwed Is The European Car Industry?

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This morning’s volume of The Morning Dump will be a little different. Rather than break down the day’s news into a bunch of smaller, partially interwoven stories, I’m just going to tell one big story in an effort to answer the question: How screwed is Europe’s car industry?

There’s a lot of chatter and teeth-gnashing about the death of Europe’s car industry, which feels a little premature given that most European carmakers are still making money and still selling a lot of cars. Is the future of Europe’s car industry one of immediate collapse, eventual decline, or merely cyclical disruption?

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Buckle up folks, we’re in for a long ride.

Europe, And Especially Germany, Are Freaking Out A Bit

Volkswagen Plant Wolfsburg, Golf Production
Source: VW

Your perspective on what is happening in Europe will be colored by your pre-existing notions of the world and, perhaps, by how many people (or bots) you follow on Twitter who have blue checkmarks next to their names.

The extreme bear case for Europe is that the continent (particularly economic powerhouses like Germany and France) is simply not built for the new world. They are old-fashioned carmakers making old-fashioned cars, and they’re not able to adjust to the new EV-centric building environment because of large structural issues.

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If you want to fully understand this view, there’s a long thread from investor David Galbraith on Twitter in which he lays out the case, but the key bit is below (quoted, because embedding all these Tweets now is annoying):

Industrial production is obviously about making things. But it is no longer about making industrial era things. Cars are a great example here. as although EVs look the same as the type of cars that Germany produces, the way they are produced and their business model and margins are totally different.

The economic model of these large industrials is based on the, ‘them and us’’, industrial era social pact between workers and owners and mimics the state itself. Industrial workers are unionised and get defined benefit pensions but there is no shared ownership or options pools and all profits go to the top, often family dynasties.

Over time, these companies become more like a family owned pension funds rather than a manufacturer. They are highly resistant to change, structurally, so they can only innovate within the existing paradigm, not for expertise reasons (BMW management went all in on electric a decade ago, but the unions pushed back) but structural ones.

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EVs, on the other hand, are digital era products. Their margins come from batteries and software. Asia has control of the entire battery supply chain and Asia and the US have control of the software one. Europe is nowhere. The German, French and Italian car manufacturers are like Nokia, post smartphone.

If you accept this scenario, it’s difficult to see a future for European carmakers who lack both the software expertise and the battery expertise to be successful. Certainly, the Volkswagen investment in Rivian is more proof that big automakers struggle with software. After spending billions on its own software unit, Volkswagen has partially given up and will instead install Rivian-based software in some of its future vehicles (and Apple software in other ones)

Facing a lot of pressure and crashing operation margins, VW just demoted its CFO Patrick Andreas Mayer and promoted Seat CFO David Powels in his place. From Manager Magazine:

[T]he numbers for the VW brand had gotten out of hand. When the operating return on sales in the first half of 2023 landed at an unsatisfactory 3.8 percent and the forecasts continued to point downward, brand boss Thomas Schäfer (54) and finance manager Mayer had set up a profit program: an additional 10 billion euros were to be needed to secure a return of 6.5 percent in 2026. Schäfer and Mayer also found what they were looking for. But it took them a good six months to get started; there were fierce negotiations with the employees and, not a good signal in the Volkswagen empire, the search for the billions was critically monitored by the major shareholders and supervisory boards of the Porsche and Piëch families.

Indeed, the old families play a big role in European automakers. For VW it’s Porsche and Piëch, and for BMW it’s the Quandts. For Fiat and Stellantis it’s the Agnellis. Daimler (Mercedes) and Renault are the outliers, here, though Renault has a considerable state investment so that might not be any better.

The unions in Germany are not pleased with Volkswagen’s threat to start closing plants to try to fix their problems. Here’s a fun anecdote from an opinion piece in The Guardian this weekend titled: “An ‘earthquake’ at Volkswagen – and a crisis for Germany?” that summarizes the mood at a meeting between workers and leadership:

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Workers unleashed their collective anger, unfurling banners and chanting protest slogans, among them: “We’re Volkswagen, you are not.” For about 20 minutes, according to eyewitnesses (media were excluded from the hall), the din from the chants and whistles prevented the bosses from speaking. Instead, they stayed behind a long table, stony-faced, looking a little embarrassed. Dressed in open-necked white shirts and dark jackets, their summer tans appeared to have faded in the bright lights and the frosty atmosphere.

“We are short of around 500,000 car sales a year,” VW’s financial chief, Arno Antlitz, reportedly told the hall. That, he said, was the equivalent of production from two factories. “It’s not to do with our product or poor performance. The market is simply not there any more.” He gave the company “one or two years” to turn the situation around. Experts estimate that VW has about 20,000 employees too many.

Oliver Blume, chief executive of Volkswagen Group, might have been a father addressing his family at the dinner table as he told the employees in no uncertain terms that the company had been living beyond its means – drawing an estimated annual €1.5bn from its cashflow for around 15 years – and that things would have to change. He compared the situation to a “family kitty” which “by month’s end is empty”.

I love that little bit about “summer tans” fading under the bright lights. If you’ve never worked with Europeans you might not know that, somehow, it feels like the entire leadership of every company goes to Ibiza or Mykonos or wherever for all of August.

Either way, things are not good. This is a lot of text, so here’s a graph from the ACEA, which is the trade group for the European car industry:

Euro Car Registrations

Those are EU car sales for the overall car industry, and you can see that sales have risen a bit since the pandemic, but it’s not the kind of huge growth that carmakers might want. If we’re looking just at Volkswagen, the company was quite profitable last year, with $24.5 billion brought home, albeit on revenue of around $350 billion. This year, profits have dropped, but costs have remained stubbornly high.

A lot of these companies have made a lot of money selling cars in China, so a downturn in European car sales isn’t that bad, right? Right? Well… European (particularly German) automakers have been struggling in China, where car sales have dropped for five straight months. The companies that are succeeding in China are either Tesla or homegrown electric carmakers like BYD.

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It gets worse.

European automakers are racing to make more efficient cars because, in the grand scheme of things, if you believe that a slight increase in global temperatures is a risk to life as we know it on this planet, then who really gives two sausage-y craps about the operating margin of any company? I can’t prove that anyone in the leadership of any of these companies actually believes in the existential threat, but it doesn’t matter because European lawmakers do and are going to charge automakers for exceeding C02 limits, and the results could be million or billions of dollars in fines.

The theory that the government (and automakers, and the media) had, was that EV adoption would accelerate and that all the EVs would offset all the gas-powered cars. That didn’t happen. So either automakers can lose more money paying fines on cars or, simply, just make fewer gas-powered cars, thus losing more money…

That’s basically what Renault CEO Luca de Meo said this weekend in a radio interview:

“If electric vehicles remain at today’s level, the European industry may have to pay 15 billion euros in fines or give up the production of more than 2.5 million vehicles,” de Meo told France Inter radio.

“The speed of the electric ramp-up is half of what we would need to achieve the objectives that would allow us not to pay fines,” de Meo, who is also president of the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA), said of the sector.

In theory, European carmakers could import cheaper EVs from their Chinese partners but, again, the European Union has put large tariffs on Chinese imports, making that harder (and potentially making Britain a prime spot for Chinese cars).

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Looking at all this information it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that European carmakers are uniquely screwed.

I don’t entirely agree. First of all, there was plenty of hand-wringing about Toyota and its future, and Toyota just had its most profitable year ever. That’s not to say that Toyota is a perfect company — it isn’t — but its exposure to the United States has been a huge benefit, and its forward-looking view of hybrids has helped it survive a downturn in China and questions about domestic demand in Japan.

Second, this idea that electric cars are “digital” products and so simple that they don’t need a ton of suppliers or traditional dealers has been disproven many times. All electric cars rely on numerous Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 suppliers. Even Tesla, as we discussed last week, relies on suppliers or partnerships with other companies for batteries for its most popular vehicles. BYD is probably the most integrated company as it builds its own batteries, but BYD also uses dealerships. Few new automakers have been able to be truly successful without some sort of dealership, making Tesla more the exception than the rule. Also, Fisker was premised on the idea of cars being “digital” products and, yeah, it didn’t work out so well.

The world of carmaking is way more complicated than can be summed up in a thread and, while things look bad now, European automakers have a lot of safety valves.

Third, as Tesla disrupted the world so, too can Tesla and Chinese automakers be disrupted. European and Japanese automakers are investing heavily in solid-state batteries which, if they actually work, could help reduce the stranglehold that China has on EV production and fundamentally alter the value structure of new cars. The same can be said for hydrogen, e-fuels, or even just a smart model for making a very affordable and nice EV.

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And, finally, all of this hand-wringing isn’t a bad sign. Many of Europe’s carmakers, high off of pandemic-era profits, are facing a grim few quarters. Their approach to EVs has been mixed, their ownership/production model is challenged, and traditional money-printers like China (and even the United States) are under attack.

They should be freaking out! Then they should do something about it. Carmakers, unions, and leaders will need to decide exactly what the future looks like and will have to make some hard choices. They’ll also have to attract more Chinese auto production (as they’ve done with Leapmotor in Poland and BYD in Hungary).

Where should Europe look? America! For all of our problems, of which I’d rank Justin Verlander’s pitch location near the top, we’re not doing so poorly. Early on, the government, under the Trump Administration, decided to keep Chinese-built EVs out of the country. This helped relieve pressure on domestic automakers to adapt.

While the Inflation Reduction Act isn’t perfect, it’s helping get more people into electric cars by continuing to make them more affordable and, even better, is encouraging a lot more domestic battery production. We’re still far behind in charging infrastructure and cost, but companies like Ford and GM have a lot more breathing room to get to a sustainable future. We, too, have increasingly tough C02 requirements, but we also make huge allowances for hybrids and PHEVs.

The EU is going to have to decide what it wants: More domestic production? Cheaper electric vehicles? Higher C02 allowances? More hybrids? They’re tough choices, but it’s not like Europe has no choices.

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What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I miss Whitney Houston. What a galactic talent. Also “Didn’t we almost have it all?” just felt appropriate this morning.

The Big Question

How screwed is Europe, on a scale from the Chicago White Sox to the New York Yankees?

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Brett Morris
Brett Morris
2 months ago

Sure feels like your posts have a tinge of climate change denier to them.

Agc9e
Agc9e
2 months ago

Big shock the investor thinks unions are to blame…

Tinctorium
Tinctorium
2 months ago

What us gearheads tend to miss in the conversation around the software defined vehicle is just how vital optimized software and their respectively optimized modules are just for making an EV that works; the drive for software is necessitated by how EV technology works combined with the requirements we place on our cars. This whole idea that you can make an “analog” EV by simply plugging in a motor and a battery in place of an ICE engine and fuel tank is hogwash.

You have to have a software handshake between just to fill up an EV and be reliably sure that the car and/or the charger doesn’t go up in flames. That alone should be enough to tell us that we are dealing with something entirely different.

The other part that people underestimate is a) just how much money and time building GOOD software takes especially for a vehicle application and b) just how shit legacy car makers are at building software despite cars having computers in them since the 70s.

Do you want an EV where you have to carry around a notebook and calculate your efficiency and projected range on the fly? Because that’s pretty much what an “analog EV” looks like.

In summary, the Cariad fiasco is the $5billion canary in the coal mine and the German legacies are screwed.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago

“How screwed is Europe, on a scale from the Chicago White Sox to the New York Yankees?”

Given I have no sense whatsoever of anything sportsball I’ll say: grapefruit?

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
2 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

European or african?

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

Australian

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
2 months ago

“How screwed is Europe, on a scale from the Chicago White Sox to the New York Yankees?”

I’m a European. That scale means nothing to me.

I do know that two years ago I framed a picture of the last internal combustion engine I’d ever design bits for, and started designing EDUs (the bit of EVs that isn’t batteries or software or all the bits that are shared with ICE cars).

Lots of exciting work going on with EDUs.

Exciting isn’t the right word, I mean whatever the word is that means both important and dull? Lots of engineering work going on with EDUs? Yeah, that.

Now I’m back to designing bits of ICE again, because there’s still a market for it.

Regardless of who makes our cars the actual continent, and most of the people in it, will be just fine. So on a scale of Lidle to Waitrose I guess we’re Tesco.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

“Exciting isn’t the right word, I mean whatever the word is that means both important and dull?”

Lessee:

Lots of fundamental work going on with EDUs.

Lots of very, very basic work going on with EDUs.

Lots of wonder bread and unsalted butter work going on with EDUs.

Lots of fuck it but it almost pays the rent work going on with EDUs.

Lots of God I wish I could subcontract this crap so I could go back to watching porn and cat videos work going on with EDUs.

Lots of not exciting whatsoever work going on with EDUs.

This is fun!

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
2 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

There is more variation in Electric Drive Units than there is in Internal Combustion Engines.

It’s just that nearly all of them are quiet so you can’t tell.

Also it’s really dull so no one can be bothered to find out what they have.

Once ICE is dead and we’ve got used to loads of silent torque I’m sure we’ll start seeing blogs about how a truck isn’t really a truck without axial flux and twin-motor torque-vectoring isn’t as authentic as a single motor and an epicyclic diff, or whatever.

Scaled29
Scaled29
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

When you put it this way, it is exciting. I have no doubt that this will happen during my lifetime.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

When the 2014 Chevy Spark EV came out I read one review that hailed its 400 ft lbs of torque motor as “the new small block Chevy”.

Bbenavitz
Bbenavitz
2 months ago

The take away of the EU automotive market for Volkswagen AG should be 1) They have no hybrids (except plug ins) to address the second largest and highest growth segment. 2) They spent $5B on the Rivian alliance when the BEV market has stalled. Both of these facts are why VW is going south and now threatening to close plants. The entire blame falls on senior management and the board of directors.

Myk El
Myk El
2 months ago

I’m gonna say NY Mets.

getstoney VII
getstoney VII
2 months ago
Reply to  Myk El

Max Scherzer Mets, or Keith Hernandez Mets?

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
2 months ago
Reply to  getstoney VII

“I hate Keith Hernandez!”
-Newman
“I’m not driving him to the airport!”
-Jerry

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 months ago

Regarding VW’s Blume saying ““It’s not to do with our product”

On that, I disagree. It is at least PARTIALLY due to your product and how some of them have been horribly unreliable and insanely expensive to fix. And let’s not overlook all the software issues VW had in their new BEVs.

Product absolutely has been part of the problem. Why else are you guys hooking up with Rivian to help you with software and other stuff? Why else is Porsche going their own way? It’s NOT because the product is FANTASTIC.

And it’s NOT because you’re competitive with Tesla.

How screwed is Europe, “

I don’t think they’re screwed at all. The tariffs and other trade barriers will and always have protected their domestic industry.

Carey Rose
Carey Rose
2 months ago

Agreed, re: VW.

“It’s not to do with our product” just reeks of entrenched hubris. I love a good air-cooled VW, and freely admit that plenty of their latest products are great to drive when they work. But I just refuse to buy any vehicle from a company where burning a quart of oil every 2-4 weeks after 50k miles is considered ‘normal.’ And that’s one of the more tolerable shortcomings. I will never purchase a car with capacitive, unlit, essential controls in the cabin. There are quite a few self-inflicted bullets in management’s collective feet IMO.

Frederec
Frederec
2 months ago

My wife and I bought a new car literally a week and a half ago to replace our GTI. It’s gotten a bit old and repairs have been getting more expensive and more frequent as time goes on. In an ideal world, we’d get a fancy new GTI or even an R. However, for a while our mechanic, who specializes in Volkswagens, has been discouraging us from buying VW because of their expense and lack of reliability in recent years.

We should be the perfect mark for VW. My wife is in mourning over no longer having the GTI. But now we have a Mazda (and a rabbit older than the GTI we ditched – that car has been pretty solid since we drove it brand new off the lot and it’s approaching 20 years old).

I know I’m just one random nobody on the internet, but if I’ve gone through this, I wonder how many other people have too. And for me at least, it has nothing to do with EVs or hybrids. This is all pure old school ICE stuff, and they’re notoriously bad at it these days.

Parsko
Parsko
2 months ago

I see it as a few things…

Wages have not kept up with the cost of goods. Simply put.

Automakers went the overcomplicated route versus just swapping out the ICE and gas tank for an electric motor and battery. Both had a potentiometer on the throttle. Both could have the same exact buttons. Neither needs to be self driving.

The design by committee completely skipped an iterative step for the sake of profits, and to chase Tesla. They chose to do this, and now it’s catching up to them.

Oh, also fiduciary rights and corporate stock buy backs. None of this was for you and I, all of it was for the investor, the wrong priority.

Last edited 2 months ago by Parsko
Rabob Rabob
Rabob Rabob
2 months ago
Reply to  Parsko

I suspect all these companies are just using scare tactics to claw back power from their workers. Chinese cars aren’t even for sale in the USA.

Hyundai sells a 300+ mile range sedan with conventional dealers starting under 40k right now and it’s not exactly causing mass hysteria.

Headfullofair
Headfullofair
2 months ago
Reply to  Parsko

VW had the eGolf, which was basically what you’re describing. It was a fantastic car to drive. But other cars had twice the range and more interior room for the same price so it didn’t sell.

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
2 months ago

Europe’s easy growth comes to an end. They just got there first due to demographic pressures and economic realities of the continent.

The wonder of the 20th Century was that humanity progressed in huge technological leaps that also allowed for a consequently huge jump in population. We got so used to this paradigm over the last century and a half (in particular post-WWII) that we accepted that this would continue forevermore and built our societal structures around this thinking.

Until the low-hanging fruit got picked over. Each technological leap became harder to achieve. Someone born under the glow of the first Edison lamp in New York in 1882 and died one hundred years later under a moon that humanity had walked upon a decade prior witnessed an incredible century, both good and bad. Will someone born under the glow of a Commodore 64 in that year witness another such century? I’m betting against it, save for another annus mirabilis in science that upends our thinking.

The second bit is that demographic wave is petering out. From 1.6 billion in 1900 to 6 billion in 1999, to 8 billion today. We just can’t keep up that sort of demand-side growth without negative repercussions though. Indeed, it looks as if the 21st Century will see a peak of humanity’s numbers. Harder playing field for economic growth, if perhaps a good thing for the planet we inhabit.

Which is to say for American and European automakers: Growth is going to be much harder. Nationalism will run deeper as growth weakens. Foreign markets will be harder to crack as the bar rises. In the span of 35 years, China went from backwards auto industry to a relentless exporter to modern (even next generation) vehicles that require tariffs to keep out of industrialized nations.

The developing world? The Japanese aside, who’ve seemingly found a magic touch to get their automotive products just about everywhere globally (see: Toyota), American and European marques have struggled in the 21st century. Not too many modern Mercedes’ are used as taxis like the ones of yore. The American marques retreat from the globe as GM and Ford shutter foreign subsidiaries and China goes for their domestic options.

May you live in interesting times, goes the curse. It’ll be an interesting century.

Saul Goodman
Saul Goodman
2 months ago

“De do do do, de da dada”

– VW leaders

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
2 months ago

To be blunt: the average American and European consumer doesn’t give a straight fuck if their car is “software defined”, “gigacasted”, or whatever other silly buzzword is the flavor of the month among tech writers.

They want cars that have the features they want at the price points they want. Cars to them are a tool, something that should make their life easier not require adapting their life to fit the car. The fact is it’s very hard right now to both produce what consumers are asking for (hybrids and standard ICE vehicles at reasonable price points) and what governments are demanding (PHEVs at least, ideally BEVs no matter the cost).

It’s fashionable on the internet (and certainly among authoritarian apologists) to say that elites run everything and the people have no say even in representative democracies. However, if you anger enough people change does eventually occur. In this case, my money is on the government regulations changing to better match people’s desires. Unfortunately for automakers, this may take a while.

Tinctorium
Tinctorium
2 months ago
Reply to  PresterJohn

Let’s just ignore that every year we get a few more “once in a life time” climate events than we did the last. Just because the average person lacks the critical thinking to connect the dots on how their 30 mile one way commute to an office job in an f-250 king ranch is contributing to the world’s changing climate does not magically make it’s effects dissappear.

Stars shine brightest before they collapse, and we are being blinded by the light to the reality of the situation, clutching onto our mundane conveniences in the face of all reason.

Last edited 2 months ago by Tinctorium
PresterJohn
PresterJohn
2 months ago
Reply to  Tinctorium

The longer you stick with this hair shirt environmentalism where it’s incumbent on every person to give up things they enjoy, the longer we will march down the road to more warming.

People in developed countries will not accept a reduction in quality of life for any reason. People in developing countries want to know why they can’t use the same techniques to develop that others did (i.e. burning fossil fuels). Accept this fact, and you are free to find other solutions.

Technological solutions that don’t decrease quality of life and don’t prevent development are the only way to move forward. We fixed the hole in the ozone layer because getting rid of CFCs didn’t cause a meaningful disruption in the lives of everyday people. Why are hybrids popular now? Because they’re actually better than the alternatives – there are no compromises anymore. Mandating things that the people dislike doesn’t work over longer timescales – you will be voted out in democracies and violently overthrown in other systems.

Guillaume Maurice
Guillaume Maurice
2 months ago

Like Nokia post smartphone.

I beg to differ on that statement.

There’s two Nokia around :
One is a (IIRC) Chinese owned brand that builds mobile and is what what left of the consumer branch of Nokia.And Nokia was making smartphones before smartphones were a thing… before that branch was sold to Microsoft.

The other is a massive telecom company that gobbled Alcatel-Lucent several years ago and is one of the 4 biggest telecom equipment manufacturer. ( the other 3 are Huawei, ZTE and Ericsson, there’s a few other but they aren’t as bg as those 4. )
The fact that this Nokia ( like Ericsson ) has no equipment found in stores ( at consumer level ) make people think that Nokia is an empty husk nowaday. ( and people think Sony bought Ericsson… because that’s how Ericsson sold it’s consumer side, through a joint venture )

Last edited 2 months ago by Guillaume Maurice
Patrick
Patrick
2 months ago

Indeed, and the same can be said about RiM (BlackBerry). They’re not dead despite no longer making devices for the general consumer.

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