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How Will Scout Keep Its Momentum Until 2027?

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In October, Volkswagen’s “Scout” brand pretty much broke the internet with its Traveler and Terra off-roaders. Not only are they gorgeous machines, but they come with some truly epic features like: a range extender (!), a bench seat, a rear-mounted spare, a solid rear axle, a column shifter, and on and on. I consider the Traveler to be, at least on paper, pretty much perfect, which is why I put in a pre-order for one. But now, four months later, I’m a little worried.

I truly believe that, right now in 2025, the American marketplace is ripe for Range Extended Electric Vehicles. Full BEVs are too expensive and the infrastructure — even here in LA — just isn’t good enough. But there are environmental regulations that push for electrification (for good reason), so there’s a bit of tension between what consumers want/can afford and what certain lawmakers want. EREVs help to solve that problem. And — as someone who drives an EREV daily — I can say: They just rule in general.

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That’s why I think the Scout Traveler and Terra have potential to be massive hits; they have the powertrain, they have the style, they have the “customer delight” features — they’ve got it all, so long as they have a palatable price structure.

The problem is that production isn’t starting until 2027. This was done for a few reasons. First, debuting a vehicle before it’s ready allows an automaker to gauge customer interest and make tweaks accordingly. Second, with pre-orders now a thing in the car world, debuting a car early can drum up some cash for development.

The downside, of course, is that you’re essentially showing all of your cards to other automakers, who are absolutely paying attention to how the public responds to your vehicle’s debut, and you’re giving those automakers a chance to catch up. What’s more, just because the public is excited about your machine in 2024 doesn’t mean they’ll still be excited in 2027. The marketplace will change.

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This is something I’ve heard from many friends who were all smitten by Scout when it showed off its two products in October. “They’re epic, but man … 2027. That’s a long way off.”

I keep imagining a world in which Scout had been bold enough to just show its vehicles and say “This is it. I hope you like it, because they’re on sale next week.” I’d be about $50 grand poorer, so part of me is glad the company didn’t do that, and of course I realize that such a debut couldn’t have happened last year given where Scout is in its overall company timeline (it’s still building its factory in a small town in South Carolina). But I’m just concerned about loss of momentum.

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The brand has a cool website with lots of great driving footage of the new vehicles, plus some heritage imagery. Its Instagram page is being updated every now and again, and there are new press releases coming out about happenings at the company and features expected in the vehicles when they do finally hit the market:

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But 2027 is a long way off, and we’ve seen this movie before: VW spent years teasing the ID.Buzz, and that only recently hit the market. I don’t think we have a strong indication of how well that vehicle is selling, but I can say that there’s no better time to put a vehicle on the market than when everyone is most excited about it. And keeping folks excited about the Scout after they’ve been waiting three years is a tall task.

The Ford Bronco showed its face in July of 2020, and the cars were at dealerships in under a year. That’s a typical timeframe between debut and sale, though sometimes delays throw that off. Then, of course, you’ve got Tesla, who showed its Cybertruck in 2019 and started selling it four years later. Clearly there are no hard-and-fast rules, though I’d contend that the Cybertruck didn’t gain from Tesla’s long gestation period, though it didn’t lose much either given that even at its debut it was unlike anything else on the road. Then again, maybe lots of folks squirreled away their money in those four years in anticipation for the truck — not something they could have done without knowing it was on the horizon.

Between the “early debut and plan to buy” and “surprise debut and buy immediately” strategies, I don’t know which one wins out when you run the numbers. My instinct says freshness and excitement win out over being able to plan for a purchase a few years down the line, but in any case, if you’re Scout Motors, the goal should be to keep momentum between now and 2027.

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I reached out to the Scout team about this, and here’s what they told me:

While developing two great American-built products, we’re building our company and manufacturing facility from the ground up, so we certainly have a lot of work to accomplish over the next few years before the Scout® Traveler™ SUV and Terra™ truck are on the road.
We’re excited to meet consumers where they live, work, and play and go on this journey with them. Online and in person, we want to build connections with our Scout community and reservation holders. We’re planning a mix of live events where consumers can see the new Scout vehicles, investing in our online community forum, and sharing stories about the people and processes involved in bringing back an American icon and news about the development of our vehicles.
The initial response to our vehicles and brand is both incredible and encouraging. We’re ready and excited to build on that momentum.

It’ll be interesting to see what percentage of pre-orders are canceled versus actually delivered to customers.

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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
Angel "the Cobra" Martin
3 hours ago

Who saves for a car. Just get a loan with 240 easy payments at $650 per month and BAM, easy peasy lemon squeezy.

SW
SW
3 hours ago

The debt financiers gotta eat!

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
4 hours ago

Almost does seem like they started the marketing buzz machine too far ahead of time…3 years is a long time in car shopping. Of course as cool as these are, the originals were still pretty common when I was first getting into cars and old trucks in the ’90s but I don’t have the budget or desire for a high $$$ 4×4.

Excited to see more REVs, PHEVs etc-as someone who does a lot of driving into the backcountry of rural Washington it would be really hard for me to justify dealing with an EV but if there’s good options the wife and I have agreed our next “family” car should have some variety of electrification.

4jim
4jim
4 hours ago

I spend a few weeks a year off grid in national and state forests and I have the same concerns but that is why I think Scout should show how it can be done with their EREV. If they can show me I can overland for over a week without plugging in and after driving 10 hours and then gassing up before going into the woods then I will be a customer.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
4 hours ago
Reply to  4jim

Yeh excited to see what they do. I’ve always thought the regulations, while well intentioned, that kept REVs from being sold in a useful capacity in the USA were a misstep. For rural driving knowing that worse case scenario I have a sort of limp mode of topping off the gas tank until I can find a charge point-as well as for backroads usage knowing I can still bring a jerry can or two would go a long ways.

4jim
4jim
3 hours ago

Well said. I want an EREV. EV in town and then gas on long road/off-road trips when chargers are not within hours and I can top off a small gas motor from a jerry can.

Horizontally Opposed
Horizontally Opposed
4 hours ago

This is the article I’ve been waiting for, although commiserating won’t help me much. I am in the category that thinks 3 years (i do think it will be closer to 2028) is a small price to pay after drooling after Scouts for about 15 years now. And I am also making a conscious decision to run my current, paid off car into the ground to afford the Scout, so in my case their strategy paid off as I will hold off on another purchase.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
4 hours ago

How will Scout keep momentum? I think they will send people ahead of the release date to survey the automotive landscape as the years progresses and scope out what is trending.

I just don’t know what they’ll call these people.

Horizontally Opposed
Horizontally Opposed
4 hours ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

Travelers obviously. On Terra, because that’s where we live.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
2 hours ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Thank you. 🙂

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Shooting Brake
Shooting Brake
5 hours ago

What’s a Scout again? The internet has taught me to have the attention span of a goldfish.

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
5 hours ago

While I’m wildly interested in these vehicles, I just hope they’re not priced as insanely as the ID.Buzz. Keep them between $50 and $60k, maybe $65 fully loaded and they won’t be able to keep them in stock. $60-$80k? Then the value proposition of a fledgling(although VW backed) brand starts to wane.

Although Rivian figured it out, so what the fuck do I know?

4jim
4jim
5 hours ago
Reply to  TheCoryJihad

I agree with your pricing. I think that if they are significantly more expensive than the hybrid Wrangler Rubicon or hybrid 4runner, they’re shooting themselves in the feet.

StillPlaysWithCars
StillPlaysWithCars
4 hours ago
Reply to  4jim

I mean the hybrid 4Runner can eclipse $70k so I’d hope Scout can be within that range. That’s a whole lot of $$$$

4jim
4jim
4 hours ago

Yes, As can a wrangler. That is why I think Scout with the range extender should be cheaper, even if by a little, than the hybrid Wrangler Rubicon and Trailhunter 4runner.

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
3 hours ago
Reply to  4jim

That’s kind of the base line I was using. The Scout is INFINITELY cooler that the 4Runner, and I say that as a fan of the 4Runner, but all the offroad market has gotten bananas.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
5 hours ago
Reply to  TheCoryJihad

Rivian has a combination of genuinely great products and A LOT of help. They had an ability to blow through billions of dollars in vulture capital bucks and it was a little uncertain if they were going to survive until VAG invested in them. While Scout is also backed by VAG I don’t think they’ll have as much leeway to do the whole “move fast and break everything” approach that Rivian used. We’ll see.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
4 hours ago

Honestly, I think the thing that is keeping/will keep Rivian afloat is their delivery van. Corporate contracts like those are guaranteed income (so long as they can meet the contract quality/production goals), at least compared to how mercurial consumers can be.

Amazon ordered 100,000, and they’re start to sell to other commercial buyers this month.

Horizontally Opposed
Horizontally Opposed
4 hours ago
Reply to  TheCoryJihad

I think the jury is clearly still out on the “figured it out” part.

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
3 hours ago

Okay okay okay….I might have been a little overzealous with that.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
3 hours ago
Reply to  TheCoryJihad

Funny that you mention Rivian because they are ALSO doing a 3+ year teaser with the R3 and R3X.

10001010
10001010
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

I was just thinking this article could have been written about the R3X without changing much. Really hoping Rivian can keep momentum, and keep in business, long enough to deliver that.

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
3 hours ago
Reply to  10001010

Mmmm….the R3X makes me feel some kind of way.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
5 hours ago

Isn’t there an electric vehicle plant in Oklahoma they could buy? Or did Canoo not get very far along with that?

4jim
4jim
5 hours ago

I think Scout needs to get a few vehicles on the road and off the roads. They need some to be on social media. they need them at the overland expos. they need to be seen at Moab and the Rubicon. They need “influencers” documenting adventure travel and overlapping and off-roading all over the country and put that all over social media. Videos of them on long road trips using the range extenders. Videos of people living out of one in the backcountry for weeks without plugging into a charger. That will be worth the effort.

J Hyman
J Hyman
19 minutes ago
Reply to  4jim

True, yet virtually impossible. It’s not as if they can just 3D print a few. Maybe when they get within 6 months of launch?

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
5 hours ago

When it comes to the new Scout, the only thing I’m reserving right now is judgement. Scout has to finish a factory, work through early build problems, and fight what is likely to be a long court battle with NADA before any Scouts hit the road. Can they sustain the early buzz? I think that’s the easiest task they’re facing.

Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
5 hours ago

I think they should do a version of the SUV with a removable top, that being said I’m not in love with that price but it might seem more reasonable in the future when it’s released.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
3 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Elliott

Today’s projected price will probably seem more reasonable when it’s released. Because the actual price will probably be much higher when it’s released.

Ash78
Ash78
5 hours ago

Let’s be fair, though — aren’t almost ALL vehicles 2-4 years between prototype and production? In the past, it would be more like a concept debuts at an auto show, then 5 years later we get a watered-down version that doesn’t have the 26″ wheels and 10-series tires we were promised, and it’s saddled with bulls*t like “side mirrors” and “door handles” 🙂

Today’s social media cycle (and mainstream media, as well) demands a little more meat or substance, otherwise we just call it vaporware.

The older you get, the shorter it will feel to reach 2027 🙂

Noahwayout
Noahwayout
5 hours ago

You really gotta complete the subtitle to this post as seen from the homepage.

“Not only are they gorgeous machines, but they come”

D-dub
D-dub
3 hours ago
Reply to  Noahwayout

They need to revisit their whole subtitle scheme. Previewing the first 15 words of the rambling opening paragraph of the post doesn’t really provide any meaningful information. It would be more useful to have a succint summary in that space.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
5 hours ago

Not a chance in hell I’d buy a first year (or two) of this, so they’ve really got to make it till 2030. Which means I might have bought an R2 or R3X before then…

Ash78
Ash78
5 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

As a Rivian investor and buy-curious potential customer, I have to think they’re seeing some of the writing on the wall and figured out how to squeeze a generator into their cars somewhere. That’s a tough concept when you’re an EV-only company.

I’m really tempted to just take my 50%+ losses and walk away, as sad as it makes me. The current administration isn’t boding well for the near future of EVs (or solar companies, among others).

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
5 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

Look at this guy, who only lost 50% on Rivian.

Ash78
Ash78
4 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

What can I say, I’m like the Warren Buffett of NASDAQ 🙂

I like to joke it would have been just as prudent to have just bought an actual Rivian, then at least I would have had transportation out of the deal…

-99.9% on Canoo. Thankfully that was a pocket change gamble.

V10omous
V10omous
5 hours ago

There’s just no way I could ever trust this given the VW connections.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
5 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I feel similar, but when VW can back the fuck out, success can be had. Just look at Bentley, Ducati, and Lamborghini. All of them manage to keep an arms length away from VAG, and do pretty well. And while Audi isn’t doing great, the real dead weight is Volkswagen (the actual car brand) than Volkswagen Auto Group.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
5 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Porsche is a good example of this as well. Keep em at arm’s length, avoid VW powertrains when possible, etc. Everything Volkswagen touches turns to shit.

V10omous
V10omous
5 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

There’s just no way I see the range extender being anything other than a VW powertrain if they want this to be a mass market product.

It’s great that Bentley and Lamborghini can afford to develop their own engines for $300K vehicles, but that isn’t really helpful here (unless I’m really wrong)

Goose
Goose
5 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Whats wrong with VW’s ICE powertrains? Across the board, they are all pretty dang competitive from a performance/reliability/cost standpoint. The biggest complaint about them lately is that they don’t put higher performance engines in enough stuff, even though they have perfectly good ones that would fit.

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V10omous
V10omous
5 hours ago
Reply to  Goose

My experience (and others’) has not backed up the idea that VW can make a reliable powertrain.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
4 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Would it help your optimism if it only had a single cylinder?

V10omous
V10omous
4 hours ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Odd idea, but I don’t think so.

Let’s see VW make some Toyota-grade stuff for a while, then I may trust them again.

Goose
Goose
4 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

“Toyota-grade” as in need to replace 100k engines due to massive failures? Or replacing hundreds of thousands of frames due to rust? Or regularly replacing transmissions on year old trucks?

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V10omous
V10omous
4 hours ago
Reply to  Goose

How about “Pre-2022 Toyota grade” then?

Rusty frames were obviously not good, but not really the same kind of issue as a powertrain failure.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
4 hours ago
Reply to  Goose

That would still be a step up

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
4 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

While we’d all like to see VW make (peak) Toyota-grade stuff maybe we should set our hopes on something more achievable, e.g. peak Chevy-grade stuff.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
4 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Volkswagen’s 4-cylinders have been very reliable for nearly two decades now. It’s not 2002 any more.

There’s a lot to complain about when it comes to the current state of VW, but I’m not sure power train reliability is one of them.

Plus, I’m not sure Toyota’s power trains (excepting their dated ones, which admittedly are great) is a big bragging point, especially when you limit to what has been getting stuffed into trucks recently.

V10omous
V10omous
4 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree I think.

I’d trust pretty much any other mainstream vehicle with 100k miles to last longer than a brand new VW. Fair or not, that’s the perception they need to fix if they want me to buy a Scout.

Too many horror stories still out there about their modern stuff (Nsane’s lower in this thread for example).

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
4 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

You honestly expect a hybrid Tacoma to last longer (without repair) than a boring ass Jetta S? I’d take that bet every day of the week right now. Sure, maybe in two years when Toyota reluctantly recalls the transmission in the Tacoma… but not right now.

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Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Toyota has been making hybrids for 25 years at this point. I absolutely would trust that over any VAG four popper.

Goose
Goose
3 hours ago

Well, Toyota’s been replacing transmissions in 4th gen Tacoma for just as long as they’ve been making them. Land Rover has been making cars for 70+ years. Chrysler has been pumping out the PHEV Pacifica for 8+ years. I’m not sure just because you’ve been doing something for a long time means it’s reliable. Regardless, I will concede that Toyota’s hybrid system in their non-BOF stuff is probably the most reliable ICE based powertrain on the market today, but boy did it somehow not translate 1-1 when they implemented hybrid systems in their trucks.

V10omous
V10omous
3 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

They are already voluntarily fixing them for free, so yes, without a doubt.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-toyota-tacoma-transmission-replacement-tsb/

Goose
Goose
3 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

So it’s a reliable powertrain as long as you replace 1/2 of it, the transmission? Sounds like the HD Ram guys wishing they could get an Allison from the factory.

V10omous
V10omous
3 hours ago
Reply to  Goose

If I admit that Toyota’s recent efforts in trucks are not up their own standards, does that magically make VW’s powertrains more reliable?

I feel like you guys are grasping at straws from one comment I made rather than addressing the larger point that VW is consistently ranked low for reliability, has been for many years, that their perception at large is bad (google VW reliability and see what you find), and that I’m personally unwilling to trust a VW-powered Scout.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
3 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

The best we can do is then point out the fire laden GR Corolla…

Goose
Goose
2 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I don’t really think their low reliability ratings stem from their powertrains is my big point though. I do agree that they have a perception issue (partially deserved, partially not). Major things like parts availability, parts pricing, general difficulty to work on and therefore repair costs if your paying a mechanic, etc are all things VW could do to try and address the perception issue, but they seem pretty unconcerned with over the past 20+ years (at least in North America). And genuine reliability issues like electronics, crap infotainment, poor integration between electronic systems, etc seem ever present and all make me much more nervous about Scout than the actual engine in it. On top of the fact that VW has traditionally made weird product choices for the US market, but hopefully Scout is separated enough from Germany to make their own calls and avoid that.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
3 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

With a TSB, not with a recall. It’ll get drawn out, the problem won’t get fixed, certain customers will miss a the notification (if one gets sent at all). Just do a full recall already. Properly doing recalls is not Toyota’s strongsuit.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
5 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

I don’t really have an issue with VW’s powertrains. The EA888 is fantastic, as is the aging EA113. Are those big enough to be range extenders for the Scouts? I’m not sure, but those would be my first picks. Packaging wise, if they need bigger a VR6 would be cool, but I’m not sure if they are still making those.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

The EA888 in my mom’s Allroad grenaded itself at 65,000 miles and totaled the car. The EA888 in the GTI I owned spent the first 6,000 miles misfiring and putting the car in limp mode, usually at highway speeds. Multiple VW dealerships tried to solve it and basically said “lol just hope it stops happening idk”.

Personal experience isn’t everything but I’m never touching that motor again. Fool me once, etc.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
4 hours ago

Two coworkers got their EA888’s in their MK7 GTIs over 140k miles with just oil changes. My uncle got the EA888 in his Allroad over 120k with just oil changes. Anecdotes exist supporting whatever viewpoint you want.

Horizontally Opposed
Horizontally Opposed
4 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Dont forget Porsche too, technically.

Blahblahblah123
Blahblahblah123
10 minutes ago
Reply to  V10omous

Yeah, my lone experience with VW (Jetta 1.8t) did not exactly instill confidence in the brand. And the abysmal service experience from Toronto area GTA dealers killed any interest in VW cars.
I did put a deposit down for a Scout on a lark – but only for the EV model. All this gushing about the EREV just make no sense to me – it just introduces way more maintenance and rolling the dice on whether they can actually make an engine/powertrain that is reliable in this application.
Folks can hate on EV’s all they want, but mechanical issues are pretty freaking rare. Yeah, you have to worry about the battery, but the EREV Scout will have a pretty large battery which will be subject to the exact same risks as the EV only.

79 Burb-man
79 Burb-man
5 hours ago

Given the ADHD culture we have, I don’t think it’s possible to keep up the momentum. But because of that same ADHD culture, I don’t think you have to. If they go quiet and focus on delivering what they’ve promised in the timeframe they’ve promised it, that’s not a bad thing. In the interim most people will forget, but then I think they can get a second wave of interest when they’re ready ship vehicles. We don’t do delayed gratification well, but we’re also so forgetful we will latch onto the shiny new toy when we see it again.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
4 hours ago
Reply to  79 Burb-man

The nice thing about ADHD culture is that they can just do the same marketing campaign in 2-3 years once they’re ready to actually sell the things.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
5 hours ago

VW is going to f*ck up this launch like the did the ID Buzz because of course they will.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
5 hours ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Scout is supposedly given a lot more freedom from VAG than VW…

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
5 hours ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Let’s hope so.

Ash78
Ash78
5 hours ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

VW’s big mistake was teasing a car for….erm….22 years straight! They allowed way too much time for people to get their hopes up, then they delivered 80% of the expected product at 120% of the price.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
5 hours ago
Reply to  Ash78

The most severe case of blue balls in automotive history.

Dan Bee
Dan Bee
6 hours ago

We have been waiting for years for Jeep or Toyota or any OEM to make something like this: a six+ person off-road capable PHEV (or EREV).

We currently drive a three row hybrid AWD crossover (and an awesome IONIQ 5 BEV). While the crossover with the AWD plus M+S tires punches far above its weight off-road, the hybrid system drives like something carbureted out of the malaise era. As soon as this Scout out (or a similar one from Jeep), we are getting one.

We have been waiting so long for the right product, what’s a few more years?

Rob Castaldo
Rob Castaldo
6 hours ago

I currently have an F150. I own a fixer-upper cottage on an island, and I need a truck to do truck stuff.

I usually keep vehicles around 10 years or so, and the F150 will be slated for replacement in 2028. I really wanted to get a Lightning, but when considering occasional towing, the range was problematic, considering my destination is a rural area with no EV infrastructure.

Putting a deposit on a Terra was a no-brainer for me. Even my wife, who has significant concerns about range (she hates the phrase “range anxiety”), is excited about the Terra.

Dan
Dan
6 hours ago

I’m watching with interest the battles between Scout Motors and the automobile dealer associations.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
6 hours ago

I like the idea behind this. Infrastructure is an issue. I would have to install at charger at home and hope where I am going has one. My current work doesn’t have them so that is out.

Dan Bee
Dan Bee
6 hours ago
Reply to  Arrest-me Red

There also is the option of a gas range extender FWIW.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
5 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Bee

Not sure how much range that is. Still something to consider. An around the town or commuter this has possibilities.

I am sure I would have to charge it at some point.

Dan Bee
Dan Bee
5 hours ago
Reply to  Arrest-me Red

Agreed. And I imagine the driving experience is better on electricity from the battery (range extender off).

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Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
6 hours ago

I worry about this too. One of my buddies with similar taste to me who had a Golf R and now has an R1T has been trying to convert me to the rugged EV life. He sent me a ton of stuff about the Scouts when they were first unveiled and was like “join me, friendo! Make a reservation!”. I was immediately smitten by the looks and packaging and was more or less like “I’ve got a few years until I’ll need a new car so I’ll stash this one in the possibilities folder”.

Then I realized they weren’t coming until 2027…and unfortunately there have been several products that have come out since the initial release that will inevitably steal some sales. Obviously the new 4Runner is here, is apparently great, and while it’s not an EV there is a hybrid version that will probably be enough to sway the environmentally conscious outdoorsy folks.

There’s also the Honda Passport, which looks fantastic, has all sorts of neat options kind of like the Scouts, has a big, simple NA V6 and will perhaps offer a hybrid down the line. Ford just announced that they’re going all in on EREVs as well, and there’s a good chance an EREV Bronco hits the market around the same time as the Scouts or even before it.

And let’s be real here, if the majority of potential buyers were honest with themselves about how much capability they need the new hybrid Forester is a slam dunk and even a fully loaded one will undercut a base Scout. Will they be able to keep up the momentum? I honestly kind of doubt it, but I hope they do because it’s a cool product.

Anyway as someone who’s going to be forced into a bigger dad car in the next couple of years I’m certainly excited to go shopping and check out everything I listed here. If you want an outdoorsy SUV that isn’t a total joke when it comes to efficiency there are exciting times.

Last edited 6 hours ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
5 hours ago

The path from the standard GTI seems to be Tacoma, but I love going from an R to a R1T.

I’ve got my eye on the R3X when my 2017 GTI stops working (I’ll drive it into the ground, absolutely love that car).

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
5 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Elliott

I went GTI to my Kona N because I wanted more spice and to do some track days…and my GTI had been problematic. Unfortunately my Kona N has been similarly problematic. I’m coming up on 3 years with it and I’ve definitely really enjoyed it but if given a do over I’d just stick with my GTI. I got a great deal on both my trade in and the Kona N but with the power of hindsight it definitely wasn’t worth taking on an additional 10 grand in debt.

I would’ve paid off my GTI a while ago and I’m still about a year out from being payment free with my Kona. You live and you learn, I suppose. Anyway I was originally going to try to get a certified Macan/Panamera, a CT4V BW, or IS500 as my next car but after welcoming our first kid last summer and planning on another it’s abundantly clear that I need something bigger.

Anyway that’s how I wound up at burly SUVs, it seems like a way to get more space and not have to drive something completely soulless. I think a lot of people wind up going down the path I’m on. But anyway, the R3X looks pretty sweet. I’ll be tempted to look at one but the range is under 300 miles and with our road trip needs I’m not sure if that’ll work, although they do have supercharger access so…hmm.

My buddy loves his R1T and talks about it constantly. He showed me around it and all of its little tricks and it’s a very, very cool and well thought out truck. I think Rivian is going to stick around for a while, and while I’m not certain that their products are for me (and the R1s are prohibitively expensive/the R3 won’t be cheap either) I definitely think they’re rad.

Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
4 hours ago

re Range: It seems that electric vehicles are best suited to two car families where the other one is ICE. As someone that could easily drive 6-8 hours once a month every month I really understand range anxiety.

My kids are older but we are all tall and fit in the GTI just fine. But I’ve never tried to install a rear facing child seat in one and I remember the nightmare our old 2000 Cherokee was with that.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Elliott

I could make an EV work as my car if I really wanted to since my wife’s car is always going to be the family car, but we like to be ready for worst case scenarios and with her family being 250ish very unpleasant miles away that are a solid 25% vacant countryside we think it’s a good idea for both of our cars to be able to make the journey in case of an emergency.

There’s not a whole lot outside of the Lucid Air and Teslas (which I will never consider because of Musk) that can reliably make that journey right now. Hybrids remain a better solution for us. We are looking to get a Highlander hybrid for my wife’s next car and I’ll admit a loaded new Forester hybrid in green with the two tone black roof and brown leather interior is currently in the back of my mind for me.

Unfortunately we didn’t time it very well and both of us will need bigger cars within a year or two of each other.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
3 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Elliott

Hey I’m also hoping to go GTI to R3X! Not sure we can make it to 2027 though. My oldest is already running out of leg room back there. 🙁

Jeff Elliott
Jeff Elliott
3 hours ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Move your seat up so your elbows are at 90 degrees like a race car driver!

I’m 6’4 and my kids are 6′ and 5’11, neither of them sits behind me, but we did at least try it in the showroom.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
4 hours ago

I mean not that it’s everything but IMO the new Forester is borderline hideous-just looked at one with my in-laws for their next car. And this isn’t generic Subaru hate-my wife drives a 2015 Legacy that I probably like more than I want to admit. But you’re right, and I’m usually the first to say a Subaru or capable crossover will do as much or more soft roading than 80% of drivers will ever see. And to your point wish Subaru had invested more in hybrid tech-a PHEV crosstrek would’ve been the car my wife would’ve bought but the one they made briefly with Toyota tech is all but impossible to find and folks sell them for absurd money.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
4 hours ago

Looks are subjective. I think it looks fine, particularly with the two tone options for the hybrid. I think the two tone green/black looks great and as much as I loathe gray cars the two tone black/dark gray looks nice too. They also offer a brown, genuine leather interior…which is very hard to find outside of luxury cars, and even then you probably have to order it.

VictoriousSandwich
VictoriousSandwich
3 hours ago

The brown interior option is nice-my beef was that it’s just so busy especially the interior is just a wild combination of textures and materials-but yes that is subjective and could just be me lol

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
6 hours ago

I would really like the SUV version to replace my FJ in the future but I just feel like the price of these is just going to be stupid expensive and with anything new will be unobtainium for a year or two after release but seeing EV depreciation hopefully that means these will be much cheaper after a few years of the release.

Detroit Lightning
Detroit Lightning
6 hours ago

Have been thinking this exact thing, especially with the Ford EREV news.

As much as I like the scout styling and how they’re marketing it, I’m much more inclined to by an EREV truck from Ford (or Toyota, or probably GM) than from a start up with a bunch of VW dna in it…

still rooting for them, and still holding a reservation…but feeling like I’ll be never buy one.

NC Miata NA
NC Miata NA
6 hours ago

Put out a display in a large, high-traffic place with an actual Scout being assembled 1 piece per day until release. Pretend like it is the world’s largest advent calendar.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 hours ago

A lot of these “retro” styled things remind me of those cheap re-skinned appliances that are made to look like they’re from the 50’s. The more I look at pictures of the front end of the scout, the more I dislike it.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
3 hours ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

booooo hisssss

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