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I Finally Sold The Subaru I Regret Buying New

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Way back in the summer of 2016, my life was changing fast. I suddenly had a kid. My wife, an academic, got offered a rare tenure track job at a small college in the ‘burbs. My Brooklyn life was soon to be in my rearview mirror. The only problem was that I didn’t even have a rearview mirror because I was carless.

Being a smart automotive journalist, I was quite sure I knew what I wanted: a manual Mazda CX-5. Unfortunately, few were to be had and the ones out there were way too expensive. My friend and colleague Tom McParland suggested a Subaru Forester as there were a ton of 2016 models they were looking to offload at a nearby dealership and that, for $25,000 all-in, I could walk out with a completely fine new car.

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This seemed like a sane idea at the time. Of all the crossovers I’d driven, the Forester was seemingly alright-to-good at everything, even if it wasn’t great at any one thing. I didn’t love the design of the RAV4, the meek engine in the CR-V, or the price of the Mazda. The Forester seemed like the ultimate good compromise.

I planned to own the car for about 10 years or 95,000 miles, whichever came first. I made it to eight years and 76,000 miles before I got so fed up with the car I decided to sell it a couple of years early.

The Many Ways My Subaru Let Me Down

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If you’ve read about this car all along you can skip down to the next section, but for those of you only vaguely familiar here’s a quick recap of the many issues I’ve had with the car over the approximately eight years of ownership.

Right off the bat, the fuel economy in “Subie” was abysmal. I had the Forester with the best fuel economy at 27 mpg combined (24 city/31 highway), though my mileage around town was regularly in the 21-22 mpg range. I get that this number depends a lot on where you live and how you drive, but the usual combined fuel economy in my experience was around 25 mpg.

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That’s not great and, in light of new cars, is kinda terrible. Perhaps superior fuel economy would have made me feel better about the car’s CVT (continuously variable transmission). Most CVTs are bad and the Subaru CVT isn’t early Nissan bad, but it’s still an experience that went from mildly annoying to so jerky over the first 30,000 miles that I started to wonder if it was breaking. Nope! Forums and a trusted mechanic assured me that’s just how Foresters are.

And then stuff started breaking, conveniently around the time the warranty expired. The thing scarfed headlights like Joey Chesnut. Both front lower control arms cracked, requiring expensive replacements. Both rear wheel bearings went out before even hitting 70,000 miles. The battery crapped out early and was awkward to replace. The car was never aligned.

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As mentioned, the thread pitch chosen by Subaru on its wheel studs is supposedly designed to keep the wheels more securely to the car, but the result is the studs crack off too easily. Gilligan somehow got better reception on his coconut radio than my car’s speakerphone, much to the annoyance of my coworkers.

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And, finally, the locks have just randomly stopped working. My best estimate is that I spent about $7,500 on top of car payments, gas, and insurance to keep this car running for less than eight years.

All this means that when I got an email from Carvana offering me $11,400 for the car I knew it was time to say goodbye. I have no specific proof of any big problem about to occur and, yet, I can feel one in my bones.

Now That It’s Gone Here Are Some Reasons I Don’t Regret Buying A Forester

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For all the disdain I’ve had for the Subaru I had a sudden pang of regret as I was signing the title over at a local Honda dealership that agreed to take the car for the Carvana price.

I’d planned to sell the car alone, but a timing snafu meant I needed to bring my daughter and she cried the whole way to the dealership. Then she started crying again as I handed over the keys. She doesn’t remember all the problems, she just knows that this is the only car she’s ever had. All the road trips, all the drive-in movies, and all the car camping happened in Subie.

Seeing these memories flood back for her made them flood back from me.

While I think I paid too much to keep a new Japanese car running, the reality is the Forester never left me stranded. It never broke so badly it couldn’t be fixed. The local Subaru dealers I had were fine and often would let me take a loaner on short notice and without an appointment.

It also did a few things quite well for the price.

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Camping Subie

It’s a bit of a joke that the Subaru Forester should come with an REI Co-Op membership, but it was only shortly after getting a Forester that I decided I should go camping for the first time in my life well into my 30s. I do not come from an outdoorsy family. I come from a hotel/airbnb on the beach kind of family.

The Forester, in this trim, has more than 74 cubic feet of space, which is better than average for the class. With one seat up for Bette it still managed to have enough volume to swallow my overpacking. I take everything with me camping and there was always room in Subie for just one more pillow, or camp chair, or extra propane bottle I’d never need.

When the camping trips were over the Forester was also easy to clean. I’ve had press cars whose plastic would scuff at the site of a sharp edge and whose piano black interior touches would dirty merely from the pressure of staring at them for more than five seconds. Not Subie! A little spit and a dirty sock would clean up just about anything.

I think the ruggedness of the interior on the Forester gives people the impression that these vehicles are mechanically rugged, which isn’t always the case.

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And speaking of the interior, I gotta credit these seats. The cloth seats in Subie are fantastic. Neither too firm nor, as cloth seats often are, too lumpy and soft. I did exactly one full detail in year 7 of Subie ownership and they looked great afterward.

This thing was comfortable on long road trips and even returned a non-terrible highway mileage in the low 30s.

So it’s not all bad. I think, over time, I will even look back fondly at Subie as an important part of our family just as our family grew to be three.

It’s Gone

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The final reason I sold the Subaru was that I hope to know a car dealer who, after constantly kvetching, suggested that he might be able to help me out in purchasing something new. I’d have been much happier selling the car for the $11,400 Carvana offered, but I delayed for too long and Carvana knocked that down to $9,500.

Thankfully, the dealer I spoke with nearby was willing to honor most of the $11,400 and kinda begged me to go down to $10,900. Comparable cars are selling for about $14,000 nearby, but my car’s registration was almost up and I had some maintenance I needed to do on the car. Selling before July 7th would save me an immediate $600 and I’m too busy to sell it private party.

I was able to take that $10,900 and apply it to a new car and ended up basically back where I started with a $25,000 car. What did I get? I think most of you can guess at this point. If you can’t, an announcement post is coming soon as it’s silly to tease a car that’s just another crossover for this long.

Farewell, Subie.

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TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago

Honestly, I’d likely pay 4 large for my 87 Subaru wagon (5MT 4wd Lo-Hi) in the shape I sold it for $900 in 2009 now. Well, maybe $3k as I had removed the AC & PS to make room for the Weber Carburetor, and I like AC these days. Objectively, I know it was a shitbox—but it was a tough, capable shitbox….

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

One of the main reasons I sold that last wagon was that parts were drying up at the local stores. Where they once stocked tie rods & axles, I had to order them—with widely varied results.

I absolutely loved my EA81s as the motors were almost unkillable with basic maintenance. Valve-float for daaays, baby! Now I’ve got a shabby 02 wrx—and often dream of that motor in my old 82 GLF. (But not enough to do it because I lack the facilities these days)

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
1 month ago

my sister had one of these, pure hot garbage.

I do not understand the subaru fandom out here in the PNW.

05LGT
05LGT
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

older ones. they earned the fandom. then Subaru used the reputation instead of maintaining it. I’m now more likely to buy a (new or recent) VW than a Subaru. Thank goodness Toyota exists…

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

I’ll echo that it was the old ones. I was a diehard fan until they stopped building Subarus the way they used to (I probably still quit on their model years a lot sooner than most other old Subaru fans).

Aprtur
Aprtur
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

Fandom is a good descriptor. I used to work service as a Mazda advisor at a dual Mazda/Subaru store, just as the first gen CX-5s were coming out. It never ceased to amaze me at the multitudes more in money Subaru owners spent on repairs compared to Mazda owners (several thousand dollar service tickets were not unusual in Subaru land). You would have to either put that down to people being blindly loyal to Subaru, or masochists…your choice. The one thing I will say for Subaru, is that their almost no-hassle purchase approach, and ungodly levels of goodwill repairs probably won a lot of people over, and cemented that fandom.

Jatkat
Jatkat
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

My family (from Spokane) owned Subarus from the mid 70’s till about 2013. They were extremely competent, useful little wagons that gave us very little trouble. The old ones offered something pretty unique at the time, (4wd in a car) and hooked a lot of the people into brand. The ol’ 2.5 in the outback decided to show off its secret super power in our 99 and 03. The multiple headgasket explosions ended a long proud line of subaru ownership. Shame, I really do like their cars. I’d own a h6 outback, or any with the 2.2, but never a 2.5 again.

Jatkat
Jatkat
1 month ago
Reply to  Jatkat

As far as I know, our ’80 wagon is still crawling around my hometown.

Chairman Kaga
Chairman Kaga
1 month ago

It is almost unbelievable that my GTI is as old as the Subaru, has almost as many miles, and has been in the shop exactly once for a water pump recall, and has one repair done by me at home.
A Volkswagen GTI. A car that, according to blog readers, will explode if breathed on wrong.
Meanwhile Subarus can outlive a Galapagos tortoise just by pissing in the radiator every 100,000 miles.
It has to make you wonder how a car’s reputation is managed entirely by anecdotal evidence and not actual data.

CampoDF
CampoDF
1 month ago
Reply to  Chairman Kaga

Exactly this. Everyone loves to shit on VW but the reality is you get (sometimes) a better car for the same money. All cars have stuff that will go wrong but that doesn’t mean it is going to be catastrophic. Subaru’s success is resting on a specific reputation of durability and is doing a very poor job of maintaining that veil of reliability because their cars are garbage. It’s gotta be some point during my lifetime that people recognize subaru for its inferiority to all the other Japanese brands and the Kia/Hyundais of 15 years ago.

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
1 month ago

I think the ruggedness of the interior on the Forester gives people the impression that these vehicles are mechanically rugged

I think this has a lot of truth to it

Adam Guha
Adam Guha
1 month ago

While the car might not have been great, I sympathize with your daughter. I remember my dad selling his 1980 BMW 528i when I was about 5, and I wouldn’t let the buyer take it home unless I got one more ride in it. My dad was nice enough to make that happen. I always liked that car more than any of the others he’s had since, and he apparently misses it too. Go figure.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
1 month ago

H-O-T-T-O-G-O

Russ McLean
Russ McLean
1 month ago

Matt, thanks to your previous complaints, we dumped our 2017 Forester. I read your article and got thinking…

  1. The nearest Subaru dealer is 81 miles away.
  2. The front end was “clunking” after only 10 months on the new lower control arms.
  3. The local O’Reilly store had lower control arms in stock – Confirming that this was a problem in this model Subaru.
  4. My granddaughter dropped by. Her previous employment was a KBB car buyer for a local Toyota dealer. She quickly got me 3 quotes.
  5. Sold it to Toyota the next morning (We have a few running project cars..).
  6. I’m almost 80 years old – Traveling to the “BIG CITY” is no longer working well. I refuse to buy from the local GM/FOMOCO/Stelantis (SP?)/Honda/Nissan/Kia/Hyundai/NAPA monopoly. Toyota is the only independent dealer left – AND they treated my kids/grand kids well on previous deals.
  7. Settled on a Toyota RAV4. Wanted to try a hybrid, but there were not any allocations available soon (At my age, long term planning does not make much sense (wink…). The next available RAV4 (on the truck) had moon roof and roof rack. I was able to order (actually take a build allocation for the closest choice – Toyoda does not “do” custom orders) one out of the Cambridge, Ontario factory. It arrived here in SE Arizona in less than 2 months.
  8. Very happy with the sales man and the dealer. Generally happy with the RAV4. There are some learning issues with new tech < I am actually older than a “Boomer”… <wink>>.

Russ

Jason Smith
Jason Smith
1 month ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

My wife has a current generation RAV4. While some on here may hate it for being boring, you could have done a lot worse in that segment and there are definitely worse places to be than the driver’s seat of one.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason Smith

We get my Mom’s 2020 RAV4 hybrid for 6 months when she escapes winter and love it. Much nicer than the rest of the very aging fleet here. I’m old enough now that boring and everything working correctly is good, which the RAV4 excels at.

Dropping the kids off at the bus stop (about a mile away) there’s a big hill we go down to get back home that charges it up enough to make it home on battery alone. Makes me think of how cool the Prime version would be doing all these little errands.

Wife wants one but prices are still high and she’s in between jobs right now. And it’s probably smarter to just enjoy my Mom’s RAV for 6 months and leave it at that.

EXL500
EXL500
1 month ago
Reply to  Russ McLean

Soon to be 70. Keep on truckin’.

Parsko
Parsko
1 month ago

What you listened to while driving away from the dealership:
https://youtu.be/oHMJE0rcb8M

John Gustin
John Gustin
1 month ago

as it’s silly to tease a car that’s just another crossover for this long.

Boo, join the Maverick club! We have so many recalls, the trucklets will be a ship of Theseus and get twice the longevity of a Ford Escape. /s

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
1 month ago
Reply to  John Gustin

Is that on the hybrid or the turbo or both?

Man With A Reliable Jeep
Man With A Reliable Jeep
1 month ago

Praise the Lord! He’s done it! Blessed be!

Also, congrats on whatever you got. Not counting the honeymoon phase, it’s almost certainly a better ride than what you had.

Tim R
Tim R
1 month ago

This makes me happy we bought used CX-5’s for our kids first cars. No problems at all and they love them

That Guy with the Sunbird
That Guy with the Sunbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Tim R

We’ve had two CX-5s and both were/are great. An early build 2013 FWD Sport that we bought new in Dec. 2012 and our current 2016 AWD Grand Touring that we bought used with 84,000 miles in July 2022. The 2016 is up to 104,000 miles and is still puttering along fine.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 month ago

I’m a little disappointed you’ve already bought something. This was a prime opportunity for a Shitbox Showdown: Hardibro Edition!!

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago

This essentially is how I feel about my 2016 Sorento. Although, at 232,000kms, the only things I’ve replaced since buying it at 187k, is the alternator and the starter. The V6 has the cold start rattle, but it’s been a perfectly fine family hauler.

However, I LOATHE it and as soon as it makes financial sense, I’ll be dumping it for something else. Likely a mid size pickup as they don’t make wagons with the tow capacity I desire and SUVs cost more than trucks.

Hell, it may even be a half ton, since the financing offers in Moose Land make them almost at parity with a mid size truck.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

As my wife owns a 2018, I understand both sentiments.

The Forester isn’t really a great car and has some obvious flaws. But it also hasn’t really been too difficult to own when you really consider how many brands are struggling with various Achilles heels these days. Could you do better? Yeah. Could you do worse? Oh God yes.

But yeah, sometimes after obsessing over replacing a mildly difficult car, the moment you sell becomes the real moment of clarity. Curious to see what you replace it with.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

Gonna add that since it’s sitting in a Honda used lot, I’m going to bet you drove away in a new CR-V Hybrid.

DrFunk
DrFunk
1 month ago

She’s gone, she’s gone
Oh I, oh I
I didn’t learn how to fix it
She’s gone, she’s gone
Oh I, oh I
I Carvana’d to replace her
She’s gone, and she’s gone
Oh why, what didn’t go wrong?

Maymar
Maymar
1 month ago

From the Hall & Oates references, I think it’s clear what you’re hinting you bought.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fhlh3hsnk9gqz.jpg

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
1 month ago
Reply to  Maymar

I can’t can go for that!

David Tracy
David Tracy
1 month ago

No can do.

SBMtbiker
SBMtbiker
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

I can’t go for that!

JurassicComanche25
JurassicComanche25
1 month ago

SUBARU- Sucks Up Bucks And Really Unfun

VanGuy
VanGuy
1 month ago

Hell yes. This one needs to be added to the official unofficial manufacturer acronyms.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago

In 17 years of previous Subaru ownership (and heading toward 5 for my current one), that wasn’t my experience: I replaced a lot of stuff because I beat on them like a rented red-headed step-mule, but the white wagon even got me home on 2 cylinders when the timing belt for the other 2 snapped.

But, I only owned a 90s Roo long enough to sell it (2 days), and have never owned one built in the last 20 years

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

EA82s were quite a while ago!

Trenton Abernathy
Trenton Abernathy
1 month ago

I’m honestly kind of surprised. I don’t have much experience with Subaru Foresters, but my wife currently owns a 2018 that she bought with ~45K miles and it’s been smooth sailing up to ~84K now. She travels a lot for work and her hobby, so we’ve been really racking up the miles. The only big issue so far was the compressor motor giving up the ghost a few months back, which is a common issue at that mileage as I’ve discovered. I’m not too read up on the quality of the output from the different factories, but I’m sad to hear you got a dud.

I’ve also currently got a 2017 WRX and have had no issues with that, but the WRXs are all built and assembled in Japan from what I understand, so maybe the craftsmanship is a little better. I hope your next ride proves to be an improvement.

The Clutch Rider
The Clutch Rider
1 month ago

yep, me too, i am kinda surprised. My 17 WRX has been solid for 121k miles (knock on wood). Just now it seems like the rear bearings are starting to get noisy. I do hate the window frames rot though, but it seems that is happening to anyone with tinted windows for some reason.

I know other people with similar vintage Crosstreks and Foresters and they can’t complain about anything with their cars.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

We have a 2018 and admittedly had the CVT replaced at 20k miles when it started making some pretty hideous noises. To Subaru’s (and the dealer’s) credit, they gave us a loaner, had it replaced quickly and didn’t fight us for even a second on it. They upped the warranty period to 100k for these CVTs, which helps.

We haven’t had any other issues, though it only has something like 45k on it now.

The Schrat
The Schrat
1 month ago

My ’15 WRX was a nightmare of a car, and my partner’s ’17 Forester has been mostly solid (except for a software draining the battery issue). I don’t think assembly point necessarily corresponds.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
1 month ago

My wife has an Outback and it’s our long range, road trip vehicle. They are great at soaking up highway miles, but if you drive one mostly in the city the flaws with the CVT, suspension clunks, and the abysmal gas mileage really stare you in the face.

Strangek
Strangek
1 month ago

We’ve got a 2012 Forester that we bought in 2018 and have had zero issues with it up until very recently. At this point though, it’s a 12 year old car with a ton of miles on it, so I can’t really fault it for whatever issues it has developed. It’s been great, and because of that I’ll be a little sad to see it go, but I’m totally ready to move on.

Red865
Red865
1 month ago

My wife has 19 Crosstrek with 70k. Zero problems. Just replaced original tires and will probably need brakes before winter. She averages around 30mpg, 34mpg on trips. It was made in Japan. She loves it.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Stay away from Subaru, she’s a maneater. I won’t go for that.
Looks like you got an adult education.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 month ago

Your daughter’s anguish at parting with Subie broke my heart a tiny bit. :/

Your first camping trip in the new car will surely help ease her sense of loss.

Last edited 1 month ago by Geoff Buchholz
Automotiveflux
Automotiveflux
1 month ago

Corolla Cross Hybrid!

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
1 month ago
Reply to  Automotiveflux

He traded it in on at a Honda dealer, so unlikely.

I’m guessing CRV hybrid.

Automotiveflux
Automotiveflux
1 month ago
Reply to  IanGTCS

Good catch

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago
Reply to  Automotiveflux

You’re likely to be the only person to ever put an exclamation point after the words “Corolla Cross Hybrid”.

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

Yup, good one…talk about using exclamation points haphazardly

“I never heard of a relationship being affected by puncuation”
-Jerry Seinfeld

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 month ago

Some friends just had a kid at the same time as starting a new job, and this required the purchase of a second car. They were living the single car lifestyle with a 2018 Crosstrek, but when it came to getting a second car they went with a Honda Accord. Like mentioned in the article, they had good memories of their Subaru, but it hasn’t been reliable enough to commit to buying a second one.

MEK
MEK
1 month ago

I definitely felt the same pang of sadness when trading in my old 2005 Mazda MPV. Like your Subie, it’ wasn’t a fantastic car. It had a number of issues over the years and was getting some rust but it was still the car I took 2 of my kids home from the hospital in as newborns. It went on vacations, day trips, Saturday stops for ice cream and countless other places. For years it was my home for hours of commuting and a rolling office for my field work. There were a lot of memories tied up in that bright blue rolling box.

Even cars that aren’t great cars become a part of the family and it’s hard not to get attached and sentimental. That old MPV was the only car I’ve even actually talked to and said goodbye to when sitting in it for the last time at the dealership when it was time to trade it in and I wont deny that my eyes were a little misty as I rolled past it that last time on my way out. It’s only a machine but it’s also something more. I still to this day hope that the MPV went to some other family who made a few memories of their own with her.

Congrats on the new ride and hopefully the old Subie goes out and makes some memories with another family.

Jason Smith
Jason Smith
1 month ago

My wife, an academic, got offered a rare tenure track job at a small college in the ‘burbs.

I may have missed this detail in previous posts, but how did you avoid a Saab 900 or Volvo 240 wagon? I thought a stock were kept as “company cars” for tenured positions at small colleges in the northeast…

Jason Smith
Jason Smith
1 month ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

OK, so your family already checked the box…
This was probably mentioned at some point, I just never connected the dots.

JT4Ever
JT4Ever
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason Smith

The university just threw in a signing bonus of elbow patches and a briar pipe instead

MrMostlyRight
MrMostlyRight
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason Smith

Maybe 20 years ago. I swear every 4th car in Ithaca 15 years ago was a Volvo 240… now they’re a rare sight.

My wife is a VAP – Visiting Assistant Professor – she doesn’t want tenure position as the university would crack down on the amount of time she puts in at her private practice. Her daily is a Stelvio Quadrifoglio, while most of the other cars in her parking lot are Subies and Honda CRVs.

Last edited 1 month ago by MrMostlyRight
The Schrat
The Schrat
1 month ago

Congratulations on escaping the mildly-flawed Subaru life! The mid teens were not a good time for the build quality on these cars.

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