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I Had To Get This Terrible Idea About A Rush-Job Ford V10 Viper-Fighter Out Of My Head

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You know how sometimes you get a stupid idea in your head, and you can’t get free of it unless you do something to, you know, purge it? That happened to me last night. There’s different ways to purge these ideas: booze, a vigorous and punishing round of onanism, a 2×4 to the forehead, and so on, but sometimes you have to do something more. Sometimes you have to just draw them damn thing, quickly, and let its inane energy escape the confines of your mind, where it can go on to pollute the internet. And that’s what I did, with this ridiculous idea about a Ford V10 sports car based on the Econoline!

Here’s what the thinking was, in more detail: it’s the year 1991. Ford’s industrial spies have learned that Chrysler is planning to release a radical new roadster based on a V10 engine, with dramatic proportions – the car we’d come to know as the Dodge Viper. As you know, Bob Lutz was in charge of Chrysler/Dodge when the Viper was born, and was in a large way his baby. At the time, Ford was headed by Harold Arthur “Red” Poling, who considered Lutz to be his rival.

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Poling – who was a former Navy fighter pilot while Lutz was a former Marine fighter pilot, causing many to use dogfight metaphors in their interactions – decided that there was no way Lutz was going to beat Ford to market with a V10-powered roadster. So, he gave his engineers a directive from on high: make a two-seat V10-powered roadster before Lutz’ V10 roadster could hit the market.

Now, Ford’s engineers had almost no time to pull this off – using the Mustang as a starting point would have made sense, but there was no V10 designed to fit in it, and that was the key requirement. The only V10 in development (and I’m taking a few liberties with the timeline here) was the Triton V10 designed for the Econoline series of vans.

So, desperate, Ford’s engineers had to work with what they had: the Econoline. It already was being designed to use this new V10 engine, so Ford sequestered a bunch of engineers and designers in a rented house in Saginaw and had them come up with a V10 Econoline-based roadster in, let’s say, two weeks. And this was the result:

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The Triton V10! They just named it after the engine, because, screw it, Triton is a good name. They had no time to design a new roadster body, so they just cut down an Econoline cargo van, threw in some better seats from the Mustang, gave it a manual five-speed, some headers (5 pipes per side, hot but reinforced to act as a step, at least) and a removable roof panel.

The rear of the van was fully carpeted and sealed with a plastic cover, making a colossal trunk area that could be accessed from cut-down doors on the sides and rear. Suitcases would slide around in this thing like drunk kids on a roller rink. I hope the roof panel had some kind of secure holder in there.

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They knew the Viper would have dramatic proportions, but they did, too! Just, you know, reversed. So, Ford did it, beating the Viper to market by a matter of weeks, and at the same time becoming the two-seat roadster with the largest trunk in all of automotive history.

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See? I told you it was a stupid idea! I think the actual Triton V10 didn’t end up in any Econolines until 1997 or so, but it’s possible it would have been in development that much earlier? Maybe?

Still, I maintain that if Ford had an incredibly short amount of time to release a V10 roadster, in that era, it could have been this. Of course, this is all just the product of my feverish mind, and it never actually happened. Maybe the world is a little poorer for it?

Maybe not.

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OverlandingSprinter
OverlandingSprinter
20 hours ago

I wonder if the spark plugs would launch themselves out of this version of the Triton V10 like they do routinely in E350s and E450s.

Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
18 hours ago

Early examples they did. Mid 2002 and upwards it wasn’t an issue. At least on the F series trucks. And it doesn’t kill the engine like the Godzilla camshaft and lifter issues did on E serie and F series vehicles between 2020 and 2022….(that said there is a TSB)…

MY LEG!
MY LEG!
20 hours ago

Excellent. You need to put a (mandatory) la cucaracha horn in it though.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
20 hours ago

So, back around the year 2000 someone in west Houston did this. They had an Econoline van that they cut the top off of and made into a permanent convertible. They cut off everything aft of the windshield header, welded up the rear doors, painted the thing with wild graphics over an almost-purple metallic maroon, and then put it on hydraulics. They also filled the area where the rear two passenger seats would have been with a ton of subwoofers, so everyone in a quarter mile radius could feel them coming. I think it may have been the first vehicle I ever saw with spinner wheels, which became hugely popular in Houston in the early 2000s. The one thing I never figured out was what the owner did when he encountered one of Houston’s random-but-strong rain storms…

Beto O'Kitty
Beto O'Kitty
20 hours ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Well in Houston we of course use a blue tarp.

Toecutter
Toecutter
17 hours ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

That’s the sort of vehicle where you bump DJ Screw while sipping on a cheap 40 with some purp poured into it. An H-Town tradition!

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
15 hours ago
Reply to  Toecutter

This is correct. Jamming some chopped and screwed Paul Wall or Mike Jones (the two main Swishahouse guys at the time) while sitting in endless traffic.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
20 hours ago

I hate to be this guy… wait, no I don’t, I’m just an insufferable nerd.

The grille and wheel covers/hubcaps are from a pre-V10 era of E-series/Econoline.

(Gets pushed back in locker)

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
20 hours ago

Ah, i see, you were going for a 1992 version on purpose. comment rescinded.

And the V10 probably was at least in an engineering drawing back then, since the modular motor debuted in the 1991 Town car. So it is… possible?

Gene1969
Gene1969
19 hours ago

A hero comment if I ever read one. Good job sir!

(Damnit! Just read your adjustment.)

Last edited 19 hours ago by Gene1969
ImissmyoldScout
ImissmyoldScout
20 hours ago

You really should have punted this over to the Bishop. I think he could actually make this work. Nice try though.

AssMatt
AssMatt
20 hours ago

Yeah I wondered how far Torch would have to go to elicit a No from Bish. Yikes.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
20 hours ago

If you drive a 90s roadster (especially one with a Ford V10) you’re going to need a trunkful of spare parts, so this design makes perfect sense to me.

Evan Shealy
Evan Shealy
20 hours ago

I don’t hate it, mostly because I see (with a bit more massaging) a revival of sorts of the dodge deora

Dan Pritts
Dan Pritts
20 hours ago

Jason, and I say this with love, you need to stop drinking the groundwater.

Toecutter
Toecutter
17 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Pritts

I use a Big Berkey filter, because I live between 3 superfund sites, one of them a radioactive underground fire of burning nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project less than 3 miles away from me.

Lots of cancer clusters here.

I can confidently say that the water I’m drinking is of excellent quality. It would not be the case without the filter, and if I didn’t replace said filter’s elements on a regular basis. Not only can I taste and smell the difference in the water(albeit radioactive isotopes in such quantities will be tasteless and odorless), but I can actually see he difference in the water when I pour it. Unfiltered, it has a grey haze in it.

Your advice to Jason is sound. But a good charcoal filter will get rid of most of any contaminants.

Last edited 17 hours ago by Toecutter
Elhigh
Elhigh
20 hours ago

I’ve seen some terrible ideas cross these pages before, and now I’m seeing some more.

MEK
MEK
20 hours ago

Honestly, I don’t hate it as much as I feel I should and that kind of worries me.

Stryker_T
Stryker_T
21 hours ago

I think my brother would unironically buy one of these, drive it every day and the back would be constantly full of tools and car parts.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
21 hours ago

Ford did set a precedence with the SuperVan series. I think the engineers would have been more likely to leave the van body closer to stock and drop the V10 right in the middle, which, let’s be honest, is the right choice.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
4 hours ago

Bingo!

Data
Data
21 hours ago

Body roll must have been awful.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
21 hours ago
Reply to  Data

Needs some stiff gummipuffers.

Stryker_T
Stryker_T
21 hours ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

it begins!

they should add or rename one of the member levels to Gummipuffers.

10001010
10001010
20 hours ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

They should rename the SITE to gummipuffers.com!!!

Elhigh
Elhigh
20 hours ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

COTD.

SNAT steps up on his campaign promise.

S gerb
S gerb
21 hours ago

The Homer

Tbird
Tbird
21 hours ago

Never change Torch, never change… The Modular series engines were standard in the 1991 and up Panthers, and I believe the V10 Triton does fit with some body modification. A cut down Crown Vic would be more likely. Not sure when the E-series first got the Modular motor, it was ’96 for the F-series.

Tbird
Tbird
21 hours ago
Reply to  Tbird

My old ’96 Tbird had a Mustang spec 4.6 and it ran…..these responded well to supercharging back in the day.

Dumb Shadetree
Dumb Shadetree
19 hours ago
Reply to  Tbird

I wondered if the Triton V10 could be shoehorned into a Crown Vic. Add wider rear tires, stiffen the suspension a bit, and call it the Crown Triton.

Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
Ramaswamy Narayanaswamy
18 hours ago
Reply to  Dumb Shadetree

A Coyote V8 would be a better fit into a Panther platform car….

Tbird
Tbird
17 hours ago
Reply to  Dumb Shadetree

Most just supercharge the 4.6 and call it a day. Personally I’d like to see a Godzilla conversion.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
21 hours ago

So, does that V10 swap into a Mustang?

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
4 hours ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

A Clevor or Windsor 408 has better odds.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 hours ago

Why am I once again reminded of that double decker couch from The Lego Movie?

This thing sounds stupid, yet I can somehow see it saving the day, in some sort of weird dystopian universe. (Looks out window…)

Isis
Isis
21 hours ago

Am I the only person who had to google “onanism”??

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
21 hours ago
Reply to  Isis

Beats me.

Tbird
Tbird
21 hours ago

COTD

Toecutter
Toecutter
16 hours ago

I see why you don’t hate manual transmissions. I’m sure you find the hard knob on top quite engaging. Perhaps you like a good short stroke. Just be aware of the potential for an unwanted money-sh…

…ift.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
21 hours ago

This is clearly the second generation Rambo Lambo. Americanized, of course.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
21 hours ago

Reminds me of the Buckaroo Bonzai Jet Truck. https://www.imcdb.org/v256452.html

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
4 hours ago

One of the milder vehicles Black Rock desert has seen.

Rippstik
Rippstik
21 hours ago

Why is this giving me Prangler vibes?

Klone121
Klone121
21 hours ago

The Ford 427 Concept and the Shelby GR-1 both used a V10 engine. Ford actually did commission a special team to make an aluminum DOHC V10 for the Mustang. That engine became the basis for the 7.0L 605hp 427 concept engine.

https://www.drivingline.com/articles/the-ford-v10-is-a-forgotten-high-performance-truck-engine-that-almost-powered-a-supercar/

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
21 hours ago

I’m just wondering what cartoon character was on the LSD blotter paper you ingested before you wrote this.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 hours ago

Cheeto Head.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
21 hours ago

Why does this make me think about the Youabian Puma?

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
20 hours ago
Reply to  Rusty S Trusty

The Puma is actually the contrasting element to make you think that Torch’s Econo10 is a good idea.

(I saw a Puma at the NY auto show, when I had never heard of them. Saw this…thing…in the distance…
…the only time I have ever laughed out loud on seeing a car. And that was before I got close up. It made my day.)

Last edited 20 hours ago by Twobox Designgineer
Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
21 hours ago

Good to see that the chainsawing of the Changli batteries is still paying dividends.

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