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I Wish This Citroën From My Daydream Existed

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I’m not sure how I got started daydreaming about this, but I was thinking about something sort of like an overlanding trip. A trip to somewhere very remote and isolated, just driving something far away from any roads, something light and small and capable. Something I could sleep in, under the vast blanket of stars, but enclosed, because I’ve camped in rain enough to know I’ll be fine never camping in rain again. I thought about what kind of vehicle I’d want to do this in, and the Citroën 2CV Sahara came to mind. Remember, I was daydreaming. I can imagine weird shit like that.

You know what a 2CV Sahara was, right? These were special 2CVs built between 1960 and 1966 (with a lone one being built in 1971), never in large numbers, with only about 694 actually being built. They were originally made for oil prospectors in the Sahara desert who needed a light, rugged 4×4 vehicle to get around in.

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The regular 2CV was only FWD, so Citroën developed a four-wheel-drive system in the simplest way possible: they shoved a second 13.5 hp air-cooled flat-twin in the rear:

Sahara

There were two linked transmissions, two fuel tanks (one under each front seat) and the car could run on either engine singly, or both at once. This gave a nice bit of redundancy, because if you had a mechanical problem with one engine, you could limp home with the other.

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The Sahara proved very capable off-road, as you can see:

But a Sahara isn’t really ideal to sleep in; it’s still a regular 2CV body, after all, and since I’m daydreaming, I’d prefer something I can sleep in. Citroën did make a more van-like variant of the 2CV called the Fourgonnette:

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…but there was never a Sahara version of the Fourgonette. And that’s what I want for my overlanding daydream! It’d look something like this:

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Cs 2cv Sahara Fgn Side

Like the Sahara, it would have the hood-mounted spare tire, under-seat fuel tanks, cutaway rear fenders, and, yes, the extra engine at the rear:

Cs 2cv Sahara Frg Diag

I’d like to relocate the air cleaner a bit lower to get the engine a bit shorter, since I’ll need to have a Volkswagen Type 2-like hump over that engine in the back there, and I want it as low as possible. I think the interior would look something like this, with a raised floor at the rear:

Cs 2cv Saharah Fgn Int

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I could still rig a bed in there, though, with some space below it for storage or water tanks or whatever. I think this would be ideal! Here’s how I imagine it’d look from the rear:

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The rear doors would be shortened to clear the rear engine bay, and it would have the Sahara-like exposed cooling fan back there.

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I don’t really understand why Citroën never made a Fourgonette version of the Sahara, but I think they missed out on a fantastic opportunity. At least, you know, in my procrastination daydreams, which I’m told are a lucrative, heretofore unexplored market.

 

 

 

 

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Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 hours ago

Your daydream sounds like an overly-complicated, less practical Renault 4F6 Sinpar 4×4 to me, not gonna lie. They also made them with rear windows, if that’s your thing. No fuel tanks under the front seats, though.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 hour ago

Yeah, those Renaults are mighty cool. However, there’s a certain je ne sais quoi about the dual-engined Sahara 2CV and the like that mono-engined vehicles just don’t have, which is the whole point of daydreaming about a Sahara fourgonnette.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Collegiate Autodidact
OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
4 hours ago

Can you order one on Temu?

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
6 hours ago

Were you still you in this dream? Or perhaps a shake-n-bake chicken?

Last edited 6 hours ago by Hoonicus
S boser
S boser
8 hours ago

I want this…. Maybe I can find a beater VW put a type 3 motor in it cut off the back and add a little corrugated tin and come close

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
8 hours ago

A soft top 2CV has more room than a tin top, because you can just have things sticking up trough the roof as much as you like. I drove with a flagpole in mine once..

Also if you roll over in the desert, you can get out of the roof by poking whatever sharp object you find through it. A finger might even work. So I guess for safety as well. In a car where you sat on the gas tank… 😀

Here’s a well loaded 2CV, posted by yourself once: https://www.theautopian.com/lets-appreciate-this-iconic-citroen-2cv-image-with-the-grandfather-clock-cold-start/

I am also not that french, but I am convinced Fourgonette just means small van. So they MADE a fourgonette, CALLED the AK250, AK400, later Acadiane, and so on.

Last edited 8 hours ago by Jakob K's Garage
Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
8 hours ago

Oh, yeah, a Sahara fourgonnette would indubitably be the pinnacle of simple overlanding. Alternatively, how about a similar version of the Corvair Lakewood station wagon or Greenbrier van with the second engine in the frunk? Heck, some stock mono-engined Corvairs actually succeeded in transversing the Darién Gap: https://web.archive.org/web/20231006145311/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a36177863/corvairs-in-the-jungle-of-death/
Still, the 2CV gets my vote in the DDSBSD (Daydreaming Shitbox Showdown.)

Last edited 8 hours ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
8 hours ago

I would renew my membership for DDSBSD alone.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
9 hours ago

Of course it would be a Fourgonette Conclusion.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
10 hours ago

Torch: there’s hope yet for you. Have you thought of reaching out to Caselani?

https://en.caselani.com/

The bodykit they’ve got the Ami is adorable.
But, perhaps, making a lifted van might satisfy the itch whilst keeping all the modern kit underneath.

Adam Rice
Adam Rice
9 hours ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I cannot help hearing jaunty accordion music when I look at this website.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
8 hours ago
Reply to  Adam Rice

As long as there’s a picnic with wine, cheese, and a baguette.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
10 hours ago

I bet Ford would have sold more Transit Connects if they’d called it a Fourgonette.

Edit: or “Fordgonette.”

Last edited 10 hours ago by Geoff Buchholz
MrLM002
MrLM002
11 hours ago

It’s because the French are cowards 😉

4jim
4jim
11 hours ago

Now take 2 Toronado motors and transmissions and a van body (Greenbriar?) and frame and have at it.

Andy the Swede
Andy the Swede
11 hours ago

Make sure to prepare for future deafness or wear appropriate ear protection. My 1964 2cv is loud as is. Could only imagine how two engines would sound in that uninsulated sardine can 🙂

Industrial_design_guy
Industrial_design_guy
11 hours ago

I approove zis message

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
12 hours ago

Didn’t know that Fourgonette translates as van. But, jeez, two engines, two transmissions, two gas tanks? Did you need a second driver to back up? Fun idea, though you may want to consider changing your sleep meds.

Chronometric
Chronometric
12 hours ago

There is a current British TV show called Whitstable Pearl where the owner of a seafood restaurant drives a blue Fourgonnette.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
12 hours ago
Reply to  Chronometric

Just watched that yesterday.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
12 hours ago

I love it, but just don’t take it to the desert. You’d roast like a chicken back there.

Tbird
Tbird
11 hours ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

Worlds largest air fryer.

DriveSheSaid
DriveSheSaid
12 hours ago
Last edited 12 hours ago by DriveSheSaid
EricTheViking
EricTheViking
12 hours ago
Reply to  DriveSheSaid

The link doesn’t seem to work.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
12 hours ago

It was a Fourgon conclusion that you would think of this.

DriveSheSaid
DriveSheSaid
12 hours ago
Reply to  Flyingstitch

Oh, Four the love of God… why couldn’t I have come with this?

Mr E
Mr E
9 hours ago
Reply to  Flyingstitch

Mais non! You beat me to it! Merde!

Last edited 9 hours ago by Mr E
Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
12 hours ago

developed a four-wheel-drive system in the simplest way possible:

I dunno, man. To me, that seems like the absolute most complicated way to turn a FWD car into a 4WD. But it is definitely the most French way to do it.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
12 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I doubt the tiny two-cylinder engine had enough power to handle the all-wheel-drive system.

Petter hjalmarsson
Petter hjalmarsson
11 hours ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

There is 4×4 kits for 2cv’s using the original engine or visa engine if you are in more of a hurry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPR8oNWH4Rw

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
5 hours ago

The 1958–1966 2CV Safari had 12.5 horsepowers (incrementally increased to 18 by the end of its production) so the friction loss for turning all of four wheels, driveshaft, and such would sap most of the power.

If the owner of the green 2CV 4×4 wanted quick and cheap route, he probably used the Méhari 4×4 chassis (1980–1983) as both 2CV and Méhari used the same chassis. The engine was also larger and more powerful (602cc and 32.8 horsepowers) so it could provide more power to all of four wheels.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
11 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Citroen didn’t have any RWD or 4WD cars at the time so this made some sense in a roundabout fashion – the only things they had to develop were new gear, clutch and throttle linkages rather than subframes, suspension components and drive shafts, and without a front to rear driveshaft the original floor pressing (which was probably key to the structure of the car) could be used too.

If you think about it, most hybrid AWD vehicles based on FWD vehicles do exactly the same thing by putting a second motor on the back axle – it’s just an electric one instead.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
5 hours ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Citroën eventually developed the 4WD system for Méhari in 1980. Méhari used the same chassis as 2CV.

Slower Louder
Slower Louder
5 hours ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

It’s also the most Torch way.

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