I’m not sure how I got started daydreaming about this, but I was thinking about something sort of like an overlanding trip. A trip to somewhere very remote and isolated, just driving something far away from any roads, something light and small and capable. Something I could sleep in, under the vast blanket of stars, but enclosed, because I’ve camped in rain enough to know I’ll be fine never camping in rain again. I thought about what kind of vehicle I’d want to do this in, and the Citroën 2CV Sahara came to mind. Remember, I was daydreaming. I can imagine weird shit like that.
You know what a 2CV Sahara was, right? These were special 2CVs built between 1960 and 1966 (with a lone one being built in 1971), never in large numbers, with only about 694 actually being built. They were originally made for oil prospectors in the Sahara desert who needed a light, rugged 4×4 vehicle to get around in.
![Vidframe Min Top](https://images-stag.jazelc.com/uploads/theautopian-m2en/vidframe_min_top1.png)
![Vidframe Min Bottom](https://images-stag.jazelc.com/uploads/theautopian-m2en/vidframe_min_bottom1.png)
The regular 2CV was only FWD, so Citroën developed a four-wheel-drive system in the simplest way possible: they shoved a second 13.5 hp air-cooled flat-twin in the rear:
There were two linked transmissions, two fuel tanks (one under each front seat) and the car could run on either engine singly, or both at once. This gave a nice bit of redundancy, because if you had a mechanical problem with one engine, you could limp home with the other.
The Sahara proved very capable off-road, as you can see:
But a Sahara isn’t really ideal to sleep in; it’s still a regular 2CV body, after all, and since I’m daydreaming, I’d prefer something I can sleep in. Citroën did make a more van-like variant of the 2CV called the Fourgonnette:
…but there was never a Sahara version of the Fourgonette. And that’s what I want for my overlanding daydream! It’d look something like this:
Like the Sahara, it would have the hood-mounted spare tire, under-seat fuel tanks, cutaway rear fenders, and, yes, the extra engine at the rear:
I’d like to relocate the air cleaner a bit lower to get the engine a bit shorter, since I’ll need to have a Volkswagen Type 2-like hump over that engine in the back there, and I want it as low as possible. I think the interior would look something like this, with a raised floor at the rear:
I could still rig a bed in there, though, with some space below it for storage or water tanks or whatever. I think this would be ideal! Here’s how I imagine it’d look from the rear:
The rear doors would be shortened to clear the rear engine bay, and it would have the Sahara-like exposed cooling fan back there.
I don’t really understand why Citroën never made a Fourgonette version of the Sahara, but I think they missed out on a fantastic opportunity. At least, you know, in my procrastination daydreams, which I’m told are a lucrative, heretofore unexplored market.
Your daydream sounds like an overly-complicated, less practical Renault 4F6 Sinpar 4×4 to me, not gonna lie. They also made them with rear windows, if that’s your thing. No fuel tanks under the front seats, though.
Yeah, those Renaults are mighty cool. However, there’s a certain je ne sais quoi about the dual-engined Sahara 2CV and the like that mono-engined vehicles just don’t have, which is the whole point of daydreaming about a Sahara fourgonnette.
Can you order one on Temu?
Were you still you in this dream? Or perhaps a shake-n-bake chicken?
I want this…. Maybe I can find a beater VW put a type 3 motor in it cut off the back and add a little corrugated tin and come close
A soft top 2CV has more room than a tin top, because you can just have things sticking up trough the roof as much as you like. I drove with a flagpole in mine once..
Also if you roll over in the desert, you can get out of the roof by poking whatever sharp object you find through it. A finger might even work. So I guess for safety as well. In a car where you sat on the gas tank… 😀
Here’s a well loaded 2CV, posted by yourself once: https://www.theautopian.com/lets-appreciate-this-iconic-citroen-2cv-image-with-the-grandfather-clock-cold-start/
I am also not that french, but I am convinced Fourgonette just means small van. So they MADE a fourgonette, CALLED the AK250, AK400, later Acadiane, and so on.
Oh, yeah, a Sahara fourgonnette would indubitably be the pinnacle of simple overlanding. Alternatively, how about a similar version of the Corvair Lakewood station wagon or Greenbrier van with the second engine in the frunk? Heck, some stock mono-engined Corvairs actually succeeded in transversing the Darién Gap: https://web.archive.org/web/20231006145311/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a36177863/corvairs-in-the-jungle-of-death/
Still, the 2CV gets my vote in the DDSBSD (Daydreaming Shitbox Showdown.)
I would renew my membership for DDSBSD alone.
Of course it would be a Fourgonette Conclusion.
Torch: there’s hope yet for you. Have you thought of reaching out to Caselani?
https://en.caselani.com/
The bodykit they’ve got the Ami is adorable.
But, perhaps, making a lifted van might satisfy the itch whilst keeping all the modern kit underneath.
I cannot help hearing jaunty accordion music when I look at this website.
As long as there’s a picnic with wine, cheese, and a baguette.
I bet Ford would have sold more Transit Connects if they’d called it a Fourgonette.
Edit: or “Fordgonette.”
It’s because the French are cowards 😉
Now take 2 Toronado motors and transmissions and a van body (Greenbriar?) and frame and have at it.
Make sure to prepare for future deafness or wear appropriate ear protection. My 1964 2cv is loud as is. Could only imagine how two engines would sound in that uninsulated sardine can 🙂
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Didn’t know that Fourgonette translates as van. But, jeez, two engines, two transmissions, two gas tanks? Did you need a second driver to back up? Fun idea, though you may want to consider changing your sleep meds.
There is a current British TV show called Whitstable Pearl where the owner of a seafood restaurant drives a blue Fourgonnette.
Just watched that yesterday.
I love it, but just don’t take it to the desert. You’d roast like a chicken back there.
Worlds largest air fryer.
https://i.sstatic.net/MNeE7.jpg
The link doesn’t seem to work.
Aw, MAN! Maybe this?
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/105867/how-many-times-has-make-it-so-been-demanded-by-anyone-other-than-picard
It was a Fourgon conclusion that you would think of this.
Oh, Four the love of God… why couldn’t I have come with this?
Mais non! You beat me to it! Merde!
I dunno, man. To me, that seems like the absolute most complicated way to turn a FWD car into a 4WD. But it is definitely the most French way to do it.
I doubt the tiny two-cylinder engine had enough power to handle the all-wheel-drive system.
There is 4×4 kits for 2cv’s using the original engine or visa engine if you are in more of a hurry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPR8oNWH4Rw
The 1958–1966 2CV Safari had 12.5 horsepowers (incrementally increased to 18 by the end of its production) so the friction loss for turning all of four wheels, driveshaft, and such would sap most of the power.
If the owner of the green 2CV 4×4 wanted quick and cheap route, he probably used the Méhari 4×4 chassis (1980–1983) as both 2CV and Méhari used the same chassis. The engine was also larger and more powerful (602cc and 32.8 horsepowers) so it could provide more power to all of four wheels.
Citroen didn’t have any RWD or 4WD cars at the time so this made some sense in a roundabout fashion – the only things they had to develop were new gear, clutch and throttle linkages rather than subframes, suspension components and drive shafts, and without a front to rear driveshaft the original floor pressing (which was probably key to the structure of the car) could be used too.
If you think about it, most hybrid AWD vehicles based on FWD vehicles do exactly the same thing by putting a second motor on the back axle – it’s just an electric one instead.
Citroën eventually developed the 4WD system for Méhari in 1980. Méhari used the same chassis as 2CV.
they did try the simple way later,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Citro%C3%ABn_BX_4TC_Evolution_cropped.jpg/1920px-Citro%C3%ABn_BX_4TC_Evolution_cropped.jpg
It’s also the most Torch way.