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Let’s Confront The Three Worst Euro-To-US Headlight Changes

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I’m an American. I’m proud to be an American, usually, and while this wonderful, messy, ridiculous, often stupid and fascinating country has many things I’m proud of (JPL, Dock Ellis’ no-hitter on LSD), there are things that cause me to cringe in shame and regret. Like our absurd and over-long obsession with sealed-beam headlights. I’m not against sealed-beams – I think they absolutely have their place and their ubiquity and affordability makes them attractive options even today – but Federal Motor Vehicle Standards made them the only option for far too long. And those rules ended up doing some terrible things to some very good cars.

Starting in 1940, all cars that would be sold in America were required to have a pair of round, 7″ sealed-beam headlamps, a dual-filament design providing for both low- and high-beams. In 1957, quad headlamps became legal, allowing for four 5.75″ lamps, with all four illuminated for high beams.

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These remained the only headlight options – two big round or four slightly smaller round – until 1975, when rectangular headlights became federalized. As with the roundies, you could have two larger or four smaller ones.

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But that was it! In Europe, custom-to-the-car headlamps of almost any shape, with replaceable bulbs, were quite common, and allowed designers a great deal more flexibility in design. America finally approved these sorts of composite lamps (even with plastic lenses) in 1986, but by then many lovely European car headlamps had been debased by the cruel federal regulations.

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There are many examples of lovely Euro lights being clumsily replaced with clunky sealed beams, but I think there are three examples that are the most tragic – not because the carmakers didn’t try to do their best to work within the American rules, but because they did try, and try hard. And yet, despite their best efforts, the result was a far cry from the original Euro lights they were designed with.

It’s tragic yes, but if we don’t confront these painful moments, we could be doomed to repeat them. So off we go.

BMW 2000CS

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The 1965-1969 BMW 2000CS was the sporty coupé variant of the Neue Klasse, and differed from its other Neue Klasse siblings in the design of the front end, which reduced the grille to just the two trademark kidneys (and some slots hiding behind the bumper), along with some wide, shaped headlamps that hugged the lower edge of the hood.

The look was pretty controversial at the time, but it was interesting, and a big part of what made it interesting were those novel, shaped lights, flush with the body and having a compelling depth to them.

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When these came to America, there really wasn’t much that could be done; the volume of the headlamps were filled in with a ribbed aluminum, and quad round sealed beams were jammed in. The car doesn’t look terrible with the sealed beams, but it makes the already polarizing front end look, as the kids say, a bit derpy, especially when compared with the purposeful look of the original.

Mercedes-Benz 280SL (W113) Pagoda

Mb280sl Lights

The 1963-1971 W113 Pagoda was a genuinely elegant and lovely car, and a lot of what made it so striking was the lighting design. The Bosch-sourced headlamp units were designed to follow and finish the line and shape of the fenders, and incorporated a headlamp, indicator, and foglamp under one large, domed chunk of fluted glass.

These are really striking-looking units and help give the front end a lot of its elegance with their jewelry-like presence. The US market version doesn’t actually look bas at all, and the round sealed beams and large indicator lens do fill the area well, requiring only a minimum of ribbed clear plastic filler, but its just not the same as the original custom Bosch units.

They’re a hell of a lot cheaper to replace, though.

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Citroën SM

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Out of all of these luminary federalized debasements, this one is by far the worst. It’s the worst not just because the USDM face looks so much worse, but because changing the lights loses one of the most exciting and functional details of the original car: the headlamps that self-leveled and turned with the steering wheel.

Here, look at them in action on this partially-disassembled SM:

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The original SM’s headlight treatment broke more than one federal lighting standard: not only were the lamps themselves not approved sealed-beam sizes or shapes, but they were set behind a panel of shaped glass, which was also against Uncle Sam’s strangely strict lighting rules, for some reason.

The original SM’s lights are an absolute triumph of headlight design and execution: they fit the overall swanky-spaceship look of the SM, they added genuine safety benefits, and they just made the car cooler.

The US market version, on the other hand, looks faintly ridiculous. The four round headlamps are set strangely far apart from one another, inset into plastic alcoves trimmed in chrome. The result is strange and awkward, and ruins the otherwise dramatic look of the car’s front end.

These were, ironically, dark times for headlights, and I pity the designers that had to try and debase these fantastic bits of lighting design to meet our strange, probably Puritan-inspired standards. I respect their attempts, despite their sometimes lackluster results.

Are there other examples that should be mentioned? Let’s discuss, at length, loudly, until they kick us out!

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Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
1 month ago

We have many US imported R107s (erhm, 1972-89 Mercedes-Benz SLs to regular people…) over here, and they are pretty bad, with the dual sealed beams sticking ot into the corner blinkers, ruining the lines. Usually with really ugly big black park bench bumpers and very thirsty 450 engines in them too.

But the SM is the worst one ever, I agree.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago

Why Mercedes-Benz didn’t switch to the larger rectangular headlamps for its R107 when they became legal in 1975 is beyond me. R107 had a couple of facelifts, minor in 1980 and major (with semi-recessed door handles and deeper front air dam) in 1985, which should be no excuse for Mercedes-Benz not to switch to different headlamps for R107.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
1 month ago

It’s 11:30pm on Hella Boulevard, closing time at The Sealed Beam bar and grille. Torchinsky had been in earlier in the evening, wisely leaving before sunset but not before triggering a heated debate over which had the best headlight covers. The spirited discussion had started pleasantly enough with broad appreciation of the 1965 Buick Riviera clamshells, but rapidly descended into a full-on brawl between rival factions arguing for the 1972 Mercury Marquis Brougham and 1979 Ford Thunderbird. Now that the last of the regulars had driven out onto the halogen highway, the owner was ready to lock up.

‘At least it won’t cost much to replace the mood lighting,’ muttered Ford to himself as he swept up the last of the broken glass from the floor, though he was sad to see a couple of poorly placed side-marker lamps had fallen victim to the melee.

With a weary yank on the lever behind the bar, the vacuum-pump driven shutters slide into place over the front door, and the dim yellow lights over the sidewalk fade to a faint orange glow as the burning filaments cool.

Meanwhile, across the street, things are just getting started at the Europop nightclub. A strobing neon light bar streaks across the front of the building, luring middle class businessmen into the luxurious interior, like moths drawn to a flickering amber flame.

Having shed their business attire, the Audi and BMW crowd at Europop race across the dancefloor, their movements as unpredictable as their sporadic use of signature lightsticks. Citroën & Renault sit comfortably in a booth on the back wall, illuminating all around them with their charismatic charm, directional headlamps, and glowing cigarettes.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago

This comment should be featured!

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago

The hate for US market SLs over the model years surprises me. I like my R107 far better with the dual roundies than the euro spec headlights. And that pagoda looks almost the same as the Euro version, so I don’t see how it’s in the top three given what they did to the SM.

No Kids, Just Bikes
No Kids, Just Bikes
1 month ago

Hard, hard disagree. I impulse-bought our SL because it had been converted to Euro headlights and bumpers. I think it looks far more elegant than the sealed-beams and bench bumpers that were required here in the land of cheese eagles.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago

I had a 80 or so SAAB 900 turbo 5 door. Great chairs and decent performance that was a bit too much for its fragile 5 speed gearbox. The us version came w/ single rectangular lights that were cozily nestled in crappy argent (gray) surrounds. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-saab-900-turbo/
The Euro version had big old glass blocks w/H4 lamps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Automobile

The E-Code Europe lamps were night & day better than the 3 fireflies in a jug that were the crappy seals beams. After I put the euros in, my wife was waiting at a red light when the local 50 pulled up alongside her. She had the windows rolled down and the cop looked at the front of the car and said “nice lights”, then just drove off.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

I also put the glass European (T87?) headlamps on my 96 Impala SS, along with “clear corners” hoping for better light patterns. Sadly, it didn’t work out as well as the SAAB did. They were glass though, so they didn’t fog up and yellow.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

T84 (right-hand rule of road) and T85 (left-hand rule of road). If you could source the T84 headlamps for Chevrolet Caprice/Impala, they are worth much more than the car itself. The last time I saw a set in ebay, they were selling for €2,000. GM stopped making them in the early 2000s, and some countries don’t allow the US headlamps due to the higher glare level. So, some owners were desperate…

The export headlamps for Caprice/Impala were designed by a junior engineer who was assigned this task shortly after she was hired. She was just following the guidelines in the regulations. That’s why they were not so good, yet I would prefer the export headlamps over US ones.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

Oh, they were better than the stock plastic USA bricks, just not as good ss the Saab’s Euro lights. The local impala club counted at least 3 sets of the T-84s. Fortunately, my wife appreciated the benefits of the Euro lights, so she did not complain about the relativel (to current prices) nominal cost to buy and install the T-84s.

Spyrius Robot
Spyrius Robot
1 month ago

Anybody else think the 2000CS looks better with the sealed beams?
No?
Just me?
Okay, then.

Last edited 1 month ago by Spyrius Robot
Hautewheels
Hautewheels
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyrius Robot

Not at all – I’m here for you, buddy. I also think the US version of the Pagoda looked better. That Citroën, though? Uggggggh.

CUlater
CUlater
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyrius Robot

Sorry, I’m still stuck on why the US one is RHD in the picture. Nice autopian plate though, but that tiny detail makes the US RHD thing even more puzzling… and off the OCD rabbit hole we go…

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 month ago
Reply to  CUlater

I suspect it was flipped around for graphic design purposes.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyrius Robot

Same! I’m partial to the round sealed beams these days though…

Beached Wail
Beached Wail
1 month ago

The OG BMW New Class 2000 sedan (1966) had arguably sleeker rectangular Euro headlamps than the 2000 coupe. When the sedan was federalized for the US with 4 sealed beams, it took on the appearance of your friends in junior high who got orthodontic gear.

By the time the E9 (2800 CS) was introduced in 1968, BMW had figured out how to make quad round headlamps look sleek and aggressive, with the same styling for the Euro and US versions.

S gerb
S gerb
1 month ago

You guys know that there are Europeans who like to swap in American headlamps?

‘Grass is greener over there’ effect

Most of these look pretty similar

Now euro tail lights and bumpers are a legitimate upgrade!

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  S gerb

In the 1970s, the Europeans associated the four round headlamps as “powerful” or sporty since they were often used in the races.

Case in point: the first generation Scirocco had two different headlamp systems. The versions with puny engines had rectangular headlamps while the powerful or sportier versions had four round headlamps. It was common for the Scirocco owners to upgrade theirs to “sportier versions” as to hide their cheapstake-ness.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

Oh man, the first gen Scirocco was gorgeous…

FuzzyPlushroom
FuzzyPlushroom
1 month ago
Reply to  S gerb

In Volvo-land, the Swedes want American-spec quad lights for their 240s and 740s/760s for their style, I suppose, and those of us in North America covet the “E-code” rectangles. (US cars with plastic “TV screen” buckets are the exception – those NA factory lights don’t get much love, as they aren’t much brighter than Hondaimpbmw 12’s wife’s Saab’s lights must’ve been.)

There are folks here (edit: in North America, not Autopians, as far as I know) who’ve run 7″ single-rounds in buckets from a Volvo semi (which also came with full-amber corner lenses to add to the oddball/late-’70s look; the factory ones are “clear corners” in comparison, especially if one were to oh-so-dangerously remove the bit of reflective amber inside – which I haven’t, of course, but I’ve had ’em apart) and others who’ve modified the factory buckets. Alas, I never got around to it with any of mine.

Last edited 1 month ago by FuzzyPlushroom
Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
27 days ago
Reply to  FuzzyPlushroom

To be clear, Mrs. hondaimpbmw12’s SAAB had the horrible 7” rectangular sealed beams as delivered in the US. We went to the SAAB e-code glass blocks after an incident that required headlight replacement. Those lights were a revelation; they revealed objects a lot farther down the road in high beams and dipped beams.

MeirdaCaja
MeirdaCaja
1 month ago

BMW and Mercedes from the 80s and 90s all took a hit when they came to the US, and by conforming to the USDOT standards, the lights completely ruined every car’s look. The W123 with the Euro style lights looked awesome, until we slapped on the double rounds, which looked dorky. The E30 with integrated parking lights on the low beam, beautiful. How about we ruin them by making them non-projection halogens? Now it looks like a cheap GM product until the projector beams were approved from
1987 on.

I’m with you, Torch. The European standards are a lot more strigent and way more comprehensive than ours, why not adapt to their standards and have a better system all around? The non-amber rear turn signals suck, and not having a rear facing fog light…Are you kidding me?! That’s one of the best attributes from Europe, and everyone should adopt it!

Alpine 911
Alpine 911
1 month ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

In most situations you don’t need the rear fog light and it’s more than annoying having unaware drivers putting it on in non-fog conditions

A4A
A4A
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpine 911

Blinding drivers behind you is a feature, not a bug. More USDM cars being able to flash the dumbass lifted truck behind them with high beams blaring into their mirror would solve so many problems.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  A4A

Silver conspicuity reflective tape is pretty effective at bouncing glare back at tailgaters.
It has to be the dot grade.
Solid silver is available from 1 inch up

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpine 911

Many cars now reset the rear fog light on key-off, and even when you are following a car with its rear fog light on it’s no brighter than a brake light, and has to be legally positioned far enough from the actual brake lights that you can’t mix them up.

In my experience you’ll see a few cars with their rear fog light on for a couple of days after fog. It’s not a problem.

However, in fog the improvement in visibility is huge. It’s like cars without fogs might as well have no lights on at all.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  Alpine 911

I am terrified in bad weather without rear fogs.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

I modified the headlight switch on my E93 BMW to have the rear fog light. Makes me feel better driving in the foothills when the fog rolls in.

MeirdaCaja
MeirdaCaja
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

Absolutely! Of course, people have to know how to use one correctly so they don’t act like dickheads and put them on for no reason. But we should start using them here. Btw, I did the “Lego mod” on my E90 for the rear fogs as well.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

Absolutely! Of course, people have to know how to use one correctly so they don’t act like dickheads and put them on for no reason

I followed some chowderhead in an Audi that had the single rear fog light on on a clear night. I don’t know if the rear fog incident the front fogs, but it was totally annoying and distracting.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

US finally allowed the ECE headlamps in 1991 for the passenger vehicles despite the fact that US allowed them on the motorcycles for decades. However, the H4 bulbs were “specifically built with tighter tolerance” and renamed as HB2 in the US.

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

The old we don’t wan’t it unless we make it or you make it special just for us.
There was basis in some of it once with safety standards and/or emission standards, the USA changed World standards. Now it’s largely just being different for the sake of being different, it gains added costs. It is easy to understand which pocket that comes from and who it protects.
Things need global standards if there is a bidirectional global market, but…… we’ll see.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  CSRoad

United States participated in the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations in the early 1990s. The only thing that US obliged was allowing the ECE headlamps, and that’s it.

The Americans claimed that the United States is so “different” from Europe in term of geography, road designs, etc. as the “excuse” for not harmonising with the international standards. Yet, Australia is very similar to the US in many aspects and has incorporated many of the ECE regulations in its Australian Design Rules since 1970s, leading to wider choice of brands, models, etc.

I wonder the new US Department of Government Efficiency would look into whether NHTSA is useful or a waste of tax money along with the FMVSS regulations that put lot of financial burden on the manufacturers to develop the vehicles for two different sets of technical regulations.

Last edited 1 month ago by EricTheViking
Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

My Volvos had rear fogs and amber tails, so not prohibited.
Red turn signals are bizarre.

MeirdaCaja
MeirdaCaja
24 days ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

Only some Euro cars made it over to the US with them, and other car manufacturers either conceals them or delete them. My E90 had it all along, but the rear fog button was replaced with a dummy cover, and there was no bulb in the slot, so I put a bulb in, and did the “Lego mod,” (do a search for “e90 Lego mod” if you’re interested), and tada, rear fog light.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
24 days ago
Reply to  MeirdaCaja

Hot rodders credo
“If it doesn’t work, change it!”

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

Citroen scared the shit out of Detroit, so they had to be banned. They would’ve absolutely freaked the fuck out had Citroen still been here when the CX was released!

The SM is *the* definitive answer here. Nothing else comes close to how ridiculous that one was.

The Pigeon
The Pigeon
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I wouldn’t say “scared the shit” out of them. As the adage goes, the French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French. It’s just a lot of “standards” are that. Though SAE and NHTSA had/have some maybe silly rules in retrospect, they were firm in their beliefs that using these standards makes a safe(ish) car. Obviously over time these have been relaxed, but this was in the early stages of safety standards from all markets, and so there was going to be a lot of consternation regarding relaxing/adjusting these basically brand new standards. An immediate relaxation for a foreign company would’ve undermined the authority of a fledgling government entity that had JUST published their first set of rules. (NHTSA coming about in 1970)

From an engineering standpoint: Looks be damned! Build a safe car for our people! (even though later we’ll be like…whoops those were sweet and actually probably better because we underestimated the durability of headlamps and illuminating in the specific direction of travel is advantageous. Sorry Tucker. [shrug])

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago
Reply to  The Pigeon

the US standards weren’t made to be better. They were made to be different.

Why are red turn signals still allowed?

The UNECE regulations were written by engineers. The US regulations were written by lobbyists 🙁

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Yeah, they were so scared of Citroen that they continued enforcing the exact same lighting regulations that had been in place for 30+ years

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

the height adjustability ban was repealed in 1981, and sealed beams were no longer required starting in 1983…

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Yep, and Citroen went bankrupt and withdrew from the US in 1974, mainly due to a combination of the effects of the oil crisis, losses on their Maserati investment, and the expenses incurred in their rotary engine program.

Chris Stevenson
Chris Stevenson
1 month ago

I’d say the Pagoda Mercedes is one of the most successful conversions. The US sealed beams don’t look nearly as good as the Euro design, but the round lamps and large indicators fit the overall design better than your other two examples.

Lithiumbomb
Lithiumbomb
1 month ago

The unpleasant federalization of the Neue Klasse sedans and coupes arguably influenced BMW design language to this day. The E3 and E9 both had quad headlights which avoided any major federal overhauls, as have most BMW’s made since.

Rick Garcia
Rick Garcia
1 month ago

The headlights didn’t change the fact that the 2000CS was ugly.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Rick Garcia

Oh! 🙁 I think it’s kind of lovely. Takes all kinds I suppose. 🙂

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

The “kind of” is doing a lot of the work here.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago

:-P! I guess I’m the only one who anthropomorphizes the 2000CS into a charming, bespectacled woman still wearing braces into adulthood?

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

Does that mean that in 50 years we’ll look back at the BMW XM and exclaim “what a cute little pig!”

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

Almost certainly I expect. Not that I’ll be around to exclaim about anything 50 years from now. 😉

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago

The Ferrari Daytona 365 GTB/4 the one really sticks in my head are variations for the US market prior to the disappearing headlight covers. I tried to search out examples of the US weirdness both innies and outies, but history seems to have fixed itself. Anyway IIRC Euro was plastic covered and the US versions were bug eye or recessed.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  CSRoad

They were pop up headlights and they arguably looked better, though I liked them both for different reasons.

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Not that simple although it was the best solution. IIRC the pop-up lights were 1971 vintage.
The four fixed bug eye lights were quickly introduced in 1968 as I quess they didn’t pay much attention to new US laws, which controlled covered lenses and beam height. They were body colored to make them look worse. They didn’t survive to regular production. I think the follow up fixed lights were less bug eye and silver.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  CSRoad

The regulations started in ’68, so the fixed lights never met regulations. IIRC, the pop ups weren’t just due to the covers, but also the height. Later, I believe global Daytonas got the pop ups. For a while, the pop up models had a (optional?) silver stripe on the body work where the plexi panel would have been. Competition models had lower, sunken fixed lights behind clear plastic (as opposed to the fluted early Euro design), but those weren’t road cars. There were a few early prototypes that had kind of 275 headlights blended in, smartly binned for production.

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Competition cars were a different game, I vaguely remember an endurance car, has to be in the early 1970’s and the whole front was mostly lights and clear plastic and elongated bulbous lumps over the center lights.

Nick Fortes
Nick Fortes
1 month ago
Reply to  CSRoad

The convertible one in Miami Vice had square lights behind plastic covers which was kind of strange.

CSRoad
CSRoad
1 month ago
Reply to  Nick Fortes

There is complicated story in that show, the original car was a Corvette replica job. Ferrari was annoyed and it was replaced. I don’t know the real story of how the money and lawyers shook out.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nick Fortes

They were replicas on Corvette chassis (originally, there was supposed to be a real one owned by a producer, I believe, but insurance or change of mind or something canceled that, though that yellow car is shown at some point at the shop where Crockett brings his cars). Enzo didn’t like them using fakes, so he sent them Testarossa(s) in response. Part of the deal was that they had to destroy the “Daytona” on the show, which they did. The car(s) Ferrari sent was/were black, but they didn’t stand out well on camera at night, so they painted them the now iconic white. (This is mentioned in the show. When he shows it off to Tubbs, Crocket says that the car had a fresh repaint, implying it was the black car originally driven by Liam Neeson’s criminal character in a previous episode and attained by asset seizure.) There was at least one Testarossa replica made for stunts using a Pantera chassis. IIRC, there were 3 total “Testarossas”, but I can’t remember if it was two real or two fakes. Anyway, the fake is pretty obvious when you watch it.

Nick Fortes
Nick Fortes
27 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

All these episodes make so much sense now. I have been rewatching them recently now that I am older and can understand them and recognize all the guest faces.

Cerberus
Cerberus
27 days ago
Reply to  Nick Fortes

That’s much of the fun. I rewatched it a few years back merely hoping I could stand it longer than my attempt at The A-Team (loved it as a kid, but only made it a long 20 minutes as an adult) and thought it held up a lot better than that. Of course, there are some goofy and weird episodes (I still don’t know if I love or hate the hilariously ridiculous doll killer one), but it was a fun watch and it was great spotting people. It would be interesting to see a modern take where it wouldn’t have to conform to broadcast standards, the long character arcs could be emphasized, and some of the cheesiness cut out. I don’t know who could do it right, though. I didn’t dislike the movie, but I also barely remember it as it missed the mark—Miami in the ’80s is an essential character and the show had more humor, intentional or otherwise, to balance the dark story lines.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

The older shows are, the fewer commercials they had broadcast, so many shows are butchered beyond recognition in reruns now.
You have to see the original uncut shows to judge.
Mash had its best joke cut.
Addams Family on tbs had every single fun part cut out.
I was so happy to find them complete again.

Cerberus
Cerberus
25 days ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

I streamed somewhere ad-free, though now ads have infected some of the streaming platforms to the point where I wonder if it’s worse than cable. At least Cable didn’t have this ridiculous BS where they ask you which ad you prefer them to drill into you like a Guantanamo enhanced interrogation technique. Like I care, Hulu! They all suck (except for one with Penelope Cruz on an airplane . . . I guess the ad is for an airline?), and I’m not placated by your sad attempt to convince me I have agency beyond shutting this off (and doing what I should be doing), just get it over with!

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
24 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Commercials are offensive enough, but when they replace part of the show, it’s too much.
I used to record everything so I could skip ads.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago

Great work Jason! 😀

I happen to really like sealed-beam headlights, mainly because they’re cheap and usually easy to replace. TBH, it doesn’t hurt that I don’t drive at night nearly as much as I used to, but even if I did, I’d be damned, tarred-and-feathered, and a monkey’s uncle before I’d ever willingly own a car w/super-expensive fancy headlights like my neighbor’s BMW 5-series Gran Coupe (or whatever TF it’s called) where replacing a single headlight cost him well over $2,000. And the car’s barely a decade old!

I also like it when cars with sealed beams have a plastic cover (maybe it’s lexan?) over them for aerodynamics and/or aesthetics. I’m sure there are better examples, but every time I see a late 1960s/early 1970s Citroen DS at the “Best of France and Italy” car show at Woodley Park https://www.franceanditaly.com and I behold the grace and practicality of its faired-in headlights (I assume the plastic covers aren’t original, since they’re clear, rather than cloudy and yellowed) I’m re-smitten. Of course, I’m pre-smitten due to the plethora of Citroens to begin with. 😉

I’ve also always loved the vertically oriented headlights on the W113 Mercedes, either in their original Euro form, or their admittedly compromised US version. I only drove a W113 once, like almost 30 years ago, and it was no sports car despite the diminutive size and lithe appearance, but boy, it put a smile on my face to tug at its big, thin steering wheel and see the world go by through that tall, unobstructed greenhouse. 🙂

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

Those covers were often glass and they were outlawed in ’68.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I’ll discreetly tap on it next time I see a DS. 😉

S gerb
S gerb
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott

Sealed beam fans ended up having the last laugh, with so many DOT legal LED retrofit options in that size range now, you can make any sealed beam classic car have good modern lighting.

While the halogen headlamps are really just stuck with standard bulbs because no one has been able to design a truly road legal LED bulb that works in reflector housing headlights

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  S gerb

I’ll get right on it! 😉

Yah, all the ‘angel eye’ LED swaps for NA Miatas tempt me, even if you see them everywhere.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  Scott

SM covers were glass.
I saw one over the round lamps.

Scott
Scott
24 days ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

I assumed glass to on the DS because of how clear they were… either that, or they were new. There were tiny lines in them too (the ones I saw, though I think I saw some w/o lines too) which were nice, though I presume it’s just decorative.

Here’s a pic: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.ZZ5tw9bJ4lnY2zTp5fZadgHaFe%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=63cfcbdcfca6de6b8f42c3cea2aa451bae2d6b0f04f6c44f512f131c4116c6ca&ipo=images

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
24 days ago
Reply to  Scott

Nice!

MrLM002
MrLM002
1 month ago

I actually like the round headlights on the VW Golf

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Oh, me too! I remember feeling torn about whether or not to spend $$ converting my Rabbit GTI to the round lights and grill from the Euro version. I wound up spending the money on a set of adjustable Tokiko shocks instead (which of course I barely ever bothered to adjust).

Bucko
Bucko
1 month ago
Reply to  MrLM002

I like the four round headlights on the 1975-1981 Scirocco over the rectangular “TV” units that show up on some (but not all) early Sciroccos. Second gen Sciroccos always look better with the Euro units.

US Golfs (MK1 and MK2) look okay either way to my eyes. For the MK1 Golf (Rabbit), the rectangular units look good only when paired with the wrap-around turn signals.

I’m equally ambivalent about Vanagon round and rectangular lights.

The VW Quantum looked better with the four US rectangular units than the rectangular blocks they put in toward the end of their run. Early Quantum (Passat) Euro lights looked best.

Early MK1 Jettas always looked best with US quad rectangle units. I never liked the Euro rectangles on that car.

That’s it for my Volkswagen US lighting opinions that I’m sure nobody cares about.

Scott
Scott
19 days ago
Reply to  Bucko

I care Bucko. And Jason probably does too! Saw a beautiful ’84 Rabbit in bright blue at last weekend’s Griffith Park Cars & Coffee… it made me very nostalgic indeed. 🙂

PS: the owner had converted to round headlights and euro bumpers, etc…

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Oh, fuf. I’ve just never seen these headlight compliance issues as any big deal.
Now, on the other hand, let’s talk about those 5-mph bumpers.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago

AH! The Euro bumpers was ANOTHER popular conversion item for A1 VWs! Never did that one either, despite the aluminum US-spec bumpers (on my ’84 GTI) being a lot weaker than they looked.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

Yeah, it used to be such a nightmare not having a $2,000 repair bill every time someone lightly tapped you while parallel parking, thank God those days are over.

Also, I am really loving the fact that any broken or burned out headlight can no longer be replaced at any supermarket or gas station for $20

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Shit, the Armco-grade bumpers on some of my 70s boats could take a 20-mph hit and spring back. Once I had to use a chain and a tree to pull one out.
And yeah, now a light tap disables a dozen electronic systems, cracks the core support, and makes a body shop owner very happy.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago

One year LTD had 50 mph bumpers with friction mounted supports and shear off bolts.

Scott
Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Not quite $20., but if you’re willing to drive a 30 year old Miata and source parts online, you can replace both headlamps for under $50. https://www.partsgeek.com/4zyk6wk-mazda-miata-headlight-assembly-set.html?gb=pp&cid=28884375&aid=4168799368&kid=1100003048886&msclkid=5968e77406fc1b8ec50080c4fe82bd70&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%28BSC%29&utm_term=1100003048886&utm_content=Mazda But yes, you’re right… they’re not everywhere nice and cheap anymore.

I suppose we had to give that up in order to get touchscreens with cheesy GUI menus in modern cars. 🙁

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Marc Fuhrman
Marc Fuhrman
1 month ago

One example I would like to talk about is the Rover SD1. The European version is a very sharp and modern (for the times) design. It is rather quite sleek and aerodynamic looking.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/1980_Rover_2600_mk_1_in_blue_at_SD1_Club_Day.jpg

Then you have the USDM version. The replacement of the lights with four sealed beams, along with the addition of the 5 mph crash bumper and different grill intake, really makes the car look derpy.
https://hips.hearstapps.com/autoweek/assets/s3fs-public/130729937.jpg

I honestly don’t know why they didn’t go for the rectangle sealed beams rather than the round ones. They were legal at the time and probably would have fit the design far better. Luckily seeing one is going to be a rare occurrence, since Rover only sold 1,100 of these in the US back in 1980-81.

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago
Reply to  Marc Fuhrman

OH NO, what did they do to that poor thing.

That said, as a piece of engineering, that Rover wasn’t England’s finest, so it’s just as well they didn’t sell many here.

Bill D
Bill D
1 month ago

The cars were so awful and left such a bad taste in peoples’ mouths this side of the pond, that when Rover introduced the 825/827 to the US market after a few years’ absence, it was badged as a “Sterling” to avoid association with the Rover name. I remember in the ’90s I used to see one in the parking lot where i worked. I don’t know who owned it, but the body was rotted so badly it looked like Swiss cheese.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  Marc Fuhrman

Inexplicably, Rover chose the weirdest route with the US headlamps for its SD1: the US headlamp brackets were welded to the body. If one wants to install the ECE headlamps on the US version, the brackets must be cut away and new brackets for ECE headlamps welded on.

Rover could have switched to rectangular headlamps prior to the US introduction in 1979. However, Rover was very cash-strapped and couldn’t even afford to make some changes to the rectangular headlamps (not just engineering cost but complicance cost).

CUlater
CUlater
1 month ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

Now this is prima facia evidence of how much deeper the Autopian automotive knowledge mine runs than any other site… Wow. Just wow.

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LTDScott
LTDScott
1 month ago
Reply to  Marc Fuhrman

Shoulda checked before I posted.

Citrus
Citrus
1 month ago

Interestingly, I think the Canadian SM was spared the ignominy of the American version, at least going by the one on display at the Western Development Museum in North Battleford, SK. That, or someone just imported one from Europe before it broke so hard he donated it to a museum.

Patrick
Patrick
1 month ago
Reply to  Citrus

I was wondering the same thing. I haven’t seen many SMs, no more than 5 for sure, but they always had the euro headlights. I remember the first one when I was a kid in the mid 90s, striking design. Everyone remembers their first SM haha.

(I was already quite aware of Citroen, as fam in Belgium were a chevron household and I already had a thing for the 2cv since I was 5 and rid in my cousin’s..They unfortunately didn’t own an SM !)

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
1 month ago

For the longnose SAAB 95 and 96 there are strong opinions in both directions. Some people really like the oval-headlight version:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51374040596_c20f059488_c.jpg

and others are equally fond of the round-headlight version:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51362370129_090c990e2a_c.jpg

It’s pretty easy to convert from one to the other as the entire front panel that holds the headlights and grille can be taken off with just a couple of bolts. I’ve heard of people shipping these back and forth between the US and Europe to accommodate personal preferences. I don’t think I’d ever go to this much trouble with mine, although the version with headlight wipers is tempting:

https://live.staticflickr.com/1169/1407353348_7107b993fd_c.jpg

Paul E
Paul E
1 month ago

The XJ40 era of Jaguar XJs had a fairly awful-looking set of US-spec lights when those finally made it to the US in the late-80s/early-90s, as compared to the UK/Euro/ROW lights.

Mgb2
Mgb2
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul E

And while the Series-era XJ didn’t have composite lamps outside of the US, they used a 7″ outer and 5.75″ inner lamp. But the US rules didn’t allow that mix, so it became two 5.75″ lamps per side, with the outer lamp’s trim ring growing to fill the gap. It’s not terrible, but once you’ve seen the intended configuration, the US setup just doesn’t look right. A great many owners have remedied this issue on their own.

Derek van Veen
Derek van Veen
1 month ago
Reply to  Mgb2

The BMW E28 suffered the same lighting fate (getting rid of the two different sized lamps) when it came to the US.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  Derek van Veen

Same with E23 as well.

535isdude
535isdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Derek van Veen

Came here to say this

Thomas The Tank Engine
Thomas The Tank Engine
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul E

If we are talking Jag headlights then the XJS needs to be included in the conversation.

OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
1 month ago

The S-class W126, with the rectangular headlamp and fog light recessed instead of flush, like the European version. Pretty much the rest of the Benz lineup of that era had ugly US headlights.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago
Reply to  OttosPhotos

You know this is probably where I think BMW wins out the 80s era.

Yeah the non-euro Merc lights were not great, but all BMW needed to do was replace the sealed beams with halogen H4 units, which I did on my E30 318IS when I had it. Wasn’t too big a difference.

Derek van Veen
Derek van Veen
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

THIS. Although Euro Smilies would have been nice to have on my 318iS (or 325iS).

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Check out the Peugeot 504’s headlights vs what they got federalized to. A crime against humanity and aesthetics. And pretty much any late 70s/80s Mercedes.

Even the international versions of the late-80s Honda Accord’s headlights looked so much cooler. Yes, the US versions were pop-ups that were fun. I had one, and neither motor entrusted with that task failed, but I saw some that did, and it was sad.

OTH, the halogens on the earlier 80s Volvo 2-series reminded me of Celestial Goldfish eyes and made me a little nauseous. But I am not sure the sealed beams looked better.

I’m lucky I have a garage and the Lexan (or whatever) lenses of my last couple of cars have not gotten UV-fogged. And the LED headlights of the ’17 MDX I used to co-own were amazeballs.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago

Depends on the type of 504 you want?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TvB0LjtbOZc/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLA34akIxB0s45TjuWmjpTIfaXP-fw
Me the sealed-beam look was more rally-spec vs road car.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

Well, I had never seen that treatment before. So, thank you for sharing that! Mine was a ’71 with the quad sealed beams and the kinda cat-eye-ish halogens looked cooler to me.

People say there were certain models of Mercedes that were over-engineered, but the 504 was right up there. Not as luxurious, but incredibly sturdy.

From the article below:

The 504 was noted for its robust body structure, long suspension travel, high ground clearance, large wheels and torque tube driveshaft – enclosed in a rigid tube attached at each end to the gearbox housing and differential casing, relieving drivetrain torque reactions. The 504 ultimately achieved widespread popularity in far-flung rough-terrain countries – including Latin America and much of Africa.[8]

Peugeot 504 – Wikipedia

Mine, bought used with 60K miles (for $1,500), gave me 90K more miles with minimal maintenance.

It was not a high-performance vehicle, but it was incredibly durable. And I miss it in a nostalgic way.

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago

Hard disagree, as someone with two of those maligned MBs.

I do agree some models looked better in Euro spec, but certainly not all of them. I don’t think I’d even own an R107 if it had the Euro headlights and bumpers.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Having a couple of misbehaving MBs makes me sad. A misboughten Bavaria and marrying into an X5, I definitely feel your pain.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post. Bottom line, I almost always liked the Euro spec headlights better than what we got here.

Harvey Park Bench
Harvey Park Bench
1 month ago

Mine are reasonably well behaved. I called them maligned because a lot of folks seem to hate the US spec headlights and bumpers, but I personally like them better in US spec, especially the SL.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
27 days ago

That’s nice/GOOD! I’m still a sucker for European spec headlights. I love the old 280 SL, but I’m not sure I’d like to drive it, daily. I rode in one once and it’s was kind of meh. But dang, they were pretty.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

I’d like to see you, The Bishop or Adrian rework the front ends of some classic American iron if US manufacturers had been allowed the freedom to incorporate light shapes adapted to car design versus designs that had to work around standard sealed beam lamps.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

They used rectangular Cibie units on concept cars as early as the mid 60s, and there are cars like the Opel Rekord C that hint of what might have been.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago

Then you have times where the sealed-beam round lights nuked the looks of the halogen bulb set-up. Off the top of my head I think of the 242GT. It was that sort of “We have X amount of time at the rally repair stage and 4 screws is better than micro managing a halogen bulb.”

Also I do love Technology Connection’s video on the US’s use of sealed beam headlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2J91UG6Fn8

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

One of the weird, but I would a bought it if I had the cash: An 1984 Lincoln Conti Mark VII with the BMW-Diesel 4 and 5-speed. Blue with tan interior. Hopefully anybody who bought it in the Reno, NV Area wave their hands!

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Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

I’ll argue against the Mercedes W113 – and any Mercedes with vertically oriented headlights. I prefer the versions with round headlights, although I would replace the sealed-beams with what we used to call “E-codes”. The European headlights look too bulky to me.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

The W123 is another Mercedes that I think looks better with US headlights, adds more visual interest to the front end. Actually, that one wasn’t totally US-specific, the lower trim European market cars had them, too

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

The “tombstone” headlamps found on W118/W119, W113, and W100 had somewhat poor light output. So, some owners would swap them for the US version with four round headlamps, using the ECE headlamp capsules with H4 and H1 bulbs. Even Mercedes-Benz gradually switched to the US version for the W118/W119 sold in European and international markets during the late 1960s.

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