Many writers on this site and those of you reading now are critical of General Motors’ efforts in the later part of the last century, and indeed, the world’s biggest automaker at the time did make some major, head-scratching missteps. It often seemed The General managed to stay in business despite itself, like a giant boulder continuing to roll with the momentum of its huge mass, but crumbling nonetheless.
Personally, I would have to sum up my feelings towards GM of this era as “disappointed” uttered in the same low tone your dad might use after you wrecked the family car. While GM did have its share of irredeemable offerings such as the Cadillac Cimmaron, most of the automaker’s failures were imaginative, innovative, and just this close to world-dominating greatness – see Chevy Corvair, Cadillac Allante, the early front-drive X-cars, and even the dreaded Vega.
Despite their flaws, many of GM’s undercooked offerings went on to be improved or even perfected to the levels the talented designers and engineers had in mind from the start, usually just before the models were discontinued thanks to the reputation of their prematurely-launched predecessors.
The prime example of a GM flop-fix-forget cycle is arguably the P-Body, sold as the Pontiac Fiero starting in 1984. It’s a perfect example of a General Motors car that didn’t live up to the promise of its looks, and when it was finally improved enough to be a decent car, it was too late.
The steel frame with detachable, dent-resistant plastic body panels was revolutionary and allowed for easy replacement of damaged components, and even the potential to swap the stock panels for style-transforming optional versions. Look at that baseball just bouncing off the skin in the inset image below; I’m surprised Pontiac didn’t show how apple pie could be easily wiped off the hood for the maximum American vibe.
Ultimately, the Fiero was the sole mass-production model built on the P-Body platform. The mass-production distinction is there because GM only produced a little over 1,000 examples of the only other offering on the platform, and every one of those was unceremoniously crushed. That car was the EV1. Oh, GM …
But what if the P-Body had been allowed to be more than just a two-seat sports car? Could it have lived on – or at least escaped untainted by the branding of “failure”?
More P-Cars For The People: The 2+2
I recently uncovered a one-off example of a Fiero that Pontiac commissioned in the late eighties as attempt to improve the practicality of this by-then slow-selling car, and I think it could have been a key to an unrealized potential for this underappreciated design.
For every positive thing in the automotive world, there seems to be a corresponding negative aspect. Most enthusiasts love two-seat sports cars and even pickups; the smallest and seemingly most elemental vehicle is probably going to have the greatest fun-to-drive factor. At the same time, sales of two-seaters are typically going to be very limited; larger manufacturers see them as merely niche or halo products, not profitable machines with room for at least four people.
Ford famously changed the Thunderbird from the two-seater 1955-57 body style to the much larger four-seat 1958 car; sales quadrupled compared to the early car. The Nissan Z series was popular in the seventies but made even more popular by the addition of a 2+2 variation in 1974 and continued through almost all subsequent models (though the four-seater was sold as an Infiniti G35/37 in later versions).
Naturally, somebody at Pontiac must have known this fact and saw it as a possible savior for the by-then-struggling Fiero. This one-off 2+2 example was created by subcontractor AutoFab to test the idea, and it ended up going nowhere since the fate of the P-car was likely already decided by then.
This sole example escaped the crusher and was sold at an auction of GM concept cars; it now belongs to Fiero guru Fred Bartemeyer and lives at the Pontiac Oakland Museum and Research Center.
As with many mid-engine cars with tiny back seats, the proportions are a bit dachshund-like; the fact that AutoFab couldn’t make new doors for the thing only makes the prototype look worse.
Was it a bad idea? I really don’t think so. Even if adults couldn’t fit in back the usefulness of the car increased exponentially by having the extra interior space. I’ll admit that the execution could have been better, and more than that I think GM could have used this stretched P-Car as a basis for some revolutionary new cars for a number of divisions.
Yes, this is going to get weird, but you guessed that already, right?
So Long, Fiero … and I Mean Long
First of all, if that 2+2 model was ever going to save the Fiero, it needed to come out much earlier in the car’s life, as in around the 1984 launch. As such, we’ll need to apply the changes on that prototype to the initial car. Here is the early 2-seater Fiero we all know and love:
Here is the 2+2 version of the same car. I’ve shown it two ways; one is with a longer side door that arguably works better proportionally than the one-off car:
The other way I’ve shown it is with the standard car’s door length and “suicide” rear half doors as on later GM cars:
In both cases, to improve both the now-very-long car’s looks and also increase the practicality I’ve installed a Camaro-like glass hatchback. The vents on top of the engine on the standard car would need to go away, replaced by air intakes on the “C” pillars. Stuffing cargo back here would block some rear vision but it would give much-needed extra luggage space.
Actually, there was so much more potential P-Body car platform. Is a four-seat Fiero all we can do? As they say today, hold my beer.
The Commuter Car: Chevy Cappybara
Even newly-minted Fiero fans know the car came into being with a bit of deceit. From the beginning, the Fiero might have been envisioned as a small, mid-engined V6-powered sports car, but the people championing the idea knew very well that top GM brass would never approve another two-seat sports machine when the Corvette already existed. Thankfully, the young Pontiac engineers who championed this idea in 1978 knew how to get it through the byzantine corporate bureaucracy.
With fresh memories of the first energy crisis, these engineers knew that management would likely love the idea of a small four-cylinder “commuter car” that just happened to have two seats. Oh, and it would be mid-engine with room in the engine bay for a V6 but my guess is that they conveniently neglected to mention that to management. The project got the green light; that’s how to play the corporate game right there.
However, that initial idea of a small “runabout” car is still kind of interesting. While I’m very happy that we got the Fiero, I do wonder if that “commuter” car the engineers used as a ruse to get the sports car made might be worth considering as well.
I give you the Chevy Cappybara (intentionally misspelled, like Aztek), a two-seat economy car with a small Isuzu four-cylinder engine and optional, larger GM “Iron Duke” motor. The Cappybara has a glass hatch over the rear cargo area and engine, and features a taller nose than the wedgier Fiero. This creates space for a functional frunk, giving the Chevy much more cargo space than its Pontiac counterpart. The blunt nose also allows the Fiero’s pop-up headlights to be omitted, reducing cost and complexity and a distinct face to differentiate it from the Fiero.
Not that the Cappybara wouldn’t be fun to drive, but with only four-cylinder options the performance would be limited compared to the Pontiac variant of the P-Body. It’s not like we’d make a V6-powered Cappybara SS later, would we?
A Bit Of Luxury: Cadillac Ciel
Cadillac was just itching to get some interesting small cars in the eighties, yet all that we received was a rather pathetic gussied-up Chevy Cavalier and a super-expensive roadster with Eldorado mechanicals. Could the P-Body platform have come to the rescue here?
I say yes. Somehow, stuffing a V8 into the Fiero seems counter to the lightweight concept of a sports car, but that’s not to say that such a drivetrain wouldn’t fit the image of Grand Touring coupe. Enter the Cadillac Ciel.
With a fuel-injected small block behind the 2+2 passenger compartment and different suspension tuning, the Ciel could be a quick way for “The Standard Of The World” to get a legitimately fast luxury sport coupe.
There might have been a very shallow frunk in the nose; note that the Ciel would have the Fiero’s pop-up lights in its Aston Martin Lagonda-like nose:
Hey, it’s like the infamous Fiero-based Zimmer Quicksilver, but about thirty percent less silly. Well, maybe twenty percent less silly. Sadly, to keep all the brands happy, we’d probably have to offer the Ciel exclusively with an automatic transaxle. Don’t worry: you can see a skunkworks Getrag 5-speed “Ciel Touring Coupe” model happening, right? You probably can, but I’m imagining a P-Body variation that you’ll maybe wish that you hadn’t seen.
El Fiero: Pontiac Fiero Sport Pickup, GMC Burro, and Holden Boomerang
So we have a long wheelbase Fiero, and we’re trying to shove a small rear seat in there. It’s not a bad idea, but two seats and a lot of distance between the passengers and the rear bumper? You’re thinking what I’m thinking now? No, of course you aren’t; you’d be an idiot to suggest a P-Body pickup truck.
However, I am just such an idiot. At first, the idea makes no sense; as you think about it more, it’s even more absurd. Still, a challenge is a challenge, and we can make this work.
Let’s look at a side view. The pickup “bed” would only be around six inches deep but fold-up or removable side panels and tailgate would create a surrounding wall for when you want to carry cargo. These wouldn’t be solid walls, but instead a metal grid to allow some vision through them. Plus, solid walls would give you something that looked like a Lotus Europa and I don’t want that.
Below the “bed” you’d have the rear trunk from the original Fiero; a weatherproof space just like at the back of the floor of the Honda Ridgeline pickup. Inside the “cab”, fold forward the seatbacks to access a large luggage area similar to big “smugglers bins” on a Chevy El Camino. The engine would live between these two spaces, right over the wheels for superb traction and handling for a pickup.
“Wow”, said Jason on Slack after looking at this side view, “that’s a hilariously compromised pickup truck”. Is it really, Mr. Torchinsky? Let’s take a look at Exhibit A, which must be one of his favorite “compromised” vehicles: the famous Volkswagen “Doka” Transporter Pickup.
Look at that! A tall bed over the height of the engine, fold down sides and tailgate, plus a sealed cargo area underneath.
That Fiero pickup sure looks a whole lot like the layout of that VW Bus pickup. Hell, the Fiero Sport Truck has two cargo areas under the bed versus the Vee Dub’s one. “Compromised” my ass, Jason!
Here are the side walls raised to hold the amps of the biggest-selling duo of all time back when they still spoke to each other:
Then, with cargo removed, the side walls and tailgate can be folded inwards or removed very easily in seconds without the need for an adult education.
Want more? Let’s try a different and more “trucklike” version. How about a slightly raised hood and no space-hogging pop-up headlights? With the P-Body’s plastic body parts, we could easily just remove the whole front end and change to a taller nose with fixed light that would allow for a drop-in fiberglass “frunk”. Now General Motors truck division would have their own mid-engined sports pickup as well, with even more secure cargo space than the Fiero truck.
Say hello to the GMC Burro, the world’s only true sports car pickup. Well, “only” if you don’t count its right-hand drive Down Under twin, the Holden Boomerang (if there’s one place on earth that respects utes it’s Australia).
As with the Fiero Sport Truck, sidebars with steel netting could remove and stow on board or be left at home; there are ample hooks all around so you don’t necessarily have to install the “bed” side panels to carry cargo if you just strap it down right.
Is it an orthodox “truck”? Absolutely, but if you only carry large objects occasionally and want pure driving enjoyment for the vast majority of the time you spend behind the wheel, the Burro could be for you.
P-Car Family- I’ve Got All My Versions With Me
The Fiero ended up selling nearly 137,000 units in its first year, and a total of 370,000 cars by the time production ended four years later. Those are rather insane numbers for a two-seater car and for a company like, say, Lotus, would be massive figures. Of course, we’re talking about General Motors, and for a giant such as them such an output doesn’t justify keeping a car in production. Compounding this was the fact that sales were dropping over time due to the teething issues of the earlier models which were by and large resolved by the time it was dropped.
I do think a bigger problem might have been that General Motors created a platform and used it on just one car, a rather rare and unprofitable situation for a company that would often share a chassis with over five or six brands, even internationally (like the 1982 J-Car).
None of these crazy concepts I’ve presented likely would have sold in massive numbers, but could the sum total of sales from these at different GM divisions have done the trick? We’ll never know; the loss of the Fiero was sad, but there was a lot more mid-engined fun to go around, and that’s the real shame.
If Pontiac Had Built This Instead Of The Aztek It Could Have Saved The Brand – The Autopian
The Cadillac would look especially awkward with a fabric carriage roof. And you know that would have happened, a lot
Awkward? You mean “classy”, right?
The Ciel would be pretty cool, but calling the skunkworks 5 speed version a “CTC” would be kinda odd.
Honestly, I find the sport truck to be a pretty nifty idea too. Bit odd looking, but so aren’t the T3 Transporter and the Corvair trucks….
Oh man, I would be on every single used car site, every single day looking for a Cappybarra SS, if such a thing existed. That’s a shot fired directly at my face.
I’m with you on that one. Don’t know why, but the Cappybarra is calling to me.
Yikes!
These sure make Adrian’s Mondial look better than ever before…
I always thought that the Zimmer Quicksilver actually looked surprisingly composed/cohesive. Much more than “10 inches of fiberglass slathered on some Monte Carlo” that they were more known for.
Those renders are creepier than John Oates’ porn ‘stache and chest hair.
Obligatory comment given my username. And wow, longer doors would be something, they’re already huge, as needed for the reclined seating, and heavy with the frameless glass and impact bars.
These are some great ideas. I wish some had come to be.
The fiery was a really handsome, sporty car. The design was a well done incarnation for the zeitgeist that produced Fiat X1/9s and Magnum PI Ferraris.
Then Hall and Oates pic made me laugh, it’s nearly perfect. Just need to swap the Marshall full stacks for a keyboard rack with a prophet-5, a DX7, a Juno-6, and a Polysix.
Yeah, I came here to give a hearty hats-off for repurposing one of the Hall & Oates print ads. Chef kiss.
Just looking at John Oates’ mustache is enough to lose your virginity.
Burt Reynolds wants to have a word…
Ha ha ha haaa (Burt Reynolds high-pitched laugh)
Billy Dee Williams’ mustache could beat them both. And can drink the Maltese Liquor without dying (like a robot).
Colt 45, the best malt beverage in the galaxy.
https://i.imgur.com/HNg6lY1.jpeg
I think he even raced a Fiero at one point
I had a millennial co-worker about 15 years ago who liked Hall & Oates a lot, and he would jokingly ask me if their music had the effect on girls back in the day that he figured it must have. I told him that the best way to get lucky in the 80s was to invite your girl over, turn the lights down low, put on some Hall & Oates, and break out the Bartles & Jaymes wine coolers. Guaranteed action. LOL
I always had better luck with Scorpions, at least with the burnout girls.
So you’re saying Jason looked at the Hall and Oates edition of the Fiero Sport Truck and told you “I can’t go for that”.
(Seriously, I can’t believe I’m the first one in with this joke although respect to the Bishop in going for the “Adult Education” angle rather than the obvious)
A buddy of mine had a Fiero with the Iron Puke, and I remember us getting smoked from a stop light by a BMW while “Pleasure and Pain” by the Divinyls was playing. Funny how some weird little moments get stuck in a person’s head.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been any Cappybara/Mary Barra references yet.
Sign me up for the Fiero Sport Truck… you obviously knew it was your best concept since you chose it for the top shot!
I actually find the Cappybara an oddly appealing close second. RWD hot-hatch anyone?
I would not at all mind a Renault 5 Turbo II-ified Cappybara, please.
The Fiero pickup needs to be an FC!!! That would greatly increase the cargo carrying capability!
Plus FC is always cool.
Fiero meets FC meets kinda-sorta kei? Sign me up.
I’m surprised how much I like the truck version. Yes, it’s ridiculous, but ridiculous fits right into the Fiero family. I could drive that. Though I’m pretty sure the upright engine would eat up almost all of the usable bed height. VW and GM both used boxer engines for this type of hauler. Real Fieros are quite light in the nose. Steering is pretty flighty. Adding weight high above the rear wheels might
cause stability issuesmake the existing stability issues worse. But I like the concept a lot more than I expected to.Also, I’ve never read that the “P” platform used for the EV1 has anything in common with the “P” platform used for the Fiero. I’ve never crawled under an EV1, but cutaway views don’t seem to show any similarities between the platforms. The frame, suspension, and body configurations are quite different. The EV1 didn’t even offer 4-wheel steering!
You’re right! They’re both confusingly referred to as the “P” platform but the PrEView EV1 is totally different. In fact, it has me wondering what an ICE sports car based on the PrEView (second gen P-Body?) would be like.
I imagine it would relate to the PrEView like the Elise relates to the Roadster.
Sounds like you’ve found your next article topic. Eh?
There was so much development put into that poor EV1 that it was a shame it went to waste. An ICE motor and wider rubber; like an early Tesla Roadster in reverse, and I like it!
Me too! Please write that article!
Would a boxer 4 fit in there to make a more practical bed? I’m not the most knowledgeable about GM but I know they had air cooled boxers in the corvair, but don’t know anything about dimensions.
The real Fiero had a transverse engine in a narrow bay. No room for a wide boxer engine in there. But people have fit 90-degree V8 engines in there, typically by cutting out the cargo box (making the impractical car even less practical!). If you did this, you could almost put a boxer engine in rearwards (like a beetle). But I suspect it would be sticking out past the rear bumper.
A better idea is probably a slant-4 like the Previa vans had. You’d still lose (half) the cargo space, but you’d gain more than that up top.
A couple of swaps that I’ve heard work really well are the supercharged 3800 V6 and the 4.1L Northstar V8. I really wish the Fiero had survived into the 00s so that a blown 3800-powered Fiero GTP could have been a thing.
Some brave souls have also swapped in the 5.3 LS out of the Monte Carlo SS. Shut up and take my life insurance premiums.
It wasn’t in vogue at the time but an off road rally Fiero would have been a really amazing thing.
Look up the Fiero Jalapeno 🙂
There was a kit for an off road Fiero. Can’t remember the name
The Chevy in silver reminds me of a tiny DeLorean from the doors forward. This is not a bad thing.
Agreed!
Sorry to say, but I like the AutoFab concept most of all the derivatives of the original.
I actually agree with that. I really should have put in a Photoshop of the AutoFab car with longer doors that only the factory could have made. Would have looked even better and been absolutely necessary to get into the back seat.
Autofab could have made those doors but I’m betting their customer cheaped out. As it is, my first thought was Corvair four-door.
Put me down for an El Fieromino.
I agree. Move the rear wheels up a bit toward the front though.
I love them all, but El Fiero most of all.
As the owner of now my 3rd ’88 Fiero GT 5-speed, I really enjoyed this line of dreaming. I’ve seen the 2+2 and had dinner with Fred in the past. There’s a reason it was a concept only, though. The front seats are touching the rear cushions. And, the I-4 and V6 engines in the Fiero sit much taller than the boxer-4’s in the VW used as precedence.
The reality is that, if all these other variants had been considered from the get-go, the 2-seat sports car variant would have been compromised in 1000 different ways to enable the other variants to be better. While sporty versions of multi-variant cars are great (GTI, V-series, M, AMG, etc), they aren’t true sports cars like those on a dedicated platform (ie, Boxster/Cayman, GR86/BRZ, etc).
Since you’ve had 3, I’m very curious to know what the Fiero is like to own and drive. Is it an actually competent sports car or is it more of a GT car?
Three of them?? So you’re the person hoarding all of the Holy Grails.
Yes, the seats do look pretty useless, but just like in the Z car and other “2+2″s they’re really just for children, one person sitting sideways, or throwing in your briefcase/sports bag, which is better than nothing.
you are my new hero, give me one!
Your Burro design really hits the spot for me and the name is apt as burros are the sport utes of pack animals.
Good payload, very maneuverable on tough paths.
Hold on, we need a straight up wagon variant of the 2+2, in addition to the shooting brake style hatch. With twin wipers on the back glass. Think Pinto Cruising Wagon.
Is it just me, or does GM’s 2+2 concept look fairly Lotus Esprit like, in a good way?
Love how the Burro’s front end recalls the Chevy Cavalier hatchbacks of the day. A great cost-saving idea for ’80s GM for sure.
I have not read the article yet, but Zimmer quicksilver is on my short list of cars to buy. I hope it’s mentioned in the article.
At least one of your wishes will come true today
Thank you The Bishop!
I want a Quicksilver because it is silly. And I owned a Fiero once. Fun car, not great, but did everything it needed to do
And the interior upgrades aren’t anything to sneeze at, Zimmer’s neoclassic styling might not be everyone’s taste, but they did use legitimately high quality materials inside. They completely upholstered the plastic dash, console, and door cards in a good leather, recovered the seats to match, swapped the carpet for plush wool, and added a lot of glossy walnut veneer. I’ve often wondered if they could have done a good business just selling the interior upgrades in otherwise stock looking Mustangs and Fieros, to a lesser extent Town Cars, but they didn’t do many 4-door Golden Spirits in the ’80s