Cup holders are, at this point in human cultural development, pretty ubiquitous in cars. We accept that cars will be crammed full of these cylindrical cavities, which we will then happy fill with cylindrical volumes of liquid, constrained to that shape by a thin paper shell. Then, we pour those liquids down our alimentary canals, where our kidneys eventually process the liquid into urine, which we eject from our urethras, and the cycle begins anew.
But! Even before we took drink holders for granted in our cars, we still had the desire to drink liquids, and our cars had a sort of half-ass solution for this: little round depressions on the inside of the glove box door.
I’ve always been fascinated by these because they seem like the absolute least amount of effort and thought one could expend to attempt to find a “solution” to this problem. You know the kind I’m talking about. These:
A huge number of cars from the, let’s see 1940s to 1990s, maybe into the early 2000s, had, on the inside of their glove box doors, between one and three of these little depressions, perfect for precariously holding a cup of liquid safely at speeds of up to and including zero mph, give or take zero mph.
I mean, I get why they exist; things like drive-throughs made eating in your car A Thing in the 1950s and on, and to use those your car would be stationary, at least ideally.
And the glove box door is an ideal little flip-down table area. In a stationary car, even a flat glove box door would have worked fine for holding a drink, since gravity is generally always available to help pin that drink down to the glove box door. And that always makes me wonder what these little depressions are for, really?
They suggest where you can or should place your drink, though in doing so, they limit where that drink can go, since if you don’t get them exactly in the shallow round divot, they’ll tip over. Some can be just deep enough to give the very false illusion that they could hold a drink if the car is in motion, which they very much can’t.
They’re a token gesture, and they hint at what could work – find someplace and make deeper holes and you’ve basically got a real cupholder – but they don’t actually go that far.
It’s not like people didn’t have the need for real cupholder before the Modern Era – they did, and there were all sorts of attempts to add cupholders, like this questionable 1953 design that just kind of crammed in between the seat bottom and backrest:
“Article holder” is a great non-committal name, too, in case you’d rather put other cylindrical things in there, like cans of peas or some big capacitors. Also, is that midde part for a pack of smokes?
Companies that stood to gain from you drinking things while you drove stepped up, too, like this McDonald’s-branded door-hanging drink holder that was a free giveaway:
Those door-hanging cupholders weren’t great, but they were a hell of a lot better than those shallow little circular depressions that just kind of teased cupholder-dom.
There was one glove-box-door-based cupholder solution that wasn’t garbage, though. Sure, it required special cups, but the whole thing was so elegant and lovely I can’t fault it for that. It was, of course, the 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham glove box mini-bar setup:
Magnetic tumblers! Shiny chrome and elegant little bottles of booze! Easily the classiest way to drink and drive ever.
The glove box cup holders weren’t meant to be used in civilization. They hail from a time when there wasn’t a restaurant of some sort every few miles. When you went on a long trip (which was longer back then because interstates didn’t exist yet), you packed a lunch to eat on the side of the road. You put your (glass) bottle of Coke in the cup holders. They’re just to keep the bottle from inadvertently sliding off if the car’s not perfectly level while parked on the shoulder or in a roadside field somewhere.
The BMW E90 has worthless cupholders that slide out and unfold on each side of the glove box.
They break very easily. Passengers would always try to use them
“This is a BMW. Don’t touch anything or it will break. DON”T ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN!”
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When I was growing up, we had a Chrysler Town and Country that had cup and tray holders built into the back of the bucket seats. It was unclear how they were supposed to be used.
The van had so few cup holders that the dealership ended up giving us about a dozen of those door/window hangers. You can imagine how well they worked.
My Travelall out in the driveway has these. Two hopeful little indents in the metal glovebox door, optimistically promising they’ll keep that mug of coffee steady as the agricultural truck chassis bounces over an expansion joint or pothole. Makes you wonder why they even bothered.
My old 04 STi was fabulous in many ways, but when it came to cupholders it was excellently bad.The entire car 1 pull-out floppy cupholder that was directly above the radio begging for condensation to drip down from it, and a small D-shaped orifice in the console that barely fit a small water bottle.
My EG Civic had a beautiful folding cup holder. The owner’s manual says it should only be used when the car is not moving!?!?
The “cupholder” I have used most frequently in my life is the spot between the driver’s seat and the handbrake lever. It’s dangerous, but possible, with a paper fast-food cup, but 20-ounce plastic bottle fit like a glove. So do stainless steel coffee mugs with lids.
Ah yes, my 89 cutlass I had in high school had the glovebox indents, but similar to you, my cupholder was shoving my soda bottle in between the driver and passenger seat cushions!
I had an 88 civic hatchback, the absolute most barebones possible. No power anything. Some previous owner had screwed an aftermarket cupholder onto the transmission hump, ahead of the stick. Well, of course within a couple months of owning it, the screw broke. No cupholder and no open hole to screw it back in.
The dance of driving to my morning classes, with a cigarette in one hand, cup of coffee in the other, and needing to offload one or the other (or both) to steer and shift… The cig would go in my mouth, the coffee between my legs, shift, switch, rinse, repeat…
As someone who used to have an 88 CRX, the gap between the transmission hump and the passenger seat makes a great cupholder.
When I upgraded to the 91 I still have, it came with an aftermarket arm rest that has a slideout cupholder. It’s ugly, and you can’t use the e-brake if you have a cup in it, but it works nice.
There are a couple of people out there who 3D print cup-holders for the ashtray slot.
3d printers only existed in large prototyping houses when I was in the scene. That’s very cool. Although the ashtray is where I kept my garage door opener. It was almost like having Homelink. 😉
I have been considering trying to 3d print the climate control bezel that always cracks around the temperature knob. Those were getting very hard to find when I semi-retired the car about 20 years ago. I bet they’re impossible now.
Is the middle part for a pack of smokes? Why, yes, according to Mr. Burnard W. Byford it is:
It is desirable, I feel, to make the intermediate receptacle [6 of rectangular form and to make it of a, size to function as a holder for a package of cigarettes, as denoted at 2|] in Figure 1.
Uh, Torch, you know a cycle implies a complete circle. Exactly what liquids are you pouring down your alimentary canal?!?
Well, if you are stuck in traffic, use the cup as a urinal, then forget and drink from it, it becomes a full cycle
I mean, he did experiment with pooping in space. Maybe he has urine recycling facilities too. 😉
When these cars were built we were generally not eating AND driving at the same time. The restaurant drive through only really started in the mid 1970’s and took a while to get going.
However, Drive-INs were common. Using these as a tray while sitting in a stationary car is the only way I see these having any purpose.
Considering all the plastic waste we now produce for the mere convenience of mobile beverages, maybe we never should have attempted a solution better than the simple drink divot. It worked perfectly in conjunction with a Stanley thermos w/cup lid.
But you could never drop Thermoses.
The glass inside would shatter into a thousand pieces.
Ask me how I know.
My wife would not accept this. She brings a 32oz bottle of water everywhere she goes. Which I would tease her about, until I had to eat crow after repeatedly asking if I could have some of her water.
So yeah guys, cup holders are nice. You can put a drink in them! Sometimes you’re driving for a long time, or maybe where you’re headed, doesn’t have beverages. In my case, even though I don’t drink my coffee during my commute (because it’s still scalding holt) I still need a home for it as I drive. And if for whatever reason you have a freakish aversion to the concept of having a drink nearby, you can still use cupholders to hold a phone, or any number of other things you might want handy.
As much as a lot of people make fun of the vast number and size of modern cupholders, damn near all of you would be pissed if the car you bought neglected to give a crap about forming some of the negative space available into a useful pocket.
Infuriatingly pointless those things! Much like all the flimsy “pop out” style cup holders from many 80s-90s cars when confronted with a cup that actually had liquid in it. I swear the OEMs must have been testing those with empty daisy cups.
My beloved ’97 ZJ has one of these; pull the handle on the back of the center console, and two tempting little cup holders emerge. They work fine when the vehicle is stopped, but they’re too shallow to hold any kind of cup or bottle, as Dad learned the day he tried to bring a large cup of delicious sweet tea back to the office after enjoying a fine lunch at the nicest barbeque place in North Carolina. Technically, he did get that tea back to the office, but it was mostly on his clothes. We were still finding tea splattered in the Jeep for years after that (some even made it onto the rear window). Amazingly, the tea didn’t stain anything in the Jeep.
Those do suck. That brings to mind the absolutely shitty pull out cup holders in my ‘99 Silverado. They were deep enough but the pathetic rubber flaps around the perimeter provided ZERO holding ability. I ended up finding some foam packaging on the job site and making my own inserts. It worked beautifully. Even when cupholders evolved into something purposeful, it took forever for manufacturers to get inserts right (some still suck).
They were to hold the stainless and green plastic cup from your Stanley thermos will you ate ham and cheese with mustard sandwiches at a rest stop while driving across the state.
Ham and cheese with mustard is a great sandwich.
And that mustard better be Plotchman’s darn it!
I vividly remember the fossilized remains of a spilled Burger King chocolate shake in the glove box cup holders of our family station wagon. It remained there for 10+ years until the vehicle was junked!
80s Subarus had no cup holders. I ruined several driver’s inner window-scrapers hanging those plastic cup holders off them
The glovebox cup holders were perfect for drive-in movies. That was the only time we ever used them back in the 70s
Mother used them at the A&W Drive-In when I was a little lad in the late 60’s.
They were a bit small for the larger Frosty Rootbeer Mugs tho.
Because Dad had the tray hanging off his door – he never had an issue.
I probably had to put my baby-Frosty Rootbeer mug on the hump or on the seat next to me while I ate my Baby Burger.
And I presume that your Baby Burger was made with ground veal.
*rimshot*
Funny enough the Astra has one of these in the glove box door for some reason. Made a nice tray to hold fasteners when doing a glove box swap but that’s about it.
While my ’85 Ford LTD doesn’t have these, this reminds me that I really wish I had a decent cupholder solution for it. Tomorrow I’m taking it to Radwood LA, leaving at like 6am and I can’t bring a cup of coffee with me because I have nowhere to put it! I’ve tried a cupholder like the McDonalds one here and it’s pretty precarious. If I had the skills I’d try to make a 3D printed solution.
My Nissan Laurel also has absolutely nothing resembling a cup holder, not even a divot. I got one of those accessory cup holders that clip onto the HVAC vents that are super popular in Japan but that doesn’t really work either. The only solution I’ve found is to find a travel mug with a really good lid, something that isn’t going to just pop open and to set it in the center console so it mostly stays up.
Yeah the vents in my car are way too floppy for those cupholders too
They’re not great for cell phone mounts either.
Back then we’d drive with our drink between our legs.
Hence the McDonald’s lawsuit.
True, but to be fair the McDonald’s lawsuit was due to coffee spilled in a car while it was parked, not moving. In fact the woman who was burned was in the passenger seat attempting to add cream and sugar to her coffee, so definitely not someone actively driving with coffee in between their legs.
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Something like this, they were all over the place in the 80/90’s should be able to find something like it
My car has a manual transmission and full center console so there’s nowhere for this to go.
oh rad a LTD with a stick, post a pic if you have any!
This is an old photo, but it still mostly looks the same.
https://www.ltdlx.org/albums/SVT-LTD/DSCN5999.jpg
That’s awesome, I love the 140mph OD, aspirational, or is there a hidden 5.0 under the hood?
Factory 5.0 car, now has a 347 stroker.
doood nice, I bet it flys!
I used a 10” x 3” pressed cardboard piece with a 3ish inch tall piece of cardboard tube gaff taped to one end: wedged the free end between the passenger seat back & bottom to hold my Yeti coffee mug for years in my old 300TD.
Much more inconvenient in the back seat if a passenger was along, though
1995 Nissan regular cab truck with a 5spd and a bench seat. No cupholders to be found or center console cubby to wedge one into in a pinch. I got very good chilling my genitals while using one hand to steer and one hand to shift.
Aren’t they just for use when the car is not in motion?
And for that purpose you’ll feel a lot more safewith them, than not having them at all.
You know I never expect to read the word “urethra” when learning about car stuff but that kind of thing is why I keep coming here.
Tell me you’re reading a Torch article without telling me you’re reading a Torch article. 😀
This could be a fun game, similar to the streaming video history last week. Obscure lines from each writer are pulled, and we have to guess who wrote what. To make it extra challenging, they could pull from content that was edited out, so we couldn’t just google the results….
The burning and discharge are also a clue.