Welcome back! Today we have our third pairing in our quest to find the perfect ride for a theoretical apocalypse, and today it’s all about squeezing more miles out of every precious gallon of fuel. Both of today’s cars are gasoline/electric hybrids, but they go about it in different ways.
Yesterday we were counting on sheer unwillingness of the vehicles to die to save us, with two tough-as-nails sedans. Lots of commenters made good cases for both, but in the end, the big black Panther won the day. V8 power and parts availability seemed to be the most common reasons given for choosing the Crown Vic.


I think that makes sense, but I still think I’d take the diesel Mercedes. Not only will it run on more types of fuel, but since there’s no electricity necessary to keep the engine running, you have a better chance of getting away if the bad guys whip out some sort of electromagnetic pulse weapon. Chugging away from the scene slowly is better than not being able to leave at all.
Fuel availability was on the minds of a lot of the detractors of the Crown Vic yesterday, and yeah, barring the creation of a “Gastown,” regular unleaded is going to be a little hard to come by after a while. So it would seem to make sense to find something that will go as far as possible on a tank of gas. Something, perhaps, that gets a little boost from an electric motor, or better yet, only uses gas to charge the batteries that drive an electric motor. Something like one of these two.
2009 Nissan Altima Hybrid – $3,500

Engine/drivetrain: 2.5-liter dual overhead cam inline 4 plus electric motor, CVT, FWD
Location: Seattle, WA
Odometer reading: 206,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
The Nissan Altima is a car with a certain reputation, through no inherent fault of its own, for aggressively bad driving. But that reputation actually speaks highly of the car itself; it takes that abuse, and just keeps going. Smashed-in panels, donut spare tires, mirrors duct-taped on, no maintenance since the Obama administration – the Altima just doesn’t give a damn. I feel like a dose of “big Altima energy” could be an advantage in the wasteland.

This is the short-lived Altima Hybrid, featuring a drivetrain licensed from Toyota, and Nissan’s own QR25DE four-cylinder. It’s a well-proven design, and provides a serious bump in efficiency over a standard four-cylinder Altima. This one has had the same owner for years, and has been very reliable for them, and they have all the maintenance records for their ownership tenure. It has a lot of miles, but it still runs and drives just fine.

The seller also added a screen to the dash with a back-up camera and Car Play and stuff, bringing it up to date technologically. The interior looks worn, from the few bad photos we get, but intact. Outside, it’s dull and faded, and almost looks like parts of it were spray-painted. Getting a jump on the post-apocalyptic look, I guess.

The trouble with the Toyota-based hybrid system is that there is no provision for electric-only operation. You always need gas. But every little gain in efficiency matters, and this car averages about 8 miles per gallon better than the standard four-cylinder, and 10-12 better than the V6. And you never know when getting an extra eight miles away is going to matter.
2014 Chevrolet Volt – $4,700

Engine/drivetrain: Electric motor plus 1.4-liter inline 4 range extender, single-speed gearbox, FWD
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Odometer reading: 152,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
The thing about hybrids is, you don’t really need to use the engine to power the wheels. You can just drive the wheels with only an electric motor, and use a small gas engine to charge its battery. The advantages of this system are that you can drive on battery power alone until it runs down, at which point the engine kicks in and runs at a nice, efficient steady speed to generate more electricity. It’s a clever solution, one embraced by BMW, as well as General Motors, at least for a while.

The Chevy Volt was one of those strokes of brilliance from GM engineers that actually made it to production. It’s powered by a 149 horsepower electric motor, with a clever T-shaped battery pack that fits in the center tunnel where a driveshaft would go in a typical car, and the space under the rear seat. It also has a little 1.4 liter four-cylinder connected to a generator. With this setup, the Volt can go about 38 miles on batteries alone, and gets phenomenal gas mileage after the engine kicks in. This one has 152,000 miles on it and the seller (a dealership) says it drives great.

A high-tech chassis like this requires a high-tech interior to go with it. The Volt has power everything, keyless entry and ignition, and two screens, one for the instrument cluster and one in the center stack for the infotainment system. You need all that stuff to sell cars in normal circumstances, but I wonder if it might end up being a liability in a post-apocalyptic scenario. I know from experience how annoying it is when the battery dies in a key fob; what happens when you have to flee the zombies and can’t find a fresh CR2032 cell anywhere?

I have always liked the styling of the Volt, actually. It’s a sharp-looking car, and it’s a hatchback, which boosts the practicality by a bunch. It has a few scuffs and dings, but I’m sure in our scenario it would get more. And the HOV lane pass is a nice bonus, though I doubt the zombies would care much which lane you’re in.
Yeah, I know, there’s no real way around the gasoline problem. After a year or so, whatever is left will be stale and the cars will run like crap anyway. But for our purposes, just imagine that there is gas, but it’s expensive and hard to get – like, you have to trade an entire pallet of Cup O’Noodles for a gallon. In that case, you’d want the most bang for your buck. Which one of these is the better choice?
Maybe convert the Volt to propane / methane ?
Propane never deteriorates, and you could capture methane at the well head and use it without refining it.
And (cough) there’s always wood gas.
A terrible idea at scale, but in a zombie apocalypse scenario maybe a poison gas would be fine.
It’s funny how the automobile came along just when the petroleum companies were wondering what to do with all that gasoline that was left over after producing useful stuff
Theoretically, could the Volt’s battery be jury-rigged to charge off solar panels? In a post-apocalyptic scenario that could be a real advantage.
The answer is never Altima.
Lemme add the “never Jatco CVT” to that rule
The Volt is likely a better daily driver. It gets my vote for being newer, having less mileage and getting better fuel economy.
My only issue with the Volt is that it’s a space-inefficient design. It only seats 4 and for a hatchback, it has a tiny trunk.
That’s not an issue for someone who has a 2nd larger/more spacious vehicle
But for me, I only have one car. So it does matter to me.
Now having said that, I would still pick it over the Altima. The Altima hybrid had a short production run and thus, there are some aspects to its parts and service that are likely to become difficult or expensive in the future.
GM loves to half-ass, so I don’t necessarily trust the Volt. They didn’t take electric seriously until Tesla got real popular, and the mandates, and the TDI cheat box scandal. I also really hate those tiny-ass windows and that stupid black strip under them. The interior quality is probably cheaper than the Altima as well.
If the Altima hybrid has the ECVT that Toyota hybrids use, then it is good stuff. It’s the shitty Jatco Xtronic CVT, then no. But I think it’s the ECVT, so it’s probably safe to buy.
Therefore, I voted Altima.
Also, too bad Fiat never used the TwinAir as a range extender. The straight twin would be awesome in an EREV.
Volt without question.
I’ve owned 3 Volts, a Caddy ELR and a CT6 PHEV, so I’m a fan of the Voltec system!
No Altima no Altima ever.
Volt. Had two and loved both. Absolute no-brainer over the Altima.
Volt.
I’d rather join the Z crowd than drive a CVT. Let’s go with the voltaic pile!
Volt hands down for me, I’m actually looking around at them because they’re getting to be reasonable prices now, I have a 3 mile commute every day, and all my cars currently take premium fuel, a Volt would save me a lot in fact. I always enjoyed the way they look and drive, I was impressed when I got a ride along at the auto show when they came out and I’ve always said I’d probably have one someday. They’re another cool oddity of 2000s GM.
Word of warning; if you are looking at 2011-2015 Volt the owners manual calls for premium. 2016-2019 did away with that. It will run on regular, yes, but I personally wouldn’t.
Good point, I did kind of forget about that. I don’t really mind the extra per gallon price, because of the higher mileage I’d get out of it, lately because of winter I’m getting about 10-13 around town in my daily, most of my daily driving would be done within the electric range of a Volt.
If this is purely an in-town commuter car you might want to look at the Bolt as well. Not as cheap as a 1st-gen Volt but if you qualify for the used ev tax credit you can get them pretty cheap. I have a ’17 Volt for longer trips and a ’19 Bolt for trips under 150 miles.
I think the first gen takes premium, but not the second. Similar situation, I moved from a small commute to an isolated town where I work from home. I have a 2017 that I plug into the standard plug once in a while and drive nearly 100% on electricity. Be aware that months will go by without using the engine and at some point you’ve got to think about burning through the old gas, so plan some road trips.
Every other weekend we have to go out of state for one reason or another, roughly 120 miles each way, I have heard of the fuel being something to pay attention to as well.
Jatco CVT aside, I really like the Altima more as a car, but the Volt would be the superior choice for a post-apocalyptic future. If you put solar panels all over the roof, hatch, and hood, maybe a 250W array, you could even get upwards of a free 5 miles per day of driving at highway speeds, and 10+ miles a 25-30 mph, without access to grid electricity or fuel.
No Jatco in the hybrid. This is basically a Prius powertrain bolted to a Nissan engine.
EDIT: now I’m not so sure. The internet seems conflicted about this and I don’t have time to learn for sure right now.
You are correct is uses a Toyota “power split” eCVT.
Yes, Toyota licensed the eCVT to Nissan and Ford around this time period.
They sold eCVTs to Nissan and shared patents with Ford.
In that case, my vote still isn’t swayed. Now moving the Volt’s battery, drive system, and charger to the Altima, OTOH, would be an excellent configuration if I could get it to work…
Chiming in as a 2013 Volt owner here.
The Volt is an extremely reliable car, but it does have some shortcomings for a specifically post-apocalyptic environment:
It’s heavy. It’s about 3800lbs which means if it gets stuck off road, it will be that much harder to pull out.The fuel tank is small. This era of Volt has just under 9 gallons of fuel capacity. So you’re going to be using that hatch to carry a few canisters which will eat into your cargo.It has weak spots in the front, specifically around the charge port and the battery’s radiators. A hit there even in non-apocalyptic times tends to total these cars. Armor accordingly.What does it bring to the table though?
Torque. That powertrain is stout AF. The exact same powertrain was factory warrantied for over 200hp and 400lb-ft of torque in the Cadillac ELR, so it’s got a lot more to give. It’s frankly overbuilt for what it is. Some good frame welds and you could turn it into a local tractor for pulling stuff in your community.Energy conversion. A lot of post-apocalyptic settings are short on one specific energy type. It would really shine as a local generator if fuel was abundant but electricity was scarce. Or, if the other was true, it can do about 25-35 miles (assuming extra energy consumption due to wasteland modifications) on 10.5kWh of electron juice.You can sleep in it! A buddy of mine bought a Volt after driving mine (to my chagrin, we autocrossed them and I was slower) and he made a mattress for it the exact size and shape of the cargo space with the seats down and the butt rests taken out. It’s almost perfectly flat and if you’re hooked up to power you can run the A/C to make things nice and comfy. Who doesn’t love a Voltebago?
Conclusion: The Altima is for the bloodthirsty Immortan Joe raiders whereas the Volt is for the Vuvulani community.
Also, WTF editing system, I had this all laid out in a nice internet friendly numbered list and now it’s just a mush-wall of text ;_;
1. Buy Altima
2. Add pink fuzzy steering wheel cover
3. Harness the Big Altima energy to run over all the zombies
4. ???
5. Profit