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Nice Cars With Battle Scars: 2001 Honda Prelude vs 2002 Lexus ES 300

Sbsd 12 17 2024
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Good morning! Today’s search for the very finest in cheap crappy cars take us back to my old stomping grounds of northeastern Illinois, to check out a couple of nice old imports that might have some scars, but have still got it where it counts.

Yesterday, we looked at a couple of two-seaters, and I kind of guessed where the vote was going to go. I’ve said before that if the rule of real estate is “location, location, location,” then the rule of cheap cars is “condition, condition, condition.” That Fiero was by far the cooler car (yes it was; don’t argue), but its rough appearance made it a hard sell, and the Thunderbird took an easy win.

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I have to side with the Fiero, though, because I have absolutely zero interest in those Thunderbirds. Even when they were new, I didn’t think much of them beyond a “huh, that’s new” passing thought. The Fiero, on the other hand, I’ve had a car-crush on since 1984. Yeah, this one has seen better days, but there’s nothing there I couldn’t fix, as far as I can tell.

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Car enthusiasts who grew up in places like southern California didn’t know how good they had it. They never saw a two-year-old car with holes in the bottom of the fenders, like the Dodge Aspen my mom had when I was a kid. They didn’t have to pull up the carpets on every $500 beater in the back row at the used car lot, hoping to find one that still had floorboards. And they didn’t have to deal with the pain of limping a perfectly-running car to the junkyard because it’s so structurally compromised that it’s about to break in two, which I had to do more than once.

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Rust on cars in Chicagoland is just a way of life, but you develop a sense for how much rust is too much, and you learn to look for telltale signs of hidden and badly-repaired previous damage, which may be hiding more corrosion than you would think. One of today’s cars wears its rust and damage proudly, so you can see what you’re dealing with. The other, I fear, might be hiding something. Let’s check them out.

2001 Honda Prelude – $2,800

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Engine/drivetrain: 2.2-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Evergreen Park, IL

Odometer reading: 173,000 miles

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Operational status: Runs and drives great

Not long ago, we got some really great news: the Honda Prelude is coming back! Honda’s quintessential sporty coupe was a staple of college parking lots for years and years, but this 2001 model was the end of the road, and the remaining Preludes are getting thin on the ground, primarily due to Honda’s enemy number one: rust. This one is starting down the road to oxidation, but it has some life in it yet.

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With the exception of some special models here and there, Preludes were never really high-performance cars. Not slow, but just a little bit quicker than an Accord, just enough to make it special. In its final iteration, the base Prelude was powered by a twin-cam four featuring Honda’s VTEC (yo) variable valve-timing system putting out 200 horsepower. This one has an automatic, which honestly isn’t a big deal in a Prelude to me. The seller says this one runs and drives “excellent,” and it has new tires.

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Inside, it’s a Honda, which is to say, awesome. Honda’s interiors, especially during this era, are just about perfect. They look good, feel good, and ergonomically just plain work. And I love that patterned fabric on the seats; nobody does that anymore. It’s in good condition, too. Somebody took care of this car.

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But what about that nasty tin worm? Yeah, it’s there, most prominently in the rear wheel arches. There is some rust-through already, but we’d have to get a look underneath to see how bad it is. It’s probably got at least a couple of years left in it, though. It also has a little wrinkle in the front of the hood, and one cracked headlight, though the seller says new headlight assemblies are included.

2002 Lexus ES 300 – $2,999

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Engine/drivetrain: 3.0-liter dual overhead cam V6, five-speed automatic, FWD

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Location: Zion, IL

Odometer reading: 165,000 miles

Operational status: Once again, I’m assuming it runs and drives

Lexus sedans, with the exception of the flagship LS, are all based on some other Toyota model. The ES, introduced in 1989, is basically just a fancy V6 Camry, but that is in no way a bad thing. This fourth-generation ES 300 is just about perfect: it’s reliable, comfortable, and not so full of gadgets and crap that it gets overwhelming. It sounds boring, but, you know, good boring.

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It’s powered by a 3.0 liter V6, powering the front wheels through a five-speed automatic. It’s a combination known for ridiculous longevity, as long as you keep up on the oil changes to keep it from getting sludgy. I wish I could tell you something about this one’s condition, but it’s for sale at a dealership, and as usual, all we get is a laundry list of features. Would it kill these guys to just say “runs and drives well?”

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It looks nice and clean inside, anyway. It is missing a speaker grille on the dash, and the glovebox door looks a little wonky, but those are easy enough to fix, providing you can find one in a junkyard, which, now that I think of it, is a pretty big “if.”

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It looks all right on the outside at first glance, but let’s look a little closer. Both rear quarter panels have something suspect going on; they’ve obviously been repainted, and now the clear coat is failing. The trunk lid is also misaligned, and go back up and take a look at the photo of the passenger’s side. I swear that spot just in front of the taillight is failing Bondo. Doesn’t that look like a ring of cracks? I have a feeling this Lexus has seen some things.

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Even with all the flaws, for $3,000 cars in the Midwest, these two are in really good shape. This is about as cheap as you can find a decent used car anymore, unless you have the skills and willingness to fix stuff. If you want to just hop in and go, these are as good as it gets. So which one looks like a better bargain to you?

(Image credits: sellers)

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MustangIIMatt
MustangIIMatt
12 hours ago

The ES300 for me. I’d slap a fresh timing belt kit on it (including water pump) and send it. It’s basically a nicer version of the Avalon I drive for a daily right now. The bodywork at the back doesn’t concern me as long as the trunk isn’t letting water in. If the clearcoat peel gets too bad I’ll do a quick backyard rattle-can respray. It’s a beater car, a damned nice beater car, but still a beater, so who cares? That ES300 won’t be as fun as the Prelude, but it looks way better from 20 feet, and would make a badass commuter.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
13 hours ago

This was a tough one, but I think the Lexus is hiding too much so I went Prelude. Either is a fine choice to day imo

SimpleFix
SimpleFix
13 hours ago

The carfax might decide this one. Barring those results, I’ll take the Honda based on those cool-looking seats.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
13 hours ago

This basically boiled down to “which would I be least bored by” and the Prelude won. Don’t really want either, and I also don’t live in the South to be stuck dealing with rust like that so today is a full blown default win.

86-GL
86-GL
13 hours ago

The Camry looks better on the surface, but I’ll bet it took a significant rear-end crash.

The rust and damage to the Prelude is a bummer, but it least it’s exposed and someone could deal with it if they wanted.

The rear quarters on the Camry will look worse within a year as that bond continues to fail, and then what?

Cyko9
Cyko9
13 hours ago

The Prelude is probably worth putting time and money into. Hopefully, it’s not too bad beneath the skin.

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
13 hours ago

For me it comes down to rust. I hate rust and having a car’s structure on the clock is a non-starter. So as much as I like the Prelude, it’s a no go. Voted Lexus. It may have hidden rust and probably has had an accident but the rust isn’t apparent yet so it wins by default.

CuppaJoe
CuppaJoe
13 hours ago

If the Prelude was a manual, I’d take it. But given the visible damage & rust on the Honda, I’ll take the Lex.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
14 hours ago

I saw this very Prelude on CL a few days ago, and was bummed it had an automatic. But I have always liked this generation, and it would be a perfect companion to my ‘00 TL. And because I have the Acura, I have no need for the ES. So we’ll take the Honda.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
14 hours ago

The 1MZ is impossible to work on. Ever try to get to the back of the engine? 😮

The Prelude wins by default

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
6 hours ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I did the cam covers and spark plug tubes this year. It’s not fun. You have to remove the intake manifold to get there. The metal parts are beautiful but Toyota used cheap elastomers that get hard as a rock with age and heat and don’t seal. I also did the cam belt/water pump which on the transverse engine is no picnic either.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
14 hours ago

Prelude. Not just because I like Preludes (almost had one back in these days) but because that Lexus is likely hiding something bad with that bodywork.

GirchyGirchy
GirchyGirchy
14 hours ago

I voted Lexus, but if the Prelude came with a spare auto trans (or a manual for a swap) I’d have gone that way instead.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
14 hours ago

I don’t trust that Camry or the dealer selling it as far as I can throw either one.
I’ll take the Prelude and patch up the rust for the few years I get before it’s too bad to pass an inspection.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
14 hours ago

Nothing today – Just looking, Thanks!

Amateur-Lapsed Member
Amateur-Lapsed Member
14 hours ago

Neither of these have that Midwestern exoticism that I’d want to see to justify the rust, since I’ve never been to either the Central or Mountain time zones, or Florida. Shouldn’t these two be that roughly contemporaneous LeSabre that looked like a chromier version of this Lexus and the Contique-based Mercury Cougar hatch?

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
14 hours ago

Those last gen Mercury Cougars disappeared from our Midwestern roads years ago. The rust took them out quickly, even in the states with no inspections where people drive structurally unsound cars all the time. You still see plenty of W bodies and the like dragging their asses with worn shocks and rusted-out mounting points, but no Cougars from that same era.

Last edited 14 hours ago by IRegertNothing, Esq.
IanGTCS
IanGTCS
13 hours ago

There is a last gen cougar that has been a work in progress near me for about a decade. Currently sitting in the body kit and primer stage, where it has been for at least 5 years. It’s probably the only one I’ve seen in that decade.

Amateur-Lapsed Member
Amateur-Lapsed Member
12 hours ago

A Chrysler or Dodge Diamond-Star coupe, then, which is the only domestic-ish front-drive smaller coupe from that time period I can think of. Or are they extinct in the Midwestern wilds as well, and only live now in the Mopar reserves of southeastern North Carolina where SWG serves as their park ranger?

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
12 hours ago

There are dedicated but very niche followings for cars like the Shadow or the sporty K car variants around me in SE Michigan. At this point the survivors are garage kept during the winter. There’s be nothing left if they weren’t. I don’t know that I’d be willing to give up a garage spot during the winter for a LaBaron, but I respect the people who love those cars enough to do it. Maybe in 2080 or so we’ll be grateful for all of the people who preserved those disposable cars the same way we are now for people who kept up their Model Ts.

Last edited 12 hours ago by IRegertNothing, Esq.
Amateur-Lapsed Member
Amateur-Lapsed Member
11 hours ago

Maybe you’ll be grateful, but G*d willing and with equal parts help from my own mistakes and the choices this country has made about funding retirement and health care for it’s citizens, I’ll be long dead by then.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
14 hours ago

That Prelude is here for a good time, not for a long time. I’ll take it over the obviously wrecked and shoddily repaired Lexus. To quote Socrates, “YOLO bitches!”

ProfessorOfUselessFacts
ProfessorOfUselessFacts
14 hours ago

Lexus has bad paint, failing bondo, missing what looks to be a defrost vent grille instead of speaker grille, scuffs all around. Definitely looks like airbag deployment occurred. It’s also being sold by a cash only lot across from a Domino’s pizza… Forget that car!

I’ll take the prelude. I’m a lifelong Honda driver after all.

ImissmyoldScout
ImissmyoldScout
14 hours ago

I’ll go for the Prelude. A couple weekends working on that body and it would be just fine. That bondo on the ES300 (it’s just a tarted up Camry) looks a little too sus for me. Looks like it took a pretty good hit in the backside.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
14 hours ago

A friend had an ES300. It was an objectively comfortable and well mannered car. It just doesn’t spark joy. I like my Lexus RWD.

That Prelude, however, is my favourite of all the Prelude body styles. They’re comfortable, reliable, and parts are easy to get. I’d daily that thing any day.

Prelude today.

Musicman27
Musicman27
14 hours ago

Their both great, but I like the prelude better.

Zane Campen
Zane Campen
15 hours ago

Prelude for me. It may be crusty but at least the seller is forthcoming with the issues. The Lexus screams sketchily rebuilt after being totaled out. The paint is a crap match, the bondo is failing, and it looks like the passenger airbag may have actually been deployed too.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
15 hours ago

Prelude is more fun, and more honest. Yep, going to avoid the lipstick on a pig Camry today.

Alexk98
Alexk98
15 hours ago

The final gen Prelude may have been on Hagerty’s 2025 bull market, and rising tides may float all boats, but it’ll be decades before this particular one is worth anything. If I’m buying a boring automatic FWD commuter, I’ll take the invincible and comfy Lexus.

Richard O
Richard O
15 hours ago

It has to be a special car for me to want to deal with cosmetic issues. Neither of these are that.

Bomber
Bomber
15 hours ago

I want the Prelude but the rust and that it’s an auto, I’ll go for the Lexry…

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