You all are going to hate me today. I’ve given you some nasty, impossible choices in the past, but today… well, let’s just say I’m curious to see what happens. We’re in Atlanta, Georgia, looking at a couple of cars that are nice and clean – but have been sitting for a while, and need waking up.
I was really pulling for that Galaxie convertible yesterday, but I know that anything going up against a clean Saab is a hard sell. And indeed, the big Ford went down in flames by more than a two-to-one margin. I keep forgetting that a lot of our readers aren’t the adventurous type when it comes to projects like a lot of our writers are.
For me, if I’m going to get a Saab, it’s going to be a manual, and it’s going to be pre-GM. But I’ve always wanted a big old American convertible, ever since a failed attempt with a ’71 Buick Electra which I didn’t even own long enough to transfer the title. This Galaxie would fill the role nicely, though I’d try to talk the seller down as far as possible. That’s a lot of money for that car, unless it’s priced by the pound.
I get the feeling that both of today’s vehicles came from estate sales and outlived their previous owners. One of them is just a nice old low-mileage van, and a clean example of the first of its kind. The other? Well, it’s simply one of a kind. I hope. Let’s check them out.
1986 Dodge Caravan – $2,500
Engine/drivetrain: 2.6-liter overhead cam inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Tucker, GA (no relation)
Odometer reading: 66,000 miles
Operational status: Unknown; battery is dead and seller hasn’t tried to jump-start it
I don’t think anybody knows they’re creating a legend while it’s happening. Surely Ridley Scott didn’t expect a movie about an astronaut and her cat to spawn seven thousand sequels and earn a permanent spot in pop culture. At no point, to the best of my knowledge, during the recording of “Stairway To Heaven” did John Bonham turn to Jimmy Page and say, “This is going to get so overplayed on classic rock stations.” And I’m sure Lee Iacocca had no idea that the term “minivan” would enter the public lexicon and be forever associated, by both adherents and detractors, with his name.
Compared to modern minivans, this first-generation Caravan looks absolutely primitive. But the broad strokes of what would become the minivan formula are all there: a front-mounted engine, front-wheel-drive for a nice flat floor, and seating for seven. The engine in this van is a Mitsubishi-built inline four, sadly saddled with an absolute nightmare of an electronic feedback carburetor. Some of them run like a top, and others stall, stumble, and shake like a leaf. We have no way of knowing which this is, because the seller hasn’t tried to start it since they bought it. I don’t know who buys a car with a dead battery and just says “oh well; guess I’ll just sell it on as-is,” but here we are.
Chrysler upholstery from this era wasn’t known to be particularly long-wearing, and it looks like this van is no exception. Most of it looks all right, but the middle seat is worn out along one edge, probably from passengers sliding in and out. The front bucket seats have covers on them; I’m hoping they’ve been on there a long time, and spared the seats from such wear.
It’s nice and clean outside, except for a few blemishes in the clear coat, and it’s rust-free as far as I can tell. Its hood ornament and fake wire wheel covers are intact, and personally I’m happy to see it does not have the optional fake woodgrain on the sides.
1989 Chevrolet Corvette – $2,875
Engine/drivetrain: 5.7-liter overhead valve V8, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Largo, FL
Odometer reading: 92,000 miles
Operational status: Ran a few months ago, has been sitting
I just now noticed that this car is not actually in Georgia; it’s for sale in Florida, at one of those dealerships that spams every Craigslist within a thousand miles with the same ads. But I’m going to use it anyway, because you have got to see this thing. This is a C4 Corvette that has been customized to suit its previous owner’s tastes. Who was this mystery owner? We’ll never know, but this Corvette might even be too crazy for Mark Hamill.
Like all C4s, it’s powered by a 350 cubic inch V8, in this case a 245 horsepower L98, backed by a Turbo-Hydramatic 700 R4 automatic. It has been sitting for a few months, but apparently it ran and drove fine before that. Looking at this engine bay, I can’t help but suspect a dead battery on this one as well. Just in case you aren’t familiar with what an L98 C4’s engine bay should look like, fully eighty percent of that wiring is non-standard. What does it all power? Just you wait and see.
It has to be some sort of elaborate joke that we don’t get, right? All those aftermarket gauges, screens, switches, and wire looms can’t possibly be functional. What on Earth could they all possibly do? And where is the original digital dash? Is it still there under all that bric-a-brac, flashing its LEDs at the backside of all those gauges? And do take a look at the other photos in the ad; this is only the beginning. There’s crap on the ceiling as well, and one of those fake flux capacitors between the seats.
It’s no less gaudy on the outside, with stuff stuck all over every surface, and holes cut in the hood for not only the short-ram air intake, but also a couple of mystery grilles. Oh, and once you get it running, don’t plan on driving in the rain; some of the gauges are zip-tied and clamped to the windshield wiper arms, rendering them non-functional.
My hope would be that either one of these cars, if connected to a jump-start pack, would spring to life and idle as well as can be expected on old gas. But there’s only one way to find out. So which one are you going to try to revive: the plain but honest van, or that bizarre Corvette?
(Image credits: sellers)
I am a C4 Vette guy….I voted Caravan. I’m not even sure that Vette is Vette-cart worthy…
tasteless mods on the C4
I’ll take the rare 4-cylinder Caravan over it. Funny how it has a voltmeter but not a temp gauge LOL
Also, too bad we never got the Renault Espace over here. They were *so close* to bringing it here before the Chrysler sale, which of course terminated it because Chrysler got soooooooooooooo jealous of it
I wish we had managed to get the Espace before that happened, and each had their own advantage, but I wouldn’t call it mere jealousy. Their own vans were already selling like gangbusters and they were about to add the Grands and fix the power deficiency with the Mitsu V6. The I4-only Espace would have been immediately overshadowed.
They could’ve always added the V6. They eventually did in 1990, but could’ve done it sooner is the demand was there, which it would’ve been in the US.
The V6 the Esapce eventually got was the Time Machine V6 used in the 25/Premier.
Otherwise, they could’ve just added a turbo, like Chrysler did with the Caravan.
Sure, but why maintain two car lines when the one they already had was already established and considered class leading? That’s some GM think (minus the class leading lol). Plus it was Matra building them so a whole deal to import them, and they already had an MPV on import from Mitsu with the Colt Vista. Not as big/flexible inside but was similar, if you wanted vanlike without a sliding door.
The Vette is one of those cars that most owners obsess over keeping 100% stock, yet it’s also simultaneously one of the only cars I could imagine being molested to this level.
There’s some quantum physics in that.
Well, the wiring is certainly entangled
TIL what it would take for me to choose a non-running 1986 Dodge Caravan over a Corvette
Non-running with complicated feedback 80s carburetor!
-you beat me to the comment
I clicked into this thinking “Yeah, C4 corvette all the way”. Then I scrolled down and was deeply, deeply disappointed. And a little amused. But mostly dissapointed.
The Vette reminds me of a guy I grew up with. He was great at taking things apart but had no clue how to put them back together. Cars… Window air conditioners… Stereos…
Hey, how ya doin’? It’s been a long time. Now I take apart computers and flat screen TVs. They don’t go back together, either.
That Vette gives me Cannonball or Gambler vibes, as those are events where people will put hard effort into looking ridiculous.
Also, like others I was 100% C4 when I clicked the link and then ended up team Caravan in the end.
I thought for sure I’d be voting for the Vette, but one look at that wiring, and I noped the fuck out of there. As did whoever just left their multimeter behind. They gave up trying to unfuck that poor thing.
Just look at all the household wire nuts! That thing needs to burn, and if you feed it a fresh battery, there’s a very good chance it may take care of that for us all.
doing a full engine swap on the minivan would still be easier than stripping that vette of all the crap, replacing the hood, sourcing a full dash, and replacing with a stock wiring harness. Caravan it is.
One of the screens is to let you know if there’s danger to the manifold. Vette just to meet the mad scientist that created that thing.
The picture of the engine bay alone explained the low price. Then the interior – wow.
That said, it’s easier to cut it away than to put it in & get it working, and you could recycle all that copper wire to offset the purchase price even more.
Vette all the way today.
I like the Corvette because it made me feel not crazy for going with my initial gut reaction toward the Caravan.
I would tend to think a lot full of cars like that would have a jump box handy to just try and start it or if they did that, test a different battery in it, but so it goes. (or doesn’t I guess) I’m sure someone will say “turbo swap!” but I think worst case if you don’t want to deal with the Mitsu 2.6 you could find a cheap later FI Mopar 4 or something to swap in, to just have something that runs for Rad shows and such.
I’m surprised to see that Corvette for sale at that dealer. I’m familiar with that dealer and they usually sell nice vehicles. They also have a reasonably good reputation. It seems odd they would have such a tremendous POS on their lot. It makes me wonder if this car is as bad as it seems. I’m curious enough that I might go take a look at this vehicle later today. I will hold off on voting for now.
The wiring is full of household wire nuts. It’s worse than it seems.
Please post if you find out anything more about that monstrosity.
Do it!
I’m not far from Largo either, but it’s all yours.
The ad seems written very tongue-in-cheek, I imagine the only reason you’d buy this car is to use it for parts.
You are now obligated to go see it, please drive it, and report back. PLEEEEASE!!!!
I think the dealership is using the car to bring people in. They bought it for a song, and if one person who comes to gawk at it buys another vehicle then it has paid for itself.
I took my driver’s test in 1994, using an ’88 Caravan a lot like this — except it had the burgundy interior. We had the V6 and fake wood, but I still love it and I can actually visualize the sound and the feel of all of the storage comparments opening so I could put away my Nirvana Nevermind cassette and get out Vanilla Ice’s To The Extreme (I contain multitudes, dammit!)
Just to be fair, my uncle had a C4 Vette around the same time and I actually hated it. So my nostalgia works in both directions.
Get the Caravan running, and maybe grab some better seats from a junker. Then you can tool around listening to your old cassette tapes. The ‘Vette is basically a $2800 multimeter, if that even works.
It’s probably blown out.
We should get a multimeter and test the multimeter.
I learned to drive on a 1986 Plymouth Voyager with the same motor in it. It was black with fake wood panels and red interior. I guess brown/beige will do.
Shit, you could part out just the zip-ties and make your money back. ‘Vette all day!
Also, if there was a Final Jeopardy picture clue of the ‘Vette and the category was “State Cars”, I would have “What is Florida” written down so fast, I’d be able to write hello’s to every person in my city underneath it before time ran out.
I went in initially thinking there was no chance in hell that the Caravan would be the better purchase, I mean over 2 grand for a non-running and scruffy caravan over a similarly priced corvette? Easy answer! But that C4… That’s so far beyond saving. Even if you can somehow magically un-ruin that car, you’re left with the least desirable corvette, and one that couldn’t ever be worth more than 5k. I hate that the Caravan wins, but it does, and it’s not even close.
My thoughts exactly.
The Autopian community looking at that Vette…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_Gd623HJo
I have a weird notion that one Spring day, after taking the Corvette out of storage, the owner discovered that mice had chewed into the wiring harness in various places. So they started “fixing” bits of it one piece at a time, deciding along the way that the original wiring and systems were too complicated, so “Let’s make it simpler in case the mice get back into it again.” And so they did. Again, and again, and again… descending into the madness we see today. Which, of course, will be well and truly toast if rodents ever have their way with it again. (Maybe that’s why the multimeter is there?)
Also, car wiring and wire nuts should never meet…
If they actually want to sell that Corvette they need to throw in a free Sawzall so the buyer can cut all that bullshit out and start over. Fucking wire nuts on a car, seriously? Gimme the Caravan.
The question today is really “Would you rather try to fix a vehicle or unf**k a vehicle?”
If the Vette had been a stick, it might have prevailed, but I went minivan.
There has to be a mental illness behind that Corvette.
Meth: Not even once.
The multimeter on the console clinched it for me with the Corvette!
I’m trying to figure out what that multimeter could possibly be measuring that isn’t already displayed on at least 3 gauges in that car.
It’s for the full-time troubleshooting of the rat’s nest of wires and home-depot sourced marrette wire nuts.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see household gauge solid core wire in that ‘vette.