Good morning! We’ve reached the end of a short week, where I’d normally do a “Track, daily, burn” showdown between the three winners, but I just don’t feel like revisiting any of this week’s cars, and I have a feeling that neither do any of you. So let’s take a look at two new cars. And by “new” I mean, of course, old and beat-up.
Yesterday I showed you two really boring and generally undesirable cars – and generated a lot more comments than Tuesday’s “good” choices did. I suppose it’s the same sort of bias you see in Yelp reviews: If everything is good, no one says a word, but if there’s something to complain about, look out. This is why I annoy you with unlikeable cars; they get you talking.
The Topaz won, and I suppose if you’re looking for a decent used car, it’s probably the better choice. But I personally think I’d have a lot more fun owning that E-Class. The crystal Chrysler hood ornament, the talking message center, the Reagan/Bush bumper sticker – it’s just a perfect time capsule. All it needs are a compass mounted to the dash and a box of tissues in the back window.
All right. Let’s take a look at a couple of German project cars. No, wait – come back! These aren’t the modern scary German cars. These are old and simple and friendly, and they both run and drive already, so the hard part is done. No special diagnostic tools are needed for these, and the cooling systems aren’t made of plastic. You’re safe here. Let’s take a look at them.
1971 Mercedes-Benz 220 – $2,900
Engine/drivetrain: 2.2-liter overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Odometer reading: 134,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
This old classic Benz is mislabeled in its ad. Shocking, I know, to find incorrect information in a Craigslist post, but there it is. The seller calls this a “220S,” when in fact no such car existed in 1971. This is a W115-chassis 220, one of the fabled “Stroke 8” models, arguably the first modern Mercedes-Benz sedan.
It’s powered by a carbureted 2.2 liter four backed by an automatic transmission with a torque converter and four forward gears (though no overdrive). Gone was the swing-axle rear suspension Mercedes had been using since before, well, you know; in its place was a semi-trailing-arm setup that gave the Stroke 8 a reputation for much improved handling over the previous “fintail” sedans. This one runs well and “sounds good,” according to the seller.
Inside, it’s a little scruffy; even M-B Tex can’t always hold up to the California sunshine. The seller says it needs the carpet replaced, as well, and I bet there are some cracks under that dash cover, unless it’s been on there since Nixon was in office. It does have one cool detail that hasn’t been seen on Mercedes sedans since this era: a column-mounted shifter.
When I first saw the ad for this car, I thought it had been lowered, but now I don’t think so. The ride height looks about the same as other W114/115 sedans; I think it just has bigger wheels that fill the arches more. It’s a good look, actually; I’m not a fan of the modern “stanced” look, but this is more subtle. The paint is toasty, of course, but it doesn’t look bad dull. The driver’s side vent window is broken, by the way, but I think it’s flat glass, so any good glass shop should be able to make a new one.
1985 BMW 528e – $2,800
Engine/drivetrain: 2.7-liter overhead cam inline 6, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Odometer reading: 407,000 miles (!)
Operational status: Runs and drives well, but needs a little work
The 1980s were good to BMW: greed was good, yuppies were making piles of money, and BMW’s sedans, especially the 5 and 7 Series, were status symbols. I’m sure some of the yuppies appreciated the fine handling, the smooth-revving inline sixes, and the commanding driving position, but I bet most of them just wanted to be seen driving one. And the cheapest, most efficient 5 Series was the 528e, a fuel-economy special with a de-tuned version of BMW’s famous six.
The 2.7-liter “e” engine was about sixty horsepower down from the 3.4-liter engine in the 535i, and it didn’t rev nearly as high, but your average mid-level investment banker or second-year associate lawyer didn’t care. It was made to help BMW meet Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules in the US, and it must have sold well; most E28s you see for sale these days are 528e models. They certainly are durable engines, probably because of the low state of tune. This one has more than 400,000 miles on it, and it runs “amazing,” according to the seller.
Even if the engine is in good shape, all those miles take their toll in other ways, of course. The interior is shot, as are the suspension bushings, according to the seller. All that stuff is available, of course, but at a price. It may be best to fix up the mechanical bits and just live with the worn-out interior.
It’s got some bumps and bruises outside, but nothing serious. And I think these look good in white, myself. The giant US-spec bumpers are a letdown, but those could be changed too, I suppose. This one has been lowered a bit, on some fancy aftermarket springs and shocks, and also has larger wheels than stock. Again, like the Mercedes, it’s a subtle improvement, but definitely an improvement.
These are not fast cars. Nor are they luxurious, by any sort of modern standard. But boy, in their day, they were something else, and the fact that they’re still here, intact, and drivable shows that there is (or was) something to the whole “fine German engineering” thing. And I think they would both make interesting projects to tinker with. Which one strikes your fancy?
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
The wheels on the Mercedes belong on the BMW.
The BMW’s red interior is cool, but the older Mercedes is legendary. I voted for the Stroke 8.
And WTF are you talking about not luxurious? That white car has leather, a sunroof, and heated seats 😛
Schrottkarren. Nein, danke.
Ich stimme zu!
My brother has a double-cab ‘ute version of the W114. They rust badly, and this example already shows. Also, the dashboard has more crack than a Bronx alley in the aughts. Now, if the Tex is gone, it may imply that many other things are too.
The BMW needs new bumpers to undo the enforced malaise that US poisoned European cars with.
An extra 100$ for a 14-year older classic with 250,000+ fewer miles? I’ll take it!
These are both pretty horrible. I voted for the column shifter, as that is the correct place for an automatic shifter.
I am sure the bimmer is the better driver, but the benz has the look. Column shifter is gravy.
If I HAD to pick one, I’d struggle but likely pick the Mercedes for its friendly kind of decrepitude. It’s just hard to go for either, knowing you could get much better examples for $5-$6K, and if you could only spend $3K, they’re both pretty terrible choices.
400k and economy special be damned, a 5-series of this era still has an allure that the older Benz can’t match (to me at least).
Was all set to vote BMW until I saw the mileage, then hemmed and hawed about it. I just love the look of these 5’s SO MUCH MORE than the Benz that I still ended up voting BMW. Also the wheels on the BMW are not as awful as those on the Benz.
I wanted the BMW and thought it would be a slam dunk, but with 400k, I’ll pass. Reluctant vote for the Benz here.
Benz. Either one is a project, so it comes down to preference. I prefer old Benzes to old Bimmers.
We have very different definitions of “scruffy.” These cars are perfect. They are presentable, but not so nice that you would worry about them. I don’t want a show car. I want a driver.
Both are solid deals for the money. The BMW is the better deal, though, so it gets my vote. It was clearly treated well. This could be a nice car with a good cleaning and some new floor mats. There aren’t many better ways to spend $2,800.
The wheels on both of these cars speak to crimes as yet undiscovered
I’m going with “neither” on this one. I’d take either of yesterday’s cars over these.
I must say I was shocked to see the BMW losing by so much when I voted. I’d take the BMW – I just prefer the look.
As do I, but not with 400k on it!
Neither of these is moving the needle for me. The Benz would be Yugo-slow in modern traffic, and the Bimmer has been rode hard and put away wet. Besides, I already have a car close to 400k.
I just see a lot of better options out on Craigslist- cleaner examples, less odo, for the same money.
I’m an absolute sucker for a sharknose, high mileage, automatic, eta engine and all.
Tough choice today. Maybe even a “Both” scenario. The BMW has a lot of miles which also means somebody loved that car to get it over 400k. The Benz looks cool too and I love how the photos have it in front of a Classic Car Resto shop. But today I’m going for the 80’s. I’ll use the inevitable bag of blow in the BMW’s glovebox to fund a new suspension.
Honestly, the Benz kinda looks badass on those wheels. The ‘Thirdworld Dictator Vibes’ comment below is dead on. Yeah it needs some work and will never be a showcar, but could be a 100′ weekend cruiser car with low to moderate amount of work.
The BMW presents better outside but the interior is ratty and with that mileage, it would have to be a 535 to get my interest up. A 528e just isn’t doing it.
Benz takes it today.
I can accept a Benz with a slushbox but not a Bimmer. I’d need to find proper rims for that Benz with color matching hubcaps
Those basket weave wheels on the Benz gave my naughty bits just a tiny tingle, so I voted for it.
If the Bimmer didn’t have nearly 100,000 miles MORE than my diesel benz, I’d probably bite.
So it looks like my w126 gets a sibling today.
I feel like the BMW is the logical choice, but the Benz just has more third-world-dictator style, which is exactly the vibe I go for in my daily life, so Benz it is.
This was tough one. The BMW is in much better shape on the outside, but is also an “e” model which I loath (from personal experience). I grew up in Mercedes of this era, and while I love 80s BMWs, my heart longs for the Benz.
I understand how this game works. But.
Two old, and crispy used up relics here.
Even using my internet money here, just can’t do it today.
Would prefer a Chinese built “not a Lotus” over either of these.
At least I can enjoy the fire as it burns down my garage and house a couple years down the road. YMMV