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Pan American World Airways Is Back From The Dead To Make Flying Rock Again, For Some People

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We live in an era where you could fly a couple of thousand of miles in a manner of hours for sometimes less than $100. However, the process of flying seems to be designed to inflict as much anguish as possible (I don’t have to tell you that flying sometimes sucks). Pan American World Airways, a name that’s officially been dead since 1991, is being brought back from the dead once again for an extravagant series of flights meant to remind you what flying used to be like. Well, maybe not you, but we’ll get to that.

Several decades ago, flying was a far different experience than it is today. Boarding an early Boeing 747 might have been something you wore your best clothes for. Back in those days, the government controlled routes, airline market entry, and fares. The price of airline tickets was high, blocking poorer customers out of the market. At the same time, airlines weren’t competing on pricing, so they advertised lavish flight experiences. Pan American World Airways, Trans World Airlines, and Eastern Airlines all thrived on this model.

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The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 brought remarkable change to the airline industry. Suddenly, the factors that were once controlled by the government were in the hands of airlines. Ticket prices began to plummet and customers flocked to airlines that could get them to places for cheaper rather than the airlines offering practically white glove service to patrons.

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The Act is often cited as the reason for today’s low ticket prices. However, cheap flight comes with the downside that seats have gotten impressively small while the whole flying experience now feels a bit closer to riding a flying bus. Oh and don’t think it’s just Spirit and Frontier treating passengers like cattle. If you buy a United Basic Economy ticket you cannot check in online. Seriously, you have to wait in line for an agent at the airport.

What I’m getting at here is that — while some elements of flying were permanently altered by 9/11 — there are plenty of people who want to at least get a taste of what flying was like before the era of microtransactions, moldy food, and unruly passengers. Well, if you happen to be sitting on a lot of money, and we’ll get to that in a moment, soon you’ll be able to ride the friendly skies aboard a Pan Am plane.

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Don’t check your calendars. It’s really been about 33 years since Pan American World Airways officially died. Yet, in 2025, that familiar logo and typeface will take to the skies once again. But it’s not exactly what you think.

What Happened To Pan Am

For decades, Pan American World Airways was the principal airline for Americans looking to travel abroad. Pan Am became synonymous with transatlantic flight and was a household name.

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Pan American World Airways was initially a combination of a few enterprises from 1927 combined into one. There was the Aviation Corporation of America formed by former Navy pilot Juan Trippe; the Atlantic, Gulf, and Caribbean Airways formed by Richard Hoyt; and Pan American Airways by United States Army Air Corps officers Henry Arnold, Carl Spaatz, and John Jouett. The officers were concerned with the potential threat of Germany’s aviation efforts in South America.

All of these companies competed for a contract to deliver airmail from Key West to Havana. Pan American scored the contract, but didn’t have a plane, money, or landing rights. Atlantic, Gulf, and Caribbean Airways had money while the Aviation Corporation had landing rights and a Fairchild FC-2 floatplane. The companies decided that all of them would win by combining their forces as one with Trippe at the helm.

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Trippe, with help from the United States and the Foreign Air Mail Act, would form Pan American into not only a dominating name in international airmail but also the unofficial flag carrier of the United States. Pan Am’s flying boats weren’t just delivering the mail, but effectively representing America in other countries. The government and Pan Am benefited each other as America used Pan Am to gain economic expansion into Latin America and the Caribbean while Pan Am used the government to gain more routes for its own expansion.

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According to the U.S. Centennial of Flight Commission, Pan Am’s first regularly scheduled international passenger flight was on January 9, 1929, and was a 56-hour, roughly 2,000-mile trip starting in Miami and stopping in Belize and Managua before finishing in San Juan. The Pan Am Historical Foundation says the airline started flying handfuls of passengers even sooner than that in 1928. Either way, over time, Pan Am became such a dominant force in airmail that it scooped up competitors and their routes with them.

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While Pan Am became a famed brand because of its worldwide airmail expansions, its best mark on commercial aviation was making the world smaller and more extravagant for travelers. A 1990 article from the Los Angeles Times continues:

During the 1930s, Pan Am launched its famed Clipper service in blue and white planes that were the first to offer regularly scheduled passenger service across the Atlantic and Pacific. The airline hired aviator Charles Lindbergh to scout out some its early international routes.

Pan Am flew Franklin D. Roosevelt to Casablanca in 1943 and acted as the airline of choice for a long list of heads of state and celebrities. Last year the airline carried to United Nations headquarters in New York two kings, 22 presidents, 12 prime ministers, one premier, one vice president and 49 foreign ministers.

The airline introduced many novel concepts that have become industry standards, like first-class sections and in-flight movies. In the 1960s, Pan Am breathed life into Boeing Co.’s 747 program by ordering 25 of the jumbo jets in preparation. The airline became such a well-known corporate symbol that when Stanley Kubrick’s movie “2001, A Space Odyssey,” was released in 1969, its hero flew to the moon in a spaceship operated by Pan Am.

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Pan American also helped accelerate America into the Jet Age. While it wasn’t the first airline to use jets, its fleet of Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8 aircraft got Americans to far-flung destinations faster, safer, and with glamour. The massive success of these early jets also primed Pan American to further revolutionize flying. It even helped bring the widebody into popularity, from my Boeing 747 retrospective:

When the 707’s success meant further expansion, Pan Am CEO Juan Trippe looked to capitalize on the explosive growth of air travel with an aircraft with double the capacity of the 707. The airline executive’s idea was that if Pan Am could fit more people on a plane, it could charge less per seat. And having one plane full of tons of people would reduce airport congestion. When Boeing itself looks back on the 747’s development, it mentioned the same ideas. We’d see this concept decades later–and arguably too late–with the super jumbo Airbus A380.

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Flying on Pan Am was a posh experience compared to today. Passengers ate from porcelain dinnerware, cleaned themselves up from quilted napkins, and enjoyed movies played on large screens with 10-channel surround sound. Pan Am’s earlier flying boats were designed to be like flying ocean liners with lounges, sleeping berths, and a bar. Meanwhile, the airline also made great use of the Boeing 747’s massive size with a flying restaurant, bars, and lounges.

Unfortunately, the flame of Pan Am began fading in the 1970s. The oil crises of the 1970s made running thirsty widebodies expensive, which put a dent in the airlines. A failing economy wasn’t helping either, as passengers couldn’t afford the high ticket prices. As I noted earlier, the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 dealt another blow, as Pan Am’s business model just couldn’t keep up in a new market competing on price.

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Those were just a couple of factors in perhaps dozens of hits to Pan Am, from passengers scared to fly due to bombings like Pan Am Flight 103 (which killed 270 people) to fallout from war and countless financial setbacks. Pan Am was once an empire, but hit after hit brought that fire to a flicker, and then the light went out entirely.

Pan Am officially went under in 1991, but the name has been reused since by at least four airlines off and on between the mid-1990s and the 2010s. Weirdly, the Pan American World Airways name was purchased by Guilford Transportation Industries in 1998 and became Pan Am Railways.

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Yes, that’s why you might see old boxcars with the Pan Am logo and colors on them.

Companies have also used the Pan Am name and logo on watches, board games, and even a clothing store. So you could have bought a Pan Am shirt despite Pan Am no longer being around. Technically a part of the original Pan Am still exists today. The Pan Am Flight Academy opened in 1980 in Miami, Florida to train the airline’s pilots.

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When the airline filed bankruptcy in 1991, the flight academy was allowed to operate independently. Today, the flight school is owned by private individuals. So, with the knowledge that the Pan Am name has been applied to basically everything over the past 33 or so years, what’s going on now?

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The New ‘Pan Am’

Last week, the new Pan American World Airways was reported by Forbes, and honestly, I had to do a double-take. I knew Pan Am shuttered before I was even born, but to see an article titled “New Pan Am Soars, Reviving The Golden Age Of Air Travel” was a shocker.

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Now, I shouldn’t have been that surprised, because as I said, the poor Pan Am name has been slapped on everything. Besides, reviving old airlines isn’t even that crazy as seen with the rebirth of Eastern Air Lines.

This one is a little bizarre. It comes from Pan Am Brands, once a subsidiary of Pan Am Systems, itself used to be known as Guilford Transportation Industries. Pan Am Brands is a company that licenses the Pan Am brand and logos to other companies. Thanks to this, you’ll see officially licensed Pan Am consumer goods, television shows, and the like. This is the company behind why you can buy Pan Am Barbies, Pan Am bags, and Pan Am hoodies.

This new airline is the idea of Craig Carter, the current owner of Pan Am Brands and now the CEO of a born-again Pan American World Airways. I bet you can see where this is going.

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The new Pan American World Airways is not going to be an airline as you know it. Instead, it’s going to offer curated luxury experiences meant to harken back to the golden age of jet travel. In June 2025, the new Pan Am will depart from New York City on a trip it calls “Tracing the Transatlantic.” This trip follows a southern route flown by Pan Am’s old Clipper flying boats and has stops in Bermuda, Ireland, Lisbon, London, and Marseille. The trip is expected to take 12 days, and there will be seating for just 50 people.

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This sounded exciting until I learned further details. Firstly, this isn’t a true airline, but an experience offered by Bartelings aircraft charter and Criterion Travel, with Pan Am branding on them. The plane is also only sort of what Pan Am used to be. The experience involves being flown in a Boeing 757 narrowbody airliner with all lay-flat business-class seating. There will be no bars, lounges, or massive screens with surround sound, but you will get to sit facing your fellow passengers. You’ll also get continental cuisine and expedited Customs procedures.

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Oh, right, I forgot to talk about the price. Please sit down because I don’t want you to faint. A ticket on this 50-person flight will cost you $59,950 per person, but that’s if you’re bringing two people. If you’re all by yourself, the shame of solo travel will cost you $65,500. Either way, deposits are $5,000 per person. At least the good news is that the ticket is all-inclusive, so the swanky hotels will be covered as will most of your food and booze. You also get a swag bag with Pan Am branded stuff, which is fitting considering what I said above.

It will be awesome to see a plane in Pan Am livery back in the sky after such a long absence. There’s no doubt that the B757 is going to gather crowds wherever it lands. It’s also really cool that it’s supposed to be a taste of what flying used to be like before deregulation. I have no doubt passengers on this flight will get an experience they’ll talk about for years to come.

The exclusivity will certainly ensure that the closest most of us will get to the plane is from the other side of an airport fence. Maybe Pan Am should have also offered shorter, more affordable itineraries to catch even more vintage aviation fans. As of this moment, this doesn’t seem like an actual rebirth of a dead airline, but a travel experience with the Pan Am name slapped onto it.

That said, Pan Am plans on sticking around for a bit. You aren’t going to be flying Pan Am on a business trip anytime soon, but the airline says it’ll have another flight in 2027 to celebrate a century of Pan Am. It also sees a future where airports have Pan Am lounges and private terminals. So that could get interesting. Hopefully the next trip chops a couple of zeroes off of the ticket price.

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Pointy Deity
Pointy Deity
4 months ago

$60k and you “get to” sit facing your fellow passengers? That sounds even worse than a normal flight and I can’t even stomach those anymore.

Gubbin
Gubbin
4 months ago

As far as I’m concerned, the only true way to Fly Pan Am is via Montreal and some drone-y guitars.

Andrew Bugenis
Andrew Bugenis
4 months ago

And people balked at Starcruiser…

Idiotking
Idiotking
4 months ago

Interesting. And strange that it comes up today; I was in Portugal three weeks ago and we took a detour to find some food somewhere between Porto and Lisbon. Driving through a very small town, we came upon this incredible tile mural next to a church, and stopped to take a picture: https://flic.kr/p/2q4sbED

Ben
Ben
4 months ago

So it’s basically a cruise where instead of having your own cabin on a giant ship with tons of amenities, you get to sit and stare awkwardly into the eyes of the stranger across from you? And pay multiple times as much money for the “privilege”? Pass.

Clear_prop
Clear_prop
4 months ago

I give this flight about a 25% chance of actually happening. This is just another press release marketing scam.

And fuck Delta for destroying the Pan Am World Port to put up a parking lot.

BenCars
BenCars
4 months ago

60 grand for that?! No thanks.

You could fly on First Class with your very own enclosed cabin on Emirates/Singapore Airlines for about 10 grand or so, and it’ll be a much better experience.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
4 months ago

If you buy a United Basic Economy ticket you cannot check in online. Seriously, you have to wait in line for an agent at the airport.

Can confirm. I was flabbergasted, downright gob struck when I went to check in for my flights last week and was told no. I do not get how that is better for the airline, it means a lot more people dealing with agents, which means a lot more agents are needed. I haven’t had to wait in line to get a boarding pass in a long freaking time and I was very annoyed to have to do so this time.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
4 months ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Yep, I did that once too. It’s crazy. All that to make sure you don’t carry anything on.

Alpine 911
Alpine 911
4 months ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

This is on purpose to get you pay more the next time. Airlines make the basic fare on purpose extremely unpleasant.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
4 months ago

I’ve always thought floatplanes/flying boats should make a comeback. I only know of Tailwind Air that’s doing it outside of places like the Pacific Northwest/Alaska. Unfortunately they weren’t able to get approval to land in the Potomac for DC-bound flights and had to fly to Dulles instead which surely increased costs.

Might dovetail nicely with shorter zero emission flights.

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Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
4 months ago

There are plenty of hardcore cruisers that will spend a fortune on high end experiences (Regent’s 2027 around the world cruise is 140 nights and “starts” at over $90,000 per person, double occupancy). But this seems excessive for the length and the itinerary. There are many similar things out there already- private jet tours, many of which are around-the-world itineraries. Four Seasons does one. Paying the same money for an unproven operator with aspirations of luxury and service strikes me as potential Fyre Festival-level disaster. These types of customers aren’t like normal passengers.

Theotherotter
Theotherotter
4 months ago

Reading about PanAm takes me back to my childhood – we flew PanAm a couple of times a year or so from Caracas (Maiquetía) to visit family in the US in the 70s to the early 80s. Flying rather nicer than it is now, if also quite expensive (I’ve seen the ticket receipts!)

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
4 months ago
Reply to  Theotherotter

This is where they’re going to struggle. Most of the population has no such memories at this point, Pam Am means nothing to me, so I have no reason to want to do this. If I want a multi stop vacation, I will book a multi stop vacation that allows me to spend the time I want in each place, travelling like this does not sound appealing at all.

Theotherotter
Theotherotter
4 months ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

I do have memories of PanAm (obviously), but I ain’t paying $65k for *anything*. The people who have that kind of money to spend on flights, sorry, “experiences” are more likely than most to be old enough to remember PanAm, and I guess the rest is…marketing? I dunno. These days I’ve got standby flying privileges so that’s how I fly whenever possible.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago

All I can think of is Frank Abagnale’s bathtub filled with model PanAm planes, soaking the stickers so he can use them to forge checks.

A. Barth
A. Barth
4 months ago

If you’re all by yourself, the shame of solo travel will cost you $65,500

Wow – time to pull a Frank Abagnale.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
4 months ago

Thank you for mentioning all the amenities/experience lost at the cost of cheaper pricing. The Airline Deregulation Act is the only example I can ever find in support of deregulation = good arguments, but I don’t think it was worth it.

I Could but Meh
I Could but Meh
4 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Wait, you don’t think cheaper tickets was worth it?

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
4 months ago

I’d rather not be packed like cattle, given full meals, and have an assigned, guaranteed seat without having to worry about getting stuck in the standby lottery. Flying is a miserable fucking experience and being nickel and dimed at every stage of the process is exhausting.

ProfPlum
ProfPlum
4 months ago

Guilford/PanAm rail was an awful operation, IMHO. They always invested as little money as they could. CSX now owns the rail system.

Tim R
Tim R
4 months ago

Pan Am’s first passenger flight was on January 9, 1929, and was a 56-hour, 2,000-mile flight between Miami and San Juan with two overnight stops along the way in Belize and Managua.

Wait what? That route makes no sense.

Data
Data
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim R

I had the same thought. I had to Google to make sure my knowledge of geography wasn’t completely broken; I am an American after all and we all know the world is flat. If you travel beyond the borders of the US you simply fall off the face of the Earth into the void.

DONALD FOLEY
DONALD FOLEY
4 months ago

Another on-line resource is panam.org

Tim R
Tim R
4 months ago

That’s wild. I can’t imagine wanting to go to San Juan and being taken on a tour of the western Caribbean on the way!

Nathaniel
Nathaniel
4 months ago

They really should’ve leased a 747-8 from Lufthansa… what’s the point if there’s no upstairs piano lounge?

Adrian Clarke
Adrian Clarke
4 months ago
Reply to  Nathaniel

All I know is if George Kennedy gets on the plane, I’m getting the fuck off.

Data
Data
4 months ago
Reply to  Kant Smathers

I am serious and don’t call me Shirley.
I had the same thought. Maybe if you were cruising the skies in a 747 with true Pan Am service.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

This rule also applies to skyscrapers, cruise ships, and ridiculously long busses that are equipped with a bowling alley.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
4 months ago

“…ridiculously long busses that are equipped with a bowling alley.”

This bowling alley in the Cyclops comes to mind.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
4 months ago
Reply to  Nathaniel

Yeah there’s nothing wrong with the 757, but everyone pictures a wide body with all the bells and whistles when you talk about the glory days of Pan Am. Putting nicer seats in a used 757 screams of cost cutting. Why put up with cost cutting if they want $65,000 per ticket?

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
4 months ago

On the plus side, the capital investment for this is obviously quite mininimal compared to starting up an entire scheduled airline from scratch, and if they sell the tickets, the built in profit margin should be high enough to give the company a cash cushion

The trouble with all the previous Pan Am revivals was mostly that they simply didn’t have enough money, and were counting on using a famous, established brand to distract people from that, fake it till you make it

Pan American Airways: 1996-1998, low cost carrier serving popular vacation destinations in the Caribbean from the continental US. Collapsed in bankruptcy after an ill fated merger with Carnival Airlines

Pan American Airways: 1998-2004, low cost carrier serving New England, Florida, Puerto Rico, and Dominican Republic, first incarnation involving Guilford/Pan Am Systems

PAWA Dominicana (Pan American World Airways Dominicana): domestic carrier in the Dominican Republic, started as an affiliate of the 3rd Pan Am: 2003-2018

Pan Am Clipper Connection, d/b/a brand name used by Guilford’s Boston-Maine Airways subsidiary for local/commuter services in New England: 2004-2008

Pan American Airways: 2010-2012, completely unrelated to Guilford/Pan Am Systems, cargo-only airline flying between US and Mexico, lost its bid to start passenger service and collapsed in bankruptcy after the CEO was indicted on child porn charges

Whole thing also sort of reminds me of when that British travel agency temporarily revived the Union Castle Line name for a single cruise on the company’s original UK-South Africa ocean liner route between 1999-2000, to celebrate both the millennium and what would have been Union Castle’s centennial had they remained in business. They chartered a P&O ship and repainted the funnel in Union Castle’s livery for the one trip

Last edited 4 months ago by Ranwhenparked
Framed
Framed
4 months ago

Reminds me of the “I am Rich” app: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich

Rippstik
Rippstik
4 months ago

At least it’s a 757. Great airplane.

EXL500
EXL500
4 months ago
Reply to  Rippstik

My favorite passenger jet. It’s like a giant hot rod with its big engines and practically vertical takeoff. Shame Boeing developed the 737 instead of continuing the 757.

Rippstik
Rippstik
4 months ago
Reply to  EXL500

And in turn, could have kept developing the 767, since it had the same type rating as the 757. Used to work with a 757 engines test bed, (google N757HW). She was a beast!

EXL500
EXL500
4 months ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Agreed on the 767, and your work on the 757 sounds exciting. I used to book flights by equipment to get on a 757.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
4 months ago
Reply to  EXL500

Boeing should bring back the 757, the most beautiful, best handling plane (from the pilots standpoint!) that Boeing ever made. Stop with the crazy extensions of the 737, the worst looking plane in the air

EXL500
EXL500
4 months ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

You have my vote!

I'm an Evil Banana
I'm an Evil Banana
4 months ago

The final nail in Pan Am’s coffin was to purchase National Airlines at an extremely inflated price, in order to obtain National’s US-domestic routes. Unfortunately, Pan AM also acquired National’s debts. which were greater than the folks at Pan Am realized.

10001010
10001010
4 months ago

How much would I have to pay to not sit facing people I don’t know?

MEK
MEK
4 months ago
Reply to  10001010

I wouldn’t sit staring at a strange couple for 12 days even if they payed me the $59,950.

Dummyhead
Dummyhead
4 months ago
Reply to  MEK

Wait a minute, HOW strange is the couple? $60K a lotta money…

Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago

It’s odd how they decided to make it a flying cruise. 2 days in any one country is not nearly enough time if you’ve never been before, considering that about 3 hours of 6 of the days will be spent at the airport. If you have been to those places before, what’s the fun in just doing more touristy stuff?

The price itself isn’t that bad for flying semi-private and all-inclusive, but to pay that much to be rushed from place to place seems silly.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Kant Smathers

My bet is that most people who are booking this trip have already been to at least two of these destinations.

They’re doing it for the experience and nostalgia – not to spend time on the ground wandering the streets.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Nostalgia and experience? Nah, they’re doing it to put on Instagram.

Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Ok, let’s take that thought through. So, these are well traveled people that have flown a lot. These people don’t really care all that much about where they are going, they just REALLY like pressurized cabins. Is that correct?

I’m not saying you are wrong. There probably are people like that, but I wouldn’t want to hang out with them. The thing is, if someone has $60k-$120k to burn over twelve days, then they have the type of money to curate their own trip. Shit, they most likely have at least a Platinum AMEX or Sapphire Reserve card where they can just use the concierge service to make something that involves a lot less strangers.

To each their own, but paying all that to fly semi-private just for the sake of flying semi-private, is bananas to me.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Kant Smathers

Lets put it this way:

I personally know people who I’ve met aboard various ships over the years who are booking this.

They’re not like you or I. They are not worried about the reliability or the running cost of their cars: When one gets problematic, they replace it. They don’t read Autopian – They read their invitations to the lawn at Pebble Beach.

They’ve already been to NYC, London, Bermuda, Lisbon and the Med – both by air and ship.
They’ve already done the Transatlantic aboard QM2 at least twice. They’ve already done the Orient Express and the TGV. They’ve already done Antarctica and South America, Circle Pacific, etc. They’ve been to the Caribbean more times than you’ve been to the office this month. They don’t bother waking up early to watch their ship enter the Panama Canal or New York Harbor anymore, they’ve done it so often. There are certain bartenders, waiters and senior staff aboard certain ships who know them by name (as well as their favorite cocktails) like the staff at your Dr’s office know you.

They’ve already stayed aboard the Queen Mary in Long Beach, and aboard the old Rotterdam in Rotterdam. They’ve stayed at the TWA hotel at JFK – they’ve already done the PanAm experience in LA.

They wax nostalgic over the old QE2, Rotterdam(5), the France/Norway – as well as TWA, Eastern Airlines, and PanAm.

And if I had their time and money, I’d be joining the party and doing it too.

Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I get what you are laying down. I grew up with rich people. Most of my friends have boats. Big boy boats, lol. I’ve just not run into all that many that would be interested in this.

I have an Aunt (one of those that you call an Aunt, but isn’t) who likes that kinda stuff. She did a 3-week cruise of Europe on one of those specialty ships. But, even she kinda talked shit about the other passengers as dull blowhards that she had to ignore.

Look, all I’m saying is that 12 days is too short for a vanity trip for that kinda coin. Especially at this time of year. At this time of day. In this part of the country. Localized entirely within your…

Eh, you know what I’m saying.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Kant Smathers

“But, even she kinda talked shit about the other passengers as dull blowhards that she had to ignore.”

My Mother would do the same thing when we were aboard Holland America ships together

“These people are So Old”
“Mother, you’re almost 75 yourself”
“No Dear, they ACT old”

(Of course she would go straight back to her cabin after dinner while the rest of our group stayed up for cocktails and dancing. We wouldn’t be caught dead in any of the production shows…)

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Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I took a cruise once. It was fun-ish. I’ll never do it again, but I made it work out for me. I actually have a 4 page diary of that trip because it was such a loony bin.

Anyway, they had a comedy night that was half-amateur. Some drunk girl got up and was babbling bullshit. Not even complete sentences.

Never in my life, before or since, have I ever heard the vitriol spewed at this woman. It was pretty fantastic.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Kant Smathers

Yeah, there are certain lines that are known for that kind of idiocy.

I always find that the longer the itinerary and the more expensive the ship, the more truly interesting people you’ll meet.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
4 months ago

I’m ok with this. We have people paying a million dollars for a luxury car so why not have the opportunity to fly in a luxury plane. As far as I’m concerned, this one doesn’t go far enough in it’s luxury. Think luxury cruise ships Pan Am and copy.

Data
Data
4 months ago

They should do something special like pull a Concorde out of mothballs. It might be worth $60k for a unique flying opportunity like that.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

Concorde, while a fabulous experience, was not a very comfortable airliner.
It was too small.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
4 months ago

It would probably be similar to what Emirates does, but that is also a 9 figure interior. Business class redo on a 757 chops a zero of that figure, so way less capital investment up front.

There’s also the little issue that an A380 can’t land at half of the airports on the itinerary.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
4 months ago

It would be baller AF… but at that point I think you’d be better off just chartering some biz jets and not having to look at your fellow passenger’s nose hairs as they snore loudly enough to drown out the engines (true story from my one A380 flight).

The A380 is such a massive PITA to do fleet planning with. Even going from major hub to major hub where all of the taxiways meet Code F standards, just the sheer volume of extra special equipment that has to be organized is mind boggling. You need the right jetways, the right fleet of baggage handling equipment, the right service trucks…. it just goes on and on. Not to mention immigration will always hate you for the massive spikes it causes, and god help anyone stuck in the queue when multiple A380s are disgorging passengers into the customs hall.

Even more than the operating economics, I think what killed the A380 is just it’s lack of flexability- there are maybe a couple of dozen airport pairs in the world you can operate it profitably in, and you don’t have a change in hell of making money outside of those.

Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago

You don’t have a passport? Am I reading this right?

Kant Smathers
Kant Smathers
4 months ago

Ahh. Understood.

I was talking to a co-worker this last week and we were talking about traveling. (Actually, I was recounting the boss asking if you need a passport to go to Indonesia, which was…a question. lol)

Anyway, she said she’d never had a passport. I asked has she ever left Florida. She replied that she went to Maryland once. Fucking Maryland, of all places. I about fell down.

I tried to import the, well, importance of travelling, but it was kinda a brick wall.

To each their own, but that’s a yikes from me. ha.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
4 months ago
Reply to  Wuffles Cookie

Oh it could probably *land*. It just couldn’t take off ever again.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
4 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Eh, taking off is actually not a big problem, as most airliners have shorter TO minimums than landing minimums. The problem comes when you have to plan for an emergency, and suddenly that runway you just took off from is too short to land on and you find yourself up a certain creek without a paddle.

Robot Turds
Robot Turds
4 months ago

This is about the biggest load of horse shit I’ve seen in awhile. $60,000? To ride on a fucking plane? What kind of moron is going to pay that when for literally 10’s of thousands less you could instead book a flight on a A380 and basically get your own private room, fancy food and NOT have to sit and stare at someone sitting across from you?

The World of Vee
The World of Vee
4 months ago
Reply to  Robot Turds

It’s for the experience

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Robot Turds

I’d bet that most of the people who book this have already had that type of in-flight experience.
This is a different type of experience – probably more like the Orient Express as opposed to the TGV.

MY LEG!
MY LEG!
4 months ago
Reply to  Robot Turds

Keep in mind people were willing to front $6k for the “experience” of two nights at the Star Wars hotel.

According to the grapevine, this included no lobby area to relax prior to check-in so you have to stand in the Florida sun and humidity until the elevator to your room was ready and the staff would wake you up at 8 am sharp on the third day and supervise your packing so they could clear it out for the next guests.

I think rich people paying to be treated like the rest of us is funny but it is not a business model.

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