Happy Friday, Autopians! Another week in the books, and what a week it has been. I’ve been stuck at home all week due to the weather, but it looks like we’re turning a corner now. For the last day of this weird week, I want to show you two examples of the same car, courtesy of the folks in the Underappreciated Survivors Facebook group.
Yesterday, we went down to Cow Town and looked at a horned Lincoln and a spotted Neon. I assumed the hot-rod Lincoln would run away with it, but lo and behold, the little Neon won. I realize that many of those votes were qualified with “despite the automatic,” but still, it’s nice to see a car I really like win one.
And yes, that’s basically the same three-speed automatic Chrysler had been using ever since the K-car days, and it’s similar in design to the rear-wheel-drive Torqueflite automatics that date all the way back to the 1950s. Who cares? Maybe I just don’t have very refined taste (actually, I know I don’t), but I’m perfectly happy with a simpler version of something, if I can rely on it. I don’t need fancy stuff like a fourth gear.
Now then: It’s hard to remember, when you see a beat-up Altima weaving in and out of traffic, or when the rental company tells you all they have left are three Versas, but Nissan used to be a respectable automaker. Perpetually lagging behind other Japanese makes in sales, Nissan made and sold some really good cars thirty or forty years ago. But they weren’t memorable cars, except for the fast ones. Today we’re going to sing the praises of the neglected middle child of Nissan’s lineup, the Stanza, and remember that at least one version had a really great trick up its sleeve.
1989 Nissan Stanza GXE – $3,000
Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Rochelle Park, NJ
Odometer reading: 32,000 miles
Operational status: Ad doesn’t really say, actually, but I assume it runs and drives
1982 was a big year for Nissan in the US. The brand name change from Datsun to Nissan began, and along with it, the model numbers were replaced with actual names. Two of those, the Sentra and the Stanza, were all-new cars. The front-wheel-drive Stanza replaced the rear-wheel-drive Datsun 510 which replaced the 710, though all three were called the Nissan Violet and/or Auster in Japan. I can’t help but wonder if its sales might have been better if Nissan had not kept changing the names of things.
The Stanza is powered by Nissan’s fuel-injected CA20E four-cylinder, putting out 105 horsepower. Its performance was on par with similar cars of the day, which is to say slow. This one has an overdrive automatic, but even a manual Stanza is pretty pokey. This car sounds like the quintessential “little old lady who only drove to church” car; it has had only one owner, and covered only 32,000 miles. It’s practically a time capsule.
This car makes me miss the days when car interiors came in more colors than just black or gray. Common practice was to make the inside match the outside, like this one. It does make junkyard-diving for parts a bit more difficult, of course; you can always find the missing or broken piece of trim you need, but never in the right color. This one doesn’t appear to need anything, but there is an odd wear pattern on the driver’s seat, like the owner had something in their pocket all the time or something. At least it’s not worn through.
Outside, it’s straight and shiny, as you’d expect from a garaged car with so few miles. It may not be the most exciting thing on four wheels, but it’s also a practically new thirty-five-year-old car, cheap.
1986 Nissan Stanza Wagon – $2,250
Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: El Cajon, CA
Odometer reading: 104,000 miles
Operational status: Only says “great on gas,” so I guess it runs and drives?
The four-door sedan wasn’t the only Stanza model available, though. This is the Stanza Wagon, which was known as the Nissan Prairie in Japan. Though they called it a wagon, this is in some ways closer to a van; it has sliding doors on both sides (more than a decade before Chrysler’s minivans), but there’s more: There is no B-pillar. Open the front door and the sliding door, and you’re faced with a massive hole in the side. This makes it incredibly easy to get people – or stuff – in or out, but I imagine you couldn’t get away with it these days, with modern side-impact standards.
The doors latch at the top and bottom, so they can be opened independently; you don’t have to open the front door before the rear door, like on a Honda Element or a Saturn coupe. It’s a really neat bit of engineering. The basic platform on which this clever, upright body rides is not the same as the Stanza sedan; it’s related to the smaller Nissan Sunny (Sentra in the US). It does, however, have the same CA20E engine. This one is a five-speed manual, and also pretty low mileage. It has had a “bunch of maintenance” done to it, which I presume means it runs well, but once again, the ad is light on details.
This is a California car, and I almost didn’t need the ad to tell me that. It has no rust, but the paint is baked to a chalky, matte finish. The only shiny paint is inside the door sills and under the hood. But personally, I’d take faded and chalky over rusty any day. Inside, it’s at least as clean as the red one, and once again, matches the outside.
It also has some wonderful ’80s touches like the grid pattern on the instrument panel, and speakers mounted in the ceiling in the rear. According to the seller, it sounds pretty good, too. So once again I have to ask: What would you play in it? Me, I’m thinking Level 42, specifically the World Machine album. No reason; it just seems to fit.
So there you have them: two different cars, about the same age, with the same engine, but very different overall. You can’t go wrong either way, I think, so it comes down to personal preference. Shiny old-lady sedan, or cool but faded wagon?
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
$3,000 for an 89 Stanza? Ummmmm….no. Can’t stand that!
I have always liked the flexible Nissan Multi aka Stanza Wagon, and the faded paint can be taken care of fairly easily.
The Nissan Prairie/Stanza Wagon was the Italdesign Lancia Megagamma improved by adding a pillarless sliding door. At the time I thought it was revolutionary, and just couldn’t believe that it was greeted generally with a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders.
OK, full disclosure on why it’s the wagon for me: I’ve had this brownish-orange, EU-spec 1983 Datsun Praire in my saved ads for a loooong time, and I find myself daydreaming about it every now and then. Initially the owner was asking for a steep €4500, then after a few months it was lowered to €4000, and a few more months later it was changed to €4000 negotiable. It’s been like that ever since, which is probably about 1 year now. It’s in better shape than the one in the ad, and has super low mileage for how old it is (~80.000km), but I have a feeling that it’ll eventually sell for about half of what they’re asking for. Datsun/Nissan Prairies are extremely rare around here, but rarity in this case actually detracts from the price as it isn’t exactly a collector’s item, just a very unusual daily driver. Sourcing parts – apart from mechanical components – is probably hell. It shouldn’t be too hard to keep it on the road, but preserving its looks is a whole other story, and any minor fender bender could total the car.
And yet, I keep convincing myself that it would be great as a replacement of my slowly dying 1998 VW Polo. I’d offer €2000 for it (willing to go to €2500) if my wife was on board. She is not.
Wagon…it has always been the wagon for me. Loved the boxy looks, these sliding doors, high seating position and versatility. With rear seat and passenger seat removed (few screws) you could haul serious stuff (motorcycles). With all seating in place you could still stuff some lengthy tubes or planks all the way up to the front footwell (2.5 meters or more?), as they went under the rear and front seat. That’s a feature they should bring back!
“which was known as the Nissan Prairie in Japan .. and Europe” (ftfy)
ah, and music…Hüsker Du.
Applause for the Level 42 reference. One of my all time favorite groups. World Machine is a great album too.
We don’t need no stinking B pillars!
Was just thinking about cars without B pillars; Facel Vega Excellence and Lancia Appia were on the list, Stanza wagon was not. Interestingly the Appia and the Stanza look like they have B pillars when the doors are closed as opposed to four door hardtops that have a vestigial B pillar when you open the doors.
Wagon with a 5 speed? No contest!
don’t forget the Ford B-max in your list of B-pillarlesses
“when you see a beat-up Altima weaving in and out of traffic,”
You can just say when you see an Altima in traffic
The wear pattern on the driver’s seat is from a thick wallet in the rear pants pocket. A Co-stanza.
I gotta have the sedan since it’s in such good shape and low miles…will just swap in a 5-spd
Both sedans and wagon Stanzas, you bet!
Then, I’d have a Nissan couplet!
Are you with me Doctor Wu
Are you really just a shadow
Of the man that I once knew
Hey Lazlo!
Seinfeld “Co Stanza” in “By Mennan” jingle. OR
Seinfeld “Can’t Stand Ya” in George’s gym teacher voice?
I think I’d take the wagon for the fun of an underpowered manual transmission car, but my god don’t get into a side impact wreck in that thing.
Changing the name to Nissan and leaving the historically-charged “Datsun” behind was a huge Niss-Take, and it cost them market share. Datsun birthed The Fair Lady, 240Z, 510, King Cab etc. Why move sidewards from all that mojo and good will?
I did vote the wagon–sumbuddy’s gotta be practical.
Stanza Wagon/mini-minivan for me. It’s much more novel, it’s manual and it’s practical.
It was an easy pick.