Home » Rear-Wheel-Drive Last Hurrahs: 2006 Pontiac Solstice vs 2013 Scion FR-S

Rear-Wheel-Drive Last Hurrahs: 2006 Pontiac Solstice vs 2013 Scion FR-S

Sbsd 3 11 2025
ADVERTISEMENT

Welcome to day two of Dead Brands Week! Today we’re looking at two rear-wheel-drive sports cars, one from Pontiac and one from Scion, that came along shortly before their respective brands bit the dust. Better late than never, I suppose.

Yesterday it was Plymouth versus Mercury, in a battle of largely superfluous brands. I expected the Plymouth Fury to win, but frankly, I expected a wider margin of victory. That Cougar is the nicest one I’ve seen in a while, but saying “this is the best 1988 Mercury Cougar” is kind of like saying “this is the best Coldplay album.” It might be true, but like maybe three people care. (I kid, DT, I kid.)

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

Yeah, I vote for the Gran Fury, in case it wasn’t obvious. It reminds me of the ex-government-fleet Plymouths that my grandpa used to pick up cheap at auctions, though he preferred the smaller B-body Fury. That style of Cougar just reminds me of our asshole neighbor when I was growing up, who had one. The Plymouth does have kind of a gritty ’70s private-eye feel to it, as a couple of you pointed out, but to me that’s not a bad thing.

Screenshot From 2025 03 10 16 57 38

The shift to front-wheel-drive over the course of the 1980s was largely a good thing; it gave cars better packaging, so they could be both bigger inside and smaller outside, and it improved foul-weather driving by quite a bit. But while everyone seemed fine with family cars and economy cars moving to FWD, it didn’t take enthusiasts long to figure out that they lost all the little RWD sports cars in the process. Sure, there were some bright spots, like the Honda CRX and the Volkswagen GTI, that made FWD fun, but a whole generation of enthusiasts – mine – grew up lamenting the lack of that finely-balanced, front-engine, rear-drive sports car feel. It’s part of the reason the Mazda Miata was such a breath of fresh air; it came along when even Lotus was making FWD cars.

ADVERTISEMENT

Once the Miata proved that we still wanted cars like it, other new RWD sports cars followed in later years, like the two we have here, but neither was enough to save its brand from the chopping block. No matter. The nameplates are gone, but the cars are still here – and still pretty cool. Let’s check them out.

2006 Pontiac Solstice – $8,000

00o0o Fk92kxmchxy 0gw0co 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.4 liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, RWD

Location: Gladstone, OR

Odometer reading: 48,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great

ADVERTISEMENT

Sometimes, when a brand gets killed off, it makes sense. Poor sales, redundancy in the lineup, that sort of thing. But other times, they’re just victims of bad management. GM’s bankruptcy in 2009 caused a restructuring of the whole company, shedding a lot of divisions in the process, one of which was Pontiac. It was a shame, because Pontiac was GM’s enthusiast division more than any other, and always full of surprises: the original GTO, the mid-engine Fiero, the AWD 6000 STE sedan, various Trans Ams over the years, and this delightful little roadster.

00808 Hli8bni1wnf 0gw0co 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

The Solstice stuck to the basic roadster formula established by any number of British and Italian sports cars: two seats, a longitudinally-mounted engine just behind the front axle, and a manual transmission driving the rear wheels. The engine in question is GM’s Ecotec twin-cam four, displacing 2.4 liters. It’s got just enough power to make things interesting, but not enough to satisfy the critics. The turbocharged GXP version had a lot more power, but honestly, if you can’t have fun with 177 horses in a car this size, you’re not trying. This car has only 48,000 miles on it; apparently somebody only drove it in fair weather.

00e0e Acqluwm2fzf 0gw0co 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

It’s in good condition inside, as you would expect for so few miles, with nice leather seats. I’m not sure seats this dark in a convertible are the best idea; you’d be wise to park in the shade on sunny days. I mean, yeah, it has air conditioning, but tell that to the backs of your thighs. I have yet to drive a Solstice (or its sister model, the Saturn Sky), but I’ve sat in one, and I really liked the snug, driver-oriented cockpit feel of it. It feels very Miata-like, which I’m sure is not a coincidence.

00h0h Exlrwygn1qt 0gw0co 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

Outside, it has a few modifications, and whether or not they’re improvements is a matter of personal opinion. The stripes I could do without; I don’t think this style needs them. But I kind of like the 18″ aftermarket wheels. I’m not typically a fan of oversize wheels, but these give it a Hot Wheels vibe, and even better, they’re shod with new tires. I don’t know these cars well enough to know it the convertible top is supposed to be that wrinkly around the rear window, but it doesn’t look quite right.

2013 Scion FR-S – $9,800

00u0u F988dr7ougz 0ci0t2 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter dual overhead cam flat 4, six-speed manual, RWD

ADVERTISEMENT

Location: Portland, OR

Odometer reading: 122,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great

Sports cars are a low-volume business, so if you’re going to spend the money to develop one, you had better save wherever you can if you want the car to be affordable. It makes sense, then, that Toyota and Subaru joined forces to produce this car, so they could each sell a version of it. It’s known by many names throughout the world: Subaru BRZ, Toyota GT86, Toyota FT86, but here in America, for a few years, it was sold under Toyota’s kiddie-oriented economy brand Scion as the FR-S.

00s0s Hzottlumzre 0ci0t2 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

The engineering contains bits and pieces from both manufacturers: its engine is Subaru’s boxer design, which keeps the center of gravity and the hoodline both low, but the six-speed gearbox is a Toyota design. This car has also been criticized as not having enough power, but I think anyone complaining about that needs to go drive an Austin-Healey Sprite to get some perspective. This thing has as much power as four Sprites, and weighs about as much as one and a half. It’s fine. This one runs and drives well, but it’s for sale by a dealership, so its past is something of a mystery.

ADVERTISEMENT
00l0l Gwohb2mqei1 0ci0t2 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

My biggest complaint about Scion’s cars is that the interiors seem gaudy and trying too hard. The FR-S appears to be no exception. I get that it’s leaning into the “tuner” thing, but it comes across as cheesy to me. At least it’s in good condition, except for that weird stain on the driver’s seat.

00l0l 9rnzowdbzwl 0ci0t2 1200x900
Image: Craigslist seller

It’s hard to tell the exterior condition, because the seller photographed it in the rain. One of the perils of selling cars in the Pacific Northwest, I guess. It looks all right, and I wouldn’t expect a car this age to have any rust yet, but the rain does a good job of hiding any paint flaws. Also, I think it has been lowered a little, and I’m reasonably sure the rear spoiler isn’t stock, if any of that matters to you.

I’m really glad that small rear-wheel-drive sports cars like these had a renaissance before everything goes electric. And I’m even happier that so many of them have manual transmissions. And while Pontiac and Scion may be gone, you can still get a new Subaru BRZ or Toyota GR86, – or Miata, of course – with a manual. In a sea of crossovers and massive pickup trucks, its good to know we still have some fun options, and unlike the bad old days of British and Italian roadsters, these are actually reliable, so they make sense as used cars. Which one is more your speed?

Share on facebook
Facebook
Share on whatsapp
WhatsApp
Share on twitter
Twitter
Share on linkedin
LinkedIn
Share on reddit
Reddit
Subscribe
Notify of
69 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Timothy Swanson
Timothy Swanson
20 hours ago

Also, I really miss Pontiac. Many of the best looking GM cars of every era came out of that division. I may be biased, though, because an ’88 Bonneville is the car I learned to drive on, an underrated vehicle in unplowed snow, and it was the best car my family ever owned. It went 350,000+ on the original engine (2nd transmission) until my brother bent the hood and totalled it. Other than suspension and other wear items, the transmission and an idle motor were the only things to break. Plus, it was, for its era, a fun car to drive. Why GM dumped Pontiac, Saturn, and Oldsmobile, while keeping the most boring brand, Buick, is a mystery to me. All three were better.

Timothy Swanson
Timothy Swanson
20 hours ago

Both. But the Pontiac. I have a Subaru already, and really wanted that Pontiac (or the Saturn version) when it came out. Had a kid on the way, though, so got a stick shift VUE instead, which was a great car for us. But I’d totally take the Scion too.

Jason Christopher
Jason Christopher
20 hours ago

I would normally pick the Scion, but not that one.

Slow4RunnerFast
Slow4RunnerFast
23 hours ago

Solstice takes it. But that poor car needs to wrapped or repainted. Toss the wheels in a volcano and find something a bit smaller. After that you have a nice weekend/good weather car. Also, Pontiac was cool as hell.

The Scion is still tempting, though. Aside from the goofy-ass spoilers and fart cannon exhaust (all removable), it’s a nice looking car inside and out. But the higher mileage and likely Boi Racer past make it a no-go here.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
1 day ago

Scion, simply because I can fit in it with some grunting and groaning. I’ve been in a Solstice, I almost asked for help to get out.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 day ago

Yeah, this was easy…I love and miss Pontiac! That Solstice is not my favorite of theirs, but they’re still pretty good…and different. I’m just not interested in the Scion as much, especially w/ that atrocious front end (and back end, for that matter) It’s still an ok car for someone.
I don’t like the front end on the Solstice that much either but it’s still better and I would have way more fun in the Pontiac- would get rid of stripes and paint it blue. Also, if I had to choose between this and a Saturn Sky- those look better than the Solstice in general

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
1 day ago

Solstice for the drop top. Put a wrap on it to delete those stupid stripes. Throw the wheels in the trash for a stock set or at least a good looking aftermarket set.

JDE
JDE
1 day ago

hate those stripes on the Pontiac, but at least I have wanted one at one time and they probably only have slight ghost lines after I remove them right? …Right.

Fr-S is nicer looking, but I am not sure I would want a boi racer subie motor car with over 100k miles.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
1 day ago

Scion for me… it’s more my type of vehicle. Also I’ve read that the Solstice and the other vehicles on that platform have issues due to the hodge-podge design done on the cheap.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 day ago

Of the two, I don’t care for the crappy wheels on either of them, but the Scion is more usable for my needs. If I’m buying one as just a toy, I’m doing what others have said and buying a NC Miata.

Myk El
Myk El
1 day ago

Can’t really accommodate a drop top with my skin type. Toyobaru for me.

M SV
M SV
1 day ago

If it was the Saturn sky I would be more interested never liked the looks of the Pontiac. The 2.4 turbos like to blow but na they are fairly reliable so of course you should throw the $300 eBay turbo kit on it and tune it.
I think the f-rs is better looking and probably more fun unless you really need that convertible.

Allen Lloyd
Allen Lloyd
1 day ago

Having driven the Scion by 1 million miles. The Slowstice look and feels like a Miata, but it unfortunately does not drive like one.

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 day ago

I have a GR86, so (unenthusiastically) the Solstice I can’t imagine how much of a dog the 2.0 must be with the torque dip and lack of lower end. The 2.4 is OK, but still has a bit of a dip and could definitely use more torque—I’d trade 1000 rpm for it and maybe it would be able to pull a proper overdrive 6th (it’s the same as 5th in my ’83 Subaru GL with literally 1/2 the torque (though, at less than half the rpm) and 1/3 the hp. This particular FRS also looks more suspect of poor treatment by the PO and probably an odd smell that would be tough to get rid of. Solstice owner may have had questionable taste, but appears to have been babied and has lower miles for less money and they’re rarer.

755_SoCalRally
755_SoCalRally
1 day ago

I’ve already owned (and sold) a 2014 BRZ, so for me the Pontiac is an easy choice and it looks like a fun little car.

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
1 day ago

I wish it was a turbo model, but I will still take the Solstice

Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
1 day ago

1st: Coldplay is an excellent band whose artistic quality does not decrease for being a bit commercial.
2nd: France.
3rd: They are both compelling options, but the Solstice is more original and less vape-y.

Mike F.
Mike F.
1 day ago

I’m going with the Scion. The Pontiac would not be a terrible choice, but I never liked the look of the Solstice. It’s bulgy in all the wrong ways. One caveat -I might bring a blacklight to scan the interior of the Scion before making the final decision.

Stryker_T
Stryker_T
1 day ago

IMO, the solstice is just ugly.

I love the look of the FR-S/86 in general but this one has definitely been modified by the previous owner(s), so there are untold truths there for sure.

I pick neither.

Griznant
Griznant
1 day ago

That Solstice looks terrible with the stripes and wheels.
Having recently taken delivery of my GT86, I can honestly say that if the FR-S is half as good as the newer one, then it’s the winner here.

John Crouch
John Crouch
1 day ago

That’s a nope for either one. Miata or Fiata way better cars.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
1 day ago
Reply to  John Crouch

I VERY much preferred the NC Miata to the Solstice

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
1 day ago
Reply to  John Crouch

In fact, here’s the review of the NC I had back in 2015 that I wrote up for TTAC
Capsule Review: 2015 Mazda Miata Grand Touring PRHT | The Truth About Cars

Mr. Canoehead
Mr. Canoehead
7 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

Nice write-up. I would have had the same reaction if someone dropped off a Miata with an automatic!

Hoser68
Hoser68
1 day ago

Can we add an option?

Found a 2008 Miata with 74k miles clean carfax manual transmission for $8k. Wasn’t even trying hard, just did a search for local miatas near wherever the hell my VPN thinks I am right now.

Sure early NCs weren’t that pretty, but I think a Miata splitting the differences prices, miles and years would be zoom-zoom the result to a 3rd option.

Hoser68
Hoser68
1 day ago

If it’s a toy? Pontiac. Convertibles are better toys than Hardtops. Given Pontiacs janky top design, it will need to be in a garage.

If it’s a regular driver? Scion. Hardtop, more space for groceries, etc.

Now for these particular cars. The Pontiac isn’t horrible looking, has low miles but is priced higher than it should be. I think I could get a NC Miata for around that money.

The Scion. I wouldn’t even test drive it with out a hazmat suit.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
1 day ago

If given a choice, I’d rather have a Sky over a Solstice, but I’ll take the Solstice over the Scion any day. Convertible roadsters are simply more special than a 2+2 coupe targeted towards the drifter crowd.

Baja_Engineer
Baja_Engineer
1 day ago

Looking forward to Mark featuring a Saturn this week

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
23 hours ago
Reply to  Baja_Engineer

Or a SAAB

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
1 day ago

I’ve driven a GXP Solstice, and would wish this one was that everytime I got in it, and parts are starting to be problematic to source on them, which is wild for a car this new

It’s 20 years old….

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
1 day ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

Nonsense! Next you’ll be telling me people have loved entire lifetimes since the early 90s, lo these few summers past. It’s a lie, I tell you.

Last edited 1 day ago by Gilbert Wham
69
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x