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Remember The Jeep That Overheated 20 Minutes After I Sold It To A Nice Lady? Well, Its Engine Suffered Severe Damage

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This sucks. It really, really sucks. I’m selling what I consider the perfect example of my favorite Jeep — a 1991 Jeep Cherokee XJ Laredo five-speed 4×4 — for one main reason: I’m tired of working on it. So it’s pretty absurd that that, after I sold it, I’m now covered in grease, tearing into the vehicle’s broken engine, whose cylinder head I just took to a machine shop to be diagnosed. What the machinist found was not good; let’s have a look.

I have so much regret. I should have taken the XJ on a long-ish test drive before selling it, because I know I would have noticed a thermal issue far before the engine overheated. The buyer — like most people who expect their cars to, you know, work — did not, and continued driving until the Jeep literally spewed steam out of its exhaust pipe and would no longer start. The result of my inaction is that, instead of just replacing a water pump in two hours, I’m rebuilding the top end of an engine. Actually, to be more precise, I’m replacing it.

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This last part is news I just received from my machine shop, whose kind, towering, heavy-set foreman called me earlier today to say only two words: “It’s cracked.”

To be honest, I already knew this was the case. I have owned four Jeep Cherokees in my lifetime, and have cracked cylinder heads on all four of them. I even once wrote about how, while traveling through Colorado, I stayed an extra week to fix my best friend’s family’s XJ, whose engine, I’d been told, was drinking coolant. That ended up being a cylinder head crack as well. (Its crack is shown at the bottom of this article).

As great as the AMC 4.0-liter engine is, that long cast-iron head is unforgiving when subjected to high temperatures, and given that the Jeep Cherokee XJ was designed initially to cool only a 2.5-liter, 100 horsepower inline-four and a 2.8-liter, 110 horsepower V6, its engine bay isn’t exactly ideal for the 190 horsepower fuel injected straight six. The short, wide radiator, along with its two tiny fans (one mechanical, one electric) are just not enough to reliably keep the Jeep cool in a variety of conditions, especially if the cooling system parts aren’t in tip-top order.

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Obviously, in this case, the problem had less to do with the XJ’s marginal cooling system and more to do with a water pump that leaked out all the coolant, but my point is that I’m tired of replacing 4.0-liter heads. I’d rather do just about anything else at this point.

Usually I snag a new head from O’Reilly Auto Parts for about $400, but because my donor vehicle for my $350 red overlanding Jeep was a rusted-out Green ZJ with a good motor, I’ve had a spare sitting in my garage for a number of months. I zipped its cylinder head off and took it to the shop today to be checked and shaved perfectly flat; I have no doubt it will be crack-free based on the condition of the 205,000 mile engine (it’s remarkably good).

Now let’s get back to that cracked head.

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Here’s a look at the crack that the shop identified:

That’s pretty substantial; I mean, the fact that it’s clearly visible to the naked eye, and that it’s over an inch long tells me that this engine got very, very hot.  What I find interesting is that the crack propagated between two cylinders; my previous experience with a cracked 4.0-liter head in my friend Bobby’s Jeep involved a crack forming between two valves of the same cylinder:

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What a nightmare scenario for all involved, really. You sell a car after spending years replacing its entire front suspension, front fender, fender flare, fender liner, rear bumper, front bumper, driver’s seat, ECU, power steering pump, front axle vacuum disconnect motor, radio, and on and on — you’re certain that finally, after all of those fixes, the car is worth enough to be sold for at least a small profit. You didn’t buy it to sell it, of course; you wanted to keep it forever, but it’s been too much of a hassle, and now just want it out of your hair. Then finally, you find a buyer, who drives away and then 20 minutes later — boom: You’re stuck fixing the Jeep yet again.

I truly believe that, if a car has been unreliable enough, it will feel like it’s betrayed you, and you’ll fall out of love with it. That happened long ago between me and what I once thought was the most perfect Jeep on earth. I want it out of my life.

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TXJeepGuy
TXJeepGuy
2 years ago

I did the head on my 01 last year. I have zero interest in ever doing it again.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
2 years ago

David – the simple fact that you are fixing a truck that you SOLD, presumably as-is, makes you a Prince among men.

Hopefully you get all kinds of good Jeep Karma out of this.

Mike
Mike
2 years ago

David, am I reading this wrong? Your failure rate on head gaskets is 100%??

Phil Layshio
Phil Layshio
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike

His failure rates on actual heads is 100%

Doctor Nine
Doctor Nine
2 years ago

Personally, it is my opinion that the reason the Jeep Gods have subjected you to so many cracked 4.0 heads, is that you are being gently nudged to build a monster 4.0L with an aftermarket Edelbrock #50169 performance aluminum cylinder head. You should listen to the Universe. It knows what’s good for you.

05LGT
05LGT
2 years ago
Reply to  Doctor Nine

A Stellantis cooling engineer that keeps running 4.0’s behind that deficient radiator? Nah, that’s not the hint he’s been ignoring. He needs to nerd out, come up with a better cooling system for these that can be implemented cheaply, and market the damn things as XJ by DT cooling systems or something. Make a few bucks and keep a lot of Jeeps on the trails.

clear_prop
clear_prop
2 years ago

The most surprising thing in this article is that David has owned four Jeep Cherokees.

That number seems way low considering the amount of ‘holy grails’ that have been through the mud pit in his backyard.

Jeff Gillio
Jeff Gillio
2 years ago

David,

You are trapped in an abusive relationship with Jeep. You need to end that relationship and find one with a brand that loves you and treats you with respect.

Truck Gunnhammer Jr.
Truck Gunnhammer Jr.
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Gillio

No, he needs to go deeper. David, get in touch with your german heritage and buy BMWs.

I can guarantee that even a base-spec E46 will never stop giving you wrenching opportunities. Plus you get an excuse to buy yourself a whole set of Torx bits (good for electronics repair too).

Tommy Helios
Tommy Helios
2 years ago

He is fond of the mk1 Audi TT, we can probably start a pool of readers at a buck a piece and find the most rusted out quattro in north America and just drop it on his lawn and see what happens.

Loren
Loren
2 years ago

Yes XJ’s through their design mis-steps were built to overheat, I finally cut ours up to take a YJ radiator and mechanical fan. So far so good but if that doesn’t work it’s getting a V6 so at-least the wall of acc’y components is back a little bit.

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
2 years ago

Long ago I sold a Fiero to my girlfriend’s Dad. A few months later, while putting a new (used) Iron Duke into it, I decided to never again sell a car to someone I know. David, you’re a kind and honorable man. Too kind.

David Kieras
David Kieras
2 years ago

The buyer though…she’s gonna get a good deal out of this debacle. New head/valve job, refreshed cooling system, that’s really several XJ issues out of the way, honestly. Sure, maybe she could invest in a custom aluminum radiator; I’ve done that with good results. The only major thing left to worry about is “death wobble,” but that may be a ways down the road.

And David, you got several articles out of it. Reminds me of all the unwanted work I had to do on my kid’s ’91 XJ, but it was worth it in the end.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 years ago
Reply to  David Kieras

No insult to be directed to DT here. But I hope that poor woman has already run hard, and run far away from this shit show…”Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I am a dumb ass. YMMV.

Ron888
Ron888
2 years ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

I’m curious about that.Is she still interested i wonder?
The vehicle *should* now be solidly reliable for awhile

MP81
MP81
2 years ago

God I am glad I did not buy that thing. I didn’t need an XJ I couldn’t drive in winter because it was too nice.

That said, I suppose I would probably have noticed the overheating right away, but still.

Eugene White
Eugene White
2 years ago

Can we get an Autopian “Stay cool. Say no to crack” shirt with a graphic of a 4.0 cylinder head?

Ron888
Ron888
2 years ago
Reply to  Eugene White

😀

david kenney II
david kenney II
2 years ago

Fell your pain here. Yet, every time there has been an overheat on any car I’ve worked on is, 9 times out of 10, that the head gasket failed and/or the cylinder head cracked. Really doesn’t matter if its an iron or aluminum head. One car in particular, the heads were fine after being checked, later found a cracked cylinder wall. My favorite was discovering a cylinder sleeve in a 1.9 Saturn had actually dropped down in the block causing coolant and oil loss. Every 4.0L I have diagnosed that has overheated, the head was cracked.

Stones4
Stones4
2 years ago

Weld it, mill it flat, send it.

Oh you have another head. Put it on and send it. Off a cliff.

Abraham Smith
Abraham Smith
2 years ago

“To be honest, I already knew this was the case. I have owned four Jeep Cherokees in my lifetime, and have cracked cylinder heads on all four of them.”

These vehicles are garbage. 100% engine failure rate on any personal fleet is not normal.

Ben
Ben
2 years ago
Reply to  Abraham Smith

This will be an unpopular take here, but XJ fans are the predecessors of Tesla Stans. These vehicles have all kinds of problems, but XJ true believers will defend them to the death.

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
2 years ago
Reply to  Abraham Smith

My personal fleet is not quite at 100% engine failure, therefore my fleet is perfectly normal, as I have been insistently yelling at people for years now.

Doctor Nine
Doctor Nine
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

When proven wrong, just yell louder.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
2 years ago
Reply to  Abraham Smith

I’m also very confused by “the unkillable 4.0” statements, when time after time they are proven absolute garbage.

This is coming from a guy who has owned lots of Alfa Romeos, a couple Fiats and a whole bunch of Citroens and VWs and has never been stranded or experienced an engine failure in any of them.

Angry Dorito
Angry Dorito
2 years ago

“I truly believe that, if a car has been unreliable enough, it will feel like it’s betrayed you, and you’ll fall out of love with it.”

I’ve had this feeling towards my RAV4 a couple times now, and yet when I take it for ‘one last drive’ I think “this is far too nice to get rid of” and then spend a bit more money on it to keep it going.

Now excuse me while I go order a brand new fuel tank from Rock Auto…

Erik Hancock
Erik Hancock
2 years ago

David – sometimes when we’re angry or hurt, we say things we don’t mean to the ones we love. You just need to take a deep breath, go for a long walk, and cry some [rusty] tears. You were made for each other. Everything is going to be alright, man.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
2 years ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

There’s always someone trying to keep an abusive relationship going. Next you’ll tell David that he can’t do any better than this demon Jeep, and that the neighbors will start talking about him if he doesn’t keep up appearances.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault…

We need to get some gifs up in this bitch.

Phil Layshio
Phil Layshio
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Notifications would be nice, too ????

Man With A Reliable Jeep
Man With A Reliable Jeep
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil Layshio

I’d be happy with basic comments sorting functions.

R G
R G
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

What if it promises to change, and that things will be different from now on?

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
2 years ago
Reply to  R G

Oh sure, make excuses for the Jeep. It just had too much coolant drink, right?

Brian Souhan
Brian Souhan
2 years ago

I’ve always thought the I6 to be incredibly tough, but now I am a bit worried about my own as twice in its 21 years of existence, it has overheated as the electric fan cut off and I didn’t notice until the it beeped at me and told me to look at my gauges. There was also a period when it was running between 210-220 for years…should I pull the head and get it inspected. Running great currently but would hate to get stuck somewhere! Currently consistently runs around 200 or less and isn’t drinking coolant so hoping it’s good!

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Thinking that something like this should be on your radar. If done right, this should be a massive improvement in cooling ability.

I know, you love parsimony like you love Jeeps. But sometimes if you spend more up front, you end up saving long-term.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
2 years ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

What, no links in the comments? It was a three-row, all aluminum rad for the XJ with three electric fans for under $300CAD. If the rad is questionable, this would be an upgrade.

Brian Souhan
Brian Souhan
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Just went to their website! Super easy, they even send a free test kit and include shipping back! (which I’m sure you probably already stated…get in line, my gf says I never listen!)

Dest
Dest
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Souhan

Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Chris Savino
Chris Savino
2 years ago

Push that thing off a cliff.

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Savino

Seriously… to say this XJ is the perfect example is a major stretch. It’s rusty and has a cracked head, it’s filthy on top of that, needs tires, who knows what else.. it’s a mess. It’s fun to watch someone wrench on cars that should otherwise be in a junk yard thought. The entertainment value is pretty high.

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 years ago

“I truly believe that, if a car has been unreliable enough, it will feel like it’s betrayed you, and you’ll fall out of love with it.”

My brain and the permanent rose-tinted memories of my 1989 Renault Espace From Hell would beg to differ.

Just yesterday I was picking my daughter up from school and somehow the Espace came up. She’s only 8 so she has no memories of it, but she does ask about it a lot (the engine died when my daughter was 2). This time she was surprised that it was a Renault – maybe because I always refer to it as “The Espace”. At some point I just said that if we got crazy rich I’d be driving to France to buy the best looking Espace Quadra MK1 for sale (but let’s not fool ourselves, if that was to happen, I would not do that trip to buy *just* the Espace).

Angry Dorito
Angry Dorito
2 years ago

Username checks out.

Vetatur Fumare
Vetatur Fumare
2 years ago

Ahahaha, my daughter has a similar relationship with my old Volvo 245 – which I crashed, falling asleep on the highway (grad school) the day before her 2nd birthday. When she wants to punish me she will draw a picture of a Volvo on fire for me.

Evo_CS
Evo_CS
2 years ago
Reply to  Vetatur Fumare

That is straight up savage of her.

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 years ago
Reply to  Vetatur Fumare

Oh man, kids can be really mean sometimes. I’m glad my daughter has no idea my bad maintenance habits probably had a lot to do with the engine dying.

Dead Elvis Inc.
Dead Elvis Inc.
2 years ago
Reply to  Vetatur Fumare

“When she wants to punish me she will draw a picture of a Volvo on fire for me.”

I don’t have any kids, but that sounds like some pretty solid parenting right there 😉

Griznant
Griznant
2 years ago

I would like to take a moment to talk to you about Renaults. I have two 4CVs and need parts. I have NEVER owned French cars before and am running into serious roadblocks in getting parts for them from companies that will actually ship to the U.S. Can you point me in a good direction for those? I’ve joined forums but they are slim pickins when it comes to info for North American customers.

Thanks in advance!

DAFinReverse
DAFinReverse
2 years ago
Reply to  Griznant

Hi Griznant,
The Netherlands here. Have two links to Dutch suppliers that should have R4 CV parts:
http://renparts.com/index.php/4cv-c-22_23?language=nl
https://www.easycarparts.nl/auto-onderdelen-roosendaal/renault/4-cv-sedan-1947-1961

Cheers, Olaf

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
2 years ago
Reply to  Griznant

I’m interested in a good US source for Renault parts, too, in that my Volvo 66 GL (a.k.a. DAF 66) uses a Renault Cléon-Fonte engine and I haven’t had much luck with finding anything locally, except in the sense that the 66 GL parts car in my driveway is local.

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

There’s this really good Portuguese website, All4Renault[dot]com (in case the link doesn’t work), and if you need Renault parts for your DAF they may be able to help you out.

https://www.all4renault.com

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 years ago
Reply to  Griznant

Did you check out https://www.franzose.de/? They usually have a great selection of parts for French cars, and the 2CV shouldn’t really suffer from part scarcity since so many if then were built. Although I know for a fact 2CV parts are not as abundant as Renault 4 parts, for instance, which are not only very abundant, but in some cases are still being produced.

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
2 years ago

Sorry, I misread your comment and figured you were a Citroën guy asking a Renault guy as a last resort. 4CV parts are not abundant, that’s for sure, but try this Portuguese website https://www.all4renault.com, maybe they can help you, Franzose probably has some 4CV parts stock as well.

They see me Corollin
They see me Corollin
2 years ago

Ugh, it’s like a relationship (human one, not a car one) going south. You put in the work then one day the effort outweighs the benefit but it took too long to figure it out. Look at all those half finished project cars in the world! So many of us have been there.
On the flip side, that’s why these car culture stories can be so endearing, you can feel the resolve of someone who just got it right, and got a bit lucky too. Fills me with automotive hope.
I’m sorry you had a bad one, and once you clear up that fleet, maybe you’ll love the next one more. Or not, but you’ll know it a lot quicker.

Alec Harvey
Alec Harvey
2 years ago

I feel your pain, I had a E39 BMW 528i. I really liked it at the start, but by the end I just got sick of the way it burned through a litre of oil every 1000kms, all the little plastic parts in the engine bay kept breaking, every service would cost me at least $2000 with all the things that kept going wrong. I hated it by the end.

Alex Vakulich
Alex Vakulich
2 years ago
Reply to  Alec Harvey

Wow, exactly mirrors my experience with my first “nice” car that I got…. 2003 530i. I though I was out of the woods by getting the final model year of a popular model… nope. Loved the driving experience so much and even to the end I’d be amazed how no other car compared the BMW’s solid feel and buttery I-6.

But the endless leaks and malfunctions and random plastic parts crumbling during every repair and replacing parts which don’t even exist on normal cars made me realize that every time I drove it, there was a subconscious fear of “what’s next on the list to go”.

In my case the money wasn’t even the main issue since I did all the work myself… it was the prospect of yet another evening/weekend sacrificed to the god of BMW cost cutting that made me realize it was time to move on. Still felt a pang of regret watching it drive away, but it was certainly the right decision after 10 (!) years and 110K miles.

Crank Shaft
Crank Shaft
2 years ago

I feel your pain David. A big part of the reason I love your stories is because I can’t relate to them so very well. I’m sure others feel exactly the same.

In other words, you are not alone. Keep on persevering.

Paul Brogger
Paul Brogger
2 years ago

Ironies abound. My friend *gave* me his Scott”s (by John Deere) lawn tractor because (he said) he didn’t want to work on it any more. (He”d just bought a new one.)
Then he proceeds to help me drop the mower deck so he could weld its several major cracks.
(Do I owe him, like, a beer or sumpin?)

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul Brogger

How about a six of Little Sumpin’ Sumpin’ Ale.
https://lagunitas.com/beer/a-little-sumpin-sumpin/

Dave Horchak
Dave Horchak
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul Brogger

Case of beer, but help him drink it

JJT554
JJT554
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul Brogger

Oh goodness no, not one of the orange ones?

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
2 years ago

Here’s the thing though. And there is really no way around this immutable fact. This would not have happened, if your fleet wasn’t so big.

Donald Petersen
Donald Petersen
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Can we call an engine “glorious” if you’ve cracked that many heads on them? I don’t think we can. Yeah, I know, it’s mostly the cooling system’s design, not the engine itself that’s at fault. I guess.

Chris Hoffpauir
Chris Hoffpauir
2 years ago

The AMC Six is pretty much bulletproof if it’s properly cooled.

As David pointed out, the XJ was designed for an inline-four (same basic engine, minus two cylinders) or a GM-sourced V6, both of which had considerably less mass to cool than the Six. Of course, Jeep did the math and determined the existing radiator was (just) enough to do the job when they opted to install the bigger engine and didn’t bother to upgrade.

The moral of the story is to pay attention to the temp gauge and maybe consider upgrading the radiator if you live in a hot climate.

I once had a shop in El Centro, Calif., build one for me from scratch for my old Scirocco. They specialized in building upgraded radiators because the stock ones in most new cars just couldn’t’ handle the desert heat. The one in my VW worked so well that I ended up disconnecting the electric fan so I’d have a heater when I returned to Seattle.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
2 years ago

Isn’t any engine “bulletproof” after you fix its main flaw?

Tommy Helios
Tommy Helios
2 years ago

No. See also: VW Tsi/fsi engines. They have like 6 Achilles heels.

-resident VW apologist/enthusiast

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
2 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Helios

LOL

I got a Mk7 GTI with a stg2 tune that lives its life at the red line under 30+ psi of boost as my track car.

It’s at 65k miles right now on the original turbo and zero oil consumption.

The TSI is not your dad’s mk5 🙂

Tommy Helios
Tommy Helios
2 years ago

Call me when you hit 200k.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 years ago
Reply to  David Tracy

That comment reminds me of my obese neighbor talking about losing weight as she rips open another package of OREOS…Too many cars are like too many kids. Easy to hate, neglect, or abuse. CP?

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