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Remember When A Batman Movie Used A Ton Of VW Foxes?: Cold Start

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Remember the Tim Burton Batman movies? Sure you do. They were arguably the start of the modern era of superperson movies, and they incorporated all kinds of stripey, twisted-Halloween Tim Burton-esque visuals. The look and feel of everything in these movies was very highly curated to fit a specific aesthetic, which is why it’s interesting that, in 1992’s Batman Returns, almost every car in that movie was a 1987 to 1991 Volkswagen Fox.

Well, the cars were all VW Foxes with one minor alteration: they had the VW logo in the center of the grille replaced with a third headlamp, sort of like that Subaru “Cyclops Eye” setup.

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You remember that, right? I never miss an opportunity to show the Cyclops Eye:

But these weren’t Subarus, they were VW Foxes, and lots of them.

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The top image shows a whole bunch, and here’s four more, along with that fantastic Batmobile in the foreground. See the third light on the one on the left?

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I have a lot of questions about why Tim Burton chose this Brazilian-made VW to be the everycar for this movie, but I do have some theories. I think he wanted to pick a car that felt somewhat generic and not quite identifiable as a car viewers would be familiar with, hence the replacement of the VW badge for the third light, and, I think, why this sort of anonymous-looking three-box car worked for the this-isn’t-normal-reality feel Burton wanted.

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I don’t mean to malign the Fox here, by the way; sure it wasn’t the most striking-looking car, but I remember when these came out and they were pretty cool and dirt cheap. The exciting version was the two-door wagon one, which may qualify for shooting break-status?

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These were also the last new VWs to only come with a manual transmission, I think. You could get a four- or five-speed, but no auto, something remarkable to think about today. These were competing with Hyundai Excels and other low-end cars, and I remember them being pretty appealing.

My old scoutmaster actually traded in his old ’63 Beetle for a wagon one. I think it was in his Fox that I was first in a car to hit 100 mph! See, that’s how you’re a good scoutmaster, taking some kids to 100 mph in an airbag-less car on some country road. It was the ’80s, before we had “safety,” remember.

Speaking of old Beetles, there are a few other cars represented in the movie, but they’re very clearly picked for highly specific reasons. The Batmobile, of course, is practically its own character, and there’s also Catwoman’s car, which is (I think; the scenes are pretty dark) a ’67 VW Beetle.

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This car seems to have been picked to match Catwoman’s humble and quirky origins and aesthetic, and I think it’s a good choice. It also really stands out from the sea of very rectilinear Foxes.

And since I mentioned rectilinear, we may as well note that the cop cars all seem to be Dodge Aries K-Cars:

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These have a similar general, generic-car aesthetic like the Foxes, but just different enough. Having spent time in these very K-Cars in the ’80s, I can’t stress enough what shit cop cars they would have made. Slow, flimsy, unreliable – but in their favor, the rear side windows didn’t roll down, so that would help keep baddies trapped, if you remembered to set the child locks.

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Batman Returns was a delightfully odd Batman movie, I think in large part thanks to Danny DiVito’s gleefully disgusting portrayal of the Penguin, and, of course, the fact that Christopher Walken is in the movie.

There’s a part where an attempt is made to make the Penguin appealing to the general population of Gotham so he can attempt a mayorial run, and it’s pretty fantastic.

Also, there’s cameos here by Saturday Night Live and Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure Alamo tour guide Jan Hooks, along with some Apple //e computers.

Here, watch, it’s nice and ridiculous:

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The fact he never dropped that fish is what gets me.

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Banana Stand Money
Banana Stand Money
1 month ago

Hot take… Burton + Keaton’s Batman is best Batman

Channel 61
Channel 61
1 month ago

The James Bond movie “Live and Let Die” used lots and lots of 1973 Impalas.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago

I’m not surprised the VW Fox is so rare now. When I shopped for one new, one of them had a dime-sized rust bubble under the paint.

By then I’d owned several British convertibles, as well as a few 60s and 70s American cars with rotted out floorboards, so rust was a primary fear of mine.

I still love the super-utilitarian look of the VW Fox and other VW products of that era.

Aardvark775
Aardvark775
1 month ago

Gattaca has a similar odd car choice – in the near future, almost everyone drives a 70’s Rover.

Wrdtrggr
Wrdtrggr
1 month ago
Reply to  Aardvark775

That was for the police, who wanted to be a bit sinister, there were Citroen DSes too.

Matthew Rigdon
Matthew Rigdon
1 month ago
Reply to  Aardvark775

Except Uma Thurman who drives a Citroën.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago

Are there any other…mono-car films besides Batman Returns and Drowning Mona? The latter film, which came out in 2000, was soundly panned but it’s actually surprisingly entertaining; it was kind of a black comedy which starred Danny DeVito, Bette Midler, Neve Campbell, and Jamie Lee Curtis (which might partly account for such negative reception from critics since the film didn’t quite live up to all that star power; nonetheless, it’s a fun watch, especially on a rainy Saturday afternoon) and is set in a small town where everyone drives a Yugo. Yeah, seemingly virtually all the cars in the film were Yugos.
Per a comment by cieraguy on imcdb.org:
“In the beginning they had some brief text ( “Years ago, the Yugo Car Company chose Verplanck, New York, to test market its new breed of vehicle. But that’s a whole other story.”) that stated this town was used as a consumer testing site for the cars. Yugo gave everybody in town one to have. I guess this is so the company could find out how the car is before releasing it to the general public. This is all fictional of course. That means that all Yugos in this movie are from 1986″
http://imcdb.org/movie_186045-Drowning-Mona.html

Tagarito
Tagarito
1 month ago

I seem to remember vaguely of a fleet of rental cars chasing someone (that’s the vague part) with a distinct type of car that all had wiggly wheel hub caps (this I remember clearly)

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
1 month ago

So did the “Cold Start” name get dropped? I hope not and I doubt it; just curious. I love the first 2 Batmans and Michael Keaton will always be the best Batman…Jack Nicholson was an amazing Joker. I also liked Heath Ledger

Vetatur Fumare
Vetatur Fumare
1 month ago

Good bland car, must have been extremely cheap in 1992.

Cam.man67
Cam.man67
1 month ago

Speaking of the unusual police car choices, y’all ought to take a look at the new Netflix series, “Kaos”. I’m working my way through it right now, and, rather inexplicably, the police fleet of Krete appears to be mostly be made of Dodge Journeys. The car choices in many scenes have me scratching my head, but especially Journey police cruisers.

Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
1 month ago

Actually relieved to see a Torch post, and not just because I opened the tab during my morning dump. I couldn’t remember where you lived out east, but I hope it was somewhere that stayed high and dry.

Sean H
Sean H
1 month ago

In the early aughts someone occasionally ran a Fox wagon in local SCCA auto crosses that consistently got up on two wheels in the corners. Not sure how they managed to not be banned.

Scott Ashley
Scott Ashley
1 month ago

My first brand new car after college was an 87 fox. They ONLY came with a 4 speed, in subsequent years you could get a 5 speed. It was a great first new car!

JasonP
JasonP
1 month ago

It looks like they swapped the factory square sealed beams out for round ones, too.

Fasterlivingmagazine
Fasterlivingmagazine
1 month ago

Recently re-watched this movie after many years and wow they don’t make movies like they used to. Plus the Batmobile in this movie is definitely the best Batmobile hands down.

Jdoubledub
Jdoubledub
1 month ago

Fun fact I learned this weekend:

Jack Nicholson was the highest-paid actor for a single movie for his role as Joker in 1989’s Batman, earning around $90 million. Nicholson’s contract included a $6 million upfront payment and a percentage of the final box office gross and profits from Joker-related merchandise.

$90 million in late 80’s dollars is fucking insane.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

And it was the right move to get the percent on the gross, its surprising how many experienced actors who you’d think would know better still end up going for a percent of the profits

Matthew Rigdon
Matthew Rigdon
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

It’s ridiculously hard to get gross points (Hollywood accounting® is such that no movie actually makes a profit). It’s just that Warner Brothers was so desperate to get him that they had no other choice. Same with Tom Hanks on Forest Gump.

Rory Wohl
Rory Wohl
1 month ago

My very first car was a red, 1987 VW Fox 4-door with the 5-speed manual transmission, a/c, & a radio/cassette tape deck (in 1987).

I learned how to drive a manual in that car (out of necessity, since I wasn’t going anywhere in it until I figured it out).

It got me through college, my first jobs as a carpenter for various theater companies – hauling my butt across the country at least four times, and then to my first “straight” job (as a computer programmer) when I traded it in on a Mazda MX-6 in 1993.

I still get nostalgic for that time in my life whenever I see/hear a Fox mentioned.

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Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

I think it’s the same reason so many ’74 Dodge Monacos were used in The Blues Brothers, and why Roscoe P. Coltraine always drove the next generation of Monaco- they were obsolete models, sitting unsold on dealer lots, and the production company got a big volume discount. If you’re gonna wreck ’em anyway, might as well spend as little as possible.
I suppose the Fox’s sort-of Iron Curtain aesthetic, like it was designed by a kid with crayons, also feeds into Tim Burton’s weirdness.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago

A surprising number of Rumpler Tropfenwagens were used in the 1927 film Metropolis & most, if indeed not all, of them were destroyed (which is one reason I’ve yet to watch the film again after having seen it as a child when I didn’t know about the Tropfenwagen & I’m not sure I can stomach seeing the aforementioned destruction knowing what I know now, lol.)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Rumpler_Tropfenwagen.jpg
Rumpler made about 100 of those pioneering aerodynamic cars from 1921 to 1925 (testing in the 1970s showed a drag coefficient of 0.28, all the more astonishing considering the exposed wheels) and many were used as taxis because of the high roofs and ease of access but that wasn’t enough to ensure success, unfortunately. After production ended in 1925 Fritz Lang’s company procured the remaining stock (maybe 10 or so?) for use in filming Metropolis. Today only two examples are known to exist and are in museums, both of which are in Germany.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Tropfenwagen
As seen in the film Metropolis:
http://imcdb.org/i035435.jpg
and
http://imcdb.org/i035386.jpg

Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
1 month ago

Aw, man. Those are so cool.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

Indubitably so!! Hopefully the Lane Motor Museum will have a replica made like they did with several vehicles such as the Dymaxion and the 1942 Tatra V-855 Aerosled Prototype (yeah, exactly what the name says: https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/tatra-v-855-aerosled-replica-1942/) so those of us in the US don’t have to travel to Germany to see a Tropfenwagen.

Last edited 1 month ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago

Holy massive rear side windows, Batman!! Would the Fox shooting brake rear side windows qualify as the largest single flat piece of glass ever put on a mass production passenger car?

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Cybertruck windshield: hold my beer.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Ah, yeah, I’d specified cars because I was thinking there were trucks or buses with larger single flat pieces of glass and I was gonna argue that the CT is a truck then I realized that there’s indeed a good argument to be made for the CT being just a luxobarge *car* and not a bona fide truck, ha.

Last edited 1 month ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Point taken. I was going to suggest the first gen Barracuda rear window, but that was curved. I miss big glass.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Yeah, that’s actually why I specified “flat,” I remembered the first gen Barracuda’s massive rear window. Seems like quite a few cars in addition to the Barracuda have had some pretty big curved pieces of glass, like the Lancia Stratos’s windshield (which was apparently actually cut from a cylinder so as to minimize distortion.) Yeah, unfortunately big greenhouses are a thing of the past now due to safety concerns (a good thing but still!! Hopefully MSE will progress to the point we can have big greenhouses that can meet crash safety requirements.)

Baja_Engineer
Baja_Engineer
1 month ago

I think the dustbuster vans’ front windshield would have the Fox’s beaten as well. Maybe the side windows too.

Davidsaur
Davidsaur
1 month ago

Volvo wagon of the same era? Not sure which is bigger, but they are both huge.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  SonOfLP500

Oh wow, haven’t ever seen one of those, pretty cool!! Alas, us ‘Muricans never got the Mk 1/Mk 2 Escorts from Europe.
Wonder what the exact dimensions for the Ford Escort estate and the Fox shooting brake (and others) are, seems like a job for an Autopian writer who would have access to such resources including detailed schematics with dimensions and all, not always readily accessible to plebeians who only have moribund search engines like Google.

SonOfLP500
SonOfLP500
1 month ago

They were the transport system for our family of six until my siblings and I started to leave home. In a less safety-conscious age, the load area got good use.
The Mk.2 estate body was carried over from the Mk.1 with the front end only updated. Maybe Ford get the prize for length, VW for surface area?

ExAutoJourno
ExAutoJourno
1 month ago

I suspect Burton used Foxes because VW had a ton of the thing lying around. They never made the best-seller list.

And with good reason. They were miserable little crates. My mother had one, and it only took her a couple of weeks to develop a strong dislike for the sedentary performance, notchy shifter, and just plain weird interior materials.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Three headlights messes with our sense of balance and proportion and defies the anthropomorphism often imparted to cars. Instead of friendly little rides, the three-eyed Foxes introduce a low-grade, omnipresent menace that reinforces Burton’s dystopian Gotham. Interesting how a tiny detail can affect (and effect) perception.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 month ago

I also thought the Fox was cool when it came out, but a co-worker’s ownership experience quickly extinguished any desire for one.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago

Ah, Scoutmasters.
Ours was fine with giving us each a shot of schnapps, and even let us shoot bottle rockets down a country road from the back of his K5 Blazer—but absolutely lost his shit and accused us of sniffing fumes from that swirly-colored plastic in a tube that you put a glob of on a straw, then blew your own fragile version 70s beach balls (we weren’t: we knew we had schnapps waiting when we made camp).
Good times

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

Super elastic bubble plastic! Yeah that stuff had a potent chemical presence, Don’t inhale while inflating! Once made a beach ball size one at the beach that took off with a gust of wind. An older jogger saw me chasing after it, intercepted it, expression of shock, and audible Eeeew as it stuck to his fingers. Good times!

AJ
AJ
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

It’s really hard for me to read your reminiscence without thinking of the SNL Scoutmaster.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  AJ

Yeah….I’ve often speculated about that. I don’t recall anything I would flag personally—but the schnapps were a bit much even for the 70s.

AJ
AJ
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

Glad you emerged safely. Here’s hoping there was nothing more to it.

Musicman27
Musicman27
1 month ago

I wish I could hold a taco like that in public. 🙁

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Back when I was in high school when the vw fox was new I was a fan of the shooting brake version.

Bob the Hobo
Bob the Hobo
1 month ago

I’m curious why they went through the effort to give all of them a third headlight instead of simply covering/replacing the badge with something else. I’m also curious if any of these triclops VWs got sold off to the public as-is.

Trust Doesn't Rust
Trust Doesn't Rust
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob the Hobo

The dude also made a movie about a guy with scissors for hands. I don’t think any further analysis is necessary.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Yeah right? Nailed it.

Beer-light Guidance
Beer-light Guidance
1 month ago

I remember that movie! I’m pretty sure it was called “The Bus That Couldn’t Slow Down.”

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob the Hobo

Because he wanted them to look weird, a different badge wouldn’t be weird, it would just make them look as if they were being prepped for a car insurance commercial

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