Good morning! On today’s Shitbox Showdown, we’re venturing into the sometimes dangerous waters of project cars. But I’ve specifically chosen two cars that don’t need any mechanical attention, just cosmetic restoration. You can drive them as you fix them up, and let everyone at the local cruise night see your progress.
As was pointed out in the comments, yesterday’s matchup was at the same time fair, and very lopsided. On paper, the two cars look similar, but the devil, as always, is in the details. The Mitsubishi is cool but potentially ruined, and the Scion just seems like a good deal. It cruised to an absolute blowout win.
As for me, IÂ want to prefer the Expo LRV, but that particular one just has too many question marks. If I were actually cross-shopping these, I’d have to look at the LRV, just to see what condition it’s really in, but I have a feeling I’d wind up with the Scion.
Now, as our fearless leader David once pointed out, the most important thing you can do to a project car is to get it running. This transforms it from a car-shaped to-do list into an actual car, and doing it right away is better for the car, and for your sanity.
Or you could shop for a car that already runs and drives well, like these two. You can enjoy it from day one, and when the time comes, you can drive it to the paint shop, or to an upholsterer to get the interior redone. Better make sure it runs really well if you want the famous “Tijuana” interior, though – it’s a long way to the shop if you want a tuck-and-roll. Let’s check them out.
1963 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 – $5,000
Engine/drivetrain: 394 cubic inch overhead valve V8, three-speed automatic, RWD
Location: San Clemente, CA
Odometer reading: 125,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
You hear a lot of talk these days about how big cars are getting. Ever-increasing safety regulations are pushing the exterior dimensions of cars outward, to make room for airbags and safety cages and crumple zones. And it’s a good thing, I suppose. I mean, cars used to be just as big as they are now – but without all that silly life-saving stuff. Feast your eyes on the behemoth that is the 1963 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 two-door hardtop.
The beating heart of this monster is a 394 cubic inch “Sky Rocket” V8, backed by a three-speed “Roto-Hydramatic” transmission. The engine was rebuilt several years ago, and runs like a top. It has a newer Edelbrock four-barrel carb and aluminum radiator, and the front end was redone at the same time as the engine overhaul. It has current tags, and it sounds like it’s ready to hit the road.
Inside, it’s all original, and not terrible, actually. The front seat needs reupholstery, and the dash has some cracks, but otherwise it’s not bad at all. One thing I don’t see are seat belts; they weren’t required by law until 1968, so this car may never have had them. But you’d be mad not to install some.
The exterior is where it needs the most work. It’s a California car, so it’s not rusted through, but the surface has been sandblasted and sun-scorched into oblivion. It looks like the trim is all there, and the chrome bumpers look all right. It looks kinda cool as is, actually, but a paint job would do wonders for it.
1964 Ford Fairlane 500 – $2,900
Engine/drivetrain: 260 cubic inch overhead valve V8, two-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Mesa, AZ
Odometer reading: 54,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
The Fairlane started out as a trim level of the full-size Ford cars, but by 1964 it was its own model, smaller than the full-size Galaxie but considerably larger than the compact Falcon introduced a couple years earlier. The 500 was the fancy Fairlane; it basically had more chrome stuff on the sides.
The standard engine in the Fairlane was an inline six, but a couple of V8 engines were offered. This is the smaller 260 V8, with a two-speed “Ford-O-Matic” transmission. Yep –Â two speeds. It’s not high-performance, or efficient, but these old simple automatics are pretty durable. This car runs and drives well, the seller says, but they don’t elaborate. I do see a new carb, fuel lines, fuel pump, and water pump, and somebody painted the valve covers, probably after pulling them to replace the gaskets.
The inside is toast, unfortunately, but there’s something about it I find sort of charming. It looks like the car that a grizzled, down-on-his-luck private investigator drives in a movie, rolling along desert highways on his way to track down a witness somewhere, probably with Johnny Cash playing in the background. Strictly on the soundtrack, though; there’s no radio in this car.
Outside, it has what I guess you could call “patina.” The paint is essentially gone, but most of the trim is intact. One of the signature “bullet” taillights appears to be missing, which is a bummer. It also needs new tires, according to the seller, and personally I’d get rid of those ’70s Maverick hubcaps.
Neither of these cars is really “worth” restoring, if you’re in it for monetary gain. They’re both ordinary cars, just like hundreds of thousands of others of their kinds. But that’s also what makes them cool. Don’t fix them up for money; fix them up for the satisfaction of doing it. And you can drive them home, rather than having to rent a trailer or hire a tow truck. Which one moves you?
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
Olds all the way. This one got to $13.5k with the white over red scheme on BaT. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-oldsmobile-88/
The Olds has far more potential.
Cleaned up but otherwise untouched, it’s a neat collector car. If you wanted to do a stock car, the two doors help sell it being “fresh off the dirt track” if you only just throw on some stickers and a window net.
I’m too surburban for the lowrider scene but it’s perfect for that too: lowered, cleaned up in candy apple red and bumping “Cisco Kid” as it meanders through the streets with the relaxed confidence of a well-loved regent on parade.
The 3spd isn’t great, but at least it’s got a big 394 so it’s not as Prozac-muted gray driving as the small-block 2spd in the smushed-down Galaxie.
The Fairlane makes the same demands of the owner: Believe in the vision, but for so much less. It could rate a generic Get Smart/James Bond goon car if painted black, but why bother when there’s this Olds?
The Olds. It’s endorsed by the Starland Vocal Band.
Now try to get that song out of your head.
Now this is my kinda Showdown!
I’ll take that Olds- I miss Oldsmobile
Sky Rocket V8? Yes, please
FWIW, my parents had a 1959 Oldsmobile and a 1964 Pontiac that both came with seat belts, so I’m guessing some nimrod took them out. That’s probably why I’m voting for the Olds.
The Patina fad needs to fade away.
Let bring back the ’70s Primer finish.
It’s not like sanders and rattle cans were taken away by Covid.
I have to vote for the Olds. It would look great with some paint on.
I picked the Olds since it it’s had meaningful improvements like the aluminum radiator and doesn’t have parts missing.
Olds for me, with a 2 tone paint job. A deep metallic red for the body, with a cream top.
I took my first driver’s license test in a 65 Dynamic 88 four door. I don’t know which engine it had in it, but if you nailed the throttle from a stand-still it would just roast the poor right rear tire. I believe it only had a two-barrel carburetor. Best 0-60 time I ever got out of it was 10 seconds. And that has been my personal benchmark for a “quick” car ever since. Oh and wow, did it understeer.
The 1986 Accord LXi I bought years later was just as fast, far more efficient and handled a LOT better.
I’m going with the Ford if for no other reason than I had a 1961 Olds so I’ve had a largely similar experience and the Ford would be different.
The 1963 Olds Sky Rocket 394 in the Dynamic 88 made 330 hp and 440 lbâ‹…ft/lb of torque. If you went with a good aftermarket ECM and fuel injection, you’d keep the power and wouldn’t need high enough octane to keep a 10:1 compression ratio motor happy.
Not even a good ECM setup. the Arduino based ones are fine for daily driving.
Don’t need Holley Sniper kind of money to work better than a Rochester carb.
Gotta go with the Olds today. That 2dr hardtop looks so much better than a run of the mill Ford sedan.
That big Oldsmobile coupe is SOOOOOO much cooler than the 4-door Ford. Absolutely work a couple grand more. It’s got style for days!
I’d take the Olds any day. I learned to drive 50 years ago in my parents’ 1962 Dynamic 88 and that 394 is a torque monster. Only downside is it doesn’t have air conditioning, our ’62 was ice cold .
I came across this exact Olds on CL about a week ago, and I’ve had it open in a tab on my desktop ever since, convincing myself why I don’t have the time or space for yet another project. Imagine my surprise when I saw it on today’s showdown.
Needless to say, that’s the way I voted.
The universe is speaking to you, Steve…
It really appears that way.. I’m trying my hardest to practice this new thing I’m trying called “better judgment”- I have a 64 Polara that I just got running that I need to weld some floors into, and a couple other projects I’m finishing up, which I’ve determined are far more rational uses of available time and funds, but the siren song of a new craigslist turd is always a tempting beast..
In this case less doors means more.
Oldsmobile and its higher displacement Rocket V8 win it for me. The fact that it was a brown car is the cherry on top. I’d have it resprayed in the same color and call it a day
Cars like this are one of the great things about California – the climate in most of the state is so mild that cars last forever, and people drive them forever.
The 88 is just perfect.No, it does not ‘need’ a paint job. Maybe clear it if you really want to, but it’s fine and has lots of character. All the trim is present, which makes it look complete – the missing trim is what makes the Fairlane looks like it needs work on the exterior. I’d reupholster the front seat, add seatbelts and probably dual-circuit brakes if it hasn’t already had them added.
If the Fairlane had been a Galaxy (even more expensive), it’d be a closer call with the Olds. The Ford is all right for the price, but that Olds looks pretty good as-is.
The Ford is half the price and twice the doors, so that’s how I voted