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Should You Still Buy A 2025 Honda Civic Si In A World Where The Hyundai Elantra N Also Exists?

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The 2025 Honda Civic Si is the happy medium. It’s not too fast. It’s not too slow. It’s not too expensive, though it’s not cheap enough to get away with cutting corners. It’s new, but not so new that it’s unfamiliar. It’s manual-only, too.

The Civic Si has long been the perfect practical sports car. But as car costs and horsepower figures continue to rise, the question becomes: Can it keep up?

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Why This Car Exists

The Si traditionally sits in the middle of the Civic lineup. It’s a sport-lite model that slots in above the normal commuter car, but below the 315-horsepower Type R hot hatch.

The Si nameplate launched in 1986 as a sportier version of the Civic with 91 horsepower, and “Si” stood for “Sport Injection” — originally marketing the fact that the 1986 model was the first Civic with a fuel-injected engine.

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Today, the Civic Si has 200 horsepower, 192 pound-feet of torque, front-wheel drive, a turbocharger, and a six-speed manual as its only transmission option. And just like the original Si, that power comes from a 1.5-liter, four-cylinder engine.

Honda’s sold about 30 million Civics globally since the car debuted. But the masses aren’t running out to buy a manual-only Civic, especially in America. I like to think the Si and Type R still serve a valiant purpose: to give normal car buyers a reason to think the Civic is fun in every trim, because it is.

2025 Honda Civic Si: The Basics

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  • Price: $30,250 (base) $31,800 (as tested)
  • Engine: Turbocharged 1.5-liter, four-cylinder
  • Transmission: Six-speed manual 
  • Drivetrain: Front-wheel drive (FWD)
  • Power: 200 horsepower, 192 pound-feet of torque 
  • Fuel Economy: 37 highway, 27 city, 31 combined (EPA)
  • Body Style: Four-door, five-seat sedan

What It Looks Like

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Every day, I ask myself: On the Si and Type R, do I like the 10th- or 11th-generation Civic styling better? Every day, my answer is different.

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The 10th-gen Civic looked like a Battle Bot. It was covered in sharp angles, like the embodiment of a 12-year-old’s dream car. A lot of people didn’t like it, but I did — especially on the Type R.

The 11th-generation Civic is much more mature. It looks like an adult’s car, with softer angles and a less garish nature.

Both cars are equally cool to me, because they give people freedom to choose the body style that fits their personality. My personality is simply: “I can’t choose a favorite.”

What About The Inside?

2025 Honda Civic Si 5

The Civic Si’s interior isn’t revolutionary, but it is tastefully sporty. It’s almost all black, dotted with red accents: the dashboard trim, contrast stitching, shift-knob accents, cloth weaves, and Si logos. There’s a bit of piano black — a material that collects grease, scratches, and dust like there’s a gold medal on the line — but there’s no piano black on one of the highest-touch areas in the car: around the shifter and cup holders.

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Instead, Honda used a classy silver-colored material with an etched herringbone pattern in that area. It’s one of my favorite piano-black substitutes, because it’s busy enough to conceal the dirt and imperfections that piano black highlights, but not so busy that it’s tacky.

2025 Honda Civic Si 3But much of the Si’s interior is cloth, and I worry about how porous it is. It’s loosely stitched, and it collects dust more easily as a result. When the 2025 Si launched, I drove a car with under 500 miles on the odometer, and it had a massive dusty spot on the center-console cover. I did my best to dust it out, but didn’t get all of it.

The cloth front seats are comfortable, but because they have flat headrests (which is common in trackable cars, because they work well with helmets), I find myself leaning my head forward to compensate. That’s never a cute or ergonomic pose to hit, and I worry about my posture in the Si because of it.

The back seat is workable, even if not glamorous. There are no air vents back there, but at 5-foot-8, I at least have a few inches of legroom.

How It Drives

2025 Honda Civic Si 6

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Mechanically, the 2025 Civic Si has a lot of similarities to the 2024. One of those similarities is the standard helical limited-slip differential for the driven front wheels. A limited-slip diff means if one front wheel has less traction than the other, the Si won’t just funnel tons of torque at it, like a lot of cars will — instead, it’ll send torque to the wheel with more traction until the other regains it. That limits slippage.

But there are some tweaks for 2025, because each new Civic Si is a minor evolution of itself. Those tweaks include: the rev-match system expanding to cover downshifts from second gear to first; updated safety tech that can better sense bikes; smoother inputs from the car while using adaptive cruise control and lane-keep assist; standard heated front seats and USB-C ports; new Google built-in with a three-year unlimited data plan; a standard 10.2-inch digital driver-instrument cluster; the shift-indicator lights from the Type R; more rigidity in the suspension, subframe, and doors; and “retuned suspension dampers take advantage of increased body stiffness.”

I believe when automakers make minor drivability tweaks like those, it’s almost impossible to notice how much better they are — or aren’t — unless you’re driving the old car back-to-back with the new one. I didn’t get to do that with the Si.

But generally, tweaks like those make the overall package that much nicer to drive. And if you’re buying a brand-new car anyway, you might as well benefit from those tweaks.

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Each time I drive the Si and Type R, the experience feels familiar yet novel. The cars don’t change much, but the novelty comes from the fact that both cars remind me how practical, accessible, and fun performance can be.

The 2025 Si is all of those things. It’s not so fast that you soar past the speed limit immediately; it takes about 6.5 seconds to get from 0 to 60 mph, letting you enjoy each shift and digit change on the way up to speed. The shifter throw is light and velvety, popping into each gear with a teeny thunk, and the car floats into first gear so easily that it would be hard to stall. If you like automated rev-matching, the Si’s system is so smooth that you can climb up and down gears like a chauffeur.

The beauty of an Si is that it’s meant for any style of driving. The suspension is stiff enough to be fun on backroads without being punishing in the city, meaning the Si is almost as enjoyable (and comfortable) to drive in town as it is on a twisty rural road. The steering is weighted and responsive, gliding into each corner while not being overly twitchy for a daily driver. It has a little understeer in tight corners, but that’s to be expected from a front-wheel-drive car.

The new shift-indicator lights from the Type R add another layer of fun to the Si. They light up yellow and red based on RPMs to indicate when to upshift, and they make slamming the car into gear feel like a getaway scene in a movie (or like your sim-racing rig at home). The lights make you anticipate each shift and feel more engaged, because you want to hit the next gear at just the right time.

The only thing that’s missing in the Si is a physical handbrake, because Honda loves electronic ones now. But everything else in the Si is so fun, I can forgive that.

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Does the 2025 Honda Civic Si Fulfill Its Purpose?

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The Honda Civic Si has long been the bargain practical performance car. But in 2025, my biggest question is how much of a bargain it still is.

When I drove the last-generation Si in 2020, it had 205 horsepower and started at $25,200. When the 2025 Si debuted, it had 200 horsepower and started at $29,950. The price is up $5,000 in five years, which is slightly under the inflation rate.

At its debut in 2024, the 2025 Si was still a “sub-$30,000” car. That number was always a technicality, since there was also a $1,000 destination and handling fee. But when the 2025 calendar year rolled around, the base price went to $30,250 — meaning even our technicality is no more. The Si is now more than $30,000.

In isolation, I think that’s a fair price. But the snag comes in the Hyundai Elantra N: a young, 276-horsepower Type R competitor with a $34,250 base price. (I’ll embed a review of that car below.) In performance-per-dollar, the Elantra N is the better deal than either the Si or Type R. The Si’s price is creeping too close to the Elantra N to have 76 fewer horses, and the Type R’s MSRP is so high now ($45,895) that it’s in a different price bracket.

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That doesn’t mean the Elantra N is for everyone. The Si and Type R are stunning cars, they’re great to drive, and they’re still good deals. The Hondas also have a long history of brand loyalty, and plenty of buyers feel more comfortable going with a model that’s been tried and tested over one that’s newer to the market.

To me, the decision comes down to whether you’re bargain shopping and where your brand allegiances lie. I’ve met plenty of car enthusiasts who always have been, and always will be, Honda people. And they’ll love the new Si. But I’ve also met plenty of car enthusiasts who have said: “You know what? The Elantra’s price is too good not to try it.”

The 2025 Civic Si is a great practical performance car, and it always will be. These days, it just has a fire-breathing Hyundai in its mirrors — and a little competition is never a bad thing.

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Andrew Pappas
Andrew Pappas
25 days ago

I’d go Jetta GLI. I know, reliability and maintenance costs… But it’s more powerful on regular gas. Honda’s 1.5 hasn’t been problem free either…

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
28 days ago

Driving a Hyundai or Kia these days is volunteering to play the ‘Where’s My Car?’ game.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
25 days ago
Reply to  Alanis King

Alarms are so commonly ignored insurance companies stopped discounting.
The problem with Kia /Hyundai is the carjackers are too stupid to care there are cars with improved anti theft, and will still destroy a car trying.
My last GM was stolen before I had it titled.
Had to repair the world’s worst steering column and then add a Steadfast armored column with a medeco cylinder.
I did get the dealer tech that helped me a profitable side gig fixing recovered cars.

TooBusyToNotice
TooBusyToNotice
29 days ago

The Si is about 40 hp shy of being the nearly perfect sporty daily 4 door. Its unacceptable to me that they’ve raised the horsepower by about 10 hp in… 12 years? 15? I’d have to go check generation years. The Elantra N is the best of the 3 considering the price and if driving the car close to every day is part of the plan.

Last edited 29 days ago by TooBusyToNotice
Hgrunt
Hgrunt
30 days ago

I’ve thought about this long and hard in case the possibility of me having to make this decision ever comes up. Since I haven’t driven either car, I still don’t have an answer

Hgrunt
Hgrunt
24 days ago
Reply to  Alanis King

There’s so much to like about both of them!

The EN is an insane performance value and most similar to my daily driver (07 Mazdaspeed3) while the Si is extremely practical, very well-rounded and easy on fuel while being fun and sporty

Scott
Scott
30 days ago

Thanks for the quick update on the 2025 Honda Civic Si Alanis. 🙂

I’ve always had a soft spot for the Si in the Civic lineup because the R is too extroverted (for me) and of course, I dig the must-row-your-own-no-matter-what ethos of the Si. However, $30K is a bit much, considering alternatives, including lightly-used off-lease things that punch in a higher weight range.

I guess the deal breaker is the fact that all Civics use that 1.5 turbo and having driven it (in regular Civic guise) I’m not into it, even if it didn’t have a known oil consumption issue (which I can’t help but think might impact longevity). But then again, I’m an oddball who actually liked that brief period Honda put a bigger (2.4 liter was it?) engine in the S2000, so you can’t go by what I think or feel.

PS: I also agree about the seat fabric… it doesn’t seem like it’ll look alright should you still be driving the car in 20 years, and that’s irksome when apparent on day one.

MikeInTheWoods
MikeInTheWoods
30 days ago

We bought my wife a 2022 Civic Si. It’s nearly perfect for us. I took it up a mountain road at 2.5x the speed limit, but have also hyper-miled back home from that drive and hit 48.9mpg on the way back. It’s now done autocross and will have it’s first HPDE track day this summer. It’s also the daily commuter and works just fine for that as well. I only wish it had a handbrake, for skids. With the knobs for climate and volume, it’s what we wanted and manual only too. We like it better than the MK7 GTI we had. Which is a bit of a surprise in a pleasant way. I prefer the 2022 for the analog speedo instead of the full-fake cluster.

MikeInTheWoods
MikeInTheWoods
19 days ago
Reply to  Alanis King

The car is living its best life for sure. Also, anyone who owns a manual should teach at least 2+ kids to drive manual. I’ve taught my two boys, plus at least 4 of their friends. How else are we going to #savethemanuals? A few of them went out and bought manual cars (not CUV! Yay.).

Grayvee280
Grayvee280
30 days ago

I test drove an N before landing in a CTR and my wife drives a civic touring with the 1.5. The interior fit and finish is not even in the same zip code. the N is a fine car for the price, but the interior and shifter of the civic is fantastic. The road manners of the new Civic bring back my old ass recollections of late 80s early 90s Honda Glory.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
30 days ago

This isn’t a question of which is better, this is a question of do you want a Hyundai or a Honda.

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
30 days ago

I quite like the new generation of Civics, but I’m just not a sedan guy. The only sedan I’ve ever owned was a hell of a lot more fun than this car (04 STi) and even then, I got rid of it after 4 years and replaced it with a WRX wagon. I just like the looks and practicality of a hatch/wagon so much more. If this was available as a hatch, I’d strongly consider it as my next car. There’s nothing quite like a Honda manual gearbox imo. I absolutely loved the EP3 Si I had for a short while before I flipped it about a decade ago. (not flipped as in wrecked, flipped as in bought out of wholesale and resold)

Dingus
Dingus
30 days ago
Reply to  AircooleDrew

I love sedans and I think they certainly have their place. However, in this case, it seems like the segment would be better served by a 2-door hatch or at least a 4-door hatch. I don’t understand why you can get a Subaru Impreza as a hatch, but not a WRX hatch. You can get a Civic hatch, but not a Si or Type R as a hatch, same thing now that they killed off the Veloster N.

I don’t get it, the whole approach seems so incongruent. Make a fast car, give it a dowdy costume because people who want a fast car are the most practical people? I mean, sure, make a fast sedan, but just don’t exclude a coupe.

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
30 days ago
Reply to  Dingus

Beautifully put. The lack of hatch option for the WRX has never and will never make sense to me. Subaru, as a “lifestyle brand” is allegedly all about practicality, and yet they sell the WRX (the poster child of fun cars for the mountain biking and skiing people of the world) as only a sedan. If they wanted to stick to a single body-style, why not purely hatch?

I currently daily drive a ’23 Crosstrek Sport, and that is ONLY because I couldn’t get a new WRX hatch. Oh well..

Too WRXy
Too WRXy
30 days ago
Reply to  AircooleDrew

The story I’ve heard from the WRX community is that Toyota was only willing to fund development of one bodystyle and Subaru of America wanted a hatch but Subaru of Japan wanted a sedan

Grayvee280
Grayvee280
30 days ago
Reply to  Dingus

totally agree, I passed on a SI for that exact reason. Great news for you though, The FL5 Type R is only available as a hatchback. the Si used to be only sedan but the new one is available in the hatchback. Its a low swoop so it gives sedan vibes, but you can load 6+ foot lumber in it. The looks I get at Home depot in my R are fantastic!

Last edited 30 days ago by Grayvee280
No More Crossovers
No More Crossovers
30 days ago

Savagegeese had a really good video comparing it with the GLI and the various ups and downs before they agreed “Man I wish the elantra N just looked better”

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
30 days ago

The refreshed one is a big improvement but it’s still wonky looking

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
30 days ago

No reason to buy either one as long as the GTI/GLI still exist, IMHO. Why buy a copy when you can still get the original? I have never, ever been a Honda person, and the likelihood of my ever buying a Hyundai is about on par with my joining the priesthood.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
30 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I’ve owned a couple of GTIs over the years and loved them both. The problem is the dashboard and lack of buttons on the latest gen. It’s awful IMHO, even with the lame addition of some more buttons. VW went too far. They always had great cockpits but no longer

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
30 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

Oh, I completely agree. But the Civic and Elantra are not significantly better. All modern cars suck at this, IMHO. I’ll still take VW dynamics over the others.

Hgrunt
Hgrunt
30 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

It depends on what you’re going for, and the driving feel you prefer

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
29 days ago
Reply to  Hgrunt

I prefer cars that drive properly.

Ron Densmore
Ron Densmore
29 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Because the original, as it stands today, is dull as shit to drive.

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
29 days ago
Reply to  Ron Densmore

I think you misspelled *superb*.

TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
1 month ago

Even with the slow death of cars/sedans/wagons, we still have some pretty sweet performance sedans available. I love small/tiny sports cars that are also still practical and at decent prices. I have the same size car now, I absolutely adore my ’21 M235i but I was quite tempted (while shopping) to get a new Elantra N (or an off lease Stinger GT2/ G70).

It’s a strange time where we have some of the best cars ever (like these) but it’s also a dark timeline of blobby, look-alike SUVs in grayscale colors.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
1 month ago

10th gen was better because you could still get it as a coupe. 🙂
By biggest gripe with the 10th gen was mostly my fault. I heard the infotainment was Android and could be unlocked and rooted so of course I had to do it. Only to discover it was an ancient version of Android running on even more ancient, barely compatible hardware and nothing good would run on it.
So I traded it for a Miata.

Jsloden
Jsloden
1 month ago

Yes, because in the end you’re still buying a hyundai. The civic will still be on the road when the elantra will have long been in the junkyard.

No More Crossovers
No More Crossovers
30 days ago
Reply to  Jsloden

At least the elantra can outrun a civic hybrid 😉

I’m trying
I’m trying
1 month ago

If anyone cares, there is no way to turn off the adaptive part of the cruise control.

For me this makes the civic nearly
Un-driveable on the interstate.

We bought a 24 sport hatch with the na engine and manual transmission. And realizing on the first road trip that the car brakes for you when in cruise was the largest disappointment I’ve experienced in 25 years of owning and driving cars.

TurboFarts
TurboFarts
1 month ago
Reply to  I’m trying

I’d be willing to die on that hill with you.

However, I found a million videos as well as directions in the manual that allow you to disable ACC (adaptive cruise control) in less than 30 seconds.

Weeguy
Weeguy
1 month ago
Reply to  TurboFarts

Correct – When cruise is not enabled just push and hold the button for ACC following distance (3 bars stacked on top of each other). The car will switch between ACC mode and standard Cruise mode. Easy peasy!

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
30 days ago
Reply to  Weeguy

OH! I wonder if this applies to my Ridgeline. I hate the ACC

Cruise-O-Matic
Cruise-O-Matic
30 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

It should. I can disable ACC on my ’23.

Grayvee280
Grayvee280
30 days ago
Reply to  Weeguy

totally agree, t first thing I did on my 23′ was disable the ACC. horrible invention!

I’m trying
I’m trying
30 days ago
Reply to  TurboFarts

Look. I’ve got no excuse. I called Honda tech support, my dealer, and had my wife read the user manual. And then promptly forgot about it since it’s her car. But they all said there was no way to disable it. YouTube this morning and you’re right it can be disabled.

Carryon these civics are wonderful cars.

Horsew/Noname
Horsew/Noname
30 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

we have the ACC in our CR-V and i find it to be very helpful in stop-and-go around NYC. with my eyes ahead, the nanny set to the shortest threshold, and a foot feathering the gas (thus cancelling the auto-cruise), i find the ACC struggles to intervene. like any system, you learn how it behaves, then you can modulate your inputs to get the output you want. not a hot take, just different strokes, i guess.

I’m trying
I’m trying
30 days ago
Reply to  Horsew/Noname

As the car slammed on the brakes shedding 15mph just as I was pulling out to pass a car for the fifth time and finding myself in 6th gear at 1500rpms with an 18 wheeler now literally inches from my rear bumper. I thought “this probably wouldn’t be so bad or dangerous if we’d just bought the cvt. Or the type-r”. Now that I know it can be turned off I’m looking forward to putting some more breakin miles on it. I’m sure it would work well in stop and go rush hour traffic. That just isn’t our use case.

Younork
Younork
30 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

While others have pointed out that you can disable adaptive cruise on the Civic, your premise still stands. Adaptive cruise on any divided highway is extremely frustrating, and for that reason I will not purchase a vehicle where it cannot be disabled. I had a loaner Dodge Hornet when I was getting body work done, and as far as I could figure out, there was no way to disable adaptive cruise. I mentioned it here in a post a few months ago how annoying I found it, and everyone disagreed with me, I’m glad there’s others who dislike this feature.

Space
Space
29 days ago
Reply to  I’m trying

I care, and I hate when they do that.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
1 month ago

I would go Civic SI just because I have tried to cram my gigantic ass into the Elantra N seats and it didn’t go so well.

As far as reliability goes, I am a bit nervous about the Honda 1.5t. I know the issues are more prevalent in the CRV, but it still makes me nervous.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

The Elantra N seats are god awful. I’m fairly normal sized…er, normal American sized I guess. I’m about 5’10, 200ish with a bit of a dad bod, so nothing out of the ordinary. I was literally sore after a half hour test drive.

I was so uncomfortable that I was looking to see what other Hyundai seats swapped into it online. I wound up buying a Kona N instead and the seats are fantastic. The same seats were also used in early Veloster Ns as well, for what it’s worth. Maybe if you find the Ns intriguing you can track down one of either to test drive.

Or hell…if you find yourself in the DC area I’ll toss you the keys to mine and tell you where the less patrolled roads are.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
30 days ago

Thanks for the kind offer!

I am abnormally sized 6′ 3″, built like an offensive lineman that took naps after eating, and relatively short legs.

I had no trouble fitting in a 2019 Civic Si. Getting in and out were tough, but once in the car I was good. Not sure about the latest generation because they are over $40k CAD, so why even try?

Cerberus
Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

If it’s the side bolsters, you can cut them down. I don’t have a gigantic ass and I still find the damn seat bottoms of most cars to suck. It’s like they size them for kids (and the seats for kids are large enough to serve as ejector seats on a scramjet), so I’ve taken the covers off the seats in my last few cars and chopped 1/2 or so of the side bolsters out. Leaving the outsides of the bolsters allows the cover to still hold its shape. My GR86 required me to cut some metal loops that reinforced the foam, but bolt cutters and a file took care of that. Seats today are ridiculous—even the stupid rental Equinox I just turned in had these stupid side bolsters as if it’s capable of enough lateral gs to need them, never mind that nobody would drive it like that. All the dumbass BS they stuff into cars and they can’t do something so simple as make a comfortable damn seat? I don’t recall this being a problem a few decades ago, so they at least used to know how to do it.

Mpphoto
Mpphoto
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I thought I was the only one having this problem. I’ve sat in about 100 cars over the last 2 years at the Chicago Auto Show. Almost every vehicle’s seat has bolsters on the seat bottom that dig into my hips. I’m 6′ tall and 230 pounds, so I’m big but not huge. I don’t know why I’m having such a hard time finding cars with comfortable seats that aren’t giant trucks or SUVs. My compact car from 2007 has roomy comfortable seats, so it’s possible for small cars to have comfy seats.

I don’t need hip/thigh support. I’m not trying to go 100mph around a corner. Comfort should take precedence over support. The amount of time I need comfort while driving far outweighs the amount of time I’ll need support while engaging in aggressive cornering. I wonder how people bigger than me tolerate these overly sporty seats. It takes at least 5 minutes for me to no longer notice the seat bolstering digging into my hips.

Cerberus
Cerberus
30 days ago
Reply to  Mpphoto

My Focus ST was the worst in that it had both the constrictive side bolsters and a terrible angle for the seat which could not be lowered enough to reduce the pressure on the undersides of my thighs. Cut at least 1/2 the side bolster foam out and added an inch of padding to the rear of the cushion and that made it OK, but I haven’t sat in an outstanding seat in a car from this millennium. Prior to that, I never really had to think about it. Even my early ’80s Subaru GLs with seats that weighed about 10 pounds were good for about 4-5 hours. Now, I hit 1.5 and start to feel it. I drove cross country in just over 2 days of straight driving in my mk1 Legacy without a single part of my body sore from it and I didn’t think there wasn’t anything particularly special about those seats at the time (though they weren’t all equal as the ones I had in the early pseudo-velour were better than the cloth ones in the turbos and the leather version).

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
30 days ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Wait!.. So you’re worried about Honda’s engine reliability, but not about the company that has had every single generation of 4cylinder engines in the last few decades recalled after class-action lawsuits, to the tune of millions of cars worldwide??

Nowadays getting replacement engines at Hyundai dealers are as routine as oil changes, even with their “1 quart of oil per 1000miles is perfectly normal” standard.

I’d have no problem buying one of Hyundai/Kia’s new EVs, but they’ve never learned how to make decent gasoline engine.

Last edited 30 days ago by SarlaccRoadster
Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
30 days ago

Never said I wasn’t worried about the Hyundai. That said, the 2.0T in my Sonata seems to have thus far avoided (knocks on wood until knuckles bleed) the BIG issues.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
29 days ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

I know someone who had a Kia Optima with the 2.0T and ran it for over a decade/100k miles and never had problems. Did the maintenance by the book.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
29 days ago
Reply to  Vic Vinegar

I am going to up the maintenance I think. Last oil chainge the oil reeked of gas. A shorter interval is relatively cheap insurance.

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