It feels like I’m getting asked about the Slate Auto EV every few hours as people seem desperate to know what to think. For such a simple-looking truck, the emotions and questions around its existence are unusually complex. That’s reasonable. This truck is being sold as a repudiation of modern cars, which it is. More importantly, it’s a wholesale rethinking of modern carmaking. That it looks cool is just a bonus.
I wanted to start The Morning Dump on a high note. I want to be excited about things. So much car news has been depressing lately, even though there’s plenty to look forward to.


In other news Chinese automaker BYD’s net income was higher last quarter, which is good news for them. Do you want that good news to be more American? Sure, fine, Foxconn says it’ll start building electric cars for someone in Ohio as early as next year.
Tariffs remain the supermassive black hole around which the universe currently spins, and putting a positive spin on that is a challenge. Here’s one: Japan can maybe get its tariffs removed if it can convince the President of the United States that it isn’t dropping bowling balls on American cars to disqualify them, which it isn’t doing.
How The Slate Auto EV Is Built Is The Most Interesting Thing About The Slate Auto EV

If you were somehow sequestered from the web for the last few weeks, perhaps exploring the Tonga Trench in your personal submersible, then you’ve missed all the excitement around the Slate Auto EV truck/SUV. The TL/DR is that a Bezos-backed company is going to build a Sub-$20,000 (with current incentives) EV truck that you can turn into an SUV yourself, has no paint, comes with crank windows, and offers rear airbags you can install yourself.
Just here, we’ve written about the engineering, the powerplant, the fun wraps, and the whole concept of a DIY car. All of that’s important, and it all seems designed to get people to talk about it so that they, eventually, plunk down $50 to maybe buy one at some point in the future. I put in my own $50, as much out of curiosity as sincere intent to purchase.
I think all the hype around the vehicle is deserved. This is a genuinely new idea backed by an individual who can afford to see it through the difficult early stages. What’s most fascinating to me, though, isn’t what it is but how it might actually come to exist.
The car didn’t become the car, really, until it could be mass-produced. The Model T was far from the first automobile, but people think of it as the first and most important vehicle because of Henry Ford’s moving assembly line. The same could be said of the Toyota Corolla and the Toyota Production System, which allowed the Japanese automaker to expand rapidly and efficiently to compete with more established automakers.
More recently, “gigacasting” became an industry obsession as Tesla went from making Roadsters essentially by hand to building massive production facilities that produce enough Model Ys to replace the Corolla as the most popular car in the world. Gigacasting and Gigafactories became key, with giant casts reducing the number of parts required to make a car.
It’s a very Musk-ian view of production, relying on a huge sci-fi scale to achieve corporate dominance. The Bezos-backed Slate Auto has a completely inverted concept. For all the talk of how electric cars are simpler and require less complex drivetrains, the actual electric cars you can buy are enormously complex and expensive. They’re also all produced in factories that look a lot like existing car factories.
Slate Auto’s first plant doesn’t sound anything like a modern car factory. Right off the bat, there’s no paint. Just last year, Toyota invested $922 million to build a new paint shop at its Kentucky plant. Painting cars is one of the hardest parts of making a modern car, and Slate Auto has entirely done away with it.
How? The body panels are dent- and scratch-resistant injection molded polypropylene composite material. Basically, it’s plastic, just like the old Saturns. If you want color on your truck, you can just wrap it, or Slate Auto can wrap it for you. This is theoretically way simpler.
It’s way more than that, though, and Tim Stevens writing for The Verge captures a lot of what’s interesting to me here:
Vehicle factories tend to have high ceilings to make room for the multiple-story stamping machines that form metal body parts. Injection molding of plastic is far easier and cheaper to do in limited spaces — spaces like the factory that Slate has purchased for its manufacturing, reportedly near Indiana. “The vehicle is designed, engineered, and manufactured in the US, with the majority of our supply chain based in the US,” Snyder says.
The simplification goes simpler still. Slate will make just one vehicle, in just one trim, in just one color, with everything from bigger battery packs to SUV upgrade kits added on later.
“Because we only produce one vehicle in the factory with zero options, we’ve moved all of the complexity out of the factory,” Snyder says.
Making cars is hard and expensive. At least it is if you make it the old-fashioned way. At one point last year, Rivian lost $39,130 for every car it sold, which seems bad until you find out that Lucid was losing $341,604 over the same period. Both the Rivian R1S and Lucid Air are almost certainly better vehicles than the Slate Auto EV, but there’s no way to make them as cheaply.
Over at TechCrunch, Sean O’Kane has identified the likely facility in Warsaw, Indiana, likely to be used by the company:
Slate Auto, the buzzy new EV startup that broke stealth this week, is close to locking in a former printing plant located in Warsaw, Indiana as the future production site for its cheap electric truck, a review of public records shows.
The company is expected to lease the 1.4 million-square-foot facility for an undisclosed sum. Economic development officials told local media earlier this year (without naming Slate) the factory could employ up to 2,000 people, and that the county offered the undisclosed company an incentive package.
It’s probably possible to turn an old printing plant into a facility that makes modern cars, but my guess is that it would be so expensive that most automakers wouldn’t even bother. If Slate can take an existing space like this and make it work, then we could be looking at a new paradigm in carmaking.
And why stop at a truck? If this same form factor is successful, Slate Auto can find another facility and make a sedan, or a three-row SUV, or just about anything. Tesla and many other automakers are betting that anyone who can’t make a car with high processing power produced at scale with huge casts won’t survive. They may be right, but what if they’re not?
BYD Made 3x The Income Tesla Did Last Quarter

I try not to get too caught up in the horse-race aspect of modern business reporting, where one quarter’s result is extrapolated out into the future, only to be reversed three months later. It’s totally possible Tesla rights the ship and sails ahead of BYD next quarter, or that BYD is itself surprised by a Chinese rival lurking below the surface.
Every trend starts with a single data point, and at the moment, it seems like smooth sailing for BYD as Tesla flounders.
BYD Co.’s net income in the first quarter jumped to 9.15 billion yuan ($1.3 billion), overtaking Tesla Inc. on another key metric and signaling a robust start to the year for China’s no. 1 selling car brand.
Shenzhen-based BYD’s net income was higher than the 8.1 billion yuan projected by analysts. While the carmaker’s sales of 170.36 billion yuan for the three months ended March 31 were up 36% year-on-year, they fell short of analyst expectations. Tesla reported net income of $409 million for its first quarter earlier this week, much lower than what the market had been looking for.
Considering the first three months of the year are generally the slowest for Chinese automakers, with the period containing the long Lunar New Year holiday, BYD looks set for a strong 2025. Its car sales for the quarter were just shy of 1 million units, putting the Chinese behemoth well on track to achieve full-year sales of 5.5 million, including 800,000 exports.
All of these nautical metaphors are making me hungry. Would it be bad to have a shrimp cocktail for lunch?
Who Is Foxconn Building A Car for?

Most recently, Taiwanese mega-conglomerate Foxconn showed up around here as the company that almost-maybe-sort of-could have bought Nissan. Before that, Foxconn was maybe going to make cars for Fisker and trucks for Lordstown Motors in the former GM facility it purchased in Lordstown, Ohio. That didn’t quite happen, and the whole thing was a bit of a disaster. Making cars is hard!
Whereas Tesla is going big and Slate Auto is going small, Foxconn is hoping to do what it does with phones and be a source of contract manufacturing. According to this Automotive News report, Foxconn is going to be making its Model C electric crossover for… someone.
The company is rapidly refurbishing a former General Motors plant in Lordstown, Ohio, as a U.S. production hub. The plant, which has capacity for hundreds of thousands of vehicles when fully tooled, could be pumping out vehicles as early as next year.
Speaking on the sidelines of Taipei’s big mobility show this month, Jun Seki, the Nissan veteran who now runs Foxconn’s nascent electric vehicle business, said Foxconn is well on track.
The company has a U.S. client, and the customer will start selling the Model C this year, he said.
Seki declined to name the customer, keeping with Foxconn’s canon of confidentiality as a contract manufacturer. But the U.S.-spec crossover grabbing eyeballs at this month’s Taiwan 360° Mobility Mega Show foreshadows what’s in store. It has a wavy side crease, funky hood air vent, wraparound headlamps, panoramic sunroof and huge vertical infotainment screen.
I have more questions than answers on this one, unless someone wants to help me out below.
President Trump And The ‘Bowling Ball Test’
It’s not often I get to “embed the truth” on this website, but that’s what President Trump’s own social media network allows me to do. Literally, that’s what it says when you try to embed a post: it says “EMBED TRUTH.”
There’s some irony to this, as we’re entering Day 17 of the 90-day pause with none of the 90 promised trade deals in sight. Perhaps one can be worked out with Japan, as the President recently noted that “Japan’s bowling ball test” is a form of non-tariff “cheating.” Japan should be able to easily get rid of it as it doesn’t exist, though I suppose the point is to highlight what he says are Japan’s “Protective Technical Standards.”
From the Financial Times, which is on the bowling ball beat:
The US president first referred to the test in 2018. “They take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and they drop it on the hood of the car. And if the hood dents, then the car doesn’t qualify,” he said. “It’s horrible, the way we’re treated.”
On Sunday he again cited the test on his Truth Social platform as an example of “protective technical standards”.
Japan does not carry out such tests on its cars, although one carried out in the country and elsewhere does entail hitting a car with a rounded object at a speed of 35kph, to simulate an impact with a pedestrian. In the test, a dent in the bonnet typically indicates good shock absorption and a potentially less deadly impact.
Unrelated: America lags behind the rest of the world when it comes to pedestrian safety (see: the existence of the Cybertruck); perhaps we should also raise our standards?
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
My daughter had a dance recital this weekend, and she performed to Billy Joel’s “Vienna.” It was beautiful, but also bittersweet. As the song reminds you, growing up happens so fast. Maybe too fast. Don’t be in a hurry.
The Big Question
Assuming the Slate truck/SUV sells at volume around its projected price, what should Slate Auto build next?
Photo: Slate Auto
My guess is Chrysler. They need another vehicle in showrooms and the Model C looks like the much-delayed Airflow EV concept already.
This was my thought too. Just hoping they don’t call it a Dodge Journey.
I’m not even going to wish for anything else until they’re reliably producing what they’ve shown already.
… and crash tested.
A plug-and-play range extender. Something you can either buy or rent and slide right into the bed for a road trip, gas tank and all.
Agreed, but they sounded adamant about no EREV. That said, a 12kW inverter generator with the power electronics reconfigured for DC output might work.
As I mention in another article, the front end is already wired for an added motor for AWD. Between the existing wiring and the frunk, there should be space for a generator. Aftermarket will probably provide.
Electric sports car – set up a “vibe board” or whatever the hell they’re calling those these days with pictures of the Jensen Interceptor, MGB GT, and SP2. Let inspiration do its thing, but keep the result stripped down and simple with a $20K starting price.
It’s a good form factor for a low-cost, high efficiency/range commuter and grocery-getter, and calling it a “sports car” makes it a lot more fun.
I’ve skipped most of the overlapping Slate threads, I just wanted to say I love the idea and I sure hope it’s executed better than Amazon Music, Alexa, Amazon Prime, Ring…and the list goes on. If this turns into another “loss leader data collection effort” I’m going to be disappointed, but not surprised. The days of “I buy an asset and that asset now belongs to me” seem to be fading from the zeitgeist, and it’s a combination of push and pull forces (Consumers see the short-term convenience, companies see the long-term value of the relationship/data). But the concept itself is long overdue, and I’m also hopeful Bezos can use his deep pockets to help Rivian achieve some better economies of scale.
This Slate truck has me more excited than I should be. It’s actually the first time I’ve been excited about anything automotive in a couple decades
Same. Most of my cars have been 10+ years old, and getting older now as the newest thing I’ve ever had is a 2013. I never seriously considered buying anything new, but I reserved a Slate and very much hope to be able to follow through with it. I just hope they aren’t overpromising. If this thing comes to market as $35k+ (pre incentive) I will be MAD.
I also but up 50$ for a reservation. But I would wait to collect one after about 6 months after release to see if there is any major bugs. Last time I was excited for a normal car was when Cadillac showed off the CTS for the first time.
Yeah I might do the same, we’ll see how things shake out. I would love to be one of the first to get it, but companies like Fisker make me worried to even get the first year or two. I’ll need to see the warranty offered, and more details on what parts are in it to make sure I’m not stuck with a paperweight if the company doesn’t make it.
I think the exact style of the Slate vehicles is less important than the ecosystem supporting it. They should come up with an open API/source system with a modular distributed control system. Thus one could make their own instrument panel to their liking – maybe using a literal iPad, and the risk of owning a non-serviceable car (like the Fiskar Ocean today) goes way down because you can go find a maker to sort through any of the details. I do wonder if the panels are actually going to be injection molded, I think Saturn mostly used a Reaction Injection Molding Process which is better for large flat parts than injection molding, and Sheet Molding Compound processes have gotten much better in recent years years.
Just about everything about the Slate is cool except for the Bezos funding, what is he getting out of this?
Stop asking questions, Comrade. Enjoy Slate.
He already has a space company, so there’s a reasonable chance the answer is that this is a “fun money” thing. He gets potential profit and to grin at all the Slates while giving the finger to some other rich person that told him it was a bad idea.
When you can start a whole car company with your spare change, why not?
Oh, he probably also gets Amazon’s version of the LLV after seeing how expensive his electric fleet was to buy.
more Amazon sales?
Yeah, it’s almost like an AmazonBasics truck
As long as he isn’t allowed to adopt a white cat, we’ll be ok.
I mean he already has a complex in a volcano and a rocket shaped like a …
JOHNSON! Get back to work and quit talking rockets that look like a..
WOODY!. That’s the name of the cowboy on Toy Story! I couldn’t remember for a second I wonder why Bezos made a rocket shaped like a ..
SCHLONG! I swear that’s the exact sound my kid made when he ran into the gong at the Japanese restaurant. Do you know hard it is to not laugh at a crying kid after he does that? It’s almost as hard at not laughing at a rocket shaped like a
PENIS! Good Answer, Good Answer “Hold on, the question was “What is something you don’t want to find your grandma holding? and THAT came out of your mouth! What in the hell is wrong with you? Ok, Show me what he just said..”
Ding. New Shepherd 17 points
COTD!
It’s pocket change, probably a lot less than he put into Rivian. For him, founding a startup like this is probably on the scale of me taking the spouse to a nice restaurant on a whim.
A performance package with 2 motors and 0-60 in 2 secs, obvs.
My wordsmithing pet peeve:
The Wall Street Journal used to get this wrong all of the time too, so this fine website isn’t alone.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/floundering
Yes, this.
Many dictionaries classify flounder as an intransitive verb, and in noun form define flounder as a fish.
There’s a consensus floundering as a verb is synonymous with failing or struggling.
Here, upon review of online dictionaries that are not paywalled, I withdraw my snotty comment.
It is wild to confidently make a post like this without remembering dictionaries exist.
Flounder, you can’t spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You f’d up. You trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.
“What am I now?”
One of the best lines in that one.
Ooh, This article is great for my previous life at Honda.
Maybe Trump/Elon are mad that Tesla can’t sell the Cybertruck in Japan? It would slice that human head analog clean in half.
This was one reason I always thought there was no way the CT could launch with that styling and with SS at the thickness originally proposed. The ped safety concerns were just too great.
This is actually the first I’m hearing about the ped safety head impact test outside of Honda, and I wasn’t in the crash department so I never really had a firm background on where our requirements came from. I just knew we had to meet them. It makes me curious what was driven by Honda internally vs what was actually required by US standards.
It’s also hilarious coming from the head of the country with the most closed-off auto market and most non-tariff barriers to entry than almost anyone, thanks to FMVSS
This is great insight, thank you!
You’re welcome! I always appreciate your insights in TMD (including the multi-story stamping presses insight which I hadn’t considered as part of the advantage of going to plastic body panels), so it’s great to be able to contribute!
If Slate can pull all this off, I think they should make a cheap van.
There’s been a vacuum in the market ever since the Grand Caravan got discontinued and replaced by a $40k starting van.
For about a decade, the Caravan was the cheapest way to transport more than 5 people. They’re also the unofficial vehicle of basically every telecom company.
So, make a van, give it A/C and cruise control, and sell it to the masses.
This! Apropos of nothing, I saw our one local hero with an orange id.Buzz again yesterday…watching his new car being loaded on a flatbed on the side of the highway.
I don’t know what Slate Auto should build next, but I do know that at the first SEMA show after the launch there will be at least a dozen Slate with LS swaps…
Given the size, my money is on K swaps.
What’d be REALLY cool, is if someone showed up with a Range Extender in the frunk.
I think it would only take me a few mins to throw a Harbor Freight generator in the bed, but somehow I doubt that would be SEMA-worthy..
Then you can’t use the bed! Frunk is the obvious sacrifice.
Or, a hitch mounted one. Purely for the hilarity.
Isn’t ‘not using the bed’ the default for trucks? at least that’s what most of the trucks I see around me in traffic seem to be doing
No. See, this is a small truck. If all the Rangers/B-series/S10s in my area are anything to go off of, no truck gets used for more truck stuff than a small truck.
The “Old man in an overloaded S10” is basically a staple.
You’re probably right, it’s just that I don’t really see any of those mythical ‘small trucks’, like ever. Perhaps they’re all out there in the fields, but definitely not in Chicago and its ‘burbs.
More likely to see heavy duty duallys with low profile tires hauling air than a small truck.
I live in the rural fringe of my city, so there’s plenty of little runabout trucks from farmers and just old guys.
There’s also a few of 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks with terminal rust and leaking exhaust manifolds, most of em hauling scrap trailers.
Ignoring the fact that they haven’t built *anything* yet, it should be something with an engine.
What’s the recommended cylinder count?
3
My vote is none. For the Wankel shall inherit the earth.
3 also works as a number of rotors
I feel like that may be more power than needed for the platform. However, it’s hard to argue with the exhaust note of uncorked rotors.
Rotors are like Voltron. The more you hook up, the better it gets.
“more power than needed”
Please explain. I don’t understand what these words mean in this order.
There comes a point where the amount of power exceeds the chassis’ ability to apply it, or even accept it.
That is what too much power is.
That just means you need a chassis with more power as well.
I mean shit if our leadership is guiding in a direction where we just pretend that climate change doesn’t exist and where the only amount of oil consumed is 35% more than whatever we’re consuming now then sure!
I don’t care if they run it on steam, I just loves me some rotary action.
Nah, still 0, but turbine. Turbine range extender is a concept whose time is ripe.
That start-up time for short commutes is gonna be brutal.
Just leave it idling overnight! No problem at all!
And to think, the neighbours used to hate the 3″ exhaust that was on my Genesis…
Why would you need a range extender on short commutes?
I’m pretty sure V10omous was referring to a purely ICE powered variant.
However, if I was mistaken, then you need it for the sound.
Recommended is 10 but I have plenty of evidence to suggest he’ll settle for 8
Those would indeed be the numbers if they needed me as a buyer, but unlike a lot of Slate dialogue recently, I don’t make the mistake of thinking my preferences are what would sell.
Both economies of scale (assuming they are sourcing it externally rather than developing their own) and the need to be somewhat capable of doing work probably point to a 4 cyl. Maybe a bare-bones NA engine as a base, with the option of a 2.0T in an upper level model.
I feel like Slate is really geared towards fleets, so maybe next is a van in the style of a 60s Chevy G-10(with additional seating as an add on later for the safety metrics)
Keep the rear tire carrier option, give it a nice blue wrap with orange flowers and Jinkies you got yourself a winner.
“Geared to fleets” is something that most articles about Slate seem to de-emphasize. It’s a fleet vehicle that’s being pitched to consumers as fun and funky.
Right? Notice the molded-in color looks awfully close to the color Amazon paints its delivery vehicles. I think they’ll be making an awful lot of them with the straight SUV top but no rear seats and a bulkhead behind the front one for a particular fleet customer.
A small van seems like something pretty straightforward to spin off the existing truck design, and definately a logical next step
“What should Slate Auto build next?”
A good reputation, perhaps by actually building a quality product at the announced price.
Yes we need to revise our pedestrian standards bigly.
Re the remarks/posts of the Orange Imbecile.
I am so effen rich now that the tariff shit does not bother me a bit. /s
And cat food can taste great with a little help. YMMV
It almost feels like RFK’s brain worm migrated into someone’s tiny brain, laid eggs, and headed to more fertile ground within the WH shit show.
Once again, YMMV.
Not sorry for the rant. Thanks.
They should do a minor redesign and do a ute/wagon design. Then they can expand to South America and Australia.
I’d like to see Slate attempt a Nerf bodied vehicle. Barring that, I’ll be happy if the truck ever reaches production.
Just squeeze it out after it rains!
What should Slate Auto build next?
A factory.
A bit of trivia related to the first subject:
When GM closed their Boisbriand, Quebec plant, the only equipment saved was the paint shop, and 4 commercial fridges that an employee “acquired” for the local scout camp.
“Personal submersible” doesn’t officially rhyme but it sure is fun to say.
Would you settle for friendly instead of compact:
personable submersible
How about we wait to see what they build first?
Inflation creep has me concerned here.
It would be nice to see them offer “a buy it now” option very soon.
I would probably click on that now.
Just the same this thing better be effin great because word spreads fast with consumers.
Given the history of new auto manufacturers actually making it to production, I’m happy to hold on to my money for now.
Understand this, but if this somehow feels different here.
Bezos seems able to get into and pull of some big stuff at times.
Not a fan but expecting this to have an overwhelming market response when they are actually released.
Fully functional non-vaporware trucks that are available to be purchased and road legal?
Don’t forget also at the price point they announced, not a revised one that is another 50-100% higher.
lol SURPRISE our 20k truck is now a 50k truck whoopsie
If slate could use that platform to build a fun 2-seat roadster ir a Mini-styled fun car, I’d get interested.
Exactly! A four-seater with some thought to aerodynamics so that 150 range battery will go 200.