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This weekend I drove down to Charlotte in a Cybertruck (more on that soon) to check out the third annual Heritage Invitational out on by the Ten Tenths Motor Club in Charlotte, NC, and I’ll have a roundup of some of the great cars I saw there in a bit, too. Right this moment, though, I’d like to help you start your day by talking about stopping. Or, really, stop lights.

I guess we refer to these more commonly as brake lights now? Is that true? I’m not entirely sure. But for this particular collection of lights, I think stop lights are a more apt name because the reason I chose these was because they all explicitly show, in big, bold letters, the word STOP.

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At this show of about 50 to 60 cars, there were only a handful that had these sorts of stop lamps, and all were pre-war cars, because this trend pretty much entirely died out, except perhaps on school buses and other large public transport buses, by, oh, the late ’30s or so. But let’s look at some of them now!

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This one that I also used for the top shot I think is especially interesting, mostly because of the car its on: a 1911 Cadillac 30. The reason it’s interesting is that car’s other lights are all non-electric! The headlights are acetylene and the other lamps are kerosene. Here, look at the sidelamp:

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Cs Stop Kerosene

That’s a wick in there. But this stop lamp appears to be the lone electric light on the car. I think it’s a period-correct aftermarket part, too. There were some cable-operated kerosene brake lamps that operated by rotating a little metal reflector inside the lamp, but this one appears to be electric. Does it have its own dedicated battery? Does it run off the car’s magneto? I need to find out more.

I do like the elegant cut-and-frosted glass and widow’s peak design, which also looks like Mickey Mouse’s head a bit.

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This one is perhaps the most common of the STOP-reading stop/tail lamps. The type is what is usually called a Duolamp design, though there were imitators, so I’m not sure if this is “genuine” or not. It’s on an Auburn, so it’s not garbage.

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The Duolamp design was a very common taillight for all sorts of vehicles from the ’20s well into the ’30s, and the colors and designs inside those two lenses varied a lot. This version with the STOP text was not uncommon, but most had some combination of plain red and amber lenses.

I do appreciate how the letters are conformed to the kidney shape of the lens and feel a little whimsical, almost Art Nouveau.

Cs Stop Auburn

Here’s another taillamp from an Auburn, this one from a 1931 Auburn 8-98A. It’s an interesting one, and seems to be a simplification of the Duolamp design, as it retains two separate lens sections of roughly the same shapes and proportions of a Duolamp (upper larger curved STOP section, lower eye-shaped running light) but dispenses with the chrome bezel over the lens, for a cleaner look.

The STOP text is still conforming to the round shape of the lamp, and is amber over red, with the lower lens area having a fresnel-type ribbing. It’s a very clean, attractive light, and I think the letterforms are charming.

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Cs Stop Dusenberg

The final one is on a 1929 Model J Dusenberg, though I have seen these taillights on Packards and a few other makes as well. I have very mixed feelings about these, because while I think they’re cool, they’re also very potentially confusing, as they look like headlights.

They have a red STOP light with stencil-like block letters cut into the main reflector, and illuminated with a bulb behind. There is also a red lens below shaped like a section of a mandarin orange and about the same size, but there also appears to be a large central clear/white bulb behind the lens ribbing.

So, does this light shine white light to the rear normally? I don’t think that’s a massive reverse lamp. I’ve somehow never seen one of these lamps actually in operation, so I’m still confused.

One day, I hope to understand!

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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
17 days ago

“Don’t STOP believin’
Hold on to that feelin’
STOPlights, people
Their shadows searchin’ in the night
TAILlights, people
Livin’ just to find emotion
Hidin’ somewhere in the night”

TriangleRAD
TriangleRAD
19 days ago

You were at the Heritage Invitational and didn’t make it across the street to hang out with us at RADwood? We had a Countach too, a white one. The one I saw over where they were holding the Invitational was red.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
19 days ago

I cannot think of a less Torch-like vehicle than the Cybertruck.

SonOfLP500
SonOfLP500
20 days ago

Ever since I was a little kid and saw this type of light in Ralph Stein’s The Great Cars, they have always struck me as pretty much illegible, unless you were so close you wouldn’t be able to stop in time if the car in front braked.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
20 days ago

I’m 99% sure that FMVSS108, along with most state vehicle codes, does indeed refer to these lights as “stop lamps”. If I’m wrong, someone will most assuredly correct me.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
20 days ago

Didja hit another deer? I’d be interested in a Bambi vs. Oddzilla tale.

Last edited 20 days ago by Canopysaurus
Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
18 days ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Pao! Right in the kisser!

Livernois
Livernois
20 days ago

I guess I could buy an argument that lamps with flames would be safer than no light at all as far as that Cadillac. But I sure would be nervous around gasoline with those.

I’m wondering if part of the thinking was that the owner would have staff on hand to handle refuelling and cleaning up any random splashes and spills.

Jeff Hager
Jeff Hager
20 days ago
Reply to  Livernois

It seems like I remember reading “no open lamps” on a gasoline pump once upon a time. It might have been a antique pump in a museum. I wonder if the pumps were referring to open acetylene lamps.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
20 days ago

Y’know Torch, most of already use the word “stop light” for a different crucial light.

Between you (perhaps, apparently) not knowing traffic signals exist, and that old article where you mentioned using turn signals only once you’ve begun turning, I’m not going to ask you for a ride in the Pao any time soon.

Or Some
Or Some
20 days ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

That and the deer incidents, plural.

It’s rumoured that anyone who wants to take a road trip with Jason is required to sign a waiver.

DONALD FOLEY
DONALD FOLEY
20 days ago

About that last light…ask the man who owns one.

DONALD FOLEY
DONALD FOLEY
19 days ago

Sorry, no. Obviously, your chance was last weekend when the owners were showing off their Dusenbergs and Packards.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
20 days ago

1. I don’t know why, but a lamp with STOP emblazoned on it seems much more urgent than just a red stop lamp. Like it’s screaming STAAAAAAAHP!!!

2. A critical element to the Cybertruck story must be the miles-to-middle-finger ratio Torch experienced.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
20 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Funny, just last week The Atlantic published a report by a journalist who drove a Cybertruck for one day and noted that they had been flipped off at least 17 times (yeah, not counting the times where they didn’t see the bird.)
From the opening paragraph:
“I had been flipped off at least 17 times, called a “motherfucker” (in both English and Spanish), and a “fucking dork.” A woman in a blue sweater stared at me, sighed, and said, “You should be ashamed of yourself.” All of this because I was driving a Tesla Cybertruck.”

Last edited 20 days ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
20 days ago

Hopefully, it will get much worse for cybertruck drivers very quickly.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
20 days ago

c’mon, man

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
20 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

I mean that with all possible sincerity.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
18 days ago

That’s interesting. But did their access to a SuperCharger get blocked and did anybody roll coal on their CT?

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
20 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I was at the demonstration in Rehoboth Beach, DE, on Saturday and yeah, the passing Cybertruck didn’t get a warm welcome.

Knowonelse
Knowonelse
20 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

At the HandsOff rally in our small town (which had a huge turnout) there were some kids standing on the hood of a Tesla holding signs. Spoiler, it was their parents vehicle.

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
19 days ago
Reply to  Knowonelse

Lots of people bought Teslas back when Elon had a PR team and followed their advice.

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
18 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

There was a time when buying a Tesla was a sensible thing.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
20 days ago

You looked at the design of the 1911 Caddy’s stoplight and saw Mickey Mouse, I looked at it and saw a pair of upturned butt cheeks.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
20 days ago

Sigh.

Can’t unsee. Take your upvote.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
20 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Sounds like my work here is done.

PlatinumZJ
PlatinumZJ
20 days ago

Now that you mention it, the outline does resemble one of those “Grandma bending over in the garden” decorations.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 days ago

Don’t forget the Camel toe…

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
20 days ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Of course someone with a username like yours would see that.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 days ago

Thanks! Needed that laugh today.

On another note, you should see the “rejected” user names I tried before settling on the Col name…

Last edited 20 days ago by Col Lingus
Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
18 days ago

I would be pretty surprised (and saddened) for a giant set of red letters staying STOP to suddenly come on in this imagined scenario.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
20 days ago

Stopstar: Never Stop Light Never Stop Lighting.
(Pardon the contrived pun on Andy Samberg’s 2016 mockumentary.)
When my parents married in the mid ’50s they had two used cars, a ’49 or ’50 Ford and a Plymouth of similar vintage but they found the Plymouth so unpleasant to drive they quickly traded it for a used oval-window VW Beetle (yeah, this was actually when oval-window Beetles were still being produced) which already had a STOP light, remarkably similar to the ones shown in today’s post, mounted on the rear decklid. My parents always commented about how ludicrously tiny the Beetle’s brake lights were whenever they reminisced about that car so they were glad for the ersatz CHMSL.
Alas, nobody took good pictures of the Beetle before my parents traded it in for a brand new ’60 Ford once their third baby was born so who knows whether it was a JC Whitney item or a re-used STOP light taken from an Auburn, a Packard, or even a Duesenberg, ha. After all, this was in Michigan so the latter scenario’s not utterly impossible though JC Whitney was headquartered right nearby in Chicago so the former scenario is lamentably more likely…
Ha, whenever my parents drove to the big city (Detroit) to visit family or go shopping they’d park their Beetle in the street and come back later to find people gathered around the car because they’d never seen a Beetle before.

Last edited 20 days ago by Collegiate Autodidact
Ash78
Ash78
20 days ago

Good ol’ Torch

Went down to Charlotte

We’re all here to find him out.

Drove the brick, now he’s charging slowly

Built by Musk, now they’re headed nowhere

–Ben Creases Five (there are no folds)

NC Miata NA
NC Miata NA
20 days ago

With all the blinker fluid jokes made over the years, imagine trying to get anyone to believe that your Cadillac needed a tail light oil refill.

Clark B
Clark B
20 days ago

Funny you mention that, I just bought one of those stop lights for my 72 Super Beetle. I thought of going the modern route for a third light, and just using strip LEDs. Then I said fuck it, I’ll go with a period solution. Still have to figure out how to mount it, and wire it since it needs to be wired to the brake light switch at the front of the car. Otherwise it’ll flash when the blinkers are on.

Tom Gordon
Tom Gordon
21 days ago

I can’t wait to hear the cybertruck story…

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
20 days ago
Reply to  Tom Gordon

My interest too, is piqued.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
20 days ago

Interest? In this economy?!

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
21 days ago

If you didn’t end your SSybertruck trip by sinking it in a swamp, you did it wrong.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
20 days ago

“Ah, but the FOURTH Cybertruck? The fourth Cybertruck stayed, and that’s what you’ll be inheriting, my boy!”

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
20 days ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

I’m just in it for the huge tracts of land.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 days ago

COTD here.

Data
Data
20 days ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

I’d rather just sing.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
20 days ago
Reply to  Data

We’ll have none of that here!

Dale Mitchell
Dale Mitchell
20 days ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

“what, the curtains?”

Last edited 20 days ago by Dale Mitchell
Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
20 days ago

I like SSybertruk! I’ve also seen (and used) Deploreian to describe these

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
20 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

It is a vast, fertile field of possibilities!

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
20 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

Yeah, anything that weakens the (obviously intended) connection to the DeLorean is good in my book.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
20 days ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

Yeah, no need to make any connections with the DeLorean especially since the DeLorean was actually a genuinely earnest and sincere effort whereas the Cybertruck is not as such by any measure whatsoever. So, yeah, SSybertruck is good. My go-to had been the IncEl Camino in light of the actual target demographics, lol.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
20 days ago

I’ve seen Incel Camino around and honestly it might be my favorite.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
20 days ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

Ooh, I like Deploreian. My brother is big on Wank Panzer but I prefer insult names that work the real name in somehow.

Gubbin
Gubbin
20 days ago

Wonder if Galpin got it as a trade-in on a more conventional Emotional Support Truck. I’ve managed to flip off 5 of the last 6 CTs I’ve seen over the past few weeks so I’ll be curious how they talk about the public reaction.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 days ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Where I live that can get you shot. By someone with little common sense, or self control.
That’s why I give em a thumbs up, then laugh sarcastically.
With my windows up.

Gubbin
Gubbin
20 days ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

ARs are just background noise where I live. I don’t worry about dorks in their heavily leveraged showoff-mobiles, especially since they’re driving the other way on 2-lane blacktop. Heck, these guys whine about “hate crimes”, they’re weak.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
20 days ago
Reply to  Gubbin

OK. Not worried. Just have seen this movie before.
I have seen too many shootings into vehicles to ignore that scenario. Not feeling any need for false bravado either.

The only time I even pay any attention is when one of them is in the next lane, same direction, or at a traffic light. BTW comment here refers to 90% of the other drivers I see on the road.

Tough neighborhoods are sort of a relative thing. Not sure what your point is about that though. Re: AR background noise.
In my area you can go from rural to 50K population in 10 minutes.
And the level of random gun shots in each area is pretty equal.
Both are pretty equal in relative danger when it comes to dipshits with guns and little self control…
YMMV

Last edited 20 days ago by Col Lingus
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